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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 12, 2004, 03:47:00 AM
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They?re trying to build a prison
They?re trying to build a prison
Following the rights movement
You clamped on with your iron fists
Drugs became conveniently
Available for all the kids
Following the rights movement
You clamped on with your iron fists
Drugs became conveniently
Available for all the kids
I buy my crack, I smack my bitch
Right here in hollywood
(nearly 2 million americans are
Incarcerated in the prison system
Prison system of the us)
They?re trying to build a prison
They?re trying to build a prison
They?re trying to build a prison
(for you and me to live in)
Another prison system
Another prison system
Another prison system
(for you and me to live in)
Minor drug offenders fill your prisons
You don?t even flinch
All our taxes paying for your wars
Against the new non-rich
Minor drug offenders fill your prisons
You don?t even flinch
All our taxes paying for your wars
Against the new non-rich
I buy my crack, I smack my bitch
Right here in hollywood
The percentage of americans in the prison system
Prison system, has doubled since 1985
They?re trying to build a prison
They?re trying to build a prison
They?re trying to build a prison
(for you and me to live in)
Another prison system
Another prison system
Another prison system
For you and i, for you and i, for you and i.
They?re trying to build a prison
They?re trying to build a prison
They?re trying to build a prison
For you and me
Oh baby, you and me.
All research and successful drug policy show
That treatment should be increased
And law enforcement decreased
While abolishing mandatory minimun sentences
All research and successful drug policy show
That treatment should be increased
And law enforcement decreased
While abolishing mandatory minimun sentences
Utilising drugs to pay for secret wars around the world
Drugs are now your global policy now you police the globe
I buy my crack, I smack my bitch
Right here in hollywood
Drug money is used to rig elections
And train brutal corporate sponsored dictators
Around the world
They?re trying to build a prison
They?re trying to build a prison
They?re trying to build a prison
(for you and me to live in)
Another prison system
Another prison system
Another prison system
(for you and me to live in)
For you and i, for you and i, for you and i
For you and i
They?re trying to build a prison
They?re trying to build a prison
They?re trying to build a prison
For you and me
Oh baby, you and me
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Okay, if you're going to post lyrics, AT LEAST PUT THE AUTHOR, please? It's just lame not to. Most of the time I don't read these because of it. I like to know who I'm reading.
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Good point, anon. ::rainbow:: ::read::
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On 2004-03-12 06:32:00, Cobain wrote:
"Good point, anon. ::rainbow:: ::read:: "
Thanks, dude. :smile:
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I'm not the author of the first post in this thread, but it is from a SYSTEM OF THE DOWN song.
Rock is cool, the song may even be relavant, but there are many other lyric boards out there. It kind of sux that this bbs is now overrun with those in support of the program. I say this only because this bbs used to have an edge that spoke of topically relavant issues against the joints that we spent time in. "Relating off topic" is always cool and even necessary, but to change the fundamental issues from what it was here to the current senseless banter??? To acknowledge posts by Dr Fucktard and such is clearly not in support of the fight against abusive treatment facilities that continue to exist and is moreover perceived by most as an attempt to undermine what positive comes from boards such as these. Ah, nevermind, I am preaching to the choir, I have seen many other posts in agreement with the aforementioned. Forget my words, carry on. :???:
Yep, it is from a SYSTEM OF THE DOWN song.
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"A" down, not "THE" down...my bad.
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To acknowledge posts by Dr Fucktard and such is clearly not in support of the fight against abusive treatment facilities that continue to exist and is moreover perceived by most as an attempt to undermine what positive comes from boards such as these. Ah, nevermind, I am preaching to the choir, I have seen many other posts in agreement with the aforementioned. Forget my words, carry on.
