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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 07, 2004, 07:05:00 PM
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What did the five fingers say to the face?? SLAP!!
I'm RICK JAMES BIATCH!!
...Cocaine is one hell of a drug
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You think that joke's funny because...???
Fuck cocaine!!! That comment was extremmely unecessary, especially considering the depth of the situation in which most of us got sent to Elan to begin with. If you do that shit, fine. Good for you, keep going on that road, I could care less. I'm not gonna run my mouth with some fake moralism. If it makes you happy, then who am I to discuss its side effects? I'm pretty sure you can figure it out for yourself. All I'm asking is please, find a rather appropriate forum to talk about cocaine, OK? Some people have actually moved on from it and they don't want to read that shit. More repect, please.
Peace!
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Marina, whoever the guy who wrote this was just copying a routine from the "Chappelle Show" on Comedy Central. It's a damn funny routine if you see it in context. Whoever the anonymous person who wrote this is funny. As someone who has struggled with addiction, I am not offended at all. Black Gay Jew was talking about this stuff earlier on here.
Don't worry about this guy.
Oh BTW, Mr. Anonymous, do the R. Kelly routine next. Or how about Prince trying to play basketball? LMAO.
"I guess one time I dug my feet into his couch... I'M RICK JAMES BITCH!" LOL
We all need evil humor on this board.
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Hey Pete, thanks for enlighting me, I wasn't familiar with the show. To be quite honest with you, I don't find those American talk-shows particularly funny. Then again, this is just me, I have a rather anti-commencial cultural taste and I don't get easily amazed. I respect the fact that some people might find the shit funny, I mean, If this type of "evil humour" turns you on, who am I to discuss it? Some people got to have a good laugh reading Nazi's comments and I didn't. People are different, what can I say? It doesn't mean I'm any better, it's culture, we are different.
Pete, I've been reading some of your posts and I find them very well written and you made pretty good points. No wonder you're a journalist. Anyways, I just want you to keep it in perspective the fact that we live in different worlds and there's a huge cultural barrier standing in between us. I was missunderstood in Elan many times because of that and I don't want you to get the wrong idea. I just don't find this stereotypical "American Humour"funny that's all.
Peace!
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That was my post, don't know why it came up as Anonymous.
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Hi Marina,
I hear you and thank you for the generous compliments. One thing my therapist is trying to drill in my head is that most jokes (American, I'm sure) are at the expense of others. But I often find people (especially my wife) offended by things I say, so maybe I'm the insensitive one. I know I have a rather outlandish and probably immature sense of humor and have never meant it to be disrespectful, but often it comes across that way. Does the media in America fuel it? Probably. Hopefully, I will turn it into a great standup comedy act one day.
I understand we live in different cultures and sometimes it's hard to understand one another. From my perspective, it is all too telling when I see British people online calling us "Yankee pig fuckers" and the like. I am not a Bush backer (I think he's incredibly dangerous) but I can understand how we are stereotyped overseas and in other countries.
Brazil sounds like a beautiful place, by the way. When I was in college, I worked alongside a number of Brazilian immigrants and was always struck by their generosity and kindness.
I greatly respect the peace and tolerance you bring to this board. I'm sorry you won't be able to make it to Philly.
Take care,
Pete
[ This Message was edited by: Peter Moore on 2004-03-08 09:37 ]
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I just don't find this stereotypical "American Humour"funny that's all.
seeing as a stereotype is an OVER SIMPLIFIED OPPINION, affective attitude or UNCRITICAL judgement (as of a person, a race, an issue or event); why are you stereotyping anyone??? or our country?????????
your a cool chik marina but dont stereotype.
SyN
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I see your point, Syn, but it's kind of hard not to. I consider myself to be a very critical person and I do my best not to generalize. I used the words "the stereotypical American humour" specifically because they are not all the same. However, we can't ingore that there are some characteristics that are typically American. These characteristics (both positive and negative) are a part of the American culture. I love certain things about the American culture, especially the music, but I dislike others. Do you see what I'm saying?
Maybe I don't know all about the American humour, but do you? You certainly know a lot more about it than I do, cause you were born and raised in the States, this is your culture, not mine. Yet I may say that I know a lot more about it than a Brazilian dude who's lived in Brazil for all his/her life, you know what I mean? And of course, you have more back up information to base your judgement than the Brazilian dude, but he/she is still entitled to have an opinion about Americans overall. Where does this information come from? The media, the American tourists that come to Brazil every summer (believe me, there are plenty), the American impact on our economy, the international relations, the influence in the music, the movies, etc.
Of course this is general, as it's looked from one specific perspective. But you ask a Brazilian, an Italian, a Japanese or whoever else, their view on the American culture will be pretty similar to one another. Are they generalizing? Yes. Are they wrong? No. This is how America is percieved from an international stand point.
