Post by: RTP2003 on March 28, 2004, 07:47:00 PM
Post by: Anomalous on March 28, 2004, 08:10:00 PM
Blah, blah, blah, junior-senior staff, blah, blah, blah...
...should kill themselves blah, blah...
Riiiight, I think we've all heard you loud and clear already. After all, you've been ranting and raving about it in several threads now. No matter what you say, they were victims too. If they are remorseful, and have moved on, realizing they were wrong, that?s all they can do. Putting expectations on them is unfair, and ridiculous. Not to mention arrogant and stupid. Especially your expectations.
You're really irrational. Weren't you a misbehavior?
Be careful of your thoughts for your thoughts become your words. Be careful of your words for your words become your actions. Be careful of your actions for your actions become your habits. Be careful of your habits for your habits become your character. Be careful of your character for your character becomes your destiny.
Post by: The Butcher on March 28, 2004, 08:13:00 PM
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You're really irrational. Weren't you a misbehavior? (sic)
HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! ::stab::
Post by: The Butcher on March 28, 2004, 08:17:00 PM
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No matter what you say, they were victims too
And they will be victims AGAIN. And there's nothing that you or anyone can do to change that. They will get theirs. It's only a matter of time...
Post by: Anomalous on March 28, 2004, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: RTP2003 on March 28, 2004, 08:28:00 PM
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On 2004-03-28 17:10:00, Anomalous wrote:
"Do you think by repeating the same thing over, and over, and over again, SOMETIMES USING "CAPS" WHICH MEANS, "YELLING!!" is going to make anyone agree with you that doesn't?
No, I'm trying to emphasize a point that apparently idiots like you have been overlooking.
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No matter what you say, they were victims too. If they are remorseful, and have moved on, realizing they were wrong, that?s all they can do. Putting expectations on them is unfair, and ridiculous.No, that's not ALL they can do. They can work to right the wrongs they committed by being on Staff. Richard Bradbury has done this. Reagon Youth has done this, too. If you don't think that being on Staff IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM (yes, I'm yelling, you lily-livered sob sister) was ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING in the abuse that was Straight, Inc., then your head is so far up your ass that no amount of laxative will remove it.
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Not to mention arrogant and stupid. Especially your expectations.
Not really. They expected me to curl up and die when I "copped out" from Straight, so now I merely expect them to do the same if they have "copped out" on owning up to their actions and making some form of restitution for it.
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You're really irrational. Weren't you a misbehavior?
Damn right I was. Then I complied long enough to get the fuck out. The Staff members could have done the same. I left with nowhere to go, but I knew anything had to be better than being in Straight for another minute. So don't hand me your sorry ass excuses for them going on Staff. They chose to do it, and they were paid for it.
And if you've heard me loud and clear, why are you still alive, Staffer?
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Post by: Froderik on March 28, 2004, 08:35:00 PM
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You're really irrational. Weren't you a misbehavior?
To label misbehavers "irrational" is the most asinine thing I've ever heard here. Everyone dealt in their own way. Anomalous, WTF is the matter with you that you would say that? You sound like a staff member trying to belittle someone for "acting out." I can't say I think too much of you, whoever you are. And no, I wasn't a misbehaver during my program. I 7-stepped.
Post by: RTP2003 on March 28, 2004, 08:41:00 PM
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On 2004-03-28 17:27:00, Anomalous wrote:
"Most of the people who fought the program only got it worse. We learned that every day, from day 1. Those time-out rooms were built close, with no ceilings, for a reason. Working was the only way out. Even if you spent your entire program knowing what was happening was wrong. "
Coward--then and now.
Hey Carmel, were you on Staff? That would explain a lot.
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Post by: Antigen on March 28, 2004, 09:03:00 PM
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On 2004-03-28 16:47:00, RTP2003 wrote:
THE JUNIOR AND SENIOR STAFF WERE JUST AS RESPONSIBLE AS THE EXECUTIVE STAFF FOR MAKING STRAIGHT INC. A LIVING HELL.
Yup, so were those damned fifth phasers. God! But I hated those damned fifth phasers. And some of the foster parents were pretty sadistic too. Off with all their heads? Ok, but we're not done yet, nowhere near! How about all those teachers and neighbors? What about the cops who would arrest us and take us right back instead of help us? What about those vindictive, power hungry parent corps people who work tirelessly to convince parents that their kids will surely die? I can think of a choice few who litterally deserve it.
