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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Carmel on June 07, 2002, 05:03:00 PM
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Has anyone here ever heard of Cenikor? We used to be threatened in Straight about this place and KIDS as well. Cenikor was supposed to be the Straight for adults, although it was apparently way more hardcore, and I dont know if the two were actually affiliated in any way. There is a huge facility here in Houston, and if I am not mistaken it originated here. We actually had a guy on staff for a while that had completed the Cenikor program, his main function I think was to threaten us about Cenikor and how awful it was at each and every opportunity. Their minimum program length was 2 years, and that was in-patient. The guy who we knew seemed like he was spritually burned out. I can imagine. My cousin went into Cenikor way after I got out of Straight, and I think he consented to it, but once he was in they kept him from leaving, physically and otherwise.
Its interesting how other and older programs (KIDS, etc.) were always used to make us feel greatful that we were lucky to have it so good. I couldnt pinpoint what we ever did to have to be reminded of how un-appreciative we were...but it happened often. There was a boy in our program who had actually been in the El Paso KIDS program for three or so years before coming to Dallas, the he was there for close to another two years. he had been in treatment for most of his adolescent life.
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I just looked it up on the web....awful they even put in thier website that they have "confrontational Thearapy". They even have a program where they take women and thier kids with them they take kids from 0-10 I guess they figure after 10 they must be drggies so they send them somewhere else.
Diane
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kill them kill them kill them kill them
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I remember getting threatened with Cenikor. My mom actually had called the place before I went into Straight, as I was from Huntsville. They wouldn't take me because I didn't have a criminal background.
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I always thought that Cenikor didn't really exist, that it was just another part of Straight mythology. I remember hearing about it all the time in the Dallas Straight, that they shave all your body hair and make you wear diapers and the like. Don't know if any of that is true but I sure know I'd hate to be there.
Kelly, Brad, its good to see you guys found this place,
John
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Yeah, John. I was wondering the same . . . which one?
I thought Clendenan was from SEattle?
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Do you remember the KIDS of El Paso kid's name??
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I remember this short kid that came in right before I left, hispanic looking short guy. Was he from El Paso?
Also I remember a girl from Midland, I think her name was Tina. She talked about doing bella donna, she did a lot of frion too. That seemed to be the drug of choice for a lot of midland kids coming in for awhile.
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I knew a kid who did some of that stuff (belladonna.) He had found it growing on a sidewalk here in Balto. He was never the same (in a bad way) after that - guess it's not for everybody. :silly:
"Cenikor" sounds like the villian out of a sci-fi horror flick.
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Belladonna is not for anybody as a recreational drug. It's used in octal medicine (eyes) to dilate pupils and for other reasons. And it's used in very, very small doses as a stomach relaxant. And there are probably other medicinal uses in doses far too low to cause trippin'. But there is not proper dose to attain a pleasant head trip. The trip is always evil and often fatal. It's a great drug for murder cause ppl assume either accidental ingestion or just one more idiot lookin' for a buzz in all the wrong places. :skull:
Babylon in all its desolation is a sight not so awful as that of the human mind in ruins.
-- Scrope Davies: Letter to Thomas Raikes, May 25, 1835.
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I had a relative in from Germany in town recently and she had some stomach meds in her purse that she needed after eating Mexican food. She offered me one as if it was an antacid she was casually passing around after our meal. I looked at the ingredients and the sole active ingredient was belladonna. Trippy. I declined because my stomach was fine, not because I wasn't curious about the hallucinogenic properties of the drug. It would have been interesting to pop 3-4, maybe not so interesting after reading this thread regarding the ill effects of the drug.
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The spiny apples in Tex and Mexico that grow as weeds are called gymson weed or something similiar. I think it differs from Bella Donna.
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I saw a show about gypsum weed. There was a police video tape of these two guys that were on it. They were having a conversation with each other and you couldn't understand what they were saying, it was just a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Then they started passing an imaginary cigarette back and forth between the two of them. They didn't even realize they were at the police department. One of them kept getting up and trying to walk out the door.
And the stuff grows wild all over TX. Also heard you could get high off of morning glory seeds.
I worked at a boys reform school and they were putting nutmeg in their koolaid trying to get high.
When I was 14 or 15 me & Todd Townley smoked oregano trying to get high. I think we rolled it in notebook paper. :lol:
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[ This Message was edited by: Therion on 2004-02-03 13:07 ]
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When I was 14 or 15 me & Todd Townley smoked oregano trying to get high. I think we rolled it in notebook paper
This is the kind of thing straight would try to use against people by saying that they were "dry druggies" that is - druggies that were going to become druggies eventually, therefore they were in need of treatment. ::deal::
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Why else would Todd's mom convince my mom that I had to be in straight?
When his mom told my mom I was a "drug addict" she couldn't believe it. She went through everything I had all the time and never had found any drugs. I never had any privacy even before straight. My mom would dig through my trash can and piece together notes that I had ripped up so she knew what I was doing.
I had never even bought any drugs before straight. I remember once a friend was going to bring me a joint to school and I was going to pay him $2.00 for it. I was in the 8th grade. He pulled it out in class and I freaked out and never bought it.
