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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 30, 2004, 09:36:00 PM
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TO THE PARENTS
AS LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA S. DE RL.? WE FEEL IT IS OUR MORAL DUTY TO INFORM YOU THE FOLLOWING.
THE CORPORATION CALLED ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? (?ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY AT LAKE CHAPALA?) WAS CONSTITUTED WITH A HUNDRED PER CENT MEXICAN CAPITAL, ON APRIL 30th OF 2003, UNDER PUBLIC DOCUMENT NO. 8,286, VOLUME 184, IN HERMOSILLO, SONORA, BEFORE NOTARY NO. 46, ATTORNEY ROMELIA RUIZ CAZARES AND IT WAS REGISTERED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE OF CHAPALA, JALISCO, ON MAY, 7th, 2003, WITH THE NUMBER 173 OF THE SECOND TOME OF THE FIRST BOOK OF THE RECORDS COMMERCE, AND AT THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE, WITH THE FEDERAL REGISTRATION (RFC) AVA030430TE9, BEING PARTNERS, THE ATTORNEY PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ AS THE SOLE ADMINISTRATOR, MRS. IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT AS THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CORPORATION AND MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO GOMEZ AS GENERAL MANAGER.
THE IDEA OF HAVING OUR ?ACADEMIA? IN THE COMMUNITY OF AJIJIC, JALISCO, AS WELL AS RENTING THE REAL STATE AND THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ITS OPERATION WERE NEGOTIATED IN THE MONTH OF MAY. SUBSEQUENTLY, IT WAS AGREED WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS, VERBALLY, TO RECEIVE THE YOUNGSTERS THAT HE WOULD SEND FROM THE ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY UTAH. THE CHARGE WAS TO BE $2,000.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT (MONTHLY) WHO WOULD GET ROOM AND BOARD IN THE HOUSE AT 94-?A? CONSTITUTION STREET IN AJIJIC. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, MR. ROGERS DIDN?T PAY THE AGREED AMOUNT OF TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS, THE AGREED UPON AMOUNT. INSTEAD HE PAID ONLY $500.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT. THE CONTRACT WAS NEVER FORMALLY LEGALIZED WITH THE UTAH ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY. WE WAITED FOR HIM TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION, BUT HE DID NOT RESPOND.
FOR THAT REASON AND REQUIRING MORE PERSONNEL TO PROVIDE BETTER CARE FOR THE YOUNGSTERS, MR. CRAIG ROGERS WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AS TO THE INCOME IN UTAH AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTS THAT HE MADE WITH THE PARENTS. HE DIDN?T PAY ATTENTION TO OUR REQUEST AND THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO THE YOUNGSTERS. VARIOUS CONSULTANTS VISITED THE INSTITUTION IN JUNE AND JULY AND WILL CONFIRM THE EXCELLENCE OF OUR SERVICE.
THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ASSOCIATION OF VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE STAFF THAT MR. CRAIG ROGERS HIRED FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THE YOUNGSTERS, THEY WERE PEOPLE WITHOUT EXPERIENCE IN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, SPECIALLY MR. JOHN NIELSEN WHO HAS A BAD RECORD IN HIS PREVIOUS JOBS. THIS IS DOCUMENTED IN THE ARCHIVES OF A WORLD KNOW ASOCIATION CALLED ?YOUTH WITH A MISION? A.R. IN CHAPALA, JALISCO (YWAM, JALISCO) WITH A WEB SITE http://www.ywamguadalajara.com (http://www.ywamguadalajara.com).
FOR THESE REASONS, WE INFORMED MR. CRAIG ROGERS AS TO THE SITUATION ABOVE MENTIONED WAS DAMAGING THE IMAGE OF THE SCHOOL AS WELL AS THE SUBSTANCE HE WAS PUTTING AT RISK THE EDUCATION OF THE YOUNGSTERS. MR. ROGERS DIDN?T RESPOND TO THIS AND INSTEAD HE FOCUSSED IN FINDING AN INVESTOR FOR ?HIS? BUSINESS. HE NEVER LET US KNOW ANY OF THIS. HE ASKED FOR THE BOOKS OF OUR CORPORATION, WHICH WAS DENIED BECAUSE WE HAD NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO DO THIS. THEREFORE MR. ROGERS DECIDE TO GO TO THE ACCOUNTANT?S OFFICE AND WITH THREATS TRIED TO GET THEM (THERE ARE WITNESSES OF THIS FACTS). BEING ANNOYED BY NOT GETTING THE RECORDS HE ORDERED MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO TO GO FROM THE PROPERTY RENTED BY OUR CORPORATION SLANDERED AND THREATED HIM.
WHEN THE SITUATION GOT TO THIS POINT WE DECIDED FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR CHILDREN, TO PUT OUR CORPORATION ON SALE TO MR. ROGERS BUT HE COULDN?T PAY. THAT IS WHY THE MEMBERS OF ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? HAVE TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY WE HAD RENTED AND PROCEED LEGAL ACTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN AN ILLEGAL MANNER.
WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS NOT AND THERE WAS NEVER WAS DURING THE FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS OF OPERATION ANY CONTRACT WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS TO PROMOTE OUR SERVICES THROUGH THE INTERNET, A WEB PAGE ?ABUNDANT LIFE ACEDEMY? WHERE HE APPOINTS HIMSELF AS THE DIRECTOR OF OUR SCHOOL IN MEXICO AND THE ACADEMY OF ABUNDANT LIFE OF UTAH. BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT NEVER EXISTED ANY CONTRACT WITH HIM FOR HIS SERVICES. EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY COMMON AGREEMENT, HOPING THAT HE WOULD CLEAR OUT THE FINANCING STATEMENTS OF HIS BUSSINES IN THE UNITED STATES.
SOME OF THE PARENTS, AS WELL AS SOME AMERICAN RESIDENTS THAT ARE NEIGHBORS OF THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? HAVE SPOKEN TO MR. JOSUE APARICIO TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT AND ALSO TO EXPRESS THEIR DISATISFACTION WITH MR. JOHN NIELSEN?S ATTITUDE AND THE LACK OF MORALITY AND ETHICS FROM MR. CRAIG ROGERS. THEY HAVE ALSO ASKED HIM TO SUPPORT US IN ANY SITUATION THAT WILL CARRY ON IN THE FUTURE.
WE ARE REALLY SORRY FOR WHAT UNFORTUNATELY IS HAPPENING NOW, HOWEVER WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUIRED OR DESIRED.
abundantlifeacademyatlakechapala@yahoo.com.mx
SINCERELY,
ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA, S. DE R.L.
ADMINISTRATOR
ATTY. PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ
GENERAL MANAGER
CPA JOSUE R. APARICIO GOMEZ
AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE
IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT
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Karen, care to comment? Is this one of those "better more kinder" programs...or is this one of the "better more kinder" headmasters, Mr. Rogers?
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Really licking your chops aren't you Carey?
I know Craig well. I know Josue much less well, but I know him. My son knows them both very well.
This is not a surprise to either of us, or the parents of the students. Its not my place to respond; except to say, based on my acquaintance with both men; and the experience my son had while attending ALA, Craig continues to have my trust and support.
God's Peace -
Nate's Mom
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Well, we all know what your endorsement is worth...NOT MUCH! You bringing Craig and his programs into the light are probably not exactly what he was hoping for, at least not any more. As a matter of fact, I bet that is exactly the reason Sue does not want me disclosing information in her deposition. Not only does it show how little she knows about what she is doing but it really could adversely affect those programs she refers to.