So many assholes, so little rope. That's one problem.
The other problem is that they really don't know they're evil. That's no excuse; never was. But it is a problem. And I propose a solution.
The Program can't work w/o all those no talking _____ rules. It just can't. That's why every last one, no matter the bunking arrangements, religious bent or lack of it, AA dogma or not, juvenile or adult, every last one discourages people saying what they think.
The whole time I was in there, I fantasized about dragging these lunatics out into the more commonly accepted reality to have this conversation.
Look around at some of the threads w/ pro-program posters. Given enough lattitude to do so, they always show their asses. It only seemed like everyone agreed w/ them when they had the power to punish us for letting on that we didn't. That's what was so damned crazy-making. I don't think program appologists would even be allowed to walk unsuporvised on the street if everybody knew how fully nuts their thinking really is. So don't worry about pro-program people saying too much. Encourage them to speak their whole minds. It can only help our cause if they do.
But I don't think Jennifer is a Program appologist. I think she's got a story to tell. You'll just have to wait and see where she stands.
But I know some ppl get thoroughly brainwashed over the long term because I have a brother like that. Went in when he was 14, checked out of reality shortly thereafter and hasn't checked back for messages since.
Here's a sample:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=10#2485 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=402&forum=8&start=10#2485)
Now I ask you, who is doing more to expose the Program for what it is then it's most dedicated adherants?
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To let them off the hook by allowing them to claim they were victims is a load of shit.
Allowing them??? Just what do you propose to do to stop anybody saying anything? Just don't sweat it.
Save our planet; it's the only one with chocolate!
--Andi, domestic goddess
Post by: RTP2003 on March 28, 2004, 09:17:00 PM
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Allowing them??? Just what do you propose to do to stop anybody saying anything? Just don't sweat it.
Maybe I should have expressed that more clearly. I meant that we should not swallow and accept that particular line of bullshit. As to where we draw the line, if you were involved in the program in a position of authority, and accepted compensation for your participation, you are guilty.
Post by: Antigen on March 28, 2004, 09:22:00 PM
But that's not what I'm talking about. Guilty or innocent, everybody who was there was also a wittness. If you want the story out, and that has always been my objective, then it takes a thousand voices.
You know, if Mama Cass Elliot would have shared that damn sandwich
with Karen Carpenter, they would both still be alive today!!!!!!!
--chongo
Post by: RTP2003 on March 28, 2004, 09:26:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on March 28, 2004, 09:28:00 PM
They used to burn witches. Today we laugh at them. Today we jail people for marijuana. Tomorrow they'll laugh at us.
--Robert "Rosie" Rowbotham
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2004, 10:12:00 PM
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Post by: Carmel on March 28, 2004, 10:21:00 PM
Not an "apologist" either. Dont think anything was right about what Staff did. If I remember correctly, I was shit on by staff too.
I just dont think its necessary to wish violence and death and hate on people, no matter who or what they are/were. I think that would make me just as bad as them. I believe there is a better way....why does that make me "pro-staff"? We ALL were made to hurt and abuse people RTP....to different degrees, yes...but we all participated at one point or another.
RTP...I just dont have the same intensity of anger as you do at this point...I may never, but it doesnt mean we arent coming from the same place. My point of view doesnt make me your enemy....I just have a different way of dealing with where I am currently.
I wasnt trying to manipulate you with your grief either....it only just seems to me that there has just got to be more to it than so many extremes you know? If you slow down and think about the possibilities....there is a bigger picture.
Just because I dont feel right about hurling insults and advocating death to these people doesnt mean I think that what they did was any less wrong than you do, okay?
Post by: The Butcher on March 28, 2004, 10:29:00 PM
Post by: RTP2003 on March 28, 2004, 10:43:00 PM
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I do.
I just dont think its necessary to wish violence and death and hate on people, no matter who or what they are/were.
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I think that would make me just as bad as them.Don't worry--nothing you could do would make you as bad as them--It's OK to hate them, Carmel!
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I believe there is a better waySo do I--check out Drugdolph's thread
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We ALL were made to hurt and abuse people RTP....to different degrees, yes...but we all participated at one point or another.
Some of us may have confronted or even restrained others--but Staff was paid to do so, and they were free to leave at any time. They're guilty no matter how you try to paintit, Carmel. Take off the "rose colored glasses" and maybe you will realize that no one forced them to be on Staff. They signed up for PT, then they accepted the job offered to them. After that, they were financially compensated for their role in perpetuating the systematic pattern of abuse that went on every day at Straight, Inc.