Hey Pete, I don't think you're insensitive by the way. If you think it's funny, you have all the right to laugh. I must admitt I tend to be more sensitive than most people, but it's ok. Yeah, I wish I could make it to Philly but I gotta keep my priorities in perspective. I'm finishing college and this is not the right time for me. Anyways, it's a pitty, I'd love to meet you all and get to have these discussions in person sitting in a bar or something. It doesn't mean it won't happen, only not this time.
Peace!
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Damn! I thought I was logged in.
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all these country's hate us, but when they need money or any other support wo gets asked first? America, how much has Brazil gotten from the states in the last ten years i wonder??? think its worth looking up? i bet it is.
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so because they accept help from us they have to like everything about us?
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Hey, I wouldn't go there If I were you, your lunatic president has been killing lots of innocent people over the past few years. I'm not blaming the citizens, that'd be bullshit, but don't talk about helping people cause the war on Iraq wouldn't have happened If it wasn't for the oil. Anyways, as far as Brazil, what a great work your government has been doing in the Amazon, hu? If exploiting our natural resources and trying to take the Amazon forest away from us is all the help your government can give us, then who needs this kind of help?
OK, so your government is making huge mistakes. That doesn't mean we all hate America, your music and the movie industry is very much appreciated here in Brazil. Almost every child's dream is to go to Disney World. Guess what music they play in clubs here in Brazil? American hip-hop! Well, I particularly preffer the American classic rock. My point is, it's a love-hate relationship and whoever posted the last message is totally right, we don't have to like EVERYTHING about America, let's leave it at that.
Peace!
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Yeah i agree monatary help has nothing to do with it, i just hate this new fad of America bashing thats going on. But with a man like bush in office i can see how its hard not to. And with gods help he will be just like his father and out in the next election.
SyN
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That has to be one of the funniest things I have seen in a long time, the Chappel show's reinactment of Eddie Murphy's brother and Rick James feud circa the 70s.
what is especially funny about it is the retelling by Murphy and James as they would then act it out, docudrama style.
I have watched it twice already and will watch it again every chance I get. What a fucking riot!!!
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True my government is not perfect but corruption in goverment extends far beyond the borders of the united States. South America for instance, some of the most corrupt goverments in the world exist there. Besides without the industry and technology the United States exports many countrys would be far below a third world status. You may dislike us, but I have worked south of the border and the crime is terrible, local goverments and police are all corrupt there. So I guess we are not all that bad. Look at 9/11 other countries would do the same to protect themselves if they had the means.
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No shit, there's massive corruption in South America. There's violence in the urban areas of South America and quite frankly, I don't think it's very different from the urban areas in the States. The difference is that the US government has been invading a space that doesn't belong to them, by declaring war on Iraq, killing thousands of civilians on Iraq and Afghanistan. Have you noticed how many protests throughout the World, United States included, against Bush and the war??? By the way, how did Bush win the elections???? I still remember that scandal. How can a country with a technology as high as the US not use eletronic devices for voting? I'll tell you why: corruption. So, we are even. No, I'm not saying it's the same shit, but Corruption exists everywhere: It exists in South America, it exists in the US and it exists in the rest of the world. It's a fact.
As far as Brazil goes, your dear government wants to declare the Amazon forest an "international zone", which would transform our most important natural/economic resource into "no one's land", so in that way, they'd legalize the exploitation that they've been doing for decades.
Anyways, my point is, maybe you like your president. I don't. If you travel abroad, ask anyone and they'll have the same opinion. Maybe it's just me, but I'm under the impression that most American citizens that actually care for politics tend to dislike Bush as well.
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Your definately entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I never said I liked Bush, and as far as the election goes, Gore was just unwilling to admit defeat. I travel abroad frequently, personally I get sick of the way people turn their noses up at Americans. France Germany etc.....yeah our government is far from perfect but it works better than most other places. Our tax dollars go all over the world to feed and protect other nations so they can bad mouth Americans that is their choice. And as far as Iraq and Afganistan goes...well I served and what you watch in your liberal media...is far from what is really going on there. They dont show you the people that appretiate being freed from opression only the very few that wanted it to continue the way it was so they could continue to rape and pillage. I still have very close friends there so please do your home work befor you start with me on the whole Afgan, Iraq thing.
[ This Message was edited by: thepatriot on 2004-03-11 03:30 ]
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And by the way that shows what you don't know about American citizens!
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wasnt it brazilian politicians who were caught funneling billions of aid dollars that was for the people into private swiss acounts? thats right it was. there's some good politicians for the people, should we take lessons from them? i'll say bush does suck and he is corrupt but when some 3rd world full of corruption wants to blast this country when they dont even have a pot to piss in, we'll somethings wrong.
