Post by: thepatriot on March 11, 2004, 06:58:00 AM
I'm a Bad American-this pretty much sums it up for me. I like big trucks, big boats, big houses, and naturally, pretty women.
I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some midlevel governmental functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts squirting out babies.
I don't care about appearing compassionate.
I think playing with toy guns doesn't make you a killer. I believe ignoring your kids and giving them Prozac might.
I think I'm doing better than the homeless.
I don't think being a minority makes you noble or victimized. I have the right not to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird or make me mad. This is my life to live, and not necessarily up to others expectations. I know what SEX is and there are not varying degrees of it.
I don't celebrate Kwanzaa. But if you want to that's fine; I just don't feel like everyone else should have to.
I believe that if you are selling me a Dairy Queen shake, a pack of cigarettes, or hotel room you do it in English. As of matter of fact, if you are an American citizen you should speak English. My uncles and forefathers shouldn't have had to die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come disrespect ours, and make us bend to your will. Get over it.
I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry butt if you're running from them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word 'freeze' or 'stop' in English, see the previous line. I don't use the excuse "it's for the children" as a shield for unpopular opinions or actions.
I know how to count votes and I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation do a recount when needed. I know what the definition of lying is, and it isn't based on the word "is"-ever.
I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you qualify for any special loan programs, gov't sponsored bank loans, etc., so you can open a hotel, 7-Eleven, trinket shop, or any thing else, while the indigenous peoples can't get past a high school education because they can't afford it.
I didn't take the initiative in inventing the Internet. I thought the Taco Bell dog was funny.
I want them to bring back safe and sane fireworks.
I believe no one ever died because of something Ozzy Osbourne, Ice-T or Marilyn Manson sang, but that doesn't mean I want to listen to that crap
from someone else's car when I'm stopped at a red light. But I respect your right to.
I think that being a student doesn't give you any more enlightenment than working at Blockbuster or Jack In The Box.
I don't want to eat or drink anything with the words light, lite or fat-free on the package.
Our soldiers did not go to some foreign country and risk their lives in vain and defend our Constitution so that decades later you can tell me it's a living document ever changing and is open to interpretation. The guys who wrote it were light years ahead of anyone today, and they meant what they said - now leave the document alone, or there's going to be trouble.
I don't hate the rich. I help the poor. I know wrestling is fake. I've never owned, or was a slave, and a large percentage of our forefathers weren't wealthy enough to own one either. Please stop blaming me because some prior white people were idiots - and remember, tons of white, Indian, Chinese, and other races have been enslaved too - it was wrong for every one of them.
I believe a self-righteous liberal Democrat with a cause is more dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude.
I want to know exactly which church is it where the "Reverend" Jessie Jackson preaches; and, what exactly is his job function.
I own a gun, you can own a gun, and any red blooded American should be allowed to own a gun, but if you use it in a crime, then you will serve the time.
I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it makes you mad, then invent the next operating system that's better and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy that invented the Internet to help you.
I don't believe in hate crime legislation. Even suggesting it makes me mad.
You're telling me that someone who is a minority, gay, disabled, another nationality, or otherwise different from the mainstream of this country has more value as a human being that I do as a white male. If someone kills anyone, I'd say that it's a hate crime. We don't need more laws! Let's enforce the ones we already have.
I think turkey bacon, turkey beef, turkey fake anything sucks. I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child-it takes a parent with the guts to stand up to the kid and spank his butt and say "NO!" when it's necessary to do so. I'll admit that the only movie that ever made me cry was Ole Yeller. I didn't realize Dr. Seuss was a genius until I had a kid.
I will not be frowned upon or be looked down upon or be made to keep silent because I have these beliefs and opinions. I thought this country allowed me that right. I will not conform or compromise just to keep from hurting somebody's feelings. I'm neither angry nor disenfranchised, no matter how desperately the mainstream media would like the world to believe otherwise. Yes, I guess by some people's definition, I may be a bad American.
But that's tough.
Post by: Cayo Hueso on March 11, 2004, 07:10:00 AM
Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.
--Rep. Robert L. Henry, TX December 22, 1914 (quoting Lincoln)
Post by: thepatriot on March 11, 2004, 07:10:00 AM
Post by: Cayo Hueso on March 11, 2004, 07:20:00 AM
Speak gently! 't is a little thing Dropp'd in the heart's deep well; The good, the joy, that it may bring Eternity shall tell.