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RTP...I just dont have the same intensity of anger as you do at this point...I may never, but it doesnt mean we arent coming from the same place.Give it a try, maybe you will. If you are "searching and fearless" enough, I think you will find that my hate for those creeps is not some deviate abberation--it's a healthy, sane reaction to what they did.
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My point of view doesnt make me your enemy....I just have a different way of dealing with where I am currently.No, it just makes you seem like somebody that can be tortured, humiliated, and abused without having the self-respect to want those responsible to suffer. A little less than human, I'm sorry to say. Get over your fears and maybe you will see the truth in what I am saying.
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I wasnt trying to manipulate you with your grief either....it only just seems to me that there has just got to be more to it than so many extremes you know? If you slow down and think about the possibilities....there is a bigger picture.Sure seems like it to me, Carmel. Just how long are we supposed to wait? And I agree, we need to look at the bigger picture--the one that includes the abuses these assholes are guilty of, not just their crocodile tear-filled complaints of "I'm a victim, too..."
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Just because I dont feel right about hurling insults and advocating death to these people doesnt mean I think that what they did was any less wrong than you do, okay? "And just because I do feel like hurling insults and advocating death for these people doesn't make me any less of a victim of their crimes,OK?
Post by: The Butcher on March 28, 2004, 11:15:00 PM
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Post by: animals all of us on March 29, 2004, 02:36:00 AM
My mother, Mary Anne Ford/Disheroon, never had the time to watch her kids. Alot of her years before giving birth were years were spent with people she didn't know where her father dropped her off and kidnapped her from her mother - his divorced wife of many years. Her three older brothers were very hateful and shady towards her.
When her teenager, male children began to shut her out and establish their own identities and hate their parent(s), she flipped out by way of bitter speech, physical assaults, and neglect.
Add this onto her never having gotten extended or helpful counseling for her three miscarriages mixed in with a total of four children, two per marriage, and two divorces. She spent three years in a Tech/Vocational school for Nursing w/ license, so she didn't really get any example of world studies integral to becoming more tolerant of oneself and the world; Humanities, Government, Maths, etc. Put this on top of running a county hospital terminal floor where all you do all day is get to watch people stew in their depression at the inevitable.
And then, forget about it, we came to Florida. 'Nuff said. Father was paying unadjusted child support, she started working at another hospital here in Florida at around; $8, 9, tops 10 bucks per ?!? Raising four children ?!?
She had no time to supervise, aid w/ homework beyond 'Did you do your homework ?', and generally befriend her children outside of being mentally and physically whooped after a shitty day's work, only to come home and go through her embittered ritual of having to live with her mirroring children and then off to a lonely bed.
Back in the very young days my brother and I got in trouble, and used to get our asses kicked sometimes from the sissy older kids who were trying to make some kinda impression in our neighborhood back in Texas. And shit rolls down hill you know; my poor sisters. And those same kids that used to influence us younger kids weren't being supervised by their 'middle class' employed parents either. My brother wound up in state juvee center for all their unbridled breaking and entering, a feat that was more than fully brought on by the influence of those older children. My brother never sold me out. By the time he got out of Tx. juvee, my mom was divorced from her second husband, and was off to Florida, leaving me with my real father who had been in and out of our lives with his myriad of relationships with women since I was a baby.
My mother's reason when she stopped through Tyler, Tx. on her way out to Florida was; 'There is nothing here for me'.
Fuck you Mary Anne, I am just waiting for you to die so I can piss on your grave.
Wouldn't you know that as a baby I began to identify with my mother inasmuch as my older brother identified with my father. So, where my brother found in himself anger, independence, and fight; I identified with my mother who I recognized first in learning to feel her feelings of jealousy, fear, and pure insecurity.
My father was the only child of his parents. Just after high school my father signed on for the next fifteen years in the Navy. Later, he met my mother in or around Maryland and they moved down to Texas.
My father says 'they' together chose a divorce because 'they didn't have anything left to say to one another'. My mother, being the emotional rollercoaster, would say, 'Your father has a black heart', and, 'He just left one day'. Years later I discovered from my mother that he took off to North Carolina. Neither he, nor she chooses to broach the subject of their ending of their marriage, and for what ideals they will not say either. I have my own secret reasons why I imagine my father left my mother and why my mother can't speak about her relationship-stifling emotions, and they still choose to take those realities to their graves. She says she did not try to stop him.