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and i bet if they were a super power like The United States everyone would hate them too.
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Rick James should be president. Drugs and prostitution would be legalized and heavily regulated thereby wiping out all kinds of crime.
The fact that he can't put two sentences together shouldn't matter -- neither can Dubya.
"I'M RICK JAMES BITCH!!"
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Dear Mr. Patriot,
I never once referred to Brazil as a non-corrupt government. I'm very well aware of what goes on in my country, believe me. The only difference is Brazil doesn't declare war on other countries over oil. I've seen the pictures of lots of civilians that were killed by your government in both Iraq and Afhganistan. What's curious about it it's that the magazines were American.
What opression are you referring to, Bush's or Saddam's? Why is that the whole world is talking about no sufficient evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq? (If you were there, maybe you could enlight me). I'm sorry, Mr. Patriot, but I did my homework, I've read way too many articles on this fucking war and for some strange reason, the whole world seems to think that the chemical weapons were just a lame excuse to invade Iraq and take possesion of the oil. Maybe the world hasn't done its homework.
If I'm entitled to have an opinion like you said, please debate this on a rather respectful manner cause I'm getting the feeling that you're not. I don't even know how this discussion has been getting so political, maybe it's my fault and I do apologize. Let's just drop it cause this is not really getting anywhere. I do respect the fact that you've served and all so maybe you see this entire situation from a different perspective, but I read the paper everyday, I too have done a lot of travelling (including the five years that I've spent living in the States), I watch the news (not just the Brazilian) and I'm very entitled to disagree with you.
So Pete... Are you in favour of legalizing drugs and prostitution? Have you been to Amsterdam? It's pretty cool over there.
Peace!
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you guys have to admit that the second season of chapelle is not quite as clever as the first, i hate to admit it but i think he may be running out of ideas already, or running out of good ideas anyway
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Dave Chappelle is getting better not worse.JMO
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The neews papers you read are nothing more than propaganda and liberal spin
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Ummmm... I read the New York Post (conservative), the Daily News (neutral) and the New York Times (liberal) on a regular basis. Out of all those papers, the Post seems the most wacked. But I respect some of their coverage. They have cojones... I'll say that much.
However, the bastion of conservative journalism, The Washington Times, is owned by the News World Communications, a front name for the Moonies. Between this, Straight and Amway, the Republicans just support too much crap. And they say Howard Stern poisons minds?
Marina, yes, my mother lived in Amsterdam for two years and I visited her there twice. However, I gave up drugs a long time ago and I was in a long-term relationship both times, so I didn't experience much of the ummm... counterculture... ha ha... (although that sex museum was hysterical). The biggest crime I worried about was being pickpocketed. Legalizing the previously mentioned industries would do wonders for the American economy (taxes, safety issues, etc.) and deal a blow to the issues of enslavement, murder and other horrible crimes.
To the others, Chappelle is damn funny, any way you slice it. But yes, the R. Kelly thing in the first year was the funniest.
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Most news papers by in large are owned by liberal media outlets...Like I said propaganda the kind of crap Hillary, fat drunk Chappaquiddick Teddy Kennedy and James Carvel and the rest of the communist bunch
would like you to believe. And the worst offender of them all CNN (Clinton News Network) Owned by that excentric fuck Ted Turner who has no buisness even being a US Citizen. Fox News yep atleast it is balanced reporting more so tham the rest. Howar d Stern...entertainment twisted at times but yet entertaining.
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There's a huge difference between a Bush hater and an America hater. I'm a Bush hater, by all means, just like a lot of Americans. And I'm a peace lover!
Yes Pete, it'd be really cool If we could have the prostitutes and the drug industry pay taxes and work like regular citizens the same way they do in Amsterdam. I must admitt that it's much easier to administrate the situation and keep it under control in a country as small as Holland as opposed to big countries such as Brazil and the States. However, that would possibly put an end to all the violence and corruption related to the narco-traffic as well as prostitution. I don't believe today's society is quite ready for it, but If we think long-term, it's quite possible. What's your opinion?
Peace!
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Well, we're not ready for a full-scale legalization -- not with all the trafficking of cocaine, heroin, etc. If we started with marijuana (made it some really good quality bud -- ha ha) and sanctioned certain types, nobody would feel the need to smuggle or risk going to jail. We wouldn't have to say marijuana is "good" or "safe" -- because we all know it damages your lungs and kills your brain cells in large quantities. We would advocate responsibility -- like the liquor industry.
Prostitution should be regulated to one-person small businesses with laws about protection, etc.
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On 2004-03-14 08:57:00, Peter Moore wrote:
"Well, we're not ready for a full-scale legalization -- not with all the trafficking of cocaine, heroin, etc.