I would imagine you have cast a dark shadow over his operation. Not exactly the kind of attention a program and its headmaster would hope for.
Oh well, and God said let there be light...
Thanks!
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2004-01-30 21:44 ]
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Dear Josue,
Everytime you do something like this you remind me how much I love you and miss you. I dont appreciate the lies that you spread about me, but everytime you do something like this it reminds me to pray for you and your family. These attacks against me just remind me of how great the loss our friendship was to me, and how much I hope that it will be restored. I pray that God will give you the blessings that He has in store for me. I also pray for our relationship to be healed and restored soon. I cant imagine the pain you must be going through. For you to openly lie about me you must be suffering tremendously. I am sorry, but when you decided to get back into drugs didnt you expect your life to fall apart. When you decided to embezzle money didnt you expect that our business relationship would end. I deeply hurt inside for you and your family, and I miss our friendship termendously. When you betrayed me it not only hurt me but hurt many people including all those of ALA who care about you. I miss our relationship. I wish you had not thrown everything away. But what else was I to do. You gave me no alternative but to end our business relationship. All you had to do was repent and stop using drugs and our friendship would have endured. I am sorry that I had to air your personal faults on a public web site, but when you posted the lies about me what did you expect. I wish only the best for you and your family. I can hardly wait for God to answer my prayer to reconcile us and to restore our relationship. All it would take is for you to acknowledge the wrongs you committed against me and ALA. I have already forgiven you, and hope that we can be friends once again.
In God do I trust....
God bless you,
Craig Rogers
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Are you slandering as the first post said? This is a pretty serious allegation. Would the Director of an Academy that help youth take a stand for their life and God really be posting what you just posted? Is that what you're about...Revenge????
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Craig, you are one scarry fellow. I think you need to take your self-righteous attitude back before the alter of God and pray, only this time pray for yourself, you are the one who needs it.
The God I know and worship surely wouldn't have listened to a word you just spit up. The one and only true God would have asked you, had he listened to you, why are you tearing down your brother as you are. How you can pray for someone and at the same time be so slanderous speaks volumes about your religeous self righteous beliefs.
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Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later, labeling kids with a disease of the heart to explain what in most teens is simply a phase. When are you parents going to get it? Even God can not cure adolescence, what makes you think you can? Entitlement-itis is not a behavioral disorder.
http://abundantlifeacademy.com/phpbb2/ (http://abundantlifeacademy.com/phpbb2/)
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Whew! Anybody taste a little...saccharine...in here?
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Here is the evidence of the THREAT that supports what i posted at the begining:
MR. CRAIG ROGERS
BEING ANNOYED BY NOT GETTING THE RECORDS HE ORDERED MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO TO GO FROM THE PROPERTY RENTED BY OUR CORPORATION SLANDERED AND THREATED HIM.
EVIDENCE:
MR. CRAIG ROGERS send me a E-mail from his personal account THREATED my children :
De: Craig Rogers
Enviado el: Lunes, 27 de Octubre de 2003 04:28:52 a.m.
Para: "apa031" apa031@hotmail.com (http://mailto:apa031@hotmail.com)
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This is how MR CRAIG ROGERS deals with truth by twistened......
http://www.abundantlifeacademy.us/phpbb ... c.php?t=19 (http://www.abundantlifeacademy.us/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=19)
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DEVLIN ... if you are reading this, can you pleeease get to the bottom of what's going on with these folks?
Thanks!!
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i will look into things. Craig if you read this please coperate with a investigation into ALA. It will go much smoother and faster. Also it goes to show you have nothing to hide. Personally i think ALA is a step in the right direction if what you say is true and proven. Unfortanitly there has been red flags raised by a few post by a former employee. It is obviouse somthing is going on, someone is lying big time. The investigation will show who is.
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ISSAC should look into this as well. I dont have a lot of time, i am busy fighting Mountain Park now. But i will look into ALA since i have talked to Craig before and have some knowledge on them already. I think Craig will coperate so the investigation will go fast.
to JOSUE R. APARICIO GOMEZ e-mail me at:
drgrave2@charter.net (http://mailto:drgrave2@charter.net)
Any results of the investgation will be posted online.
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Hopefully Devlin or ISAC will get to the bottom of this. Personally, I don't much like the holier-than-thou tone used by the headmaster of ALA in defense of what sounds like rather serious allegations. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
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:exclaim: CHANGE YOUR MIND :exclaim:
Mr. Craig Rogers you forgot you little masterpice
Wierdo From Mexico
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 7:25 am Post subject: If you want to know how wierdo CrazyMexicanLiar and his family...
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TO THE PARENTS... I am a wierd Mexican thief and I steal from whom ever I can, and my name is illrelevent because I lie anyway
AS ILLEGAL REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ?SCHOOLforTHIEVES andDRUGusersWHOsteal fromUNSUSPECTINGgodlyAMERICANS whoAREgoodPEOPLEwithGOODhearts PLEASEdontTRUSTjosueORirelena CHAPALA S. DE RL.? WE FEEL IT IS OUR IMMORAL DUTY TO INFORM YOU THE FOLLOWING. DONT TRUST DRUG USERS, THIEFS, AND PEOPLE WHO CHEAT ON THEIR WIVES.
THE CORPORATION CALLED ?SCHOOLforTHIEVES andDRUGusersWHOsteal fromUNSUSPECTINGgodlyAMERICANS whoAREgoodPEOPLEwithGOODhearts PLEASEdontTRUSTjosueORirelena CHAPALA? (?ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY IN MY DREAMS?) WAS NEVER CONSTITUTED WITH MEXICAN CAPITAL, ON APRIL 30th OF 1923, UNDER PUBLIC DOCUMENT NO. HORSESBUTT, VOLUME 184, IN HERMOSILLO, SONORA, BEFORE NOTARY NO. 0, ATTORNEY ROMELIA RUIZ CAZARES AND IT WAS REGISTERED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE OF CHAPALA, JALISCO, ON MAY, 7th, 2003, WITH THE NUMBER 173 OF THE SECOND TOME OF THE FIRST BOOK OF THE RECORDS COMMERCE, AND AT THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE, WITH THE FEDERAL REGISTRATION (RFC) AVA030430TE9, BEING PARTNERS, THE ATTORNEY CrazyMexicanThief LIESand CHEATS CHEATSonMYwife AS THE SOLE ADMINISTRATOR, MRS. WifeofaCrazyMexicanThief SUPPORTERofJOSUEtheTHIEFandLIAR LIESand CHEATS AS THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CORPORATION AND MR. CrazyMexicanLiar ROMAN Whostealsandlies DRUGuserADDICT AS GENERAL THIEF.
THE IDEA OF HAVING OUR ?SCHOOLforTHIEVES? IN THE COMMUNITY OF AJIJIC, JALISCO, CRIAG ROGERS. SUBSEQUENTLY, IT WAS NEVER AGREED WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS, WRITTEN OR VERBALLY, TO RECEIVE THE YOUNGSTERS THAT HE WOULD SEND FROM THE ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY UTAH. MR. ROGERS NEVER AGREED BECAUSE HE KNEW I WAS A THIEF AND MY MOTHER IN LAW WAS EVEN MORE OF A THIEF. THE CHARGE WAS TO BE $200 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT (MONTHLY) WHO WOULD GET ROOM AND BOARD IN THE HOUSE AT 94-?A? CONSTITUTION STREET IN AJIJIC. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, MR. ROGERS DIDN?T PAY THE AGREED AMOUNT OF TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS, THE AGREED UPON AMOUNT. INSTEAD HE PAID $500.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT BECAUSE HE IS A GENEROUS MAN AND I ENJOY STEALING FROM HIM. THE CONTRACT WAS NEVER FORMALLY LEGALIZED WITH THE UTAH ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY BECAUSE MR ROGERS IS NO DUMMY AND HE KNOWS I AM A THIEF. WE WAITED FOR HIM TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION, BUT HE DID NOT RESPOND BECAUSE HE IS TOO DAM SMART.