My brother used to take advantage of my insecurities developed from identifying with my materner. But he sometimes managed to keep me out of harm's way as well. Some day he and I will be fast friends and I will kick his ass for beating up his best friend, and just for being a great and seriously cool cat.
My brother gets out of juvee and comes to Florida. He's been inside for about a year or two, give or take, and as a teenager he wants to experience life again. He probably got into what you would call the 'wrong crowd'. Skipping school, dark clothing, drugs, crime, general rebellion as want; once out of juvee.
I came around to Florida for a summer vacation and then I decided to stay. Both my dad and step-mom said that my choice here was a big mistake.
I'm locked in depression in Tyler, I am unsupervised, I am already reaping the whole; 'Did you do your homework' w/o any inkling to delve into my troubles in school or psyche. Father and stepmother were busy making money, I am not complaining about money making, and making it for their two new children; my halfbrother and halfsister. Once, at the dinner table, my Tyler folks told me they were considering sending me to my stepmother's brother's, Danny, home to live. They said something in the way that I wasn't acting right. I don't fully remember the particulars of the conversation and I am certain they will deny it, but I distinctly remember feeling betrayed. For at least five hours a day I was left unsupervised, after school, in that house. Children picked on and harassed me horribly for being silent on the bus in Tyler.
Could moving to Florida have been worse ? So many thousands of parents left their children in "Pay and Dump" facilities so they could work and not have to deal with child rearing (Dr. ). There are children all over our world who literally are left on the streets as babies w/ no parents whatsoever. These infants grow to live in the streets and the sound that comes from their mouths is identical to the sounds of starving canines and feral beasts.
My folks in Tx. say, 'We tried to phone you a couple of times to see how you were doing and they wouldn't let us speak to you'. This is their guiltless explanation for dropping the ball. I can't properly formulate the equation of their movements, but child support and avoided court issues come to mind about the actions of my parents when it came to child rearing. My brother, after copping out of Straight Incorporated, went to Tx where my father and stepmother got him some more well wishful counseling. Yet psychological and animalistic behavior still ensued. They had no idea or perhaps could not have asked the right questions to such an amount of innocent and damaged goods, for they had passed him off just like me many years before.
However, I was safely tucked harmlessly away in Straight. Under supervision in Straight, I was allowed to call my father a coupla times and tell him that everything was good and that I was 'finally getting help for my drug problem'. I am trying to keep my opinions out of this historical and assume that my reader is sentient; if you haven't already - please note that drugs is not and never has been a factor in my life.
So, when I come to Florida my brother becomes my major influence once again for lack of supervision. We skip school, we hang out w/ some of his friends. I start to dress in dark clothing and I do things recklessly and wear my haird black like Lord Byron the Romantic hero. My g/f inspires me with greats like 'the Cure', and 'the Smiths'.
One day I come home from school and my mother goes crazy throwing things, and my brother is gone. Mother and I had been arguing for some time these last few days. She says my brother has gone to get some help. She tricks me into skipping school saying that we are going to have a picnic. Two days short of two months in Charter Hospital my mother finally gathers enough money to inaugurate my three year sobatical in Straight Incorporated.
I endure restraining, loss of all identity, pure and total breakdown, loss of all and any potential properties for three years, spit therapy, brainwashing through constant berating of personal and private habits up to whole fault of family issues being blamed on me down to use of bathroom 'privileges', other cult type iconistic reprogramming such as confrotation of nonexistent sexuality, confrotation from myself to other children over things that were quite normal quarks and accidents such as speaking out of turn. I make it through the total annhiliation of my whole being and worlds of education and lack of schooling for three years. I endure my mother's constant whining about my length of my stay. She couldn't understand why I couldn't grasp the steps (Step 1: Admitted we were powerless over alcohol and drugs, that our lives had become unmanageable.) and the program, and she couldn't know that I was not receiving any counseling for her reasoning as to why I was there or w/e: I was becoming like my brother.
For reasons that were taboo to speak about, I was not allowed to speak about anything that might have aided my incarceration or attempt at some mental stability or stability in my life at all. No. Whenever any patient mentioned that he or she, or I, was in there to get help b/c they had issues with their family...that child would be spit on or yelled at or berated with the most horrid insults about why we were the only persons at fault. And we were coerced into doing this as if our lives depended on it, we were manipulated and made to fear physical threats, beatings, food rationing, if we did not do what we were told to do just like we were ALL told we had to mistreat others this way in total therapeutic anonymity. Everyone was made to believe that this cult was the life and heartbeat of their very existence, our sole means for survival - and these words and similar were yelled to us by one another in pure therapeutic anonymity, that gratitude was the key to our graduation.