The reason there is so much trafficking is BECAUSE it's illegal. No one is going to run out and start shooting smack the day it's legal ized who wasn't into doing it before then.
You're a control freak. I hear there's 12 step groups that can help.
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Just leave, you fucking moron. This is not your forum. You didn't go to Elan. You're simply harassing me because of my group membership, which we discussed in another forum. So why don't you just demonize me completely? So just leave.
Oh and by the way, the reason for not allowing full-scale legalization at first is to get rid of the dangerous contaminated drugs on the street -- not because of trafficking. But people who assume first and ask questions later wouldn't know that kind of stuff.
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Peter, you should know better than anyone that you can't try and kick someone out of a forum simply because he didn't attend that particular program. I've had plenty of discussions here and you've never tried to stop me, don't try and stop someone else because you don't like what they're saying.
What is a committee? A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to do the unnecessary.
-- Richard Harkness, The New York Times, 1960
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If we started with marijuana (made it some really good quality bud -- ha ha) and sanctioned certain types, nobody would feel the need to smuggle or risk going to jail.
Yes they would, O 12 Step Guru of All Drug-Related Knowledge-- most heroin users that I hung out with could give a flying fuck about smoking pot, and the same was true for most of the coke fiends as well. Also the incredible black market profit on the shit would remain, so the smuggling would keep going on.
We wouldn't have to say marijuana is "good" or "safe" -- because we all know it damages your lungs and kills your brain cells in large quantities. We would advocate responsibility -- like the liquor industry.
Marijuana has never been shown to destroy brain cells, you knee-jerk, myth-spouting, Stepcraft-practicing buffoon. When smoked through a waterpipe, or better yet, a vaporizer, the irritation to lung tissue is so minimal as to be insignificant. As for looking to the liquor industry as a role model for the responsible use of drugs, your NA dogma-filled head is firmly entrenched up your treatment industry worshipping ass, sharing an apartment with Bill W.'s dick.
Prostitution should be regulated to one-person small businesses with laws about protection, etc.
Yeah, that would prevent the exploitation of women. That's why no prostitutes ever choose to work in licensed brothels like the Mustang Ranch in Nevada or the Red Light district of Amsterdam. Legalizing it but only allowing independent, 'one-person' small businesses would be easy prey for ripoffs, abuses, anddomination by leechlike pimps. You wouldn't get laid either way, so I don't know why you even bother mentioning it.
"Just leave, you fucking moron. This is not your forum. You didn't go to Elan. You're simply harassing me because of my group membership, which we discussed in another forum.
Don't even try to tell me what to do, 12-Step. I've had more than my share of control-freak authority-worshipping Program Nazis trying to tell me what to do, and I damn sure ain't gonna listen to some AA crackpot who can't decide what to eat for breakfast without consutling that partner in cultism, his Sponsor.
So why don't you just demonize me completely? So just leave.
OK, I will. (demonize you completely, that is. I won't be leaving at your insistence,no way) How's the above for starters, you freedom-hating purveyor of 12-Step nonsense and other forms of control freak fetishes?
Oh and by the way, the reason for not allowing full-scale legalization at first is to get rid of the dangerous contaminated drugs on the street -- not because of trafficking.
That would explain why the purity and availability of street heroin has steadily increased in the US during last decade.
But people who assume first and ask questions later wouldn't know that kind of stuff
I guess you would have expert knowledge regarding people who spout off without first researching the facts, you would-be recovery movement guru, you.
Have an average life. :wave:
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Your sponsor says it's OK for you to drink
[ This Message was edited by: RTP2003 on 2004-03-14 16:45 ]
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On 2004-03-14 16:30:00, Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
"what is with the straight posters and their quotes.. I mean do all of you kats keep a book of quotes next to your computers? So that u can fire something un-original in order to prove your point??? I mean no disrespect, however it gets kinda old after a while....
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it's an automatic feature. it inserts a RANDOM quote at the end of your post. Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after having given him so much as you propose. If today he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him,--"I see no probability of the British invading us"; but he will say to you, "Be silent: I see it, if you don't."
--Abraham Lincoln
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On 2004-03-14 13:09:00, cayohueso wrote:
"Peter, you should know better than anyone that you can't try and kick someone out of a forum simply because he didn't attend that particular program. I've had plenty of discussions here and you've never tried to stop me, don't try and stop someone else because you don't like what they're saying. What is a committee? A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to do the unnecessary.
-- Richard Harkness, The New York Times, 1960
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I wouldn't try to get him to leave if he wasn't posting with the sole purpose of needling me. It's not really the issue that's important to him -- it's his anger at certain programs. Whatever the problem is -- I'm not the cause. And in a respectful conversation between two Elanites... his hateful intervention isn't welcome.