BECAUSE I NEVER DID WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO MR: ROGERS HAD TO PROVIDE BETTER CARE FOR THE YOUNGSTERS, MR. CRAIG ROGERS WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AS TO THE INCOME IN UTAH AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTS THAT HE MADE WITH THE PARENTS SO THAT WE COULD CHEAT HIM EASIER. HE DIDN?T PAY ATTENTION TO OUR REQUEST AND THE ?SCHOOLforTHIEVES andDRUGusersWHOsteal fromUNSUSPECTINGgodlyAMERICANS whoAREgoodPEOPLEwithGOODhearts PLEASEdontTRUSTjosueORirelena CHAPALA? NEVER DID PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO THE YOUNGSTERS. VARIOUS CONSULTANTS VISITED THE INSTITUTION IN JUNE AND JULY AND COULD TELL YOU HOW MUCH THEY DID NOT TRUST US BECAUSE THEY COULD EASILY SEE THAT WE WERE FOOLS WHO ONLY WANTED TO CHEAT AND STEAL.
THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ASSOCIATION OF andDRUGusersWHOsteal fromUNSUSPECTINGgodlyAMERICANS whoAREgoodPEOPLEwithGOODhearts PLEASEdontTRUSTjosueORirelena CHAPALA WERE VERY SATISFIED WITH THE STAFF THAT MR. CRAIG ROGERS HIRED FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THE YOUNGSTERS, BBUT THEY CAUGHT ME USING DRUGS AND STEALING MONEY. SPECIALLY MR. JOHN NIELSEN WHO HAS A TREMENDOUS RECORD IN HIS PREVIOUS JOBS ROOTING OUT CROOKS LIKE ME.... DAM I HATE IT WHEN I GET CAUGHT AND THE GRAVEY TRAIN ENDS. THIS IS DOCUMENTED IN THE ARCHIVES OF A WORLD KNOW ASOCIATION CALLED ?YOUTH WITH A MISION? A.R. IN CHAPALA, JALISCO (YWAM, JALISCO) WITH A WEB SITE http://www.ywamguadalajara.com./ (http://www.ywamguadalajara.com./)
FOR THESE REASONS, WE INFORMED MR. CRAIG ROGERS AS TO THE SITUATION ABOVE MENTIONED WAS DAMAGING THE IMAGE OF THE SCHOOL HOPING THAT THIS WOULD ALLOW ME TO BLACKMAIL MR ROGERS. BUT HE WAS TOO SMART. SO I HACKED INTO HIS EMAIL ACCOUNT AND SENT MYSELF A DAMAGING EMAIL TO MYSELF SO IT WOULD LOOK LIKE MR ROGERS SENT IT. BUT THAT TRICK DID NOT WORK EITHER, BECAUSE MR ROGERS IS A GODLY MAN AND DID NOT FALL FOR THAT TRICK. MR. ROGERS DIDN?T RESPOND TO THIS AND INSTEAD HE FOCUSSED IN FINDING GOOD AND MORAL EMPLOYEES FOR HIS SCHOOL. I HATE WHEN GOOD PEOPLE COME IN A RUIN MY TRICKS. WHEN MR ROGERS DISCOVERED THAT I WAS EMBEZZLING HE ASKED FOR THE BOOKS OF OUR CORPORATION, WHICH WAS DENIED BECAUSE WE HAD NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO DO THIS. THEREFORE MR. ROGERS DECIDE TO GO TO THE ACCOUNTANT?S OFFICE AND AKSED THE ACCOUNTANT NICELY IF HE COULD SEE THE BOOKS. MY FOOLISH ACCOUNTANTS SHOWED HIM THE BOOKS WHICH PROVED I WAS STEALING. DAM I WAS MAD. SO, THE ONLY THING I COULD DO SINCE THEN IS TO SLANDERED AND THREATED MR ROGERS. IT DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE HE IS PROTECTED BY GOD AND MY LIES DONT TOUCH HIM.
WHEN THE SITUATION GOT TO THIS POINT WE DECIDED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CHILDREN TO ADMIT THAT WE ARE THIEVES, TO PUT OUR CORPORATION ON SALE TO MR. ROGERS BUT HE WOULD NOT TAKE A BRIBE. THAT IS WHY THE MEMBERS OF ?SCHOOLforTHIEVES andDRUGusersWHOsteal fromUNSUSPECTINGgodlyAMERICANS whoAREgoodPEOPLEwithGOODhearts PLEASEdontTRUSTjosueORirelena CHAPALA? HAVE TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY BEFORE WE GET CAUGHT AND GO TO PRISON, WHICH IS THE BEST PLACE FOR THIEVES.
WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS NOT AND THERE WAS NEVER WAS DURING THE FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS OF OPERATION ANY CONTRACT WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS BECAUSE MR ROGERS IS NO FOOL. I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I ADMIRE MR. ROGERS FOR BEING A GODLY MAN AND FOR SEEING THREW MY LIES AND BAG OF TRICKS.
SOME OF THE PARENTS, AS WELL AS SOME AMERICAN RESIDENTS THAT ARE NEIGHBORS OF THE ?SCHOOLforTHIEVES andDRUGusersWHOsteal fromUNSUSPECTINGgodlyAMERICANS whoAREgoodPEOPLEwithGOODhearts PLEASEdontTRUSTjosueORirelena CHAPALA? HAVE SPOKEN TO ME TO SHOW THEIR DISDAIN AND ALSO TO EXPRESS THEIR DISATISFACTION WITH ME AND THE LACK OF MORALITY AND ETHICS FROM ME AND MY FAMILY.
WE ARE REALLY SORRY FOR WHAT UNFORTUNATELY IS HAPPENING NOW, HOWEVER WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUIRED OR DESIRED.
mailto:abundantlifeacademyatlakechapala@yahoo.com.mx
SINCERELY,
SCHOOLforTHIEVES andDRUGusersWHOsteal fromUNSUSPECTINGgodlyAMERICANS whoAREgoodPEOPLEwithGOODhearts PLEASEdontTRUSTjosueORirelena CHAPALA, S. DE R.L.
ADMINISTRATOR
LeadersOFthePACKofWOLVESandCHIEFliar CrazyMexicanThief LIESand CHEATS CHEATSonMYwife
GENERAL MAINcrookANDthief
CPA CrazyMexicanLiar R. Whostealsandlies DRUGuserADDICT
AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE
WifeofaCrazyMexicanThief SUPPORTERofJOSUEtheTHIEFandLIAR LIESand CHEATS
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What is this, somebody's idea of a joke? This is a program for troubled teens, for God's sake, not messed up adults. Craig, Karen, can you please provide a rational explanation as to what the heck is going on here?
:roll:
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http://www.abundantlifeacademy.com/testimony.php (http://www.abundantlifeacademy.com/testimony.php)
Check it out...the same Bozak that took Carey for a ride along side Sue is recommending ALA. Uh oh Uh oh Uh oh....Sue - Karen - Bozak....and another school with a lot of controversy surrounding it.
Hmmmmm.............