Of course, to add to this inescapable unbreakable chain my life had thus far proved to be, I graduated. I have said in earlier posts what a farce this was. There were a couple other kids in front of me who more than ready to graduate. I used to "motivate" (a form of violent movement of the arms) to get called on in the upper level phase "raps" (a group therapy session). Staff members constantly would ask me why I was there, or why I even bothered motivating. Nevertheless after being there for the last three years they found no choice but to work me more and graduate me even though I never believed I was an addict. My poor dumb mother made herself nearly monetarily bankrupt in some haze that she thought that my work, my suffered abuse, would bring to her a family not already cauterized by more than just her unsympathetic appetites. During her time of three years of keeping me incarcerated my mother lived with other people. In fact, the home I lived at in short bursts (Straight was constantly setting their patients back on levels so to keep the money rolling in) with my mother was the property of another Straight family living there. What a madhouse that was.
I get out of Straight @ eighteen and within a couple of weeks I am suicidal. I am fighting with my mother as if I had never been in Straight at all. I skip school and quit my new job because I am too depressed. I go to live with my father and stepmother. I am happy for cos I get a license and a G.E.D. I drop out of junior college because I am too nervous around others. I quit several jobs because I am too depressed. I start to confront everything and everyone around me as if they were all patients, at least they were to me since this is what I had been doing every single day out of the last three years in Straight. By this time I am a fully starving dog even when fed. I growl at everything and everything is fearful and wrong. My father gives me a car and I don't even know how to show happiness. I yell at my friends constantly and they disown me after a short period of time. I get in trouble with the law for assaulting others and destroying property. I have very reckless relationships with people just the same as we were required to do in Straight Inc.
Six months to a year later my mother takes me back in down here in Florida. Straight is now on its last few months of still being open and all the old rules of restraining and 'In Your Face Spit Therapy' are gone thanks to Children and Families (Human Resources) in Florida. I try to get a job there on staff. My application is denied. I return to the old building and ask why I am being denied. Where they were hiring, I am now met with opposition by old friends saying they were never hiring.
And now the present day here I am trying to reconcile the theft that was purely exacted to me throughout my life and in those three years. I am working at it, but its hard for me to be moralistic and forgive and forget that shit. I look at my halfbrother and halfsister, and even my other two sisters who lived with me here in Florida while I was going through Straight Incorporated, and realize that most of what I was experiencing - they will never have to experience. They will never have any remotely similar relationship to my real mother and father that I have unless subtractrions (subtract three years of paid assault at Straight Inc.) are made.
So my motives for wanting to be a staff member there are because that is the place I identified with for several years, much the same that a rape victim identifies with his/her rapist. In the case of brainwashing and cultthink I can definitively say that it has taken three times as many years to have memory recall where I can remember anything that happened in Straight Incorporated. I was not going to go to school anytime soon, I couldn't find a job I liked cos I had already worked at every fast food restaurant available practically.
I would not want to be a staff member now even though sometimes I secretly wish I were still in Straight today. At least I wouldn't have to face the neglect of my prideful parents. I wouldn't have to face that world. I can't say that anything from Straight Incorporated has helped me now except to believe my own lies better.
If I were a staff member I would be teaching others how to live in a very unhealthy coccoon before and many years after their graduation.
So the issue is not whether I approve of staff members or not. Not until the last year have I realized the fuller extent of what was done to me in Straight Inc. and throughout much of my prior life.
Blaming prior cult members might not be an issue unless they are still in denial about the type of illegal therapy they are using and what it has made them and what it really does to others and society.
Would you blame someone weakened by family life and then cult thinking if they were suckered and resuckered into deeper folds of the already accustomed lies and false ruling thought and programs ???
Then again, some people don't have the parent's that I have.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2004, 11:35:00 AM
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The way I view it is this way. If a staff member was cool with me than I give them full credit for that. If a staff member was a flaming asshole than give them unshirted Hell for it. My philosophy has always been and still is that if you are cool with me than I will be cool with you and if you are uncool with me than I`ll 1,000 times uncooler with you. What`s right is right.