I'm sorry for blowing my stack though. Doesn't set a very good example.
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Wow! You're a fabulous example of someone who DEFINITELY needs some kind of program. You don't even know me, pal, and yet you're making all these judgements about me, not to mention taking out all your frustration of 12-step programs on one very average member who never once claimed to be a guru.
On 2004-03-14 16:40:00, RTP2003 wrote:
" If we started with marijuana (made it some really good quality bud -- ha ha) and sanctioned certain types, nobody would feel the need to smuggle or risk going to jail.
"Yes they would, O 12 Step Guru of All Drug-Related Knowledge-- most heroin users that I hung out with could give a flying fuck about smoking pot, and the same was true for most of the coke fiends as well."
Wasn't talking about heroin or coke pal. I was talking about pot.
Also the incredible black market profit on the shit would remain, so the smuggling would keep going on.
Not nearly on as large a scale. I mean, sure, there's illegal everything, but is moonshine a huge enterprise? Also did you ever see someone die from doing a bad patch of Percocet?
We wouldn't have to say marijuana is "good" or "safe" -- because we all know it damages your lungs and kills your brain cells in large quantities. We would advocate responsibility -- like the liquor industry.
Marijuana has never been shown to destroy brain cells, you knee-jerk, myth-spouting, Stepcraft-practicing buffoon.
Ouch, harsh, don't know if I can recover from that. You don't even know me... yet in having having this kind of knowledge, I wonder if you're obsessed. Based on your assumptions, it's fair to say that it's people like you who bring prejudice to the world.
"When smoked through a waterpipe, or better yet, a vaporizer, the irritation to lung tissue is so minimal as to be insignificant.
Where's your MD? Also many people don't smoke it like that? Ever see a cancer patient who was prescribed anything other than marijuana cigarettes?
"As for looking to the liquor industry as a role model for the responsible use of drugs, your NA dogma-filled head is firmly entrenched up your treatment industry worshipping ass, sharing an apartment with Bill W.'s dick."
I don't go to NA. Too much talk about stuff I don't identify with and too many bad seeds. You go to AA to get sober, you go to NA to get laid. You're a pretty bad stalker. Oh, and in case you've watched TV or read a magazine lately, every ad is accompanied with an admonishment for responsibility.
Prostitution should be regulated to one-person small businesses with laws about protection, etc.
Yeah, that would prevent the exploitation of women. That's why no prostitutes ever choose to work in licensed brothels like the Mustang Ranch in Nevada or the Red Light district of Amsterdam. Legalizing it but only allowing independent, 'one-person' small businesses would be easy prey for ripoffs, abuses, anddomination by leechlike pimps."
Not in Amsterdam it doesn't. And even so, the problem would be reduced. Anyway, it's called a rough draft.
"You wouldn't get laid either way, so I don't know why you even bother mentioning it."
I don't need hookers. I'm married, pal... quite happily.
"Just leave, you fucking moron. This is not your forum. You didn't go to Elan. You're simply harassing me because of my group membership, which we discussed in another forum.
"Don't even try to tell me what to do, 12-Step."
My name's Pete (not "12-step") and I have a life. The 12 steps are not who I am... I guess you learned the abusive treatment center philosophy well of stripping away someone's identity and passing down the abuse.
"I've had more than my share of control-freak authority-worshipping Program Nazis trying to tell me what to do,"
So don't take it out on me, pal. I'm not your problem. You waltz into a perfectly pleasant discussion between people who went to Elan and decide to hate-bomb it. Don't expect to be welcomed with open arms.
"and I damn sure ain't gonna listen to some AA crackpot who can't decide what to eat for breakfast without consutling that partner in cultism, his Sponsor."
I talk to my sponsor about once a month. You really know nothing about me. I make my own decisions. I've got 10 1/2 years sober and I have a brain.
So why don't you just demonize me completely? So just leave.
OK, I will. (demonize you completely, that is. I won't be leaving at your insistence,no way) How's the above for starters, you freedom-hating purveyor of 12-Step nonsense and other forms of control freak fetishes?
This is getting scary that you claim to know this much about me.
Oh and by the way, the reason for not allowing full-scale legalization at first is to get rid of the dangerous contaminated drugs on the street -- not because of trafficking.
That would explain why the purity and availability of street heroin has steadily increased in the US during last decade.
And how many people still drop dead of overdoses? I guess we can really trust the guy on the corner to sell us the "good shit."
But people who assume first and ask questions later wouldn't know that kind of stuff
I guess you would have expert knowledge regarding people who spout off without first researching the facts, you would-be recovery movement guru, you.
