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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 28, 2004, 04:23:00 AM
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It seems no one wants to explain why the Huron/Masry lawsuit against wwasps was never filed in spite of months of hype and recruiting potential clients. WHAT HAPPENED? Why the wall of silence?
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The lawyers get pissed and chew people out when they mouth off on Bulliten boards.
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Ask the Utah boys.
Silence may be the key word.
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Bottom line, no class action lawsuit and somebody has some explaining to do. WWASPS? PURE? ISAC?
::bangin::
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You up ther with the hammer. . .
You don't know what your talking about;
you are obviously not involved;
and so no one owes you anything -
explanation or otherwise.
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On 2004-02-28 15:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You up ther with the hammer. . .
You don't know what your talking about;
you are obviously not involved;
and so no one owes you anything -
explanation or otherwise.
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Again, bottom line - the class-action (direct) lawsuit appears to have faded off into the sunset. Nice going, there, Anon.
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On 2004-02-28 15:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You up ther with the hammer. . .
You don't know what your talking about;
you are obviously not involved;
and so no one owes you anything -
explanation or otherwise.
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Cut the crap, Anon. The game's over.
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On 2004-02-28 01:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It seems no one wants to explain why the Huron/Masry lawsuit against wwasps was never filed in spite of months of hype and recruiting potential clients. WHAT HAPPENED? Why the wall of silence?
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You should ask the Chief Retard at Fornits - uh, that would be Ginger. She knows all, she talks plenty of garbage and her groupies seem to worship the ground she walks on.
Speaking of lawsuits, when's this board going to pulled of the net or classified as a xxx webpage?
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The Huron/Masrey lawsuit is not a class action suit; it is a direct action suit. It is alive and well, cranking along at a perectly acceptable legal pace. In fact, recently several things have happened on this front. You are just not privy, because you, Anon, are a nobody.
Those people directly involved are kept informed. For others, information for the general public...some of whom are on this board and prefer to stomp their feet frequently, demanding to know it all...ain't gonna happen until the appropriate time. Why do you think it is your right to demand information about legal performance? Would you feel comfortable having a temper tantrum and demanding that the Martha Stewart legal team fully inform you...however you are...about their closed-door negotiations with the government prosecutors? Perhaps you can be effective by bawling in the foyer of the Enron trial site, demanding that Ken Lay tell you all about how he's going to defend himself.
Grow up.
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Spots, you could have just addressed the question in a mature, thoughtful manner but I guess that really is asking too much from somebody who is obviously better skilled at shoveling horse manure than answering a simple question. Grow up, indeed!!!!
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On 2004-02-29 13:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-02-28 01:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It seems no one wants to explain why the Huron/Masry lawsuit against wwasps was never filed in spite of months of hype and recruiting potential clients. WHAT HAPPENED? Why the wall of silence?
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You should ask the Chief Retard at Fornits - uh, that would be Ginger. She knows all, she talks plenty of garbage and her groupies seem to worship the ground she walks on.
Speaking of lawsuits, when's this board going to pulled of the net or classified as a xxx webpage?"
Anon, do you not know that the best defense is a strong offense (meaning Phil Elberg)? Get real,
Fornits is not going anywhere.
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On 2004-02-29 14:34:00, spots wrote:
"The Huron/Masrey lawsuit is not a class action suit; it is a direct action suit. It is alive and well, cranking along at a perectly acceptable legal pace. In fact, recently several things have happened on this front. You are just not privy, because you, Anon, are a nobody.
Those people directly involved are kept informed. For others, information for the general public...some of whom are on this board and prefer to stomp their feet frequently, demanding to know it all...ain't gonna happen until the appropriate time. Why do you think it is your right to demand information about legal performance? Would you feel comfortable having a temper tantrum and demanding that the Martha Stewart legal team fully inform you...however you are...about their closed-door negotiations with the government prosecutors? Perhaps you can be effective by bawling in the foyer of the Enron trial site, demanding that Ken Lay tell you all about how he's going to defend himself.
Grow up. "
Who's stomping their feet here? In horse shit??
BTW, what ever happened with your agenda with the Rep from California? Sounds like he got hooked into your agenda and saw what you are all about. Heard another grandmother who is involved with WWASPS was able to give him enough to realize he didn't need to pursue your request for an investigation. I still think an investigation would be a good thing for WWASPS, so maybe you can find someone to make that happen. Approach it differently.
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Anon, do you not know that the best defense is a strong offense (meaning Phil Elberg)? Get real,
Fornits is not going anywhere."
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Oh yes, "Phil" is so unimpressive. How Dumb! DOWN WITH FORNITS!
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On 2004-02-29 21:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Anon, do you not know that the best defense is a strong offense (meaning Phil Elberg)? Get real,
Fornits is not going anywhere."
Oh yes, "Phil" is so unimpressive. How Dumb! DOWN WITH FORNITS!"
Get lost Anon, you obviously don't know much about Phil or his opponent, uhm, what's his name?