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Post by: Antigen on March 29, 2004, 05:34:00 PM
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On 2004-03-28 19:43:00, RTP2003 wrote:
no one forced them to be on Staff. They signed up for PT, then they accepted the job offered to them. After that, they were financially compensated for their role in perpetuating the systematic pattern of abuse that went on every day at Straight, Inc.
Some people got off on the Program, no doubt. Check out Good Ol'e Charles Pendergrass. To this day he seems to be just the same old sanctimonious asshole I remember. He was on Sr. staff and worked at at least three different locations.
But I didn't have any real choice about going on PT. They offered it to me. What the fuck was I going to do, say no and then try and wiggle out of the questions about why I wouldn't want the "honor" of going on staff? Fuck no! I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night! I said I'd be thrilled to be on staff and hoped I was doing a good enough job at hiding my despair over this new roadblock between me and the door.
Power concedes nothing without a demand. The limit of oppression is determined by the extent of the endurance of the oppressed.
--Frederick Douglas
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Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2004, 02:42:00 AM
While you moan about your tormenters and flounder back and forth about who is right and who is wrong, who is good and evil this shit is happening all over the place. So rage and rant , vent, whine and spew your hate all you want. If you just took a fraction of that energy and put it toward doing something constructive, maybe you wouldn't sound like you are still blasting the people you never got to confront and you wouldn't sound like a twelve year old boy who got picked on and wants his revenge, what 20 years later?
And maybe if you invested your energy into something constructive you could help to prevent some other kid from going through what we all experienced, and maybe some desperate parent who stumbles accross this site might think twice about placing their kid in a place like Straight, but how could they ever take this forum seriously and view the bits and pieces of truth as anything substantial if huge blocks of space are filled with this trash.
Some staff were mean and I can't figure out why you choose to mimic them day in and day out.
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especially with the antics of Froderik13,Fucktard and Dr. Newton personalities of Alex......
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Post by: Carmel on March 30, 2004, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: RTP2003 on March 30, 2004, 03:24:00 PM
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On 2004-03-30 12:12:00, Carmel wrote:
"For the record...I dont post anonymously guys. Sorry, but if I wanted to say something rudely....I wouldnt bother to say it nicely first under my own name. Anything I have to say, I will say using my own name.....it promotes integrity. "
I believe her. She's wrong most of the time, but at least she has the courage to stand behind some of her ridiculous notions. More than I'll say for some of the other "staff-enablers" around here.
Post by: Opiod_Morphina on March 30, 2004, 05:38:00 PM
You see, Staff made me really really hate myself
and I never could get over it...Beforew that it was my Mother (who made the perfect Nazi recruiter for straight and eventually deemed it necc to split our family up over it...not that my family was worth a shit anyway) and yes I hate her too..
When JLoar first made her apologies I backed her...yet for the life of me could not remember her hardly at all...
Then I started to talk to someone that was there with us and it started to come back..a certain OMR that lasted 2 hours the focus on me...being confronted for a medical problem that had nothing to do with behavior or drugs..
Then I remembered her .... and some things I cannot forgive..
That 2 hours humiliated me to the point that I never really got over ( along with many many other group humiliations) and unfortunately after straight etc..I no longer had a family and hated myself..
And you wanted to just say sorry??? Straight left me with nothing ...
"Im sorry"
You are more than sorry..you are a pathetic bitch that lives in fear...you are evil..
and every day I pray that god brings suffering upon you..I hope that your endeavors are a failure...
I just want you to get what you deserve...
And you Mr Loar... COngrats you raised a fucking monster...you sir are a failure as a parent
Post by: Froderik on March 30, 2004, 09:47:00 PM
Nobody? RTP2003? Reagan Youth? animals all of us? Anonymous? Drugdolph Hitroll? toddbrown? jenloar?
Post by: RTP2003 on March 30, 2004, 10:31:00 PM
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On 2004-03-30 18:47:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"Wow. Not one follow up to this one? Hard to believe. :eek:
Nobody? RTP2003? Reagan Youth? animals all of us? Anonymous? Drugdolph Hitroll? toddbrown? jenloar? "
I think it speaks eloquently (that means it's an effective use of language, Morli) all by itself. Makes the point pretty well.
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2004, 10:53:00 PM
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On 2004-03-29 23:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"All this worthless bitching is a waste of time.
While you moan about your tormenters and flounder back and forth about who is right and who is wrong, who is good and evil this shit is happening all over the place. So rage and rant , vent, whine and spew your hate all you want. If you just took a fraction of that energy and put it toward doing something constructive, maybe you wouldn't sound like you are still blasting the people you never got to confront and you wouldn't sound like a twelve year old boy who got picked on and wants his revenge, what 20 years later?