I have expert knowledge of taking shit from hateful people like you, thanks to Elan. I'm no guru. I go to three meetings a week, if I'm lucky. However, I'm active in service and I help others mainly by identifying and letting them know I'm in the same boat... not preaching. You must have gone to some really bad meetings pal. Feel sorry for you.
Have an average life. :wave:
Wow, you're really miserable. Can't even wish me well. Hope life gets better for you. I made a peaceful observation in another forum, too bad you couldn't have been as respectful. But then again, to you, I'm not human, right? There is no need for hate here (and I'm big enough to say I was wrong for making the "fucking moron" comment) -- there was enough hate in our respective treatment facilities
By the way, I didn't give you the right to blow my anonymity in another forum, did I? Tsk tsk, perhaps I should send the AA Gestapo after you... oh wait, they don't exist.
Nailed it, Peter. Thanks for trying, though.
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"Legalizing it but only allowing independent, 'one-person' small businesses would be easy prey for ripoffs, abuses, anddomination by leechlike pimps."
Oh, and allowing large enterprises wouldn't? I can see Tony Soprano at the top of one.
These micro-businesses also could unionize. That works in Amsterdam. Hell, they get offended if you call them "prostitutes." They're "sex workers" -- and many seem proud of their trade. But then again, since RTP claims I hate freedom, I can't be for unions, right?
Anyway, this is a pipe dream. It'll never happen -- too many conservatives to stop it.
Marina, I hope you appreciate my reply because it brought a very angry heckler into the conversation.
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[ This Message was edited by: Peter Moore on 2004-03-14 21:31 ]
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What the fuck is your problem, dude? Can't we have a decent conversation without some freak judging us? Aren't we entitled to have an opinion? This is getting ridiculous.
Peace!
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Finally a good heated debate for all ages. :lol:
RTP is up one though.
SyN
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RTP and Cayo: Take a break from this and jump over to the straight forum for a minute, where you belong. :lol:
And Sheik - Cool Avatar. Notice I ain't got no random quote activated...Shalom!
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Bite me baby :grin: . I'll go where ever I like. :wink: :lol:
Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundation, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.
James Madison
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Lol...j/k, and I know that you know that. :cool:
But seriously, I'm getting into it over there... Let's go over there for a little while, and then you can continue to make your rounds, ok? :em:
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On 2004-03-14 20:39:00, Peter Moore wrote:
And how many people still drop dead of overdoses? I guess we can really trust the guy on the corner to sell us the "good shit."
No, Peter, you can hardly ever trust the guy on the corner. Because what he and his customers are doing is illegal, they can't keep open records. No lot numbers, no licensing agencies, no quality control and no manufacturor's mark or contact info.
That's why we need to get the guys off the corners. And there's only one proven method for doing that; competition from legitimate business.
We just have to take the cops and robbers out of the game.He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion.
James Burgh 1774
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I agree 100%.
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I agree 420%. :lol:
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I agree too. If Imclone and Pfizer competed over cannabis production, a quality, reasonably safe product would be available and the underworld would be crushed.
But it needs to happen over time to eliminate the street trade. That's why one should start with marijuana and move on.
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It is definetly the longest prohibition in the U.S. Maybe if we had tommy guns and fedoras we could work it out better.
SyN
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On 2004-03-15 13:46:00, Peter Moore wrote:
"I agree too. If Imclone and Pfizer competed over cannabis production, a quality, reasonably safe product would be available and the underworld would be crushed.
But it needs to happen over time to eliminate the street trade. That's why one should start with marijuana and move on.
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I don't follow your reasoning. Why would it take time to eliminate the street trade? When Alcohol prohibition ended, the bars opened and the bootleggers were out of business overnight. It was a real problem for the distributors, especially, who then had to unionize in order to compete for work in a licit market. That's where the Teamsters originally came from.
And I can't see Imclone or Pfizer (or even GW and Eli Lilly) competing to grow cannabis. It's just too easy to grow and it's not patentable. There would be no more profit in legal cannabis than there is in tomatos. Now, cannabis preparations are another story. GW has already completed very successful patient testing on a sublingual spray made from whole herb estract for treatment of MS and/or Epilepsy (I'd have to look it up, it's been awhile since the news broke)
There's profit in that, but not like Prozac where the compounds are patented and licensed. More like the profit in Bayer Asprin. Sure, you could strip some bark from a willow tree, boil it down and drink the decoction. But that's a lot of trouble and you'd never know exactly what dose you were getting or if it were contaminated w/ compounds other than the asprin you want.
There is not a "fragment" in all nature, for every relative fragment of one thing is a full harmonious unit in itself.
-- John Muir
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Hey Sheik, until its legalized why don't your dumb ass friends find some legal work to feed their families then they won't have to worry about the FEDS raiding them and taking their kids. To put your family in that type of unsafe situation is foolish and selfish.