-- G. W. Langford: Speak gently.
Post by: Pete on March 11, 2004, 03:31:00 PM
I hope I can own a 2,000-pound buffalo one day.
Post by: Marina on March 11, 2004, 09:46:00 PM
I don't agree with everything but it seems very sincere.
By the way, Ozzy Osbourne rocks!
Peace!
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2004, 05:38:00 PM
are macdonalds super sized feeding troughs american?
how about hunting animals for fun and then pouring their blood over your head is that american?
Are gas guzzling over-sized death machine SUV's american?
is super wal-mart american? is buying your tires, engagement ring and dinner at the same store while filling up your tank and having your oil changed american?
Is starting a war over and then not accomplishing or uncovering anything except for death american?
Is disrespecting other cultures american?
is prejudice american?
is having such blatent disregard for moderation that were all dying of alcohol and tobacco abuse american?
is keeping a harmless plant on schedule 1 american?
is over taxing the citizens for absolutely everything american?
Is the draft american?
Am i american?
are you american?
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"what exactly is american?
are macdonalds super sized feeding troughs american?
yep
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how about hunting animals for fun and then pouring their blood over your head is that american?
dont' know, never tried it
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Are gas guzzling over-sized death machine SUV's american?
definitely, couldn't live without mine
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is super wal-mart american? is buying your tires, engagement ring and dinner at the same store while filling up your tank and having your oil changed american?
don't eat dinner there or buy my jewelry but they did do a nice oil change
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Is starting a war over and then not accomplishing or uncovering anything except for death american?
it still needs to play itself out. and we're not the only ones.
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Is disrespecting other cultures american?
Is it disrespectful to me when I go into a grocery store and have to have someone translate b/c the deli worker doesn't speak enlish?? happened 2 months ago, again.
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is prejudice american?
not hardly
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is having such blatent disregard for moderation that were all dying of alcohol and tobacco abuse american?
you have a point there
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is keeping a harmless plant on schedule 1 american?
and there
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is over taxing the citizens for absolutely everything american?
and possibly there
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Is the draft american?
yes, but it has been out of effect for a while now
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Am i american?
don't know, you're anon
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are you american?"
ABSO-FUCKIN-LUTELY. It may not be the perfect, but it works for me. I could be in a LOT worse places.
Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like autumn leaves. When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe. -- My First Summer in the Sierra , 1911, page 110.
John Muir
Post by: Full Coor BC on March 17, 2004, 06:15:00 PM
Post by: Cayo Hueso on March 17, 2004, 06:30:00 PM
Ardent advocates of prohibition were obsessed by a zeal that bordered on fanaticism. They supported politicians who voted to outlaw liquor, no matter how much of it they privately consumed, and spurned politicians who voted against prohibition, no matter how sober they were personally.
Sen. Sam Ervin, Preserving The Constitution
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2004, 06:57:00 PM
You are playing right in the hands of the people trying to destroy our country. While you keep yourself convinced that this country is yours for the taking rather than yours for the giving, you are being enslaved. The powers that be have sold you, your children, and your grand children to a life of drudgery. Your future is taxed upon taxed upon taxed. There is only one way out - deflation and depression. (This would not be the little depression of your grandparent's, by the way.) Purging the system of its corrupt financial institution and all its fiat currency is the only end game I can see. However, this is not a very popular political scenerio, so inflation will continue as long as our government can pull it off. That means more debt and more tax for you and me. Eventually, inflation leads to hyper inflation and then you get deflation. So, it comes back to the same end.
If anyone can find in history an example of any gevernment that massed produced fiat currency without this ultimate outcome, please let me know. I'm open to any hope that this country can excape this fate - cheat the universe from it's natural laws.
The veils are coming off one by one, but some of us can't even see the veils.
The Contrarian
Post by: Marina on March 17, 2004, 08:21:00 PM
However, Whitney has brought up a very good point. Yes, Patriot, everyone in your country is entitled to have an opinion, but I must admitt that I personally feel offended by something you've mentioned in one of your messages:
"Hey....you are a example of why I support closing our boarders and restricting entry....".