Astute observations there anon, and I agree! If no one (especially the anons) responded to my posts in a way that "plays into them," I would stop posting here. Simple as that. :eek:
Also, the perception that my posts are an attempt to undermine *anything* couldn't be more off the mark, for when all is said and done, that is NOT my intention. Sure you could look at Fucktard's antics in that light, or you could consider me to be a sort of"readyness exercise," and one that will undoubtedly separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.
Again, "I live as long as YOU give me life."
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Yes system of a down..
That was me btw and forgot to sign in..
I will start posting authors I didnt know anyone gave a fuck who it was but I have posted about 6 times saying Im not the author...
funny thing is so many hate me for these lil works of art and I didnt write them..
I merely find something fitting and wish to share it with the world...
Mabey I should start posting anon...that way people will see the post rather than just the name.. :smokin: :smokin:
This is a survivor board...Ok..for survivors to post..and anyone else..
If you want a bord expressing one view go start a fucking message board and filter whats said and who posts..
otherwise go fuck yourself.. :lol: :lol:
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[ This Message was edited by: Therion on 2004-03-12 23:09 ]
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You said "maybe I should start posting anon". are you fucking kidding? Aren't you the asshole that has crawled up so many other asses for posting anonymously? I'll mark your doubletalking ass words Therion.
"Go fuck yourself" you said. Even Fucktard is more articulate. The intellect of your response has me lost for words. Your post in this thread was identified because your small world isn't just that of your own. Other people know of the three year old lyrics that you call "lil works of art" and it's redundant to read them here after the discs were in most cd changers years and years ago for those of us that don't live under your rock in Texas.
Why don't you request your own artistic expression board from fornits so that you and you alone could post your senseless rantings that were created, published, and even copyrighted by others that you insist on copy and pasting here. That would indeed be a world solely of your own. Therion's Domain. You could post your fairy ass pictures of your skinny ass self and your novice ass glass bowl, your song lyrics copied from other sites, your questions on the elements of heroin and the effects it has on your rotten mind, etc. Maybe then these boards can regroup and once again become the think tank it was once with unified intent on stopping the shit that we all experienced in the program rather than the contemporary moronic blogs that not only discredit those trying to make a difference, but serve as verification to those in favor of the program that life is shit without "working your program".
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On 2004-03-13 06:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
Maybe then these boards can regroup and once again become the think tank it was once with unified intent on stopping the shit that we all experienced in the program rather than the contemporary moronic blogs that not only discredit those trying to make a difference, but serve as verification to those in favor of the program that life is shit without "working your program".
I think maybe it's time to add another question to the FAQ. "What are these boards here for?"
In fact, I think I'm going to go and start a thread right now.
In the Web Forum Hosting section.
Right off the bat, though, the most compelling reason why I started these fora in the first place was.....
wait for it....
To find out what everyone else thinks
I still hold that, given no constraint or coercion of any kind, the final verdict on the Program will probably come in somewhere in the neighborhood of what I thought to begin with. Unlike Program devotees and practitioners of Stepcraft, however, I'm willing to take my chances and find out if it actually turns out that way.
If you find these fora useful as "a think tank ... with unified intent on stopping the shit that we all experienced in the program", then, by all means, carry on, carry on and keep using it for that.
If you don't like/appreciate/understand wtf other people are doing, just pass them by.
::rainbow:: The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": 1. fighting; 2. fleeing; 3.feeding; and 4. mating.
-- Psychology professor in neuropsychology intro course
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I agree 100% with Anonymous. Thank you Anon, for putting to words what I've been thinking about this idiot for some time now.
I could care less what Therion or Ftard thinks.
Their post are brainless and asinine. I love this: Why don't you request your own artistic expression board from fornits so that you and you alone could post your senseless rantings that were created, published, and even copyrighted by others that you insist on copy and pasting here. That would indeed be a world solely of your own. Therion's Domain. You could post your fairy ass pictures of your skinny ass self and your novice ass glass bowl, your song lyrics copied from other sites, your questions on the elements of heroin and the effects it has on your rotten mind, etc.