I just did what everyone else around me was doing. I acted crazy at home because she was a control freak. Not because I was addicted.
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On 2004-01-16 12:41:00, taureana wrote:
"I saw a show about gypsum weed. There was a police video tape of these two guys that were on it. They were having a conversation with each other and you couldn't understand what they were saying, it was just a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Then they started passing an imaginary cigarette back and forth between the two of them. They didn't even realize they were at the police department. One of them kept getting up and trying to walk out the door.
And the stuff grows wild all over TX. Also heard you could get high off of morning glory seeds.
I worked at a boys reform school and they were putting nutmeg in their koolaid trying to get high.
When I was 14 or 15 me & Todd Townley smoked oregano trying to get high. I think we rolled it in notebook paper. :lol: "
Not sure I'd believe much that came out of those old police propaganda films...
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man spikey apples sent me to the hospital (gypsum, or belladonna) they mad me better and unnatural. in grade nine i was fed them not noing what they would do. now i found out they are pharalys and have to do with dmt. :nworthy:
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also when i was on them.. i was smoking a joint with ppl that were not there (my friends dad had to pick me up and sit me down like 80 times)...police tape is nonphixion
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[ This Message was edited by: Therion on 2004-02-03 13:06 ]
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While I totally and thoroughly enjoy your posts and what you have to say, I think that it is equally important to allow others to post as they wish. Some of us have been around since a the STRAIGHT bbs actually went live online. If it is our desire to post anonymously, let us do so. It's not necessarily a chicken shit thing to do unless we are posting anonymous while talking shit (which is NOT what I am doing now...).
Mutual respect has nothing to do with what YOU alone like as you mentioned. It has to do with EVERYONE, mutually, and respectfully, no?
I don't always like reading redundant posts of senseless poetry on a board that used to mean something, but I do so out of mutual respect (to use your terminology) and I don't complain about it as the bbs is for everyone and everything, respectfully and mutually.
We were all told what to do enough when we were in the program.
Not to slam you man, just a thought.
Mutually and respectfully speaking.
from another baghead
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Ok I can buy that...
Now I feel redundant...
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Disentigrating as it grows, testing our communication
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On 2004-02-03 11:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's not necessarily a chicken shit thing to do unless we are posting anonymous while talking shit "
Very well put. I think that's really the only time posting anon bothers me.By 1940 the literacy figure for all states stood at 96 percent for whites. Eighty percent for blacks. Notice for all the disadvantages blacks labored under, four of five were still literate. Six decades later, at the end of the 20th century, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress say 40 percent of blacks and 17 percent of whites can't read at all. Put another way, black illiteracy doubled, white illiteracy quadrupled, despite the fact that we spend three or four times as much real money on schooling as we did 60 years ago.
--Vin Suprynowicz
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i'm not a chiken shit (i just don't want to take the time to creat a user file if all i want to dois talk about gypsum weed and belladonna ... :smokin:
but non the less the topic has deverted away from it's actual nature by nonsencical naming and repling
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On 2004-02-03 11:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"While I totally and thoroughly enjoy your posts and what you have to say, I think that it is equally important to allow others to post as they wish. Some of us have been around since a the STRAIGHT bbs actually went live online. If it is our desire to post anonymously, let us do so. It's not necessarily a chicken shit thing to do unless we are posting anonymous while talking shit (which is NOT what I am doing now...).
Mutual respect has nothing to do with what YOU alone like as you mentioned. It has to do with EVERYONE, mutually, and respectfully, no?
I don't always like reading redundant posts of senseless poetry on a board that used to mean something, but I do so out of mutual respect (to use your terminology) and I don't complain about it as the bbs is for everyone and everything, respectfully and mutually.
We were all told what to do enough when we were in the program.
Not to slam you man, just a thought.
Mutually and respectfully speaking.
from another baghead
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On 2004-01-19 08:33:00, ClayL wrote:
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On 2004-01-16 12:41:00, taureana wrote:
"I saw a show about gypsum weed. There was a police video tape of these two guys that were on it. They were having a conversation with each other and you couldn't understand what they were saying, it was just a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Then they started passing an imaginary cigarette back and forth between the two of them. They didn't even realize they were at the police department. One of them kept getting up and trying to walk out the door.
And the stuff grows wild all over TX. Also heard you could get high off of morning glory seeds.
I worked at a boys reform school and they were putting nutmeg in their koolaid trying to get high.
When I was 14 or 15 me & Todd Townley smoked oregano trying to get high. I think we rolled it in notebook paper. :lol: "
Not sure I'd believe much that came out of those old police propaganda films..."
It wasn't an old police propaganda film. It was on some show like "You Gotta See This" or something like that.
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Here's the stuff.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/belladonna ... onna.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/plants/belladonna/belladonna.shtml)
I know several people who've tried belladonna as a recreational drug. There's a variety that grows wild and is cultivated in Florida. It's everywhere and has big, bold, bright yellow flowers. Can't miss it. Nobody wants it. The stuff sucks. Even if it doesn't kill you, it makes you nearly blind and reliably gives you a bad trip!
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I just bought a Salvia Divinorum plant at a plant show this weekend. Gonna make my own 10x extract. Gotta love the Diviner's Sage! :smokin:
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