Of course this was addressed to Whintney, who is in fact, an American. But I feel it, since I happened to live in America for 5 years of my life and I struggled with people with the same mentality. The US is an international country and it's a good thing, believe me. The immigrants, both legal and ilegal are usually hard workers and they've been contributing a lot to the growth of your country. I know plenty of immigrants that happen to know more about the US than any average American. And yes, these people have every right to criticize the things that go wrong in your country just like any other American. We're no different.
Do you know what's so great about New York City besides the statue of liberty and Broadway? The variety of people, ethnic groups and culture that gives the city a special touch.
Do you know what makes me sad? Is that there are people that happen to think that Americans are superior than others. This is where I start to disagree, because we are all human beings and we shouldn't be treated differently just because we are in your country. I'm not even getting to the legal issue, cause although there are "bad elements", most ilegal immigrants that I happened to meet are wonderful people and they are willing to work hard, just as long as they stay in America.
OK, since I'm entitled to have an opinion, this is mine. Hope you keep an open mind and understand my point.
Peace!
Post by: Marina on March 17, 2004, 08:24:00 PM
This is so true.
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Post by: thepatriot on March 17, 2004, 10:56:00 PM
.....THEPATRIOT...like me or not its your choice
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Cayo Hueso on March 17, 2004, 11:09:00 PM
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The immigrants, both legal and ilegal are usually hard workers and they've been contributing a lot to the growth of your country. I know plenty of immigrants that happen to know more about the US than any average American. And yes, these people have every right to criticize the things that go wrong in your country just like any other American. We're no different.
Can't agree there. If you're here illegally, you're NOT an American so you don't have the right to criticize 'just like any other American'. If you're here illegally and you don't like the country, tough shit, get the fuck out or get legal. I'm not one to make statements like that but that pisses me off. Someone here ILLEGALLY has the right to bitch and moan about what they don't like here????? It's apparently a damn sight better than where they came from or they'd be there.
I don't think Americans are superior to anyone else. I happen to like the country I live in. I don't think it's perfect. There is a hell of a lot that I would like to change, but just because I feel that way, doesn't mean I don't see and admire the good qualities we have.
One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation.
--Thomas Brackett Reed
Post by: E7haterJe on March 17, 2004, 11:24:00 PM
Some things said about us are true... America a place where we promote peace and equality no communism yet we take away rights, we fight with other countries then back out like pussies. We critisize out of towners, and people from other countries, we say we offer freedom, yet condone the cubans and haitians... Bush wants to ban the right to freedom on gays. etc etc...
America Shamerica..I read through the posts...maybe I am being very synical right now...
So much information...my mind seems boggled..and its responces I come up with r so lame..
Something about wishing I had a Baffalo...ahah
Something about Elan being for selfish kids bla blha...
I want a buffALo so I can Cook it...
and eat it...
If I were in Elan again...I would start a fire.
if I was the president, I d allow almost anything...
Marina prob knows more about America than we do. I am unsure if I know what it is to be an American, or if I am even proud to say I am an american...
Sometimes I think it is shameful and embarrasing to be an American..
Oh well..
I think Im just lame right now bc the boyfriend is taking his time to come over and im very bored and trying to kill time..Sorry to waste post space.
Jenn
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Yeah Jenn, I'm with you. You've said it all.
Peace!
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Peace!
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Peace!
Post by: Cayo Hueso on March 18, 2004, 12:15:00 AM
The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson
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Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2004, 12:40:00 AM
Can anybody out there see the forest through the trees? We're being set up for the biggest fall since Rome. Open your eyes people. We have sold our soul to the devil. The devil being the fat and protected central bankers, and the cost being our freedom. They tricked us into thinking that freedom is about Suvs and cheap goods. HA!!
Now they have you thinking that America's big issue is about Minorities. Give me a break. It is only another way to trick you into giving up more of your freedoms. And, Patriot, I think you will fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
The Contrarian
Post by: Cayo Hueso on March 18, 2004, 03:02:00 AM
I live in Florida, I love the cultural diversity. You can see by the screen name I picked. I could have just left it Key West, but part of what makes Key West such an amazing place IS the blending of cultures.
I'm also not saying non-Americans can't criticize America. I'm saying if you're going to come here illegally, don't bitch about how poorly you're treated by America and talk about how the whole place just fucking sucks and look at the stupid arrogant Americans etc.
