Fornits
Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 16, 2004, 12:39:00 PM
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Carey,
Why dont' you ask your lawyer how his son is doing? Where is Joe Kipnis? Does anyone know?
After 3 years in Jamaica, let's hope he is ok. Any thoughts on why a father would leave his son for 3 years? What could he have done to deserve this?
I understand Alan Kipnis represented Lynne Pretzfeld (CONVICTED FELON), and now he is helping CArey.
Can we say Hypocrite? Carey, where do you stand anyway? Alan Kipnis has the WWASP resources and now that it seems like youare in bed with them you all have them.
Remember everyone, Caery is not here for the kids, she is here for her vengeance.
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Yes Anon, I have spoken with Alan about his son. And yes, I have spoken with Alan about the program contracts. Actually, we agree on a lot of issues.
He is a good attorney and he knows what is going on with PURE, Trekkers, Amberly and Scheff. I don't think there is any other attorney in the state of Florida who can help me with my case against PURE like he can. If you think I am a hypocrit for wanting a good attorney. Well then, that is your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion. I would not dare try to control your thoughts and opinions. Call me whatever names you so choose, you Anons seem to be good at that.
Please quit being such a coward behind a bag. What is the fear in being yourself? It is so sad. I can't imagine what it must be like to be fighting against something I feel so strongly about and yet being so afraid of who I am.
You are fighting so hard about something you feel so strongly about but yet you don't trust your own judgement to do so in public. You choose to do so under a bag. That is sad and that is a statement all in itself.
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Here I am not anon at all. Figures you would come in here run your mouth and then get an attny from the WWASP side...everyone was right about you Carey you were full of shit and out to cause trouble and build up your own ego from the start. You did it, hope you are proud.
For once I am going to side with an anon, which I usually don't but you are a special case, maybe they are afraid to speak out with any name to you, being as you have a history of copying peoples words showing others peoples e-mails and things of that nature. You know, shit that people don't do that have morals. Sneaky underhanded shit.
Maybe anon is afraid you might sue them. Or turn around and post his message up on another board for the world to see. You have no scruples Carey. You have no morals. You are a rat.
I am not suprised at you for wanting a good laywer your no martyr Carey of course you only care about saving your own ass. Not the fact that you brought this on yourself and other people who actually are well intentioned and not sell outs.
Remember KARMA what goes around comes around....I believe you and your WWASP lawyer see eye to eye on many things, that I really do believe. What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Speaking as one of the anons (and I usually don't post anon) kaydee is right. With what I've seen on here, I WOULD be apprehensive about putting something out there to be taken out of context or twisted to fit your agenda, i.e. delusions of self-grandeur ::cheers::
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:nworthy: :nworthy:
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Well there is no need to be apprehensive, unless of course you have done something you should not have or unless you have done something you are ashamed of.
Sorry you feel the need to hide from the truth.
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It does seem that Carey's statements are getting weaker by the minute...I'm glad that this bullshit seems to be coming to an end.. :skull:
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Case in point w/ that last one...gotcha! :lol:
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/bump - (hey Kaydee) :smile:
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/bump...Carey must have gone to bed, or she's on the phone with that WWASP lawyer dude..whatever.. :rofl:
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Since Kaydee and others are finally waking up to Carey Games, (IMHO - mind games) I hope Ginger does too.
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On 2004-02-16 17:29:00, Carey wrote:
"Well there is no need to be apprehensive, unless of course you have done something you should not have or unless you have done something you are ashamed of.
Sorry you feel the need to hide from the truth.
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You just proved my point!!!!!!! I WROTE that I was apprehensive because of your propensity to twist what is said....you READ that I was apprehensive because I have something to hide. I rest my case. :wave:
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Indeed...very well illustrated, anon. :grin:
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Seems I have a whole different perspective on this issue because I don't see how Bock having Kipnis as her defense lawyer hurts anybody but PURE.
Have you all forgotten who (or what) PURE is? Or is this latest round of Carey bashing simply another diversion trick meant to distract people from the central issue at hand?
Either way, is it not a fact that Sue Scheff fired the first shot when she sued Ginger and Carey as a means of engaging both these people in litigation?
Since Bock was close to losing by default, it stands to reason that having ANY attorney to keep her in the game would have been a wise decision. Getting one who is already up to speed on the issue(s) at hand, was a lucky break. For not only is Bock still in the game but she has managed to level the playing field which is a virtual necessity if this is going to be a fair fight.
Since PURE is already engaged in a very lengthy and costly defense of their own (WWASPS v PURE et al), it stands to reason that Bock's choice of an attorney could be troublesome for PURE in more ways than one.