Brilliant!! :nworthy:
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Is it just me or am I the only one who doesn't think Therion's posts are irrelavent. They are trying to build a prison. Don't you know that? And don't you know how they're filling them up? Who's landing up in them? I'll tell you one thing, I do not think this current generation of teenagers are getting the better end of the deal. Damned near every 18 - 23 year old kid I know is or has been on some kind of papers. They're not any wilder or more criminally inclined than I remember my brothers or the my classmates at Christian school. They're just getting tagged, cataloged and stored a lot more easily.
...or that Dr. Fucktard is pro-program? Put yourself in the place of someone who would post under the name Dr. Fucktard and pretend to be Fr. Cashin defending himself and the program and threatening to drag us all into the adult Straight that he's building...
::bangin:: C'mon guys! Parody! Satire! Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
Andrew Tannenbaum
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Therion has no credibility as far as many are concerned here. Honestly Ginger, I don't think you've read enough of his posts to notice the difference. I respect your point of view, I just don't agree with it.
So yeah, you are the only one.
As far as Fucktard goes, I don't think he's pro-straight, I just think he's 100% trash, with too much time on his hands.
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I think most of Therion's posts are as relevant as any others I've seen, and more relevant than some. Personally, I wouldn't go on here and talk about some of the things he has talked about, but that's his choice. If you don't like what he has to say, don't read it or respond to it. I can't speak for him, but I think a lot of times he plays devil's advocate or tries to draw people out with some of his posts. You would have to ask him.
The guy has as much a right as anyone to post here. He paid his dues by being in Straight and, by his own admission, was scarred by the experience. I think anyone who was at Straight can sympathize. I know I can. If you don't like what he has to say, don't read it.
I also think that a lot of his detractors have taken cheap shots at him--calling him a junkie, etc. That's just low. Therion has been pretty open about his MMT and is dealing with his addiction in the most commonly accepted method available in the US.
Personally, I could do without the song lyics, and I don't need to know about his love life, or his feuds with any one else on the 'fora', but that's my opinion. I don't read or respond to posts that I am not interested in.
If you disagree with what he has to say, that's fine. Disagree. Reply to his posts and tell him and us why you think he's wrong, off target, or whatever. But to condemn the guy out of hand and engage in personal attacks against him is counterproductive, uncalled-for, and boring to read.
I think he has made some valuable contributions to the board and I hope he sticks around.
As for Dr. Fucktard, the guy told you from day one that he's trolling for kicks and if you play into his bullshit it's your own damn fault. I think several of his posts have been amusing and thought provoking, when he's not calling out "Anon". Pro-Straight? I hardly think so.
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I can't speak for Therion, but I swear I read in another thread that Satan had possession of Fuctard.
666
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I wholeheartedly agree with RTP's above post.
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To dilute the only public voice heard by those formerly associated with the program with posts that alternate between ancient song lyrics and fuck off directives in my very own opinion is counterproductive. That counterproductivity undermines all potential possibilities that could stem from a collective unification against abusive treatment facilities. I think if there was a stronger foundation resulting from the communication in these "fora" that possibly attendance would be up at the "International Conferences on Adolescent Treatment Abuse", and maybe likewise at protests and such. Possibly an entire movement of STRAIGHT and legacy program survivors could solidify and strengthen with focus on the paramount issues of concern to us veterans of those programs that involuntarily forced mindbending thought reform on us in the name of rehabilitation. I know with that thought that I am thinking very idealistically, but there are people on these boards from all over the country and from all walks of life, from the junkie, to the MD, and from all types of varying programs with similiar modalities of treatment. It seems like with all that collective knowledge, experience, and motivation (~no pun~) that the boards could serve a better purpose than being overrun with clownish posts.
That is what is meant by Dr. Fuckwad and Therifuck being FOR the program, they are certainly not against the program as they undermine the only public medium of communication used by those against the program. There are too many other boards out there that aren't as thematically relavant as these are, but yet they remain here, pissing people off who all share a rather fucked up experience.
The saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" could be applicably arranged here to read "the enemy of my friends is also my enemy". Rather, if one is not *for* the fight against abusive rehabilitation and your purpose is only to undermine those defending the position against the program then rational logic dictates you must be in favor of the opposition. In other words, I wouldn't find myself fucking with vegetarians on bbs designed for them unless I was in favor of eating meat...does that make sense? Likewise speaking, I would not be gay bashing on a homo bbs if I, myself, was gay?
It just doesn't make sense.
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On 2004-03-13 19:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"In other words, I wouldn't find myself fucking with vegetarians on bbs designed for them unless I was in favor of eating meat...does that make sense? Likewise speaking, I would not be gay bashing on a homo bbs if I, myself, was gay?
It just doesn't make sense.
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Beautifully said.
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Why can't there be room for both here. Those that want to accomplish something, go ahead. Those that want to just get in touch with friends, by all means. Those that want to come and joke around and shoot the shit, great. I don't necessarily like the song lyrics or whatever, but I don't read them anymore. It doesn't interest me, so I skip over it. I've found most of what the Drs and 'Miller' are doing quite humorous. I've taken what they've posted as they intended....a joke, sarcasm whatever you want to call it.
As far as really accomplishing something, I don't think that is going to be done on these forums. To me, they're more for communication. The accomplishments, whatever they be, will come to fruition either in the courts or some other venue, or they won't. These forums help to facilitate some of what is being done, but it's not going to 'get done' here.
Life is too short to get upset over shit like this. Let's all lighten up and move on.What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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That is what is meant by Dr. Fuckwad and Therifuck being FOR the program, they are certainly not against the program as they undermine the only public medium of communication used by those against the program. There are too many other boards out there that aren't as thematically relavant as these are, but yet they remain here, pissing people off who all share a rather fucked up experience.
And the fact that YOU don't shut up keeps it going. See? Here I am again. And to think that I had practically resolved to not post here again. But knuckleheads such as yourself just don't get it, you keep dragging me back. Goddamn, but you are dense! :flame:
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On 2004-03-13 17:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I can't speak for Therion, but I swear I read in another thread that Satan had possession of Fuctard.
666
:flame:
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First, I never intended for these fora to be exclusive to program vets. If I wanted that, I'd have done it like the Synanon site and set up some kind of language test as a condition of access. What would be the point of that anyway? We all know already what happened to us and what we saw. One of my main reasons for setting this up was, in fact, so that people who haven't gone through the program can get a candid look at what it's all about.
So having et one's belt in the Sahara, so to speak, doesn't give anyone any more right to post here than someone who's never even heard of any of these programs. And no less, of course.
To dilute the only public voice heard by those formerly associated with the program with posts that alternate between ancient song lyrics and fuck off directives in my very own opinion is counterproductive. That counterproductivity undermines all potential possibilities that could stem from a collective unification against abusive treatment facilities.
Look, I'm still running these fora in just the same way I have from the beginning. If that has resulted in this becoming "the only public voice heard by those formerly associated w/ the program", then there's no reason to think that should change just because a few people are posting things you don't like. You just never know what might grow out of some of this other stuff that you don't like. Neither do I. We'll just have to wait and see.
Hell, take a look over in the Teen Help forum. Over there, we have real, honest to god Program recruiters and parents. They try like hell to disrupt any meaningful discussion. But they fall on their asses just about every time. The really funny part is that they don't know they're joking.
It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion.
--Joseph Goebbels
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On 2004-03-14 05:45:00, Antigen wrote:
"First, I never intended for these fora to be exclusive to program vets. If I wanted that, I'd have done it like the Synanon site and set up some kind of language test as a condition of access.