Contrarian...I have no doubt that America will someday fall. Look at history...someone's on top, the 'leader' of the world, or at least the most powerful......then they're not. King of the Hill gets knocked off and there's a new King. It'll go on that way til the end of time. Right now we happen to be the most powerful (I do NOT mean that arrogantly, right now we are). Not all of what we as a country do is good, but it's not all bad either.
I felt like if anyone said ANYthing good about America, then we were told we're just fools and arrogant. Not true.
Preacher man don't tell me heaven is under the earth; you don't know what life is worth;.......If you know what life is worth, you will look for your's on earth.
--Bob Marley
Post by: Marina on March 18, 2004, 08:33:00 AM
Bagel and cream cheese, Nirvana, a fair salary, student organizations, the art museums, college volleyball, my American friends, a few clubs (although I'm not into the club scene anymore), the Broadway shows, theatre, Christopher Durang, watching the Hollywood movies first, good money, having boys pay for my drinks and then walking out on them, the highways, pop tarts, girls night out, the skaters, an international atmosphere, Dave Mathews Band, good make up, little glittery girly stuff, TJ Max, Americans gossip a lot less than Brazilians, coffee and books at Borders, the computer labs at the universities, making fun of the southern and the NY accents although they used to make fun of mine too, Superbowl Sundays at Hooters (and Yes, girls go to Hooters too), American punk rock, Georgetown and Adams Morgan, the African Americans (they are just really funny and sincere), the metro system, Abercrombie & Fitch, Eugene O'Neil, Tenessee Williams, the NBA, the Licoln Center, cherry blossoms, the fall of Maine, amusement parks like Bursh Gardens, the Disney complex and Six Flags, Bath and Body Works and the Body Shop, the Doors, music festivals, the Express, 2 MTVs, the mountains and canyons of the Mid-West, good radio stations, the Rainbow Gathering, "The Grapes of Wrath", good public libraries, an excellent costumer service, finantial aid for college, after-parties, no teens at the bars (I used to hate that, now I love it), having an ass when most American girls don't, making fun of American players who think that we fall for them, Long Island Ice Tea, breakfast at the "Dinners" after a long night, TGI Fridays, having a fat-free version of almost everything in the supermaket, Fresh & Fields, being in a country where the majority of the people belongs to the middle class, less sexism than in Brazil, garage sales, ... and the list goes on and on.
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Post by: Pete on March 18, 2004, 10:45:00 AM
Mean! Hope you didn't do that too often!
Elan is most definitely not American... perhaps 1950s American. It's sexist (girls degraded more than boys), racist (homeboys told to keep their "image" in check but hippies ignored), homophobic, anti-First Amendment in every way (self-explanatory) and depressing!
I have recently gained a lot of empathy for illegal immigrants. I commute to New York City on the train every day and many mornings I see immigrants (most probably illegal) standing on street corners waiting for possible day labor. I used to get very angry at some of them for never learning to speak English and for twice stealing my stuff at the laundromat, before we moved and got a washer/dryer. But recently, I've learned of the conditions and hopelessness they faced in Mexico and other countries and I feel bad for a lot of them. It's no wonder they wanted to get out. Ten people in a one-bedroom apartment is better than what they had in the old country. However, you should still obey the law and try to get legal before you hop the border. It's a delicate balance.
That being said, our national identity is eroding and that is disappointing -- because identity is what defines every great country. It is absurd to declare the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of the word "God." A world without a spiritual entity watching over us is no world I want to live in. It also is absurd to think the national language is anything other than English. If I moved to Italy, I certainly would not expect everyone around me to speak English for my benefit. In fact, I wouldn't expect them to speak anything other than Italian -- which I would learn. The same goes for Mexico, Spain, Russia or any other country. I would learn their language.
However, I also feel somewhat strange only speaking one language fluently (I know a smattering of French and I can curse you out in Chinese), so I'm trying to find a way to learn Spanish.