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On 2004-03-15 15:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey Sheik, until its legalized why don't your dumb ass friends find some legal work to feed their families then they won't have to worry about the FEDS raiding them and taking their kids. To put your family in that type of unsafe situation is foolish and selfish."
Holy sheep shit, Batman! :eek:
Did you just try amd play the Sheik on the "you did the necessary things" scam? Why not just throw his ass on the floor and have about 5 guys sit on him for a few hours. Then he'll surely come around to your way of thinking.
To what notion of this country do you consider yourself a patriot? John Ashcroft's and John Poindexter's?
A vote for Büsh is a vote for America's Führer!
Heil Büsh!
[I think we need a Nazi gremlin]
Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.
--Mark Twain
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Why do I get the feeling that as soon as the conversation is actually getting productive, there must be some freak making offensive comments? Please, let's ignore the jabs and get back to the subject. You guys were making rather interesting points and I want to hear them.
Peace!
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Right on, Mrs. Antigen! :nworthy:
[ This Message was edited by: Marina on 2004-03-15 18:47 ]
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Thanks yo! I just corrected it.
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Hell, just don't call me late for dinner. :wave:
Freedom has a thousand charms to show, That slaves, howe'er contented, never know.
William Cowper, a British Christian poet & hymn writer (18th century)
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::noway:: OK, I'm embarrased now. Sorry about that, Ginger.
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Huh? How come?
Since you [US "drug tsar" McCaffrey] control a federal budget that has just been increased from $17.8 billion last year to $19.2 billion this year, is asking people like you if we should continue with our nation's current drug policy like a person asking a barber if one needs a haircut? --
Orange Country, California
Los Angeles Times
29 March 2000
--Judge James P. Gray
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Ginger,
Re. ImClone/Pfizer question: More of a brainstorm than anything. I guess they wouldn't make much more than the occasional derivative -- and maybe not even that. The company more likely to manufacture cannabis is probably located somewhere near Lynchburg, Tennessee.
But re. anything stronger than marijuana being immediately legalized. Unlike alcohol, bad batches are rampant. The street shit is all over. We need to sit back and study these things first. Think of the backlashes. I'm not saying there may not be benefits to legalizing cocaine, heroin, etc. But it might not be all good either. I don't pretend to have all the answers.
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On 2004-03-16 09:06:00, Peter Moore wrote:
We need to sit back and study these things first. Think of the backlashes. I'm not saying there may not be benefits to legalizing cocaine, heroin, etc. But it might not be all good either. I don't pretend to have all the answers.
First, real kudos to you for having the sack to breach these difficult questions. As a local public office holder, that really does show some courage. :nworthy:
But re. anything stronger than marijuana being immediately legalized. Unlike alcohol, bad batches are rampant. The street shit is all over.
Sure, now! But when alcohol was illegal, bathtub gin was a real problem. People routinely went blind or even died from drinking hooch boosted w/ wood alcohol or just accidentally contaminated in the manufacturing process. That problem was solved when we reopened the market to legal manufactore and trade.
Same thing is going on with opiates and stimulants. No one ever gets a "bad" batch of Oxy or Addaral. Only the black market stuff hits the retail purchaser w/o proper dose and content labeling or contaminated w/ foreign matter.
Now, I'm not saying that opiates and stimulants, or even benzodiazepines and other drugs are as safe as marijuana. They're not. But I am saying that prohibition of them does nothing to make them either safer or less availaible. In fact, it goes a long way toward making them less safe and more available to those we most don't want to have them; children.
Your beer distributor will not sell beer to your child. The dope dealer will. In fact, it's less risky that way cause kids can't be prosecuted like adults so the law has less leverage to get information out of them.
There is no drug so dangerous that it can't be made more so through prohibition.
Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind...it doesn't matter!
-- Chuck Gauran
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I don't think I'll be calling you for a late night dinner, Ginger, maybe a bagel with cream chesse at one of those typically American coffee shops would sound terrific. Dude, I miss them!
Anyways, back to the weed... Well, when I was backpacking in Europe, I noticed there were coffee shops that sold weed in places such as London and Brussels. The idea is to slowly adapt to the Amsterdam system. I remember watching about it in the news, but then again, I'd have to research about it for legal details. In case the legalization happens to spread throghout Europe, I'm assuming that the US should be next. Then, hopefully, Brazil. It's a difficult issue at least down here, since the politians are actually the ones financing the drug traffic. Anyways, I'm just curious, maybe some of you guys are familiar with this.
Peace!
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Oh, I think you misunderstood my pun. I meant go ahead and call me anything you like, except for too late for dinner. I'm sure it's a local thing.