As such, I rather expect that this anti-carey campaign which began on Fornits months ago will not cease anytime soon. Funny how the anons who seemingly have nothing to personally gain from carrying the PURE banner have so little understanding or even appreciation of the role Fornits has played in helping them to promote their agenda. Why they continue to use this forum with no real concern for the fact that Ginger has also been sued by Sue Scheff, raises very disturbing questions about the ethics and morals of these individuals, if not their collective lack of intelligence when it comes right down to it.
Alas, let the depositions begin. It is time for the facts to speak for themselves and the truth, bitter as it may be, to surface.
Got PEPTO-BISMO?
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Have you all forgotten who (or what) PURE is? Or is this latest round of Carey bashing simply another diversion trick meant to distract people from the central issue at hand?
>YAWN<
And by the same token, have you forgotten what WWASP is? I'm just looking forward to the death of this crap. No affiliations here...I just hate it when people aren't real, like Carey has exhibited time and again here. (Just read the latest threads, I ain't got time to cite the examples...) She won't pony up..
It's all over now, Baby Bock...
http://orad.dent.kyushu-u.ac.jp/dylan/itsalovr.html (http://orad.dent.kyushu-u.ac.jp/dylan/itsalovr.html)
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Wrong Froderick, the real shit has yet to hit the fan but when it does, you are going to wish you had not been so easily played for a fool. Think Froderick. Without you leading the attack against Bock, who's left? A couple of PURE supporters with a self-serving agenda of their own? Come on, wise up. Carey ain't the boogie-man no matter how many times you say so.
:smokin:
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I'm not a PURE supporter, don't even know what the acronym stands for. I don't think Carey is the boogey man either, I think some of the ways she tries to get her point across SUCK!! She's incredibly bitchy, even to people who say they don't really have a problem with WHAT she's saying, but HOW she's saying it. She was talking about how ISAC is losing it's credibility...I agreed to a certain extent but also pointed out that IN MY OPINION she hurts her own credibility by how she deals/talks with people. I thought I had put up a fairly rational post, seeing some of her points, but getting mine across too and I was met with sarcasm and a condescending tone. It bothered me so I posted about it. Automatically she and others ASSUMED I was a PURE supporter. I'm not. Like I said, don't even know who they are...I'm a survivor of a program and I was concerned about the credibility problem with ISAC as well but also with Carey's. Any discussion I've tried to have with her on this has elicited the same tone, dripping with sarcasm. I don't think Carey has evil intentions, I just think she comes across as a bitch who has selfish intentions. Please note that I did not say that she IS a bitch with selfish intentions...I don't know her so I can't say...I said she COMES ACROSS that way...TO ME. I felt the need to point out that distinction because of her post to me about having somehting to hide because I don't post with a name.
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guess I should correct that comment. I don't think she has solely selfish reasons, I'm sure she wants to help her children. As a parent, I don't doubt that...BUT......it seems, again - to ME....that there's a little self-righteousness or martyrdom playing into this, like she's the only one who is so pure (no pun intended) in her motivations and she's the sole light for all these kids. SHE'S NOT.....there are a lot of others of us out here who are fighting for these kids too....we just choose to do it differently than Carey.
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Wrong Froderick, the real shit has yet to hit the fan but when it does, you are going to wish you had not been so easily played for a fool. Think Froderick. Without you leading the attack against Bock, who's left? A couple of PURE supporters with a self-serving agenda of their own? Come on, wise up. Carey ain't the boogie-man no matter how many times you say so.
And who the hell are you??
Played for a fool? Like I even care that much anyway? And I far from lead this "attack." There are people out there who know far more than I do about all of this, and I realize that. It's just that I see her for what she is. I don't even care that much about the suit. Like I said, I have no interest (personal) in it whatsoever, and nothing to gain either way, except for the fact that I think, no I KNOW that WWASP sucks, and Carey is looking more and more like a patsy for THEM (you?) every minute.
Who the hell are you?
Why should I believe a fucking word that you say?
Boogie-man, no..just a person who ducks questions. That bothers me, I don't know why, but it bothers me...I think Kaydeejayded came closest to explaining that earlier in this thread. :tup:
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On 2004-02-17 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"guess I should correct that comment. I don't think she has solely selfish reasons, I'm sure she wants to help her children. As a parent, I don't doubt that...BUT......it seems, again - to ME....that there's a little self-righteousness or martyrdom playing into this, like she's the only one who is so pure (no pun intended) in her motivations and she's the sole light for all these kids. SHE'S NOT.....there are a lot of others of us out here who are fighting for these kids too....we just choose to do it differently than Carey."
Can't say I disagree with your assessment, Anon. However I wonder if perhaps we should not find the offensive tone of Carey's posts at least understandable in the face of this relentless campaign to demonize the lady for speaking out about her experience with PURE? As for ISAC, I am afraid that organization has truly lost their way. Carey had nothing to do with that, she only expressed an opinion. ISAC would be wise to get their moral compass straight and go to bat against any and all people who profit from the teen hurt industry, a long list which includes independent referral agents.
