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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: animals all of us on February 03, 2004, 04:21:00 AM
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This is being reedited.
[ This Message was edited by: animals all of us on 2004-12-21 01:57 ]
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This, too.[ This Message was edited by: animals all of us on 2004-12-21 01:58 ]
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A few basic typos from typing so damn fast. I been putting this motherfucker off for a long time.
Let me know.
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looks good Animals - I think that using survivors names do not add anything to your statement. I'd remove them if I were you. Just my opinion.
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Okay.
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You forgot to add that you were incapable of taking responsibility for your life and that other people had control over your behavior. Shut up and got on with your life you pathetic excuse for a human being.
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what's your problem buddy? Obviously straight helped you greatly, I can tell by the empathetic tone of your posting. Or most likely, you were never in straight and are just shooting off your mouth about something you have no idea about.
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Disentigrating as it grows, testing our communication
[ This Message was edited by: Therion on 2004-02-03 13:15 ]
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the truth is the truth regardless if you know my name or not. the only reason you want to know my name is to try and discredit what I said, which you did not, by the way. i find that interesting. you must agree that you straight winers need to take just a little responsibility for your lives. you guys act like you were just one day up and taken to straight for no reason and when you were in there, you behaved perfectly. despite your perfect lives, all these bad things were done to you.
you need to grow up!
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You cant even spell whine.
And you didnt say anything worth discrediting.
You just made a personal attack on someone as I did to you.
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Disentigrating as it grows, testing our communication
[ This Message was edited by: Therion on 2004-02-03 13:15 ]
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buddy, my life is fine; I just think that before you judge someone, you should walk in their shoes. I ain't whining about anything. Just as I am responsible for my choices in life, so are the adults that preyed upon children for monetary rewards. Straight wasn't free you know. My parents didn't pay for the crap that I was subjected to. Whining? hardly. I am a hard working, educated person, I make contributions to the communities that I have lived in and I still do. I think if the folks who were adults when we were in straight took responsiblity then and now, we would be a lot better off today. I don't think I can blame my hardships on Mel, or Betty or any of the other whacked out staff members that were in control when i was enturned. But I do know that what was done to me as a 17 year old child does have a lasting impacts on my life. I do know that I gleaned nothing good from straight, and I am who I am today IN SPITE of straight.
I feel sorry for you. As I read your post, I picture a freaked out old man with a puffed up red face, crazy hair, with spit flying out from his mouth. I wouldn't want to be you as you meet your maker.
oh, and by the way - even if a person used drugs prior to being in straight, and even if they were a pain in the ass to their parents and teachers, they didn't deserve to be treated as they were.
The you done the crime, do the time mentality is ok, just don't include child abuse and brainwashing into the mix. That is one of the fundamentally flawed arguments that the drug warriors and straight supporters as well as many of our parents still use today.
Kpickle39
michael sherman, straight survivor '78 - '80
kpickle39@aol.com
[ This Message was edited by: kpickle39 on 2004-02-03 10:21 ]
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On 2004-02-03 10:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
" you guys act like you were just one day up and taken to straight for no reason and when you were in there, you behaved perfectly. despite your perfect lives, all these bad things were done to you."
For quite a few kids that's EXACTLY what happened. Most of the rest of us were fairly normal teenagers doing fairly normal rebellious things. Every time I hear this same stupid arguement that we did things to deserve being put in there it pisses me off on many different levels. The first is that I don't give a shit if someone did drugs to the point of abuse or not....the cure should never be worse than the "disease". These freaks that called themselves "Drs" or "counselors" were dealing with CHILDREN in a manner that was derived from Korean POW interrogations on our prisoners!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Second, there were A LOT of kids that had no drug problem at all. This was at the height of the goddamn drug war and parents who had kids that stepped out of line AT ALL were scared into thinking that if they didn't do something RIGHT NOW that their kids would die. I mean, COME ON!!!!! This brings me to the third reason why this bothers me...the majority of my friends that I hung out with before going into Straight were doing a lot more drugs than me and got into much more trouble than me. I had smoked some pot and got into a little trouble with drinking. Every one of those people I hung out with now lead successful productive lives WITHOUT all the baggage from a fucking treatment center. I also have a perspective from BOTH sides of this issue...I'm the parent of two teens and both of them have gone through their own ordeals with drugs or alcohol. I understand the fears of having a kid that is heading down the wrong path...it's the most frightening thing in the world......BUT....my job is to help GUIDE them through these times. That comes from developing and nurturing a trusting relationship over the childs lifespan...setting limits and boundries, following through with them. It also includes compassion and understanding for what they're going through. These are some of the toughest times they'll ever deal with. They are GOING TO FALL SOMETIMES.....IT'S LIFE...THEY'RE TEENAGERS. They're going to do some of the stupidest, most frightening things you've ever seen....THEY'RE TEENAGERS. They're going to be hateful and mean and moody....THEY'RE TEENAGERS. They're going to have friends and boyfriends/girlfriends that we hate....THEY'RE TEENAGERS. To lock them up, starve them, beat them, isolate them, and brainwash them into submission only serves aa a temporary (if at all) break in whatever undesired behavior is going on. To have a truly REACH them, you don't BREAK them. More and more professionals are finding this form of "treatment" rather barbaric.