In no way do I imply that these fora should be exclusive to program vets nor include discussion exclusive to the program (how boring that would be). My initial thread was merely an observation that stated something similiar to the fact that it kind of sux that this bbs has recently seen so many more clowns than it did in yesteryear, it was not to imply that you the sysop are running the boards any differently. No one said a word about you, how you run/ran things, nor how you should run things here. If my words were an attack on the you as the host, it would have been worded very differently.
Every post is not a fuckturd post, so the bbs has not yet been completely assimilated by jerkoffs, cayohueso, you are correct and there is room for both. I didn't mean to infer that there wasn't.
I don't want to reiterate my entire former post, but it was also not my position that something could "really be accomplished" on the fora alone. I see the fora as simply a tool that could *potentially* be used as a vehicle of communication with purpose and intent to strengthen a movement conducive to changing the status quo. I have heard of conferences, nonprofits, protests, action commitees, etc. for years but I think that there is still much to be done by way of a unified front with focused purpose and intent.
The webmasters of the various websites don't even communicate with each other. I mean when the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing, how can both hands work together to be strong. If we had a single shot to state our position, such as in current litigation, would our voices, ALL of our voices, even be heard? Could the numbers be called out? Are the collected affidavits representative of all those that have spoke out here against the program? Is Therion still spitting out song lyrics on the straight testimony board? It's disturbing to think that even the Klan is more organized than all of us that share the experience of being involved in a mind control cult that was directly responsible for the deaths of people that I (WE) used to call friends.
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On 2004-03-14 06:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
I mean when the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing, how can both hands work together to be strong.
It's a mystery, isn't it? Here's my theory. In order for the Program philosophy to win out, they have to go to a lot of extra trouble controling what people say and think. We don't have that liability. I think that if I just keep on providing a place where there isn't any authoritative control or planned organization, Program philosophy will wither and die here while more truthful, sensible and worthwhile ideas will flourish.
Making fun of the Rev. Dr., Dr., Fr., Virgil Miller "Cashin" Newton is, in my opinion, a worthy endeavour. If you don't get the humor of it, well pass it by. Sharing song lyrics that you find relavent or salient is also, imo, a fine way to kill a little time. If you don't think so, then pass it by and go on contributing to those efforts that you do find worthy.
Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it can do something to the people
Thomas Jefferson.
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Again, the issue isn't so much taking a stab at Newton (fig./lit. speaking) nor do I have a problem with killing a little time by posting archaic song lyrics. In my opinion I emphatically (though simply) think it sux that more time is spent on song lyrics and attending to dr (i)fuck(re)tards (pardon my flaming passive-aggression) posts than on assembly, unification, organization, and ACTION.
I am not calling for a militia (I don't think) only for some sense of solidarity, or a higher sense of fellowship amongst those that DO share the common interests regarding making information public regarding former and current abusive adolescent treatment facilities.
Again I say that it's disturbing to think that even the Klan is more organized than all of us that share the experience of being involved in a mind control cult.
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Then, essentially, you're saying you'd like for people to do more of what you think is important and less of these other things they want to do.
Yes, the Klan is more organized than Program vets. So is Al Queda. So were the Nazis; all named religions and the Drug Free America Foundation. Coincidence? I think not!Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself
--Jimmy Carter
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Yes, the Klan is more organized than Program vets. So is Al Queda. So were the Nazis; all named religions and the Drug Free America Foundation. Coincidence? I think not!
I must concur with your profound observation. You rock!
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As do you
:nworthy: Life is like a bird, at any given moment it is droping a load. It is only a matter of time before one eventually find you.
SysAdmin
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On 2004-03-14 10:38:00, Antigen wrote:
"Then, essentially, you're saying you'd like for people to do more of what you think is important and less of these other things they want to do.
Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself
--Jimmy Carter
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I don't think that's what Anon is trying to say at all, but if that's the case, we can turn it around and say you're saying the same thing.
