Post by: wesfager on April 02, 2004, 12:22:00 PM
The protesters will be protesting the hyprocrisy of the founding of the museum by Walter Loebenberg who is the former president of Straight Foundation; the appointment of former Straight board member Dr. Bruce Epstein as a director of the museum; and the prominent roles played by Straight founders Melvin and Betty Sembler in the Florida Holocaust Museum.
I am traveling and having connection problems to boot. "theStraights dot com" will cover the event early next week. Ginger Warbis will be covering the event on "fornits" in near real time as still photos are phoned in.
Thank you,
Wes Fager
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2004, 12:00:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2004, 01:12:00 AM
Post by: Antigen on April 03, 2004, 02:11:00 AM
I'll try to be up and dosed w/ coffee by 11. Otherwise, I'll start updating pictures somewhat later than that!
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Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2004, 03:45:00 AM
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Post by: Antigen on April 03, 2004, 11:26:00 AM
Anyone know these folks?
More: http://fornits.com/anonanon/images/MuseumProtest/ (http://fornits.com/anonanon/images/MuseumProtest/)
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Post by: Antigen on April 03, 2004, 11:34:00 AM
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Post by: Antigen on April 03, 2004, 11:52:00 AM
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Post by: Antigen on April 03, 2004, 11:59:00 AM
( Same banner they used for the Jan 17th protest http://thestraights.com/pickets/fl-holo ... maller.jpg (http://thestraights.com/pickets/fl-holo-011704/removebanner6smaller.jpg) )
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Post by: Antigen on April 03, 2004, 12:22:00 PM
This is the first (of many) protest at the museum location. The object is to blow the cover of those folks who, in the opinions of the protesters, are only pretending to be good, humanitarian pillars of the community by their affiliation w/ worthy organizations like the Holocaust Museum.
Any comments?
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Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2004, 12:40:00 PM
Post by: Froderik on April 03, 2004, 12:47:00 PM
PS - I think that Drugdolh Hitroll would have some interesting comments on this issue.
Post by: RTP2003 on April 03, 2004, 12:50:00 PM
Post by: Froderik on April 03, 2004, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on April 03, 2004, 12:54:00 PM
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In a text message sent w/ this photo, The protestors said:
That's the picket. We will be back to picket in the near future until these people are removed from the board.
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Post by: RTP2003 on April 03, 2004, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on April 03, 2004, 01:08:00 PM
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On 2004-04-03 09:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Is protesting at a holocaust museum akin to a pro-Nazi rally? Regardless of how you try to spin things, it would seem so. Heil Fager? Extremely poor choice for a protest location, spin or not."
No, I don't think it's inappropriate to protest any location or organization if there's a good reason to protest.
I know that the BOD of this particular Holocaust Museum have been provided ample documentation and numerous requests to remove Straight founders and former officers from their roles. They have ignored these requests. Apparently, the people who run the Florida Holocaust Museum don't have a problem w/ being represented by unrepentant child abusers. To my mind, they're not really such great humanitarians. They're just exploiting the Holocaust to make themselves seem like good people. I think that's something that needs to be exposed and examined.
I do have a problem, though, w/ referring to treatment at Straight as a holocaust. That's inaccurate. Most of us are still alive. If it had been a holocaust, most of us would be dead and only a few would be around to tell the tale.
I do think that, if the drug warriors have their way, a holocaust is very likely in the offing. They scapegoat a different class of people than the oldschool Nazis did. But totalism is totalism and there is no other possible outcome, except to end the war on people who engage in unauthorized euphoria.
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Post by: Antigen on April 03, 2004, 01:12:00 PM
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On 2004-04-03 09:50:00, RTP2003 wrote:
"I think a little more forethought should have gone into this. Although the protest in and of itself may not be a bad idea, carrying a sign that reads, in bold letters, "Stop Your Lies" in front of a Holocaust museum may cause a casual observer to think the protesters were revisionist Nazis trying to claim the Holocaust never happened. These things could be more effective if things like that were thought out in advance. When is Newton's deposition and is there a protest planned for it? "
I'm not sure that was an oversight. The idea is to get the media and passers by to ask questions. I think this should fill the bill.