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Can't say I disagree with your assessment, Anon. However I wonder if perhaps we should not find the offensive tone of Carey's posts at least understandable in the face of this relentless campaign to demonize the lady for speaking out about her experience with PURE? As for ISAC, I am afraid that organization has truly lost their way. Carey had nothing to do with that, she only expressed an opinion. ISAC would be wise to get their moral compass straight and go to bat against any and all people who profit from the teen hurt industry, a long list which includes independent referral agents.
Who are you and why are you here?
Oh, poor Carey..maybe if she'd be real for a change the "demonizing" would cease...
You're talking a lot (about ISAC) but you're not saying anything...
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On 2004-02-17 10:18:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"Wrong Froderick, the real shit has yet to hit the fan but when it does, you are going to wish you had not been so easily played for a fool. Think Froderick. Without you leading the attack against Bock, who's left? A couple of PURE supporters with a self-serving agenda of their own? Come on, wise up. Carey ain't the boogie-man no matter how many times you say so.
And who the hell are you??
Played for a fool? Like I even care that much anyway? And I far from lead this "attack." There are people out there who know far more than I do about all of this, and I realize that. It's just that I see her for what she is. I don't even care that much about the suit. Like I said, I have no interest (personal) in it whatsoever, and nothing to gain either way, except for the fact that I think, no I KNOW that WWASP sucks, and Carey is looking more and more like a patsy for THEM (you?) every minute.
Who the hell are you?
Why should I believe a fucking word that you say?
Boogie-man, no..just a person who ducks questions. That bothers me, I don't know why, but it bothers me...I think Kaydeejayded came closest to explaining that earlier in this thread. :tup: "
So Carey ducks questions and that pisses you off to the point where you have no sense of reality? When was the last time you read one of Sue Scheff's posts in response to questions posed directly to her? Fucking idiot, at least admit you don't know what the hell you don't know.
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Yeah, what about Scheff's posts, dickhead/bitch? Why don't you elaborate...
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What do you care, anyway? What's your interest in this? You're getting awful heated w/ those insults there, asshole... :lol:
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Sense of reality? I only know what I see going on here...it seems that the general consensus is that Carey is a liar. I could give a rat's ass about PURE or WWASP, really.
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On 2004-02-17 10:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
So Carey ducks questions and that pisses you off to the point where you have no sense of reality? When was the last time you read one of Sue Scheff's posts in response to questions posed directly to her? Fucking idiot, at least admit you don't know what the hell you don't know.
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See???? This is exactly what I'm talking about. You call Frod a fucking idiot because he can admit when he feels he was wrong?!?!?!?!?! Yes, SOME OF US HERE ACTUALLY CAN SEE POINTS IN WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY. You and Carey (unless you're one in the same) cannot seem to do that. Don't you think most of us have been demonized for what we have to say/do about these programs?? Once again, it's poor Carey out there battling the evils on her own.....woe is me :roll: .
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AHAHAHAHA!! Suck on that, dickhead anon.. :wstupid:
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No need to elaborate, lemme know when you find a single post written and signed by Sue Scheff, who in case you have forgotten, is the plaintiff in the civil lawsuit filed against Ginger/Fornits.
Yep, that's right. You been beating the wrong horse all along, much to the chagrin of myself who used to think you were smarter than the average wiseass.
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I was aware that Sue's the plaintiff. That's another issue though, isn't it? I told you, I don't really care that much. Carey has left a lot of questions unanswered. That's what I'm talking about...
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On 2004-02-17 10:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No need to elaborate, lemme know when you find a single post written and signed by Sue Scheff, who in case you have forgotten, is the plaintiff in the civil lawsuit filed against Ginger/Fornits.
Yep, that's right. You been beating the wrong horse all along, much to the chagrin of myself who used to think you were smarter than the average wiseass.
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Ok, once again.......I don't have a problem with a lot of WHAT Carey is saying....I have a problem with HOW she says it because IN MY OPINION it hurts her credibility which, in turn, hurts the "cause" credibility.
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If Carey is a liar than what is Sue Scheff? As PURE as the driven snow? Guess we'll soon find out as this case works its way through the legal system where these allegations against Ginger/Fornits/Bock will be tested against law, not public opinion.
BTW Froderick, do you even know what the lawsuit is about or is that second to your fixation with Carey Bock as a liar and any and everybody else who is reserving judgment until sworn testimony (depositions) are at least taken is a dickhead?
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If Carey is a liar than what is Sue Scheff? As PURE as the driven snow? Guess we'll soon find out as this case works its way through the legal system where these allegations against Ginger/Fornits/Bock will be tested against law, not public opinion.