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Visit report by Steve Bozak, Educational Consultant - June 2003 Tel: 518-373-8069
There is something to be said in taking the troubled teens far away from their home and friends. Here is a beautiful, well kept home in Mexico in a family atmosphere where these boys, aged 14 to 18, are kept from making bad choices as they all work on academics and maturing into well behaved young gentlemen. The strong Christian Evangelical atmosphere is just what some parents find necessary to get these boys back in the straight and narrow way.
The nearest airport is in Guadalajara and is just less then a two hour plane flight from Houston Texas. Craig Rogers and two boys met me at this small airport. The school was about a 30 minute drive away.
The two students were my guides. One from Hawaii and the other from Idaho. They happily showed me around the school and town. They introduce me to all 17 boys who were currently attending Abundant Life Academy. Even the new boy whom I met who had just arrived the day before and thought he wasn?t going to enjoy being here, seemed to be adjusting very quickly soon after he was rested and fed with the good food here. The other students paled up with him showing him the positive culture of the home and quickly he felt at home with his new friends and family.
I sat in on two therapeutic type meetings which seem to occur twice a day. All the boys and many of the staff participated in a discussion of issues and plans on how to improve themselves. The students all participated eagerly and politely. The strong Christian influence was quite obvious during these meeting and everyday life at the school.
The kids here were all having fun. The house had an indoor swimming pool, pleasant chatter among the kids and there was a nearby water park that the kids visited during my stay. There were many wireless high speed online computers for the students to used under good supervisor. The many staff often carried wireless telephones and the kids seemed to call home freely apparently when ever they wanted but the phone was always under control of the staff.
Many of the boys volunteered to scout the nearby streets and pick up trash Saturday morning. My two student guides showed me where they would get a hair cut down the street at the barber shop for $3.00 US.
The conservative town this school is located in was obviously strongly catholic with a large American population. Nearby was a very large lake and the neighborhood was very artsy with many galleries owned and operated by snow bird Americans. But the town was not a tourist town. The ex-patriots I spoke to were all retired professionals from the states.
The boys at Abundant Life Academy were all working on finishing high school. They were planning to go on to college from this high school. As I observed the boys in their daily lives, I could see that all the temptation from home were now too far away to be a distraction. The kids were positive as they supported one another to do the right things. This is obviously a positive peer culture acting therapeutically to mature these kids into productive citizens.
Steve Bozak CEP
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:smile: :smile:
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::boohoo:: ::boohoo:: ::boohoo:: ::boohoo::
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Some points are simply obvious. What possible rationale could there be for ever sending a child out of the country for treatment at a behavior modification facility? The most significant problem with all these "schools" is that they operate as private jails and without ongoing scrutiny by the courts or school boards. Operating outside this country's borders simply increases the potential for harm by unsupervised operators, the likelihood that something bad will happen and that if it does there will be nothing you can do about it. If the operators of a school have a good program with a real, as opposed to an anecdotal, record of success they would be operating closer to home.
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Every loathsome group in the world has rights except for one - children.
Parents can send you to any fly-by-night program they want to, and they will strip you of every conceivable right you thought you had as a human being, but your wrong - you have no rights!
Is it right? No. It is a fact. So, what's a kid to do? If I were a young person of a family with the means to send me away, I would try like hell to stay on the right side of my parents. I realize that is not a very popular solution, but it beats the hell out of going to some God awful program. However, if you find yourself on the wrong side of your parents you best just suck it up!
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On 2004-02-10 16:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Every loathsome group in the world has rights except for one - children.
Parents can send you to any fly-by-night program they want to, and they will strip you of every conceivable right you thought you had as a human being, but your wrong - you have no rights!
Is it right? No. It is a fact. So, what's a kid to do? If I were a young person of a family with the means to send me away, I would try like hell to stay on the right side of my parents. I realize that is not a very popular solution, but it beats the hell out of going to some God awful program. However, if you find yourself on the wrong side of your parents you best just suck it up!
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Wrong. Kids have died in these places. If your parent is the type to have escorts get you in the middle of the night----or the hysterical, gullible type (which amounts to the same thing)---then you need to never, ever confide anything about sex or drugs to your parents (not even rape)---get a twenty-something to drive you to a confidential clinic or crisis center if you need care. *Do not* tell parents.
If you have any reason to believe your parents are investigating this type of place, particularly out of the country, you need to seriously consider getting a fake ID, running away out of state and lying about your age to the same kinds of places that hire illegals (and working hard as hell for little pay), changing your appearance as much as possible, and not contacting anyone you are related to or used to know for any reason until *after* your 18th birthday.
Sorry, but kids have *died* in these places. Running and staying off the radar is terribly dangerous, and you'll have to play catch-up with your education, but you can recover from anything except dead.
If a parent is irresponsible enough to send a kid to one of these private jails, the kid can't bet the parents will be responsible enough to choose a private jail that won't kill him/her.
By all means do your best to stay on your parents' good side---including treating them completely like a mushroom about anything that would upset them. But if you think they're about to ship you to a TBS, run---but run *smart*---don't end up enslaved to some pimp by being too trusting of strangers, have a fake ID in hand if you can, look for jobs where the illegals go and work *real* hard without ever complaining. And don't make the mistake most runaways that end up in TBS's make of contacting *anybody* you knew in your former life until *after* you turn eighteen and have some legal rights.
If you have to run, you have to be the adult from that day forward---nobody will protect you but *you* and you need to *really* watch out for the predators that haunt bus stations and such who come up and are "nice" to runaways. Don't trust anybody's sudden kindness not to have an ulterior motive. Only trust soup kitchens and such if they promise absolute confidentiality, and avoid cops like the plague.
For your fake ID, pick a name that matches your apparent ethnic background, but does *not* match your initials. Most people keep their initials when they assume a false name---it's a mistake and will get you caught. Don't pick a name that's too weird or too common---no "John Smith."
Pick a state that's warm enough in the winter that you won't freeze to death if you can't find shelter.
Is running away as a teen risking your life and dangerous as hell? Yes. But if you can make yourself be an adult and your parents are irresponsible enough or dangerous enough to trust one of these private jails, it may be the *lesser* risk. You'll have to judge that for yourself.
If you are lucky enough to have friends in another state who are libertarian enough to break bad laws without blinking, and who are vocally opposed to such schools, *maybe* it's worth it to take a risk and contact one early on--but it's a *big* risk of getting caught. Most runaways who get caught and sent back get caught by trusting an adult or friend who they never thought would turn them in but who caves under the legal risks and the spectacle of the nationwide search of everyone who thinks the teen was abducted and maybe murdered, and who rationalizes that *maybe* the parents can be persuaded *not* to incarcerate the teen or *maybe* the TBS won't be *that* bad.
If you run, better not to risk trusting anybody who knows your real identity, nor confide your real identity to anybody you decide to trust---not until *after* your 18th birthday.
Your goal, if you run, is to *survive*---undetected, unaddicted, unraped, and uninfected until your 18th birthday. After you turn 18, you can contact anyone you want.
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On 2004-02-10 13:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Some points are simply obvious. What possible rationale could there be for ever sending a child out of the country for treatment at a behavior modification facility? The most significant problem with all these "schools" is that they operate as private jails and without ongoing scrutiny by the courts or school boards. Operating outside this country's borders simply increases the potential for harm by unsupervised operators, the likelihood that something bad will happen and that if it does there will be nothing you can do about it. If the operators of a school have a good program with a real, as opposed to an anecdotal, record of success they would be operating closer to home. "
What say you Karen Z.? Sending your son to Costa Rica didn't exactly work out according to you, but it's okay to send kids to Mexico as long as it is a faith-based program? I might have bought that except for the fact that the Anon who wrote this post is 100% correct. Also, has this situation with the disgruntled business partner (or whoever he/she is) been resolved to your satisfaction? Seems to me some sort of a public announcement and/or update is in order.