And maybe if you invested your energy into something constructive you could help to prevent some other kid from going through what we all experienced, and maybe some desperate parent who stumbles accross this site might think twice about placing their kid in a place like Straight, but how could they ever take this forum seriously and view the bits and pieces of truth as anything substantial if huge blocks of space are filled with this trash.
Some staff were mean and I can't figure out why you choose to mimic them day in and day out. "
Wow. All things that have been running through my head for a long time about this place.
Post by: Froderik on March 30, 2004, 11:43:00 PM
Drugdolph? Do you have any comments? :lol:
Anybody with a NAME???
Post by: RTP2003 on March 30, 2004, 11:57:00 PM
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On 2004-03-30 20:43:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"Uh,,,yeah. Whatever...
Drugdolph? Do you have any comments? :lol:
Anybody with a NAME???"
Goddamn it! Won't these idiots come up with something worth responding to? And doing it anon, well,hell, I ain't even gonna bring that up. Give me a minute--gotta smoke a cigarette. I'll be back--god damn, but these idiots annoy me. Anybody else want to shoot this moron down?
Post by: RTP2003 on March 31, 2004, 12:39:00 AM
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On 2004-03-29 23:42:00, Anonymous wrote:I don't think so--even if it were, it's my time, so why should you care? First off, it gives me a chance to vent the anger I feel from being in Straight. You wouldn't want me "pushing my feelings down" would you? Second, it lets those ex-Staff members who either put on their victim costumes or who don't think the program was "that bad" to know how I feel about them and their lack of remorse in no uncertain terms. Call me selfish, but I like expressing my opinion on this subject. Also, if it's such a waste of time, why do you bother to call attention to this thread by responding? Feeding the fire if you ask me.
"All this worthless bitching is a waste of time.
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While you moan about your tormenters and flounder back and forth about who is right and who is wrong, who is good and evil this shit is happening all over the place.
You're right--Straightlike programs still exist all over the USA and in foreign countries,too. If I were to delete every post I have made on this subject, it wouldn't bring those programs one minute closer to closing time. On the contrary, maybe something I say will jar the memory of some ex-Staff. This has already happened at least once--the ex-Staffer, who shall remain nameless in this post, "ammended" (sic) his previous denial that he abused anyone and changed it to "I'm not sure...I don't remember...if I did, I'm sorry." See? The healing is beginning! It just took some confrontation. Didn't you learn anything at Straight?
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So rage and rant , vent, whine and spew your hate all you want.Thank you for your permission. I think I will.
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If you just took a fraction of that energy and put it toward doing something constructive, maybe you wouldn't sound like you are still blasting the people you never got to confront and you wouldn't sound like a twelve year old boy who got picked on and wants his revenge, what 20 years later?So what if I AM blasting the people I never got a chance to confront? I waited twenty years to tell some of these assholes to fuck off, and if they see these posts, then it was worth writing them. Again, it's my time--if you don't like it, don't read it. I don't see anything wrong with revenge, personally, whether it's for something that happened twenty years ago or twenty minutes ago. Cayohueso covered this point pretty well under the "Jeff Leugers Fan Club" thread. Read it if you give a damn.
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And maybe if you invested your energy into something constructive you could help to prevent some other kid from going through what we all experienced, and maybe some desperate parent who stumbles accross this site might think twice about placing their kid in a place like Straight, but how could they ever take this forum seriously and view the bits and pieces of truth as anything substantial if huge blocks of space are filled with this trash.If I were a parent, and I came across an RTP2003 post about Straight, or hell ,even a Fucktard or whoever post, I damn sure would not want to chance my kids coming out of a place like Straight one tenth as fucked up they are. I'm the first to admit that STRAIGHT INC. FUCKED ME UP DAMN GOOD. If you have any brains at all, you would be able to see that this kind of anger, hatred, and disgust doesn't just pop out of nowhere. If my posts can give an ignorant ex-Staffer cause to think twice, I think they can also serve as an indicator to a concerned parent that the place they're thinking about sending little druggie Johnny might not be what it's advertised as.
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Some staff were mean and I can't figure out why you choose to mimic them day in and day out. "No need to get insulting, Anon. I have to take exception--drawing a parallel between my posts, no matter how heinous you may find the subject matter or the suggestions I make,and the systematic pattern of abuse that Staff dished out, day in and day out, is to make light of the abuses they perpetrated, and is an insult to me or any other survivor of the "treatment" and "therapy" we received at Straight, Inc. Now please walk off a cliff.