Damned straight! I'm happy to leave it at that. As for the 2nd question...I know what it's about, and I guess I already answered the next part of that...
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That was me, and by the "next part of that" I was referring to your very last question there..
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Froderick, don't get me wrong. It's not that I think you are a fucking idiot all of the time. Just when it comes to pulling Bock's chain over and over, like you've got nothing better to do. If that's the case and you really are bored outta your mind, ask the PURE volunteers to prove to you and everybody else that they and Sue Scheff have never ever ducked a question, stretched the truth or downright lied. I believe that would be the fair and equitable thing to do as long as you are so intent on doggin Carey's ass. Deal? I mean, let's cut to the chase and demand some proof from these blowhard Purists that their M.O. really is all about "saving kids" as opposed to maybe saving their own ass b/c right now, it don't exactly look that way to me.
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On 2004-02-17 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"guess I should correct that comment. I don't think she has solely selfish reasons, I'm sure she wants to help her children. As a parent, I don't doubt that...BUT......it seems, again - to ME....that there's a little self-righteousness or martyrdom playing into this, like she's the only one who is so pure (no pun intended) in her motivations and she's the sole light for all these kids. SHE'S NOT.....there are a lot of others of us out here who are fighting for these kids too....we just choose to do it differently than Carey."
Carey, listen up. Anon is speaking about what appears to be a pattern in both the tone of your posts and your motivation in sharing how your experience with PURE (and others?) has hurt you and your children. Anon is right, there are many people who believe the industry is out-of-control and are trying to do something about that for the sake of the children who are the true victims of residential treatment abuse. Your personal cause is a noble one but remember, it is based on your opinions and beliefs and while people may support some or all of your expressed goals and objectives, it is still YOUR credibility that is very much on the line when it comes to the big picture. To be fair, the impact of months of vicious personal attacks, veiled threats and other spiteful and/or meanspirited posts should be taken into account. Hopefully, that will subside in the near future as it really serves no viable purpose other than to throw grease on an already hot fire. Best wishes and good luck. Lawsuits are no fun but I'm glad you have a lawyer that you apparently have confidence in for the reasons you (or someone else) cited in another post.
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If her motivation had anything to do with saving the children and not her own ass or revenge or the sound of her own voice she would not side with the other agressor here.
Carey does not know what it is like to fight a true fight and stand on her own. She has never been in a program she is not a survivor she is not a product of the program. She knows nothing of it. Subjecting your child to a program does not make you a survivor and nothting in this world will ever convince me that it does.
Proof positive turn the heat on Carey the "Activist" in her runs to WWASP to get and lawyer. Who could anyone run to in the wilderness programs? Who could the run to Casa who could we run to in Straight? No where to no one. We had nothing. We had the restraints no civil rights nothing. Carey wouldn't make it. She would be a statistic.
We get shit for being agessive...people give Frodrick shit for being the way he is, people give me shit for being the way I am...agressive confrontational, you made us this way. Your program designed us.
Aren't you proud of your creation? I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
-- Hunter S. Thompson
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You make some good points, Kaydeejaded. Only a suvivor can know how it really feels to be trapped in an institutionalized style program ruled by fear and intimidation. But if it is one thing Carey has done that has the potential to spare kids from ending up in an abusive specialty school or program it is to raise public awareness about the highly lucrative self-regulated business of private-placement referrals. This whole idea of programs paying for referrals stinks to high heaven. The practice should be banned but I'm afraid that will not happen anytime soon unless the mainstream media gets wind of this relatively unknown cottage industry and starts to sniff around. Believe me, there are plenty of stories kids and their parents can tell about their dubious experience with an ed con (fees for their referral recommendations paid for by parents) or one of these independent referral services (fees for placement referrals paid by the program or school). Since Carey has made it clear from the get-go that she believes she and her boys were hurt/harmed by their experience with PURE, I don't see that she has misled anyone about her intentions. Second, since none of us know what really went on, how can we know what it feels like to be in her shoes? Maybe Carey has good reason to fight fire with fire when it comes to defending herself against the lawsuit brought by PURE? We just can't be 100% certain of anything until the facts begin to emerge through sworn testimony obtained from the litigants, themselves.
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Anon,
You make Carey's goals sound so honorable.
The reality from my limited personal experience differs from what you offer as truth.
AS a prior trekker and Pure Volunteer I can attest to the fact our purpose is not to promote one program over the other,but to shed light on our personal experiences with wwasp. We all have experienced wwasp.
That was, has always been my purpose.
My purpose while a Program parent was also to share what I believed to be the excellance of the program.
When I learned the truth,after I finally had an opportunity to speak with and see my child, I was appalled at the reality of the situation.