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Karen Z., can we please get down to the worm in the bottle? What the hell happened with those allegations leveled againt the ALA campus in Mexico? Were they legit, bogus or some place in-between?
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Well whomever you be,
Can't help but wonder why you keep asking.
Its been said Josue's claims are bogus. Apparently you don't want to believe this, or her; so why do you keep asking?
I assume, just so you can keep the thread from falling into forum oblivion; the same reason it?s been bounced like a rubber ball - up and down, up and down.
I imagine everyone has seen it and there?s nothing more to be said. So what?s the point?
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That's strange Anon, I don't recall seeing any formal (or even casual) explanation from Burnett and Rogers. Do you? And BTW, aren't you just the slightest bit amused with folks who think talkin' outta both sides of their mouth is how to win friends and influence people?
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What kind of Formal response/explanation do you want? Casual, you got. As for Formal, I can't imagine what you expect on a forum that anyone would call Formal.
Who's trying to win friends or influence people by lying and hypocrisy; which is what I take it you mean to be saying.
If you Really care what Burnett or Rogers has to say, why don't you call and talk to them about it?
If you are actually only trying to find a clever way to call them lying hypocrites, why bother with being coy?
Out with it!!
Why not start a whole new thread - Burnett and Rogers, the lying hypocrites?
Carey and company will just love you for it.
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On 2004-02-23 12:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What kind of Formal response/explanation do you want? Casual, you got. As for Formal, I can't imagine what you expect on a forum that anyone would call Formal.
Who's trying to win friends or influence people by lying and hypocrisy; which is what I take it you mean to be saying.
If you Really care what Burnett or Rogers has to say, why don't you call and talk to them about it?
If you are actually only trying to find a clever way to call them lying hypocrites, why bother with being coy?
Out with it!!
Why not start a whole new thread - Burnett and Rogers, the lying hypocrites?
Carey and company will just love you for it.
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Now, now, mi amigo (or is it amiga?) let's just stay focused on the question instead of trying to convert it into another I HATE CAREY song and dance. The fact is there was no explanation, casual or otherwise. Just a bunch of personal accusations and rather demeaning holier-than-thou preaching to the choir posts, as I seem to recall. Of course, feel free to correct me if I am wrong. As for the hypocritical stuff, that's more or less a matter of interpretation but from where I sit, that's the picture I see emerging.
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The fact is there was no explanation, casual or otherwise. Just a bunch of personal accusations and rather demeaning holier-than-thou preaching to the choir posts,
as you point out:
that's more or less a matter of interpretation
Its the best your gonna get. If you want more, you'll have to remain dissatisfied; Or, make the calls I suggested.
That might get a better result.
If you aren't interested enough to make the effort, than again, I wonder why you keep asking?
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Is this what ALA is all about. Are they forcing Christianity down the throats of teens. Taking them off to Mexico and holding them captive until "they believe." I myself am a Christian, but it is by choice, the only way it is meant to be.
Link to post on ALA site:
http://abundantlifeacademy.com/phpbb2/v ... 128fd2ed2e (http://abundantlifeacademy.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=22&sid=60ffd3c86a9fde942dcfa1128fd2ed2e)
jennymaddux
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Location: St. George Utah
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:39 pm Post subject: prayers for my son Douglas and his family
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I would like to ask for prayers for my son Douglas who is in Mexico now and for his family who continues to pray for him back home that his heart will be softened and he will remember who he is Christ. That he will turn his life over to him and be a warrior for the Kingdom of Heaven. I ask that he will be able to turn away from the enemies lies and deceit. I Thank You Father for the knowledge that you have the power to set this young man's heart on fire for the Word of God. I pray that you will give him a desire to serve you and only you. I ask that you help heal this family and the hurts that have been caused as we have struggled with this precious boy. I Thank You for reminding me at one of the most difficult times in our lives that all things are possible through you. In Jesus Christ I pray, Amen.
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Well, Karen what say you? Does ALA accept involuntary placements or not?
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On 2004-01-31 16:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later, labeling kids with a disease of the heart to explain what in most teens is simply a phase. When are you parents going to get it? Even God can not cure adolescence, what makes you think you can? Entitlement-itis is not a behavioral disorder.
http://abundantlifeacademy.com/phpbb2/ (http://abundantlifeacademy.com/phpbb2/)"
gosh, i would certainly have to agree with this anon. all teens are self centered by nature.
:idea: hey, wasn't this already labeled ODD!?
And,
i'm terribly sceptical of people who God this and God that, God is the answer to everything. Too many people just hide their deceit behind religion. Yes, i believe in God and that there is right and wrong. BUT I still remember the day that the preacher on sunday morning was bitching out the congregation for not, in so many words, puttin enuf $ in the offerin plate, yeah, he sugar coated it, but we ALL knew what he was saying. My grama's church, it was. My grama, being i guess about 70 at the time, who, by the way lives on $360 a month soc. security, put in five bucks a week. How insulting ! how UNCHRISTIAN, as far as i'm concerned. i'm afraid religion has become like everything else in today's society boils down to:::::THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR and not the principles. i'm not totally anti-religion, the 10 comandments to me represent univeral morals for all societies to abide by. We have all, however, at one time or another seen religion used as a tool to manipulate people in some form or another.
signed,
not totally anti-religion, WP
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I am trying to gather information on this place ALA and what they are, how they operate and if they should or can be trusted with minors or with anyone. Something doesn't seem right here. any info would be appreciated.
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I have spent much time researching ALA by calling Focus on the Family, talking to several parents of children in and graduated from the program and many hours on the phone with various staff at ALA. I have found nothing negative and have had only positive responses. I hope if you are looking at placing a child anywhere, in or out of the US, you will prayerfully take the time to research the places you are considering and then trust God to lead you to the right one for your child.
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On 2004-03-07 20:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I have spent much time researching ALA by calling Focus on the Family, talking to several parents of children in and graduated from the program and many hours on the phone with various staff at ALA. I have found nothing negative and have had only positive responses. I hope if you are looking at placing a child anywhere, in or out of the US, you will prayerfully take the time to research the places you are considering and then trust God to lead you to the right one for your child."
Excuse me, prayer is not going to help parents feel confident about a program facing the kind of allegations leveled against ALA on this forum. DEAL with the allegations instead of glossing them over. It is not very professional.
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Try doing some research. There is a watchdog organization for teen programs. Go to http://www.isaccorp.com (http://www.isaccorp.com) and see if there are any complaints or pending litigation. This step should be taken prior to any placement. But prayer is still #1!
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And...remember anyone can post anything on these boards without the allegations ever being investigated. Outside organizations with independent investigators are the only way to get an unbiased, unpaid for report.
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Prayer is NOT #1.
ACCOUNTABILITY is #1.
Serious allegations have been raised and the notion that ALA is somehow not accountable is patently ridiculous.
ALA should issue a public statement, either on their own website or here, on Fornits, where the allegations have been posted.
ISAC is not the DEFINITIVE word on anything or anybody.
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I'm new to this. Could you please specifically state what the allegations are? Not generally but specifically? Who is making them? What authorities have been notified? What newspapers are covering this story? The only thing I have seen here is some stuff from a disgruttled employ.