Do svedanya (Russian),
Petrov Moorichka
Post by: thepatriot on March 18, 2004, 11:14:00 AM
Post by: Marina on March 18, 2004, 12:37:00 PM
Anyways, I was on my way back from the gym and I though of other items I didn't include on my list of things I miss about America:
Madonna, being able to dye my hair blue and no one would notice me (of course, this applies for the urban areas), graffitti, the National parks, high-tech everything, cosmetics, Beasty Boys, Rage Against the Machine, last minute plane ticket bargains, no fence in front of the houses, white x-mas, those silly x-mas songs (they're annoying but unforgettable), jelly beans, cheese pretzels, Jack Daniels, the Grateful Dead, the blues of New Orleans, celebrating el cinco de mayo and el día de los muertos out of Mexico, Carnaval out of Brazil, St. Patrick's Day out of Ireland and Kwanza out of Africa, Malcom X, baggy jeans, Cherokee, NOFX, erasable pens, non-smoking policies that prevent us from second-hand smoking, caller ID, America believe it or not, is one of the most gay friendly countries in the world, only in America it's to an extent considered normal to see a blond chick with an African American, only in America you can basically sue anyone for the pettiest things and still get money from them, 4rth of july barbecues rock, Tom Hanks, "Hair", trick-a-treating in halloween, spring break, mardi gras, you can buy a water bong at regular shops, the Eagles, the best horror films, Greewich Village, Forrest Gump, harley davidsons, being able to say: "I don't give a damn" or "Whatever"when you're frustrated, speaking Portuguese with my friends and no one else would have a clue of what I was saying, "sex on the beach", screw drivers, tempeh sandwiches at Avogadro's number (that's in Colorado), Brophy's, Hendrix, The Mamas and the Papas, Friends, the Simpsons, ... OK, enough!!!
Peace!
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2004, 01:52:00 PM
OK, when you put it like that, you have a point. There is nothing worse than getting a girl drunk for that crap, because it's not consensual if she's drunk. Besides, you feel better about yourself if someone likes you with her own eyes, not beer goggles.
I thought you were just talking about using nice guys. I can't stand gold-digging women -- hell, my wife pays for me sometimes.
Yes, America is a very cool country in that perspective. Actually though, my favorite country is England. The dialect is just so endearing and the northern countryside is magnificent.
I wish RTP would come on here and call me a buncha more names. I miss the fun times!
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2004, 01:53:00 PM
When people question there love for our Country, it's time to listen. I'm sick of the lies and the idea that if you say something is true then it is. This country is going down the tubes, and i think the young people know it. They see the wcrewed up values and they experience the harsh realities of what our country has to offer.
Talk about brainwashing. Our military is the master at brainwashing. They feed you crap, so you will obey on command. You still believe your government is worth dying over. That's sickening. Our government is made up of murderers and theives, and if you believe one word that comes from them you are a fool.
I'm angry, not at anyone here,I'm angry that my children and grandchildren are being cheated out of their futures. I appreciate having a place to express it.
The Contrarian
Post by: thepatriot on March 18, 2004, 02:10:00 PM
Would I die for my goverment???? a soldier looks at it as dying for his country and countrymen ie:YOUR ASS so you can have your opinions, how many fucking times do I have to say it. I am not a Bush supporter I am not a bleeding heart lib, I am a independent somewhere in between. You sound like the type that sits at home and whines but never goes to the polls to do anything about it.
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Post by: Pete on March 18, 2004, 03:22:00 PM
Some people think if you're not a complete pinko, you're a fascist. Reminds me of college.
Thanks for the compliment.
Pete
Post by: thepatriot on March 18, 2004, 03:27:00 PM
Post by: Marina on March 18, 2004, 04:14:00 PM
No, Pete, I ain't no gold digger. I preffer to ride the bus with someone I enjoy being with than to ride a fucking Audi or whatever with someone I'm not attracted to. I care about deeper things than money, such as education, culture, the chemistry between us, character, personality, empathy and beauty (both inner and physical). Materialistic things I can get for myself.
Anyways, the British accent is rather charming. I've spent few days in London and I haven't been around England much, although it's definitely an interesting country. Next year, I'll be spending a semester in Europe and If I'm lucky enough, I'll make it to Italy cause that's where my family is from originally.
Peace!
Post by: thepatriot on March 18, 2004, 04:18:00 PM
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2004, 04:58:00 PM
Try to check out the southern tip of Italy near Bari. I have never been the the touristy areas, but the sunsets over the fields are magnificent down south. Plus Sofia Loren owns some disco down there. My friend and I were supposed to go but it rained that night and the owners wimped out. I don't know what it is about the rain that scares the Italians.