It's the Anon's opinion, and I happen to agree with it. I know this board is unmoderated, so the only way for idiots to be put in their place is for members to speak out against their posts. Therion saying he thought he was capable of ruining some girl's marriage that posts here was the stupidest thing he's said here by far. On top of all the other inane posts of vague banter, unauthored song lyrics, bad poetry and scat pictures.
I'm not talking about his right to be here, he's still here, I didn't say ban him, but personally I think he's an idiot to the fullest meaning of the word, and as a free person on a free board, I have the right to be intolerant of what he spews from his filthy little mind.
Trying to force us to be tolerant of him, is worse than us speaking out about his insufferable behavior anyway, in my opinion.
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I don't think anyone's trying to force you to be tolerant of anything, except the fact that the posts are going to be there. You can't get around that unless he IS banned and you said that's not what you want. Speak out against him all you want. Just understand that quite a bit of the time you will just be perpetuating it all.
Respond to what you think is important. Ignore what you think is not. The best way to keep important discussions going on here, if that's what you're after, is to participate in and start those discussions. Logic dictates that the more you respond to those discussions and the less you respond to what you consider to be trash, then you'll get what you want and others will get what they want. Sounds fair to me.War is God?s way of teaching Americans geography.
--Ambrose Bierce (died 1914)
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On 2004-03-14 10:38:00, Antigen wrote:
"Then, essentially, you're saying you'd like for people to do more of what you think is important and less of these other things they want to do.
Yes, the Klan is more organized than Program vets. So is Al Queda. So were the Nazis; all named religions and the Drug Free America Foundation. Coincidence? I think not!Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself
--Jimmy Carter
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I really don't want for anyone to do anything, aside from:
1.) realize that fornits forums are a strong voice of all those that shared a similiar experience. That voice becomes convaluded and diluted when mixed with a certain variety of shit posts. No different than if Martha Stewart blanketed this board with recipes. While I may become a better cook because of it, I (and a certain many others) would likely tell her to find a culinary related forum.
2.) realize that there are more solidified movements out there for trivially ridiculous bullshit that actually get publication, airtime, and recognition, because of union. You mentioned "Al Queda, Nazis, all named religions, and the Drug Free America Foundation" in your post which sounded like a meglomaniacally oppressive group is your opinion of what the end result of grass roots level organization is. The Zapatistas, The Weathermen, The Black Panthers, even citizens against the citrus canker commies, have yet to attract attention to thier cause by pissing the day away with song lyrics and "Your a fag" photo posts.
In summary and regardless, I care little about the graffiti tagged here currently on these boards, but I do remember a time before the straight bbs was on fornits that consisted of a relatively small group of people that were not as much concerned with "artistic self expression" and song lyrics as they were with attending to issues of topical relavance.
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What seems to be so hard about doing both??? I participate in some pretty heavy discussions here sometimes. Other times I just bullshit, sometimes I have a little fun with the trolls. As I've said before, the more you post and respond to what you think is important, the more it will further those discussions. Stop wasting so much time worrying about people that you consider to be idiots.
If most people, as you have intimated, don't like his posts......then don't respond and they'll fall off the end of the page.Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys
--P.J. O'Rourke
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Yes yes! We all want to be just like the Zapatistas!
I'm sorry if we don't all live up to your expectations. . . no, wait.... I'm not. Never mind.
:smokin: A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
-- William James
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Cayo, I hear ya
Antigen, I'd rather here from Kathy.
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uh, er I mean "Hear", here that is,
or uh something like that.
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It just doesn't seem like it should be this complicated, or this black and white. Not everyone is going to like or appreciate everything that is written here. Do we start separate threads/forums for everything that's posted that someone takes offense to??? There's a lot of shit on here that I consider to be completely useless. I just don't bother with it. It's really not worth my time or effort. I'd rather put my efforts into responding to people I DO enjoy. Very often, that inlcudes the trolls. So because you and some others don't like them, I shouldn't be able to participate in and enjoy the theatrics???
who needs regular piss tests more than a former blowski who has his finger on the button?