Anyway, I think we Americans are going to have to put an end to this stupid drug war. Most other nations in the world already reject it. But our government keeps bullying them into compliance w/ trade sanctions, threats and withdrawal of various kinds of aid and support. If you want a good read on the history and current realities of prohibition, Mike Gray's Drug Crazy is a pretty good read. Or just go to http://narconews.com/ (http://narconews.com/) * Take special note of an organization called Drug Policy Network of the Americas - DPNA. It's essentially an alter-ego of Drug Free America Foundation; the organization formerly known as Straight, Inc.
Now, I know this might sound outlandish and a little paranoid, but I've come to the conclusion that the driving force behind continuing prohibition is made up largely of the same people and organizations that initially set about to spread the Synanon model across the country at public expense over 30 years ago. Exploring and exposing that remains my primary interest in the Program.
*While I consider Al Giordano to be somewhere left of the Zapatistas and do not agree with very many of his proposed solutions to the various problems he addresses, Narco News is about the only journalistic endevour that I know of to do a good job of just covering some of the more important facts of the issue.
Come in the evening, or come in the morning; Come when you 're looked for, or come without warning.
-- Thomas O. Davis (1814-1845): The Welcome.
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2004-03-17 10:10 ]
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Has anyone heard about the drug war in Rio??? If any of you happened to watch "City of God", that movie gives you a brief idea of what goes on in Rio. Do you know what scares us the most? The fear of a lost bullet. Innocent people that die just because they happened to be at the wrong place in the wrong time. By the way, If you're thinking of visiting Rio, don't worry, you'll be safe, since the drug war shouldn't go any further than the shanty towns up the hills. Trust me, they are far from the postcards.
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im lost..lol
cocaine...I heard makes people &**&& peww.... america stereo type...dont know whats going on...
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On 2004-03-17 18:05:00, Marina wrote:
" Has anyone heard about the drug war in Rio??? If any of you happened to watch "City of God", that movie gives you a brief idea of what goes on in Rio. Do you know what scares us the most? The fear of a lost bullet. Innocent people that die just because they happened to be at the wrong place in the wrong time. By the way, If you're thinking of visiting Rio, don't worry, you'll be safe, since the drug war shouldn't go any further than the shanty towns up the hills. Trust me, they are far from the postcards. "
No, I didn't know things were heating up particularly in Rio. But it sounds just like So. Florida. If you're very wealthy and you can afford to live or stay within about a half mile of the beach or in one of the many gated country club communities, you'll think you fell into a post card. The other 1.9 million or so residents live in a war zone.
Case in point:
http://www.local10.com/news/2097080/detail.html (http://www.local10.com/news/2097080/detail.html)
http://www.sheriff.org/about_bso/other/ ... llings.cfm (http://www.sheriff.org/about_bso/other/memoriam/billings.cfm)
This murder occured within eyesight of the back door of the house we'd lived in till just around a year before. My sister sold the place for $75k, but that was the very first offer after the house had been on the market for less than a week. (long story, no we were not at all happy w/ the way the executrix has handled my dad's estate) More recently, the house sold for around $130k. This place is about 1.5 mi from the ocean by road, about .5 mi as the ghetto bird flies. (and they do run routine helicopter searches in that neighborhood... just looking around in people's yards with search lights)
There's a lot more to this story than attempted hubcap theft, as you can imagine. The victim turned out to be the younger brother of a DEA agent working in Bolivia. Phillip left Bolivia for the relative safety of So. Florida after his older brother's cover was blown somehow and the family started drawing credible death threats. The two young men "found" dead of "apparent" murder suicide were most likely executed by police.
How do I know this? Well, my daughter worked at a local gym at the time where a lot of BSO officers worked out. In their casual discussion immediately following the incident, no one ever even considered if one of the 4k cops who made a show of force had something to do w/ these boys' deaths, but only whether or not it was justified. Besides, the police version of the story was just rediculous.
They say they (meaning a half dozen or so of these out of town, off duty officers) just happened to be hanging out together near a shopping center 20 or so miles north of the funeral home on the afternoon following the memorial service. They just happened to get an anonymous tip about a couple of boys acting suspicious in a car behind the shopping center. When they (all of them) went to investigate, they "discovered" the car running w/ a garden hose between the tailpipe and a window and both boys shot in the head.
No one disputes that these were the boys who murdered the cop. The only real question is whether it was a result of panic over getting caught trying to lift some hubcaps or if it was a hit related somehow to the family's activities Bolivia.
And people think I'm nuts to have moved my kids out of Sunny So. Florida to the frozen hills outside of Pittsburgh! :roll:
You know, if Mama Cass Elliot would have shared that damn sandwich
with Karen Carpenter, they would both still be alive today!!!!!!!
--chongo
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