We are responsible for our behafiors before and after Straight....but don't tell me for a second that those assholes had nothing to do with the psychological damage that I walked out of that place with.
and as far as you're "grow up" comment....Bite me asshole. Either you have no fucking clue as to what happened in those buildings or you're one of the assholes who needs to be bitchslapped for the damage YOU did to people in there.Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
Andrew Tannenbaum
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Animals - Only recently having become aware of The Seed and Straight, I am appalled that the persons who exposed you and literally thousands of other kids to systematic abuse have not been held accountable. Had they been made to answer for their wide-spread abuse of the human and civil rights of children, fraudulent business practices and other serious crimes, chances are the new generation of programs would not still be operating with near immunity from damn near doing the same thing! Your letter points to many reasons why it is time for the state of Florida to stop ignoring the complaints of a generation of children - now adults- advocating for change. Good luck and thanks for sharing your letter. I'm sure it was hard work recalling painful memories but hopefully, your effort will not be in vain.
A friend and supporter.
Though I imagine i
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Bunch of whiners!!!!
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On 2004-02-03 12:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
" ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry::
Bunch of whiners!!!!"
Is this truly the best you can do, Anon? Truly?!
I think cayohueso and kpickle hit the nail right on the head and the best you can come up with is a bunch of little icons crying?
How pathetic must be your life when you have to gain attention by actively seeking negative feedback. I can name quite a few people who lurk here who are doctor's, IT Guru's and numerous other professionals who have spent years pulling their heads out of their asses and dealt with the BS that straight placed there. To call us a bunch of whiners shows a serious lack of judgement on you behalf. (Not that I am convinced a person less socialized than my dogs is capable of such judgement.) It has taken me years to finally figure out what was really wrong with me and to clear the conditioned behaviours out. I continue to have issues with the conditioning from time to time and can say the abuse I recieved at the hands of straight has adversly affected all my interpersonal relationships.
Further, I don't need to know the name of a pathetic little loser such as yourself. If you had been in straight, you know that many persons got their little blue chair for no reason other than the person's parents brought them in the front office. I signed myself into that hell hole, only to discover that once there, there was no way out. Even for people over 18.
So, you above average stupy, it is indeed yourself whom is in need of a life and not vice-versa. I'd advise using the 5 criteria (You know, "Is it based on objective reality," and all that other BS.) before you next speak and perhaps a little "Think, think, think," and "Easy Does it!"
CL
PS For those saner indivduals on this board, God I can't believe I remember half this shit sometimes!
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I was impressed there at the end Clay! :wink:
To seek out the best through the whole Union, we must resort to the information which from the best of men, acting disinterestedly and with the purest motives, is sometimes incorrect.
Thomas Jefferson Letter to Elias Shipman and others of New Haven, July 12, 1801.
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Yeah, Morli, in some sick, perverse way, me too! :wink:
CL
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let's go round up some hard pipe hitting motherfuckrs and take on anoymous. I'll take his knees.
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Ooooooohhh! His skull, please?? Can I have his skull? (After I finish beating it a few times with a baseball bat, that is...) :skull:
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I find this one unecessary. Blanked.
[ This Message was edited by: animals all of us on 2004-12-21 01:59 ]
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hey anonymous we are here on this earth to nourish protect and provide for children. what are you doing.
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Nourishing a nice case of mental scabies?
No cream for that shit, baby!
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Can't debate with that one, Texan.
I'm still looking for the antidote.
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Ya know what? I graduated the place and I had some bad experiences from the place and I didn't like it or liked being there and I most certainly can see some negative results about by life that may or may not be a result of Straight. I certainly didn't have as bad of an experience as some people claim they did....I'm not even gonna get into this whole story again. Here is my point, if you feel strong enough about something regardless whatever it is and your heart is truely telling you to do something like write a statement to the police....then by all means do it. Just be true to yourself about whatever you are doing and try not to hurt anyone else or yourself in the process. I am not one to get into text arguements and I can respect just about everyones opinions on various things but, anonymous as you may already know.....not every single person has the same story on why they got placed in Straight or how their experience was while in there. I agree that you or anyone should and will speak an opinion wether we all agree or not on it. I am more curious as to what you read specifically somewhere on here that struck a bad chord in you to react to her the way you did? You also have the right not to answer that as well but,I remember first coming onto this forum and reading stuff that pissed me off simply because I knew or felt very strong that someone was out right lying about something etc. I am well aware that there are people on here that may not like me let alone agree with me because I am never the first in line to jump down Straights throat. I personally had some benefits as a result of Straight and I suffer with somethings that I believe could be a result of Straight. My point is this.....I try very hard everyday to better myself and to look at life a little bit different then I am used to. I am most certainly not God nor do I have the right to make judgments on people the way I did everyday since I graduated and for years in recovery. I still fail at this at times but, my life in general is so much better when I started working on this shit daily. Emotions are strong man, and life is and can be real short....ok now I don't even know what I am typing anymore as it is late. I am not trying to tell ya what to do...you do as you wish as that is what she will do and I will do and by the way my name is Scott Davis I am not concerned with people trying to discredit me or insult whatever.
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This is a reply to the Anonymous Dicklicker who says that Straight Victims/Survivors need to "quit whining". You ignorant asshole. By your logic, cutting off a hand is a good remedy for a hangnail. Go back to sucking your dad's AIDS-ridden cock and licking your mom's herped-out cunt (my apologies to AIDS and herpes victims for lumping them in with this asshole's parents). Anonymous Dicksucker, I will gladly fuck you up if I ever meet you in a person. :skull: :skull:
[ This Message was edited by: Idreamofnewtonsburning on 2004-02-12 12:52 ]
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Thank all of you for proving my point! Grow up and move on with your life.