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Post by: RTP2003 on April 03, 2004, 01:13:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on April 03, 2004, 01:25:00 PM
Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily dangerous. Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2004, 03:21:00 PM
Post by: Froderik on April 03, 2004, 03:24:00 PM
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Agreed. Any place is appropriate. However, there are a few things like the sign that need to be done to make it a more effective demonstration. Burning Miller Newton in effigy, a penis pump shaped homecoming-style float, and a bunch of people reenacting a bust ass rap complete with misbehavers being sat on are a few suggestions. Sales of Miller Newton dartboards and pistol targets could raise awareness and money at the same time. Perhaps a moment of silence followed by a reading of the list of names of Straight suicides over a bullhorn.
You've got some great ideas here, RTP! :rofl:
Post by: Opiod_Morphina on April 03, 2004, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on April 03, 2004, 04:30:00 PM
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... m=7&Sort=D (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=4869&forum=7&Sort=D)
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Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2004, 07:28:00 PM
Record the live music and sell the CD on Fornits, the Straights, etc. to benefit future events and
protests??
::drummer::
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2004, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2004, 09:33:00 AM
The previous ?ANON? post while sad does not reflect the truth. There are many out there that would attend an event like this. I would also point out that ?I DO? have life. A very fast paced and engaged life. And I still take time out to do what is right! I won?t stand idly by and pretend like Straight never happened. This protest was up close and personal to me. This is my hometown. And as long as our citizens are being deceived by Sembler and cronies, I will be there trying to tell the truth. This Protest is in the public interest and a public service.
Also I want to remind everyone that it takes time and money to do events like this. It?s very easy to second-guess and judge someone?s actions from the sidelines. I invite each one of you to make a difference in your part of our Country. What?s preventing you from protesting in your area? There is nothing stopping each and every one of you from doing something similar to what we did in St. Petersburg yesterday.
It?s time for individuals to rise up and take action!
Take care everyone?????..
VSP
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2004, 12:12:00 PM
Thanks guys, good job!!!!
:nworthy:
Post by: kaydeejaded on April 04, 2004, 01:55:00 PM
BUT.....for the million thousandth time. No one was saying that Straight was comparable to the holocaust in numbers of people killed.
But, how hypocritical is it to have running the holocaust museum a violater of civil rights?
Does it make it ok that he just did not violatet them on a scale as large as the holocaust?
Does this mean that say I will choose a person who is slightly wrong and slightly corrupt as opposed to a truly evil individual because the other is worse?
That is not a good reasoning.
The arguement is not rational.
I think that the holocaust is the absolute best place to show the total duplicity of the actions of his past and the persona he puts out there now.
If I was near Florida I would be there. Whatever your problem is anon I don't know. But if you think that everyone should stop defending their rights because of the holocaust then you are nuts.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2004, 05:20:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on April 04, 2004, 05:36:00 PM
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On 2004-04-04 14:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"dramatic enough to be caught by the media but can't be deemed inappropriate (like a big ol penis would be.)"
Holy shit! Sad, but true. ::noway::
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Post by: RTP2003 on April 04, 2004, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2004, 09:40:00 AM
Anyway just a thought.
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2004, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: Dr. MiIIer Newton on April 07, 2004, 11:55:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2004, 06:42:00 AM
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On 2004-04-07 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wow, maybe next time you can get more than four people at your gay ass protest. Keep trying, you fucking losers."
AWWWWWWWWWW, Somebody out there all worried that they might be losing their future inheritance??? That maybe some people they are close to in some way might be facing some serious prison time? Well here's a big fat FUCK YOU too. What other reason would you stick up for these monsters?? YOUR the real loser asshole.
Post by: Cayo Hueso on April 08, 2004, 07:38:00 AM
Hi guys. Went out to L.A. for a bit, it sucked!! Then came back and did a boat delivery, it was wonderful!! Glad to be home.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2004, 09:49:00 AM
Post by: Opiod_Morphina on April 08, 2004, 10:10:00 AM
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On 2004-04-03 09:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Is protesting at a holocaust museum akin to a pro-Nazi rally? Regardless of how you try to spin things, it would seem so. Heil Fager? Extremely poor choice for a protest location, spin or not."
My arent we redundant? See the last Holocaust protest thread where the same question was argued out for 10 pages...
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2004, 08:40:00 PM
You're probably one of Semblers kids or associates.
Sick fucking puppy, you pick on the victims and don't have a clue what when on,
We will win in the end
Sembler will be ruined and in jail
Cheers,
VSP