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[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2004-03-02 11:12 ]
[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2004-03-02 11:12 ]
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Anon, you comments about Ginger are mean-spirited and completely without merit. The truth is, Mr. Elberg has made it known he intends to vigorously defend Ginger (and Fornits) should this lawsuit by PURE move forward. When and *if* that happens, I have no doubt you will be singing a far different tune. But then, you probably suspect as much, as evident by your very poorly disguised spin on the issues at hand.
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Uhhhhhhh.....somebody fucked something up here....
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seems some know that a strong defense is a good offense.
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I sort of took the comment about fornits going down as sarcasm. The gist of the myth seems to be that the Huron suit was nothing but smoke and mirrors from PURE and that, just like the Huron suit, the suit possibly intended to take down this site is also a load of horse droppings. The drift seems to be coming from a WWASPy point of view; i.e. PURE is bad and dishonest, therefore everything anyone ever affiliated w/ (or cajoled by) PURE is similarly tainted. It's the poisoned well fallacy, if you want to categorize the argument by accaemic standards.
Reality, as I see it, is more like this. I don't know anything about the Huron suit. I hope it really does materialize in some way that serves to shed light on the troubled parent/ private prison industry. Spots seems to know something about it. Doesn't matter one bit what anyone not privy to the confidential details of the case thinks, says or would like to believe about it. The only thing that matters in a lawsuit is what is allowed into evidence.
I don't have any groupies, though I'm grateful to have won the respect and admiration of a few really impressive friends.
Oh, and BTW, I'm not the least bit surprised by Scary John's refusal to investigate the troubled parent industry's private teen gulags. AOGC has been closely affiliated with IBLP in the past and probably at present. How could they condemn the Mormon and Baptist affiliated teen gulags w/o bringing down some scrutiny on the Character Inn and ALERT?
http://www.iblp.org/iblp/ (http://www.iblp.org/iblp/)
It is one of the most beautiful compensations of life, that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2004-03-02 12:29 ]
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The Huron/Masrey lawsuit is not a class action suit; it is a direct action suit.
Could someone please explain to us non-legal people what a direct action suit is? In my ignorance, I thought direct action was the sort of thing Greenpeace did.
The only references to direct action lawsuits I have found relate to insurance. Does this mean it is WWASP's insurers who will be sued? Or the insurance companies that payed the fees? Or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick?
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http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cg ... ?read=1475 (http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cgi-bin/discussforum.cgi?read=1475)
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On 2004-03-05 22:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
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http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cg ... ?read=1475 (http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cgi-bin/discussforum.cgi?read=1475)"
Kiwi - Not sure what the difference is between a class action and a direct action lawsuit.
http://www.browardpta.com/_disc1/00000013.htm (http://www.browardpta.com/_disc1/00000013.htm)
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Class Complaint/Class Action
A class action is a civil court procedure under which one party, or a group of parties, may sue as representatives of a larger class. To proceed, the court must permit the class action. If the class action is certified, members of the class must be given notice, and the opportunity to exclude themselves from the proceeding. Only the class members who opt out are not bound by the judgment in the case.
Class actions in federal courts are governed by Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 23. In recent years, the Congress has passed two statutes by overwhelming majorities that are designed to reign in some of the abuses in class action securities suits brought against high tech companies. These are the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, and the Securities Litigation Uniform Standards Act (SLUSA), passed in 1998.
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Can find no legal definition for Direct-Action lawsuit. Perhaps somebody else can answer the question?
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On 2004-03-05 22:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-03-05 22:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Unfortunate that the Broward school district allows PURE to post her marketing agenda on their website? http://www.wwasprebuttal.com/ (http://www.wwasprebuttal.com/)
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On 2004-03-02 11:24:00, Antigen wrote:
"I sort of took the comment about fornits going down as sarcasm. The gist of the myth seems to be that the Huron suit was nothing but smoke and mirrors from PURE and that, just like the Huron suit, the suit possibly intended to take down this site is also a load of horse droppings. The drift seems to be coming from a WWASPy point of view; i.e. PURE is bad and dishonest, therefore everything anyone ever affiliated w/ (or cajoled by) PURE is similarly tainted. It's the poisoned well fallacy, if you want to categorize the argument by accaemic standards.
Reality, as I see it, is more like this. I don't know anything about the Huron suit. I hope it really does materialize in some way that serves to shed light on the troubled parent/ private prison industry. Spots seems to know something about it. Doesn't matter one bit what anyone not privy to the confidential details of the case thinks, says or would like to believe about it. The only thing that matters in a lawsuit is what is allowed into evidence.
I don't have any groupies, though I'm grateful to have won the respect and admiration of a few really impressive friends.
Oh, and BTW, I'm not the least bit surprised by Scary John's refusal to investigate the troubled parent industry's private teen gulags. AOGC has been closely affiliated with IBLP in the past and probably at present. How could they condemn the Mormon and Baptist affiliated teen gulags w/o bringing down some scrutiny on the Character Inn and ALERT?
http://www.iblp.org/iblp/ (http://www.iblp.org/iblp/)
It is one of the most beautiful compensations of life, that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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American drug war P.O.W.