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Anon, I got news for you. A person (whether they are a parent, student, employee or ex-employee) can be "disgruntled" and have a LEGITIMATE complaint at the same time. In fact, the 2 usually go hand-in-hand ...
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On 2004-03-08 10:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Try doing some research. There is a watchdog organization for teen programs. Go to http://www.isaccorp.com (http://www.isaccorp.com) and see if there are any complaints or pending litigation. This step should be taken prior to any placement. But prayer is still #1!"
I have personally never heard one single complaint based on firsthand experience about Al Queda. They do offer a faith based training program for teenaged boys. And I understand they're expending their mission to include teenaged girls, too. I've never heard anything bad about them, except for from the liberal media. ISAC doesn't have them listed as potentially bad so then they must be good, right?
Here's a novel (or maybe arcane) idea. Don't ship your kids off to strangers who will restrict their ability to leave or to contact friends and family outside of the facility. It's a bad idea from bottom to top. If you even have to as "Oh, btw, did you happen to hear of any alleged rapes or beatings or other kinds of torture?" then you do NOT know enough about them to trust them w/ your kid!
There's so much comedy on television. Does that cause comedy in the streets?
-- Dick Cavett
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If you even have to as "Oh, btw, did you happen to hear of any alleged rapes or beatings or other kinds of torture?" then you do NOT know enough about them to trust them w/ your kid!
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again, where are the news stories? In what state were the charges filed? Post the names and phone numbers of the parents that have first hand knowledge of this abuse. What court is handling the case? Where is the proof?
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On 2004-03-08 16:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"again, where are the news stories? In what state were the charges filed? Post the names and phone numbers of the parents that have first hand knowledge of this abuse. What court is handling the case? Where is the proof?"
Perhaps Anon needs to re-read this post to ascertain exactly what has been alleged and by whom rather than asking questions that are not particularly relevant to the issues at hand.
Posted: 2004-03-03 17:43:00
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TO THE PARENTS
AS LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA S. DE RL.? WE FEEL IT IS OUR MORAL DUTY TO INFORM YOU THE FOLLOWING.
THE CORPORATION CALLED ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? (?ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY AT LAKE CHAPALA?) WAS CONSTITUTED WITH A HUNDRED PER CENT MEXICAN CAPITAL, ON APRIL 30th OF 2003, UNDER PUBLIC DOCUMENT NO. 8,286, VOLUME 184, IN HERMOSILLO, SONORA, BEFORE NOTARY NO. 46, ATTORNEY ROMELIA RUIZ CAZARES AND IT WAS REGISTERED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE OF CHAPALA, JALISCO, ON MAY, 7th, 2003, WITH THE NUMBER 173 OF THE SECOND TOME OF THE FIRST BOOK OF THE RECORDS COMMERCE, AND AT THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE, WITH THE FEDERAL REGISTRATION (RFC) AVA030430TE9, BEING PARTNERS, THE ATTORNEY PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ AS THE SOLE ADMINISTRATOR, MRS. IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT AS THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CORPORATION AND MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO GOMEZ AS GENERAL MANAGER.
THE IDEA OF HAVING OUR ?ACADEMIA? IN THE COMMUNITY OF AJIJIC, JALISCO, AS WELL AS RENTING THE REAL STATE AND THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ITS OPERATION WERE NEGOTIATED IN THE MONTH OF MAY. SUBSEQUENTLY, IT WAS AGREED WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS, VERBALLY, TO RECEIVE THE YOUNGSTERS THAT HE WOULD SEND FROM THE ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY UTAH. THE CHARGE WAS TO BE $2,000.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT (MONTHLY) WHO WOULD GET ROOM AND BOARD IN THE HOUSE AT 94-?A? CONSTITUTION STREET IN AJIJIC. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, MR. ROGERS DIDN?T PAY THE AGREED AMOUNT OF TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS, THE AGREED UPON AMOUNT. INSTEAD HE PAID ONLY $500.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT. THE CONTRACT WAS NEVER FORMALLY LEGALIZED WITH THE UTAH ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY. WE WAITED FOR HIM TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION, BUT HE DID NOT RESPOND.
FOR THAT REASON AND REQUIRING MORE PERSONNEL TO PROVIDE BETTER CARE FOR THE YOUNGSTERS, MR. CRAIG ROGERS WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AS TO THE INCOME IN UTAH AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTS THAT HE MADE WITH THE PARENTS. HE DIDN?T PAY ATTENTION TO OUR REQUEST AND THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO THE YOUNGSTERS. VARIOUS CONSULTANTS VISITED THE INSTITUTION IN JUNE AND JULY AND WILL CONFIRM THE EXCELLENCE OF OUR SERVICE.
THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ASSOCIATION OF VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE STAFF THAT MR. CRAIG ROGERS HIRED FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THE YOUNGSTERS, THEY WERE PEOPLE WITHOUT EXPERIENCE IN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, SPECIALLY MR. JOHN NIELSEN WHO HAS A BAD RECORD IN HIS PREVIOUS JOBS. THIS IS DOCUMENTED IN THE ARCHIVES OF A WORLD KNOW ASOCIATION CALLED ?YOUTH WITH A MISION? A.R. IN CHAPALA, JALISCO (YWAM, JALISCO) WITH A WEB SITE http://www.ywamguadalajara.com (http://www.ywamguadalajara.com).
FOR THESE REASONS, WE INFORMED MR. CRAIG ROGERS AS TO THE SITUATION ABOVE MENTIONED WAS DAMAGING THE IMAGE OF THE SCHOOL AS WELL AS THE SUBSTANCE HE WAS PUTTING AT RISK THE EDUCATION OF THE YOUNGSTERS. MR. ROGERS DIDN?T RESPOND TO THIS AND INSTEAD HE FOCUSSED IN FINDING AN INVESTOR FOR ?HIS? BUSINESS. HE NEVER LET US KNOW ANY OF THIS. HE ASKED FOR THE BOOKS OF OUR CORPORATION, WHICH WAS DENIED BECAUSE WE HAD NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO DO THIS. THEREFORE MR. ROGERS DECIDE TO GO TO THE ACCOUNTANT?S OFFICE AND WITH THREATS TRIED TO GET THEM (THERE ARE WITNESSES OF THIS FACTS). BEING ANNOYED BY NOT GETTING THE RECORDS HE ORDERED MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO TO GO FROM THE PROPERTY RENTED BY OUR CORPORATION SLANDERED AND THREATED HIM.
WHEN THE SITUATION GOT TO THIS POINT WE DECIDED FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR CHILDREN, TO PUT OUR CORPORATION ON SALE TO MR. ROGERS BUT HE COULDN?T PAY. THAT IS WHY THE MEMBERS OF ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? HAVE TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY WE HAD RENTED AND PROCEED LEGAL ACTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN AN ILLEGAL MANNER.
WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS NOT AND THERE WAS NEVER WAS DURING THE FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS OF OPERATION ANY CONTRACT WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS TO PROMOTE OUR SERVICES THROUGH THE INTERNET, A WEB PAGE ?ABUNDANT LIFE ACEDEMY? WHERE HE APPOINTS HIMSELF AS THE DIRECTOR OF OUR SCHOOL IN MEXICO AND THE ACADEMY OF ABUNDANT LIFE OF UTAH. BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT NEVER EXISTED ANY CONTRACT WITH HIM FOR HIS SERVICES. EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY COMMON AGREEMENT, HOPING THAT HE WOULD CLEAR OUT THE FINANCING STATEMENTS OF HIS BUSSINES IN THE UNITED STATES.