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Post by: kaydeejaded on March 31, 2004, 10:47:00 AM
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On 2004-03-28 17:27:00, Anomalous wrote:
"Most of the people who fought the program only got it worse. We learned that every day, from day 1. Those time-out rooms were built close, with no ceilings, for a reason. Working was the only way out. Even if you spent your entire program knowing what was happening was wrong. "
That is the most idiotic reasoning behind going along with the program that I have ever heard.
Do you "go along" with everything just to make it easier on yourself? I was a misbehavior and it wasn't easy, but it was a lot easier then kissing staffs ass and going along with that bullshit program that I never believed in.
I don't care if something is harder, thank God a lot of other people don't either or nothing would ever change in this world. If everyone just went along with the status quo no injustice would ever be changed.
If everyone was like you they would just give up and give in to the biggest bully to make it easy on themselves.
Thats pathetic, it is reasoning like that, that makes me sick.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
-- Albert Einstein
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2004, 01:42:00 PM
Post by: RTP2003 on March 31, 2004, 01:44:00 PM
Anomalous, you could have complied long enough to reach 2nd phase and then copped out. I did, and I did it without hurting anyone else. When a goon squad of Straight parents and a private detective came for me in the middle of the night, I was sent back to Straight, misbehaved for a while (had to get my kicks, you see) and then complied again long enough to get to 4th phase and leave from school. Again, I did this without harming anyone else. I have no sympathy for those that choose to call themselves victims when they are really abusers who now try to justify it by saying "I was brainwashed" or "It was self-preservation." Bullshit. I left Straight with nowhere to go, but I knew anything had to be better than that place. You could have chosen to do the same. Calling yourself a victim does not remove your complicity. There are quite a few ex-Staff who now work very hard to expose Straightlike programs for what they are and to help hold those that ran them accountable. For an ex-Staffer to claim victim status without currently working against these programs is an insult to the many ex-Staff who are fighting the good fight.
Post by: KIDSofEP on March 31, 2004, 01:52:00 PM
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On 2004-03-31 10:44:00, RTP2003 wrote:
There are quite a few ex-Staff who now work very hard to expose Straightlike programs for what they are and to help hold those that ran them accountable. For an ex-Staffer to claim victim status without currently working against these programs is an insult to the many ex-Staff who are fighting the good fight. "
I'll second that, RTP2003!! Thanks for the recognition. Coercive conditioning was no different for a higher phaser regarding joining the ranks of staff than it was for a newcomer in the program to initiate program participation.
webmaster@kidsofelpaso.com
AND ex-staff KIDS of El Paso 1986-1989
Post by: KIDSofEP on March 31, 2004, 02:02:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2004, 09:50:00 PM
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On 2004-03-31 11:02:00, KIDSofEP wrote:
Today we laugh at the shit over beers.
Laugh it up and swill down the brewskis while you can, Druggie Boy! Soon you and your druggie buddies will be sitting on the front row of the new, improved, all-ages Straight, Inc. v2.0! Love ya! Have a seat.
Post by: Dr. Miller Newton on March 31, 2004, 09:52:00 PM
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On 2004-03-31 11:02:00, KIDSofEP wrote:
Today we laugh at the shit over beers.
Laugh it up and swill down the brewskis while you can, Druggie Boy! Soon you and your druggie buddies will be sitting on the front row of the new, improved, all-ages Straight, Inc. v2.0! Love ya! Have a seat."
That was me--forgot to sign in--Ruthie's been looking at bondage porn again and changed the settings on our computer. Goddamn technology.
Post by: Antigen on March 31, 2004, 10:36:00 PM
She, maybe both of them, were still a little bit into the kool-aid, I think. They were OK w/ me living there, working, trying to get into school, even though my mom was accusing them of trying to kill me (by helping me avoid the life-saving treatment at Straight) But when I started spending some of my money and spare time out going to movies at night w/ young men and not explaining my plans (didn't have any) or divulging details of any romantic encounters, they freaked the hell out and decided that the good and right thing to do would be to kick me out rather than enable this druggie behavior.
People are complex. Most of the time, we don't even fully understand our own motivations, far less anyone else's.
That which does not kill you can make you stronger, but I really never needed to be this strong.
Scott Wagner