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2004-03-02 12:29 ]"
Yes, you have the respect and admiration of CAREY. You're making very "impressive" friends Ginger. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha LOL!!!!!
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On 2004-03-05 23:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Class Complaint/Class Action
A class action is a civil court procedure under which one party, or a group of parties, may sue as representatives of a larger class. To proceed, the court must permit the class action. If the class action is certified, members of the class must be given notice, and the opportunity to exclude themselves from the proceeding. Only the class members who opt out are not bound by the judgment in the case.
Class actions in federal courts are governed by Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 23. In recent years, the Congress has passed two statutes by overwhelming majorities that are designed to reign in some of the abuses in class action securities suits brought against high tech companies. These are the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, and the Securities Litigation Uniform Standards Act (SLUSA), passed in 1998.
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Can find no legal definition for Direct-Action lawsuit. Perhaps somebody else can answer the question?
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Seems to me there ought to be a way to independently verify whether the lawyers in this case have made (or plan to make) an attempt to get this proposed class-action "certified" rather than speculate or rely upon heresay information.
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Those that are posting the class/direct action are merely counting on the "threat" to drive people away. The "threat" has been posted on this forum and others for about a year with no "meat" to back it up. :rofl: :wave:
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Is this a complete list?
Bell Academy (California; now closed)
Brightway Hospital (Utah; now closed)
Carolina Springs Academy (South Carolina)
Casa by the Sea (Mexico)
Cross Creek Center (Utah)
Cross Creek Manor (Utah)
Dundee Ranch, Costa Rica (closed)
High Impact, Mexico (closed)
Ivy Ridge (New York)
Majestic Ranch, Randolph (Utah)
Midwest Academy (Iowa)
Morava Academy (Czech Republic; raided and closed)
Pacific View, Mexico
Paradise Cove (Western Samoa; closed)
Red Rock Springs (Utah; closed)
Spring Creek Lodge (Montana)
Sunrise Beach (raided; closed)
Tranquility Bay (Jamaica)
Kiwi, as I understand it, the difference between a class action and a direct action comes down to the number of plaintiffs. In a direct action, it's an individual seeking something from the defendant(s). No one else is involved but the wittnesses.
In a class action, it's one or more individuals representative of a larger class of individuals and seeking something from the defendant(s) for all members of that class. Here's a site w/ some info on class actions:
http://classaction.com/ (http://classaction.com/)
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves
--Ronald Reagan
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A class action is a civil court procedure under which one party, or a group of parties, may sue as representatives of a larger class. To proceed, the court must permit the class action.
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Have the party or parties of the class-action sought permission (certification) to sue and did the court grant or not grant permission?
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On 2004-03-06 22:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Those that are posting the class/direct action are merely counting on the "threat" to drive people away. The "threat" has been posted on this forum and others for about a year with no "meat" to back it up. :silly:
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Tiny little minds is hitting the nail on the head. :wave:
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The goal of this suit is to garner monetary damages for its plaintiffs...which is the obvious goal of about 99% of lawsuits
I thought it was suppose to be about saving children from abuse? I thought there was a more heroic reason for this suit. I did not realize it was to put money in the pockets of a few.
How will this suit save the children Spots?
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Regarding this pending direct-action lawsuit, I have seen posts and announcements about it on a variety of websites and/or online discussion groups, not just Fornits:
Boarding School Truth
PURE
ISAC
Struggling Teens
Voy
The Straights Dot Com
Bridge to Understanding
So Spots, if people are asking questions, rather than insult their intelligence or brand them as WWASPIES, you might want to OPEN YOUR MIND to the facts. This is an issue that has been in the public domain since May 2003.
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EXCERPT from TICO TIMES, June 20, 2003
"Two high-profile California-based law firms, Huron Law Group LLP and Masry & Vititoe - the latter made famous by the movie "Erin Brockovich" - are planning to enter the class-action suit in a Northern District Federal Court of California today, attorney Ed Masry told The Tico Times yesterday."
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So nobody is supposed to ask when or even if the class-action was "entered" in a Northern District Federal District Court of California?
Poppycock! Nobody, not even Spots, has the right to control public interest.
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if you want to know so bad, why dont you go to the ndfc and as to see the file.
perhaps plaintiffs have been asked to keep information that is not public just that, not public. nothin wrong with that :roll:
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On 2004-03-07 14:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"if you want to know so bad, why dont you go to the ndfc and as to see the file.
perhaps plaintiffs have been asked to keep information that is not public just that, not public. nothin wrong with that :roll: "
What is the case number?
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It does not appear a case has been filed to date, by anyone against WWASPS or one of their member schools relative to a class-action or direct-action lawsuit. However, according to the public record, it does appear that certain persons associated with the following civil lawsuits brought by WWASPS and/or one of their member schools/programs have filed counter-complaints.
WWASPS v. PURE
Cross Creek Manor v. Paula Reeves
SOURCE: PACER (Utah District Court)
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Gosh, all I want to know is WHEN the potential class-action lawsuit turned into a potential direct-action lawsuit and WHY. Apparently, there is a difference between the two kinds of lawsuits. Anybody have the answer?????
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