SOME OF THE PARENTS, AS WELL AS SOME AMERICAN RESIDENTS THAT ARE NEIGHBORS OF THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? HAVE SPOKEN TO MR. JOSUE APARICIO TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT AND ALSO TO EXPRESS THEIR DISATISFACTION WITH MR. JOHN NIELSEN?S ATTITUDE AND THE LACK OF MORALITY AND ETHICS FROM MR. CRAIG ROGERS. THEY HAVE ALSO ASKED HIM TO SUPPORT US IN ANY SITUATION THAT WILL CARRY ON IN THE FUTURE.
WE ARE REALLY SORRY FOR WHAT UNFORTUNATELY IS HAPPENING NOW, HOWEVER WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUIRED OR DESIRED.
abundantlifeacademyatlakechapala@yahoo.com.mx
SINCERELY,
ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA, S. DE R.L.
ADMINISTRATOR
ATTY. PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ
GENERAL MANAGER
CPA JOSUE R. APARICIO GOMEZ
AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE
IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT
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On 2004-01-30 18:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"TO THE PARENTS
AS LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA S. DE RL.? WE FEEL IT IS OUR MORAL DUTY TO INFORM YOU THE FOLLOWING.
THE CORPORATION CALLED ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? (?ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY AT LAKE CHAPALA?) WAS CONSTITUTED WITH A HUNDRED PER CENT MEXICAN CAPITAL, ON APRIL 30th OF 2003, UNDER PUBLIC DOCUMENT NO. 8,286, VOLUME 184, IN HERMOSILLO, SONORA, BEFORE NOTARY NO. 46, ATTORNEY ROMELIA RUIZ CAZARES AND IT WAS REGISTERED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE OF CHAPALA, JALISCO, ON MAY, 7th, 2003, WITH THE NUMBER 173 OF THE SECOND TOME OF THE FIRST BOOK OF THE RECORDS COMMERCE, AND AT THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE, WITH THE FEDERAL REGISTRATION (RFC) AVA030430TE9, BEING PARTNERS, THE ATTORNEY PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ AS THE SOLE ADMINISTRATOR, MRS. IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT AS THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CORPORATION AND MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO GOMEZ AS GENERAL MANAGER.
THE IDEA OF HAVING OUR ?ACADEMIA? IN THE COMMUNITY OF AJIJIC, JALISCO, AS WELL AS RENTING THE REAL STATE AND THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ITS OPERATION WERE NEGOTIATED IN THE MONTH OF MAY. SUBSEQUENTLY, IT WAS AGREED WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS, VERBALLY, TO RECEIVE THE YOUNGSTERS THAT HE WOULD SEND FROM THE ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY UTAH. THE CHARGE WAS TO BE $2,000.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT (MONTHLY) WHO WOULD GET ROOM AND BOARD IN THE HOUSE AT 94-?A? CONSTITUTION STREET IN AJIJIC. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, MR. ROGERS DIDN?T PAY THE AGREED AMOUNT OF TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS, THE AGREED UPON AMOUNT. INSTEAD HE PAID ONLY $500.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT. THE CONTRACT WAS NEVER FORMALLY LEGALIZED WITH THE UTAH ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY. WE WAITED FOR HIM TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION, BUT HE DID NOT RESPOND.
FOR THAT REASON AND REQUIRING MORE PERSONNEL TO PROVIDE BETTER CARE FOR THE YOUNGSTERS, MR. CRAIG ROGERS WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AS TO THE INCOME IN UTAH AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTS THAT HE MADE WITH THE PARENTS. HE DIDN?T PAY ATTENTION TO OUR REQUEST AND THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO THE YOUNGSTERS. VARIOUS CONSULTANTS VISITED THE INSTITUTION IN JUNE AND JULY AND WILL CONFIRM THE EXCELLENCE OF OUR SERVICE.
THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ASSOCIATION OF VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE STAFF THAT MR. CRAIG ROGERS HIRED FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THE YOUNGSTERS, THEY WERE PEOPLE WITHOUT EXPERIENCE IN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, SPECIALLY MR. JOHN NIELSEN WHO HAS A BAD RECORD IN HIS PREVIOUS JOBS. THIS IS DOCUMENTED IN THE ARCHIVES OF A WORLD KNOW ASOCIATION CALLED ?YOUTH WITH A MISION? A.R. IN CHAPALA, JALISCO (YWAM, JALISCO) WITH A WEB SITE http://www.ywamguadalajara.com (http://www.ywamguadalajara.com).
FOR THESE REASONS, WE INFORMED MR. CRAIG ROGERS AS TO THE SITUATION ABOVE MENTIONED WAS DAMAGING THE IMAGE OF THE SCHOOL AS WELL AS THE SUBSTANCE HE WAS PUTTING AT RISK THE EDUCATION OF THE YOUNGSTERS. MR. ROGERS DIDN?T RESPOND TO THIS AND INSTEAD HE FOCUSSED IN FINDING AN INVESTOR FOR ?HIS? BUSINESS. HE NEVER LET US KNOW ANY OF THIS. HE ASKED FOR THE BOOKS OF OUR CORPORATION, WHICH WAS DENIED BECAUSE WE HAD NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO DO THIS. THEREFORE MR. ROGERS DECIDE TO GO TO THE ACCOUNTANT?S OFFICE AND WITH THREATS TRIED TO GET THEM (THERE ARE WITNESSES OF THIS FACTS). BEING ANNOYED BY NOT GETTING THE RECORDS HE ORDERED MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO TO GO FROM THE PROPERTY RENTED BY OUR CORPORATION SLANDERED AND THREATED HIM.
WHEN THE SITUATION GOT TO THIS POINT WE DECIDED FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR CHILDREN, TO PUT OUR CORPORATION ON SALE TO MR. ROGERS BUT HE COULDN?T PAY. THAT IS WHY THE MEMBERS OF ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? HAVE TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY WE HAD RENTED AND PROCEED LEGAL ACTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN AN ILLEGAL MANNER.
WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS NOT AND THERE WAS NEVER WAS DURING THE FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS OF OPERATION ANY CONTRACT WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS TO PROMOTE OUR SERVICES THROUGH THE INTERNET, A WEB PAGE ?ABUNDANT LIFE ACEDEMY? WHERE HE APPOINTS HIMSELF AS THE DIRECTOR OF OUR SCHOOL IN MEXICO AND THE ACADEMY OF ABUNDANT LIFE OF UTAH. BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT NEVER EXISTED ANY CONTRACT WITH HIM FOR HIS SERVICES. EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY COMMON AGREEMENT, HOPING THAT HE WOULD CLEAR OUT THE FINANCING STATEMENTS OF HIS BUSSINES IN THE UNITED STATES.
SOME OF THE PARENTS, AS WELL AS SOME AMERICAN RESIDENTS THAT ARE NEIGHBORS OF THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? HAVE SPOKEN TO MR. JOSUE APARICIO TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT AND ALSO TO EXPRESS THEIR DISATISFACTION WITH MR. JOHN NIELSEN?S ATTITUDE AND THE LACK OF MORALITY AND ETHICS FROM MR. CRAIG ROGERS. THEY HAVE ALSO ASKED HIM TO SUPPORT US IN ANY SITUATION THAT WILL CARRY ON IN THE FUTURE.
WE ARE REALLY SORRY FOR WHAT UNFORTUNATELY IS HAPPENING NOW, HOWEVER WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUIRED OR DESIRED.
abundantlifeacademyatlakechapala@yahoo.com.mx
SINCERELY,
ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA, S. DE R.L.