Its convient to scapegoat Pure, when the reality the purpose is to prevent others from being harmed or scammned.
Our personal experience may differ from others,but it is what we experienced .It is our moral, ethical responsibility to share that experience. As long as it is true and honest.
It is true and honest. Its also very very sad to have gone through this experience at the expense of my child's emotional health.
Now I am Mad.
It's not as sinister as it is made out to be.
I won't comment on Cary's needs. I don't consider that my problem.
I dont have any imput on referral fees other than to share that I paid Struggling teens $1,200
for a referral,for four hrs of telephone counseling . At that time I was told my sons behavior was most likely due to the TRAUMA he experienced in Jamaica. No one on the BBS had shared that possibility.......
Do you all know Struggling Teens advertises WWASP on the back of their news letter? Apparently they know the truth about wwasp but they continue to promote, accept the advertising dollars. Where is the integrity in that?
Pure has taken risks in standing up for what they believe. They are being sued.We all have been threatened to be sued(thanks to Carey for sharing).
To suggest it is about referral fees is scapegoating. Nothing more or less.
The answer lies in obtaining oversight protection, legislation which is our goal.To put into place protection from abusive Speciality schools and residential treatment centers etc.
My goal is to enlighten parents.
I wish someone had had the courage to tell me their negative experience when I was seeking help for our family crisis. I was told pretty lies.
You folks have the power ,use it.....
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Nice publicity stunt, Anon, but really, you shouldn't have bothered because nobody with half a brain is buying this unmitigated B.S. The fact is programs who pay commissions for referrals to people whose only experience is they "once were a WWASPS parent" are guilty of the worst kind of profiteering. Second, this blatant attempt to sugarcoat your role in this dirty business is so disgusting, I can only wonder if there is a detergent strong enough to .... well, I'm sure everybody gets the picture here. Federal regulations, my ass. Like that can even happen fast enough to stop kids from ending up in a program based on the referral of some so-called "professional parent". Who the hell do you think you are kidding here?
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Maybe the PURE parent volunteer would like to "enlighten" all of us as to why he/she sees nothing wrong with posting on a forum that is the target of a lawsuit brought by PURE. Think you can handle answering a direct question Anon? You know, show us just how "moral" and "ethical" you really are? Come on now, pretty please with a cherry on top?????
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You know, there is obviously a WWASPie/or Carey herself trying to prove a point here. Dont you see yet, this is not about Pure/Sue/Volunterrs or any of that crap. It is about Carey's hatred of what she thinks Pure/Trekkers/Sue or whoever did to her. She forgets WWASPS is Dundee, or just simply doesnt get it. But a year ago she did. The WWASPie/Carey is trying to be nice to Kaydee and Frod and then strokes the Girl Interrupted, Carey. You just dont get it. WWASPS is using Pure, WWASPS is using Carey all to distract from the real story. Fraud, abuse etc. Carey is simply falling for the whole thing, all because she hates so violently that she is not on top, not the focus, and lost her 15 minutes of fame.
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Oh, I do believe everyone deserves a fair trial and fair legal reprentation, but why would someone that proclaims to want to help kids and this industry go to a lawyer that supports one of the leading programs of this so called abuse? Not only that, left his kid there for 3 years! Thank God he agreed on some issues with the Girl Interrupted, God knows he would be raked through the coals if he didn't. Then again, I am sure Girl Interrupted just needed any atty this point, to the point of selling her soul AGAIN. There are many other lawyers in Florida that could have helped her, why a WWASPS lawyer? Guess they owe her. All IMHO. Just my humble observations.
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On 2004-02-18 13:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You know, there is obviously a WWASPie/or Carey herself trying to prove a point here. Dont you see yet, this is not about Pure/Sue/Volunterrs or any of that crap. It is about Carey's hatred of what she thinks Pure/Trekkers/Sue or whoever did to her. She forgets WWASPS is Dundee, or just simply doesnt get it. But a year ago she did. The WWASPie/Carey is trying to be nice to Kaydee and Frod and then strokes the Girl Interrupted, Carey. You just dont get it. WWASPS is using Pure, WWASPS is using Carey all to distract from the real story. Fraud, abuse etc. Carey is simply falling for the whole thing, all because she hates so violently that she is not on top, not the focus, and lost her 15 minutes of fame."
Oh cut the crap, yourself, Anon. Taking shots at Carey every time somebody turns the focus on PURE only confirms the fact that something stinks here. Not to worry though. It's all gonna come out in the wash.
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On 2004-02-18 13:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh, I do believe everyone deserves a fair trial and fair legal reprentation, but why would someone that proclaims to want to help kids and this industry go to a lawyer that supports one of the leading programs of this so called abuse? Not only that, left his kid there for 3 years! Thank God he agreed on some issues with the Girl Interrupted, God knows he would be raked through the coals if he didn't. Then again, I am sure Girl Interrupted just needed any atty this point, to the point of selling her soul AGAIN. There are many other lawyers in Florida that could have helped her, why a WWASPS lawyer? Guess they owe her. All IMHO. Just my humble observations."