--Chuck Beyer
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On 2004-03-14 13:03:00, cayohueso wrote:
"I don't think anyone's trying to force you to be tolerant of anything, except the fact that the posts are going to be there.
Exactly. It goes the other way too.
You can't get around that unless he IS banned and you said that's not what you want. Speak out against him all you want. Just understand that quite a bit of the time you will just be perpetuating it all.
I never said I didn't wish him banned, I just know Ginger wouldn't do it. I don't feel that what I'm doing now is perpetuating it.
Respond to what you think is important. Ignore what you think is not.
Kind of hard to ignore a giant repulsive picture on the screen.
The best way to keep important discussions going on here, if that's what you're after, is to participate in and start those discussions.
Well, my point is that I don't want to anymore, along with other survivors who never post here anymore, because of these idiots. My choice, I know. Still, posting Anonymous is really not contributing very personally, and I have no desire to log in here as a member anymore.
Logic dictates that the more you respond to those discussions and the less you respond to what you consider to be trash, then you'll get what you want and others will get what they want. Sounds fair to me.
Yes, but then again, not everything is strictly based on logic alone. It bothers me to see good people become sickened by the current state of the board, and leave. The board's name is "Straight, Inc. Survivors" which implies unity for veterans of that particular program. That seems to be gone now
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I agree...it bothers me that a lot of them are gone too. But, I don't think it can just blanketly be blamed on Therion, Fucktard or anyone else. In the first place, a lot of the regulars left BEFORE this started for other personal reasons. Second, if people have truly been run off by these posts, then that IS sad, but sad because good people allowed themselves to be run off. I had a problem with a couple of the pics that were posted. I PMd the guy and talked with him directly. When I DID that, I got a whole lot better understanding of what he was about. My point is, don't let ANYONE run you off these boards. It IS your choice.
Another point.......this happens every once in a while in these forums. I don't know about other forums, this is about the only one I visit. It goes in cycles, things heat up then they calm down. Be patient.It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-- Aristotle
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and if those people that left because of Therion/Fucktard/Whoever, had started threads aobut what THEY thought was important and people like you and me and Ginger and whoever else participated in THOSE discussions instead of just leaving, think about how much further along we'd be now.
... and the group leader was a clown.
GregFL
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[ This Message was edited by: cayohueso on 2004-03-14 13:56 ]
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I see where you're coming from cayohueso, and want to thank you for your genuine concern on this subject. You're right, it is my choice. :smile:
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As the other anon that has been posting in this thread, I concur and agree with anon #2.
Zapatista's aren't the model for a group such as those formerly associated with the program. That is not what I inferred. More simply that the union and motivation here is inadequate and disproportionate for the shit we endured. It is no wonder Bradbury isn't getting overwhelming support.
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On 2004-03-14 13:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
The board's name is "Straight, Inc. Survivors" which implies unity for veterans of that particular program. That seems to be gone now
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply unity as a prerequisite to participation here. I can't even remember a time when there wasn't some contention in these fora. Are you sure things have changedand not just your perception of things?
Step 1. We came to understand that the government is powerless over people's private use of drugs and that the War on Drugs was making the government's life unmanageable.
--Scott Tillinghast
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On 2004-03-14 14:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As the other anon that has been posting in this thread, I concur and agree with anon #2.
Zapatista's aren't the model for a group such as those formerly associated with the program. That is not what I inferred. More simply that the union and motivation here is inadequate and disproportionate for the shit we endured. It is no wonder Bradbury isn't getting overwhelming support."
Hey now! I'm not the one who failed to provide overwhelming support for Richard, you are!
Seriously. If you think Richard should get more support, do what I do; whenever something happens that they're allowed to talk about w/o violating any court orders, post it here, tell your friends, notify journalists and interest groups who might be interested. But if you're waiting around for it to just happen somehow via the forum, you're missing the boat. It's here, use it as you will or not.