I'll never forget staying in the English countryside near Scarborough and watching from the picture window as the sheep got herded from one end of a field to another. It was another world... and a beautiful one. I stayed with a very friendly gay man. I must say, gay men are great hosts and good cooks too.
As for Audis... hey, my mom drives an Audi!... LOL :lol:
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2004, 05:26:00 PM
I will probably always strike a nerve with you and others, but I hope we can dialogue anyway. I know people don't want to hear that their cozy little lives might not be so cozy in the near future. I respect that. However, from some of the other stuff I read here, I think there's room for my unpopular opinion.
The Contrarian
Post by: ehm on March 18, 2004, 06:32:00 PM
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is super wal-mart american? is buying your tires, engagement ring and dinner at the same store while filling up your tank and having your oil changed american?
hahaha...
Post by: Therion on March 19, 2004, 06:00:00 AM
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On 2004-03-17 14:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
is super wal-mart american? is buying your tires, engagement ring and dinner at the same store while filling up your tank and having your oil changed american?
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Dont forget they sell guns too!!! For after the honeymoon :lol:
Post by: thepatriot on March 19, 2004, 08:31:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2004, 06:34:00 PM
On this we agree Patriot friend!
The Contrarian
Post by: Antigen on March 19, 2004, 09:21:00 PM
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""...we need to seperate ourselves as much as possible from the UN and the One World Order BS."
On this we agree Patriot friend!
The Contrarian"
Me too. And I think we'd all find even more common ground if we were to be a little more precise in our definitions.
"We", for example. Ya'll are using the pronoun interchangably to mean "we, Americans" and "our government". They're not the same thing. Never were. We've always been at odds w/ our government to a lessor or greater extent. America is really doing just fine and well. The USFG, otoh, is on some damned shakey ground. America will not cease to exist if/when our Federal government changes significantly. America existed some time before the Revolutionary War and will still exist through whatever comes next. When Rome fell, did Italians quit making wine?
About immigrants, remember that, had current immigration law been in place when our grandparents were young, all of our immigrant ancestors would have been illegal. The rules have changed a LOT more than the immigrants.
One of the best things about Cuban and Mexican immigrants to So. Florida is that they know a stupid communist scheme when they see one, even if the silly bastard at the podeum swears it's an original idea thunk up by some Republicrat or Dempublican.
I love my country but I fear my government.
I'm about ready to start flying a Gandsden flag like this one:
The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism.
--William Osler
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2004, 10:06:00 PM
Democracy - "a form of government in which the power resides in the people and is exercised by them either directly or by means of elected representatives."
This is why the term "we" is used interchangably. It does add to the complexity and the passion of the issues we discuss. I also love America; I also hate our government. I also know that Americans are responible for our government. American's will survive any and all crimes of our own government and the government of others. I survived cancer, it was hell, and I'm missing a couple parts as a result, but I survived.
Democracy - "a form of society which favors the tolerance of minority views."
Democracy is definately of shakey ground in this country. I can only wonder what will replace it when the dust settles.
Contrarian
Post by: Antigen on March 20, 2004, 09:49:00 AM
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Cato
In 1997, a Marine Corps anti-drug patrol operating under the so-called drug war exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act, shot and killed an 18-year-old American high school student who was herding goats near his family's farm in Redford, Texas. Wider use of the military to fight the war on terror on the home front could lead to similar incidents.
http://www.cato.org/dailys/03-19-04.html (http://www.cato.org/dailys/03-19-04.html)
If you think it can't happen here, we're halfway there.
Just look at what's going on in Haiti right now. Their US backed thug military has overthrown the Aristide government yet again. This is how our military has been used throughout the Caribean and Central and South America for decades.
Patriot, I agree with you, few US soldiers could be convinced to draw down on their own home town neighbors, even under direct orders to do so. But that's not a real logistical problem to our brilliant military minds who might want to use our military for domestic control. They simply send the boys from Ohio out to put down those pinkos in California and the boys from California to put down the right-wing reactionaries in the South., etc., etc.
Give me the youth, and Germany will rule the world.
--Hitler