Anon, your humble opinion sucks. Have you forgotten that an associate of PURE's once worked for WWASPS as an admissions rep for one, maybe several of their member programs? Sheesh, what is with these reformed ex-WWASPIES who think, no believe, their shit doesn't stink? It does. Big time.
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No cheap shots. Who cares who works for Pure and who doesnt. Who really gives a shit about Pure, except Carey, since she thinks they harmed her (yet to prove it), and WWASPS, since they think they lied about them (yet to prove it). Other than that, no one cares about them. Well, you do obviously, since you constantly bring them up. Could you be the Girl Interrupted? We will wait for it to come out in the rinse cycle.
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No Anon, Carey seems to be M.I.A. most likely following the advice of her attorney. What you do not seem to understand is that some people have reached the point where they can not help but be skeptical of the M.O. of these so-called PURE Parent Volunteers, and indeed, their self-serving agenda which appears to be grounded at least in part, to their experience with WWASPS and quite possibly the fact that PURE has been sued by this organization. Second, as so many people have pointed out, one does not have to be a WWASPIE to be skeptical of PURE. That is the biggest misconception of all and it is high time you people got off your soapbox long enough to see the light. Intelligent minds look at both sides of the coin. Don't like it, move on. Find another forum that supports and promotes GROUP THINKING.
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On 2004-02-18 11:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Maybe the PURE parent volunteer would like to "enlighten" all of us as to why he/she sees nothing wrong with posting on a forum that is the target of a lawsuit brought by PURE. Think you can handle answering a direct question Anon? You know, show us just how "moral" and "ethical" you really are? Come on now, pretty please with a cherry on top?????
:roll: "
Bump #1
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WOW, something shut Carey up! Not for long, I am sure. Next we will see her selling WWASPS to pay her bills. Don't laugh, stranger things have happened.
You are right Anon, I am not a WWASPie or a Purey, just an observer. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Well, blow me down. Girl Interrupted is Carey? Nah, Carey is definitly M.I.A. and rightfully so considering she has more to gain by defending herself in a court of law rather than on a public forum where the propaganda is so thick it's hard to tell the "observers" from the Wwaspies or the PURE parent volunteers.
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On 2004-02-18 13:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh, I do believe everyone deserves a fair trial and fair legal reprentation, but why would someone that proclaims to want to help kids and this industry go to a lawyer that supports one of the leading programs of this so called abuse? Not only that, left his kid there for 3 years! Thank God he agreed on some issues with the Girl Interrupted, God knows he would be raked through the coals if he didn't. Then again, I am sure Girl Interrupted just needed any atty this point, to the point of selling her soul AGAIN. There are many other lawyers in Florida that could have helped her, why a WWASPS lawyer? Guess they owe her. All IMHO. Just my humble observations."
Careful now, Anon. You are making wild accusations of the sort that could make you the next girl/boy interrupted. LOL. Look, it's obvious you don't like Carey's choice of an attorney, even though, it ain't really anybody's business but Carey's who she hires to represent her. Why get your underwear all in a bundle over that to the point you are now making allegations that even you admit are not based on fact, but rather, speculation? Personally, I don't see that it much matters who represents Carey as long as she has confidence in them. As for the suggestion that she could have hired any attorney in Florida, again, that is pure speculation. From what I gathered, she was running out of time and very close to losing by default. Perhaps if PURE had granted her more time, she might have made a different choice. I mean, who the hell knows or even really cares, except YOU, Anon. The one making these inflammatory allegations and taking shots at someone who would be a fool to defend herself here, instead of in a court of law. Stop spinning your biased version of the issues at hand and let justice take it's course. THAT is the fair thing to do.
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On 2004-02-18 14:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-02-18 11:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Maybe the PURE parent volunteer would like to "enlighten" all of us as to why he/she sees nothing wrong with posting on a forum that is the target of a lawsuit brought by PURE. Think you can handle answering a direct question Anon? You know, show us just how "moral" and "ethical" you really are? Come on now, pretty please with a cherry on top?????
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Bump #1"
Bump #2
"All around the mulberry bush, the monkey chased the weasel ...."
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Anon,
I dont have the answer to that question.
My beef is with wwasp. Our attorneys are working on that.
Here have two cherries.
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about carey, puke and all the other shits suing each other. PLEASE!!!!!!!!! take it somewhere else. Like email back and forth to each other. I don'treally care much about your private lives.
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:wstupid: :flame: :skull:
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On 2004-02-19 07:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anon,
I dont have the answer to that question.