And, of course, you have a point. You have every right to grouse about other people's postings if that's what you'd rather do. But it doesn't mean I'm going to agree with you.
The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918)
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On 2004-03-13 06:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You said "maybe I should start posting anon". are you fucking kidding? Aren't you the asshole that has crawled up so many other asses for posting anonymously? I'll mark your doubletalking ass words Therion.
"Go fuck yourself" you said. Even Fucktard is more articulate. The intellect of your response has me lost for words. Your post in this thread was identified because your small world isn't just that of your own. Other people know of the three year old lyrics that you call "lil works of art" and it's redundant to read them here after the discs were in most cd changers years and years ago for those of us that don't live under your rock in Texas.
Why don't you request your own artistic expression board from fornits so that you and you alone could post your senseless rantings that were created, published, and even copyrighted by others that you insist on copy and pasting here. That would indeed be a world solely of your own. Therion's Domain. You could post your fairy ass pictures of your skinny ass self and your novice ass glass bowl, your song lyrics copied from other sites, your questions on the elements of heroin and the effects it has on your rotten mind, etc. Maybe then these boards can regroup and once again become the think tank it was once with unified intent on stopping the shit that we all experienced in the program rather than the contemporary moronic blogs that not only discredit those trying to make a difference, but serve as verification to those in favor of the program that life is shit without "working your program"."
I was being sarcastic you fuckwit....and I wasnt unified with you in straight and think alot of you are garbage so...
please go die...
More of therions blog style posting inc...
Besides you made me this way :lol:
And as far as what was in your cd changer years ago thats beside the point, any lyric I find relevant at any given second will be posted without hesitation..
Remember cut up....not across..
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[ This Message was edited by: Therion on 2004-03-14 16:32 ]
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Another classless, tasteless, useless post by Therion.
"You made me this way."
Story of your life, isn't it?
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so, then see it for what it's worth (or not worth) and move on.
Legalizing drugs is far from a panacea for all the distress caused by drugs, but it will eliminate most of the profit and corruption from the drug trade.
--Nobel laureate, Gary S. Becker
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On 2004-03-14 13:03:00, cayohueso wrote:
"I don't think anyone's trying to force you to be tolerant of anything, except the fact that the posts are going to be there.
Exactly. It goes the other way too.
I don't understand what you were trying to say here..
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Boooooriiiiing ::bomb:: ::bomb:: ::bomb::
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On 2004-03-14 19:14:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"On 2004-03-14 13:03:00, cayohueso wrote:
"I don't think anyone's trying to force you to be tolerant of anything, except the fact that the posts are going to be there.
Exactly. It goes the other way too.
I don't understand what you were trying to say here..
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Of course you don't. You're one to talk. :roll:
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Personally, I could do without the song lyics, and I don't need to know about his love life, or his feuds with any one else on the 'fora', but that's my opinion.
Hmmmm, now where have I heard say that before?
*Rubs chin like Robert De Niro*
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On 2004-03-15 06:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Personally, I could do without the song lyics, and I don't need to know about his love life, or his feuds with any one else on the 'fora', but that's my opinion.
Hmmmm, now who have I heard say that before?
*Rubs chin like Robert De Niro*
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Personally, I could do without the song lyics, and I don't need to know about his love life, or his feuds with any one else on the 'fora', but that's my opinion.
Hmmmm, now who have I heard say that before?
*Rubs chin like Robert De Niro*
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Of course you don't. You're one to talk.
What??? Could you please just explain yourself?
Is that too much to ask?
And don't roll your eyes at me... :skull:
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BTW, it's MY opinion, lol, that snide remarks such as this one coming from an ANON do WAY MORE to perpetuate the CRAP on this board than 10 Fucktards and 20 Therions could ever do.
Just my opinion.. :lol:
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*Tucks penis between legs
Twiches and mutters "Id Fuck Me" and cackles