ADMINISTRATOR
ATTY. PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ
GENERAL MANAGER
CPA JOSUE R. APARICIO GOMEZ
AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE
IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT
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Craig, any truth to the allegations made about the staff, specifically, Mr. John Nielson? Who is this guy and why would these people allege he has a bad record in the industry if they didn't have documentation to support such a claim? Second, Karen Burnett has made many posts (since erased) on this forum many of which were aimed at disparaging the character and reputation of Carey Bock. These posts were vicious and served no better purpose than to try and intimidate Ms. Bock into silence. Why? What did Bock know that Ms. Burnett did not want revealed on a public forum? Back-biting is not the way to boost one's reputation and credibility. The truth is what counts, for better or worse.
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March 27, 2004
Dear Concerned Citizen,
On Wednesday Dr. Michael Newdow, a non-practicing lawyer and emergency room doctor, went before the United States Supreme Court to argue for the removal of ?under God? from our Pledge of Allegiance.
Dr. Newdow is concerned that his daughter is being traumatized when school officials lead her through the Pledge each morning. He believes her school district is violating the First Amendment?s Establishment Clause by requiring schools to lead even willing students in the Pledge.
His 9 year old daughter doesn?t report being traumatized. She and her mother, Sandra Banning, are Christians. Sandra Banning wants ?under God? left in the Pledge. Dr. Newdow is an atheist activist. He and Sandra never married. She has been battling the tenacious Dr. Newdow for years in a series of legal skirmishes over custody of the child.
So if we are being accurate we would say that it is Dr. Newdow who is traumatized that his daughter agrees with her mother and gladly says the words ?one nation under God? every morning in school. If anything is traumatizing Dr. Newdow?s daughter it would most likely be his repeated legal harassment of her and her mother.
He was more honest when he told the court that, ?when I see the flag and I think of pledging allegiance, it?s like I?m getting slapped in the face every time, bam, you know, ?this is a nation under God, your religious belief system is wrong.??
A bit of history is needed lest we become trapped inside Dr. Newdow?s sensibilities.
The separation of church and state does not mean yielding cultural control to the state. In fact, it means the exact opposite. If individuals do not posses inalienable rights based on ?God or God?s nature?, history has taught us that individuals end up under the authority of a powerful few.
Even William of Ockham, that great defender of the individual, a full four hundred years before our forefathers signed the United States Constitution, insisted that our individual liberty comes from God or nature. Our natural positive right of use of things or to make laws and sit rulers can not ultimately be taken away. No ruler or state has absolute power because they can not remove these liberties granted to men by God and nature.
Our founding fathers agreed. Their declared rights of liberty and equality come from God, not from government.
If our liberty comes from a government then that same government can take that liberty away. Our founding fathers believed that government is only the custodian of a liberty derived from a source that is beyond the authority of the state.
In short, we are a nation ?under God?, not ?under itself?.
"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis,
a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"
Thomas Jefferson
The French revolution took place just after ours. Their source of liberty was the state. That revolution was short lived. It ended in a reign of terror followed by decades of despotic rule.
Our founder?s insistence on the separation of church and state was to sustain, not diminish, the people?s positive liberty to express their faith, whatever that faith is, even Dr. Newdow?s atheism.
But what would happen if we as a nation all agree with Dr. Newdow and no longer believe in God?
Nietzsche predicted the answer. He asserted that western civilization was built on the fiction that God exists and that he gives meaning to our lives.
Belief in God sustains silly notions such as human equality and individual rights. Once God?s death is finally accepted the west would collapse into a great despair. Totalitarian strong men would be welcomed by the common person who is now hungry for meaning and order in a Godless world.
What is so chilling about Nietzsche?s prediction is that he was right. Following God?s funeral in 19th century Europe, the next century will be remembered as the age of atheistic totalitarianism. Nazism and Communism took 100 million lives, both mocking human equality and individual liberty.
So when our good friends, The Knights of Columbus, proposed in 1954 that Congress add ?under God? to our Pledge of Allegiance the vote was unanimous. Not quite a decade out from its horrifying war with goose-stepping Nazis, America was entering a new conflict, this time a Cold War, with yet another atheistic totalitarian regime.
Atheistic totalitarianism was becoming a real pain in the neck.
"[The words 'under God'] will help us to keep constantly in our minds and hearts the spiritual and moral principles which alone give dignity to man, and upon which our way of life is founded."
President Dwight Eisenhower
Today Dr. Newdow and other evangelical atheists seek to undo all of this. It would be a remarkable concession to the power of the state and to exclusive secularism to decide to remove ?under God? from the pledge.
Why would the court do this?
Because Dr. Newdow and his friends are employing a new strategy. They assert that faith statements can be offensive and violate our privacy. Maybe if we eliminate them from prominence we would all get along better?
But beliefs by their definition are worldviews lacking absolute knowledge.
This would include not only theistic beliefs such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but also secular belief systems such as atheism and scientism. They are all worldviews. Even Dr. Newdow admits his atheism is a ?religious belief system?.
Belief is an integral part of what it means to be human, to be limited in our ability to know. We all are people of faith. The question is faith in what?
This fabricated new right, the right to be protected from being offended by what others believe, has the potential of becoming a moral cancer on America. It is also a ridiculous notion.
A recent poll said that 87% of the American public want ?under God? to remain in the pledge.
It is essential for all of our liberties, including those of Dr. Newdow, that the Supreme Court leave it in.
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On 2004-03-28 15:06:00, Word of Wisdom wrote:
Once God?s death is finally accepted the west would collapse into a great despair.
If Western civilization keeps producing xtian idiots like you, I say "let it fall down"
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Conservative Christians insist that they haven't evolved. I believe them!
Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense...
-- John Adams, (1788)
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"THE FORERUNNER- PREPARING THE WAY"
~by Arthur Wallis.
"Behold, I send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me:
and the Lord whom you seek, shall suddenly come to His temple" (Mal.
3:1).
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EXPECT MY WORD TO BE MADE MANIFEST
Great and Mighty is the Lord your God and I AM doing great and mighty
acts in your behalf! The I AM has been bridging the gaps with all the
unknowns being bridged for you. There is no area of your life or
calling that I have not moved in ... Now you will see each
uncertainty becoming a certainty.
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You sap. Have you ever felt the pleasure of hacking someone to death with a cleaver? Or squeezing someone's neck until they turn blue and their eyes bulge out of their head? Or feeling the bones in someone's face break as you connect with a solid punch? There is nothing so spiritually gratifying. It's better to regret something you HAVE done than something that you haven't done...
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Steve you need to update your report they are not in that building anymore. There is no indoor pool and right now they have nothing they just moved the kids again. for the 3rd time since they opened in June? of last year.
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ALA can go to fucking hell!
- Past student :skull:
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all bow to craige the one and only! one who has power to get u out or keep u in! people dont know what he does to their kids!With bribes and deals and they look like they apeal but no they are fake shams.kids caught with "drugs" trade a van for bail or something of the sort no idea has past his mind of helping these kids cope with reality and their SHIT!
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=9&3 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=7392&forum=9&3)
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On 2004-10-23 09:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
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ALA can go to fucking hell!
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your response shouts loud and clear the reason you were there in the first place.
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http://www.isaccorp.org/documents/alamexico.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.org/documents/alamexico.pdf)
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On 2004-12-11 15:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
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ya well i wouldnt have that responce if they havent done that shit !
mandi
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Hey Mandi, good to hear from you. How are you?
It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.
--Arthur C. Clarke, author
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