My beef is with wwasp. Our attorneys are working on that.
Here have two cherries."
Anon, do you even know what a schmuck you are?
Pay attention! Using this forum to promote your "beef" with WWASPS all the while being a party to a lawsuit filed against the host of this forum is unethical and immoral. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself but I'm afraid that is asking too much of someone with as little intelligence as you apparently possess. Go on now, tell us all for the umpteenth time how Carey sold her soul to the devil but you, the virgin vessel, are so pure, or to use your own words so "ethical" and so "moral".
::puke::
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shut up asshole...stop looking
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Shut Up? Sorry, no can do. These weasels ain't getting no free lunch today.
::bigsmilebounce::
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Anon
Take a deep breath. It sounds like you are upset. :smile:
I do have a beef with wwasp. They hurt my kid.
Read my lips.. I am not a party to a law suit against the host of this forum.
I stated it is my moral and ethical RESPONSIBILITY to assist other parents from being scammed.
To try and prevent their kids from being harmed.
My intelligence is intact enough to know you are either Carey or a wwaspie. So obvious.
Carey is a NON ISSUE for me. Who she sold her soul to is not my problem. I dont care even a little about Carey.
Save your name calling, games for someone else.
Where do you get your information I am a party to a law suit against the host. That is really stretching.
My lawsuit is against wwasp.
WWASP will be held ACCOUNTABLE.
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On 2004-02-20 07:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anon
Take a deep breath. It sounds like you are upset. :smile:
I do have a beef with wwasp. They hurt my kid.
Read my lips.. I am not a party to a law suit against the host of this forum.
I stated it is my moral and ethical RESPONSIBILITY to assist other parents from being scammed.
To try and prevent their kids from being harmed.
My intelligence is intact enough to know you are either Carey or a wwaspie. So obvious.
Carey is a NON ISSUE for me. Who she sold her soul to is not my problem. I dont care even a little about Carey.
Save your name calling, games for someone else.
Where do you get your information I am a party to a law suit against the host. That is really stretching.
My lawsuit is against wwasp.
WWASP will be held ACCOUNTABLE.
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Are you in any way, shape or form associated with PURE?
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Not upset, Anon. Just incredulous that anyone associated with PURE would have the nerve to use this forum to hold WWASPS accountable at Ginger's expense. Luckily, she has an attorney who has made it very clear that he intends to fight this lawsuit brought by PURE if it moves forward.
:wave:
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2004-02-20 07:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anon
Take a deep breath. It sounds like you are upset.
I do have a beef with wwasp. They hurt my kid.
Read my lips.. I am not a party to a law suit against the host of this forum.
I stated it is my moral and ethical RESPONSIBILITY to assist other parents from being scammed.
To try and prevent their kids from being harmed.
My intelligence is intact enough to know you are either Carey or a wwaspie. So obvious.
Carey is a NON ISSUE for me. Who she sold her soul to is not my problem. I dont care even a little about Carey.
Save your name calling, games for someone else.
Where do you get your information I am a party to a law suit against the host. That is really stretching.
My lawsuit is against wwasp.
WWASP will be held ACCOUNTABLE.
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Are you in any way, shape or form associated with PURE?
Christine is that you in this original post?
Cristine Gomez - Watsonville, CA - http://www.helpyourteens.com/about_us.html (http://www.helpyourteens.com/about_us.html)
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On 2004-02-19 07:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anon,
I dont have the answer to that question.
My beef is with wwasp. Our attorneys are working on that.
Here have two cherries."
Would you mind telling us who your attorneys are?
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Would you mind telling us who your attorney's are?
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Hey there..spent a lot of time with Joe K and he was in the program for less than 2 years. last time I spoke with him, he was going to College and doing great. Guess things worked for him. And guess there is no more guesswork on what happened to him.
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Would you mind telling us who your attorney's are?
Shyster & Shyster...Hough, Puff & Blowe..I don't know..I saw a good one on AFV a few weeks ago..but I can't remember the names now..they showed an actual shot of the front of what seemed to be a legit lawfirm and it had an ironically funny name like that..damn! I can't remember what it was...anybody else see that? C'mon, humor me here...
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On 2004-02-17 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Since Kaydee and others are finally waking up to Carey Games, (IMHO - mind games) I hope Ginger does too."
The only thing I'm waking up to is the nightmarish reality that there is no greater nuisance than these ed cons and independent referral agents. They are the ones primarily responsible for hoodwinking parents into signing their kids up for a couple of years of forced institutionalization in ANY program that will have them, including those who PAY them for referrals. Yep, that's right. Some programs pay for kids!!!! Do you not see something terribly sinister in that? Of course you do, unless your own palms are so greased you have no ethics or morals. As for Kaydee and others who you claim are waking up to "Carey Games", what makes you think they haven't also woken up to your M.O., which IMHO is no better and in fact, may even be worse?
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Wolfram and Hart?
To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Perhaps ISAC would like to take a shot at giving these ed cons and indpendent referral services a run for their money? Seems to me there would be a lot less kids to "save" from abusive programs if ISAC exposed this cottage industry for what it really is and as such, ran these profiteers out of business.
:silly:
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Oh, and ISAC, don't forget about the programs, themselves, who PAY FOR KIDS, since I think we all know those federal regulations even people in the program-referral business ADMIT themselves are necessary, ain't coming anytime soon.
:silly:
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Somewhere (buried in the archives) is a list of some programs alleged to be paying for referrals. If people really care about saving kids, it only makes sense to go to bat against the programs who pay for kids and the people who give kids to them in exchange for money. Keeping kids out of programs should be a top priority instead of focusing on RED HERRING issues.
::bangin::
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Frod,
duey cheatum & howe?
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duey cheatum & howe?
YES! That was it! Ding ding ding ding!! Thanks, WP! :tup:
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On 2004-02-17 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Since Kaydee and others are finally waking up to Carey Games, (IMHO - mind games) I hope Ginger does too."
I just wanted to say that I really resent the implication that I somehow don't know what the hell is going on. Has it occured to you, Anon, that I have all the same facts you have but hold to a slightly different philosophy than you?
Let me try and shed a little light on how I like to go about things.
I don't believe that the old axium; "Fight fire w/ fire" is apt for this situation. Leave the scorched Earth tactics to the fanatic, sadistic altruists. It's just not my gig. I'm not looking for enemies to destroy or perfectly innocent, incorruptable victims to rescue.
My entire strategy really is just as simple and direct as I keep telling you it is; rampant talking out in group. Just bring the debate out from behind closed doors where the angry mob is holding all the cards and drag them, kicking and screaming, out into the more commonly accepted reality.
I didn't come up with this view or strategy all by my lonesome. I've lifted it, verbatim, from the writings and experience of some of my personal heroes. Among them, Alexandr Solzhenitsyn.
Here's an essential quote lifted from his classic work; Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2004-02-22 09:44 ]
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Don't hate the media. Become the media
A very germane quote. Are you sure they are random? :wave:
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No! I think maybe my dearly departed father is messing with them sometimes.
Homeschool is self regulating. The school board is not going to have illiterate useless people living in their homes forever if they don't have a working education policy.
--Sisterbluerose
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I worked for a company owned by the attorney you cite in your posts. He is as crooked as they come.
He defrauded all of the investors out of their entire investment, used company funds to buy construction materials for his home, drove the company into the ground and bankrupted it.
He's a total asshole and has no ethics and/or morals.
Seems perfectly in line with what I know that he would send his son away for three years.
He's literally a big, fat, lying dirtbag.
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Isn't any of this indictable?
Sounds like he broke more laws than poor Martha Stewart.
If your telling the truth, I hope your telling someone that matters.
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i'm sure it is indictable, but since it was the investors that were bilked, i guess it would be up to them to file suit/press charges.
this goes back about three years now, so i assume if there were going to be a move it would have already happened, but i'm not privy to the info so i couldn't say...
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December 11, 2002
TO SUBSCRIBERS OF PROMINET:
Through no fault of Prominet, its long expected and promised continuing funding has not arrived. Regrettably, as a result of our inability to locate emergency alternate financing, caused by the failure of our lender to provide promised funding, Prominet is no longer in a position to continue it's operation.
It will be necessary for you to immediately locate new providers and to transfer your service as soon as possible. We will be able to continue our network for a short period of time, but the length of times our network will continue to be available to you is uncertain.
Our staff and management have worked diligently over the past two and one half years to develope and provide you with the best possible Broadband Wireless High Speed Internet product available today. The failure of Prominet is not as a result of our inability to be able to provide and deploy the best possible technology as evidenced by the service we have been providing to our subscribers. It is because a supposedly reputable lender has blatantly and repeatedly failed to provide promised approved funding.
We sincerly apologize to you for the inconvenience that this unexpected event will cause you. It is presumed that Prominet will now be liquidated through the Bankruptcy Court, and that you will be contacted in due course for the removal of the Prominet equipment from your home or office and with regard to any other matters relating to Prominet.
This situation is a tragedy for all of us.
ALAN G. KIPNIS
President and Chief Executive Officer
Management and Staff of Prominet
There was a $25 million dollar federal grant for tier 2 ISP's in the pipe for this company, but the CEO would not open up the books for examination by the lender, so the lender killed the deal.
I wonder WHY the CEO wouldn't open up those books...?
This is just another of a series of blatant prevarications from a consummate thief and liar.