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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: jimy2748 on January 29, 2004, 06:03:00 AM
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hi there guess who give you a hint clares x husband i here people are talking shit about me i never claimed to be perfect like u assholes.i might be clares x but i would never say a bad word about her she is the reason i lived as long as i did she has a great heart and would never hurt anyone any of her real freinds no this.im looking for some of my old freinds from the old elan 7 my e-mail is jimy2748@hotmail.com
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On 2004-01-29 03:03:00, jimy2748 wrote:
"hi there guess who give you a hint clares x husband i here people are talking shit about me i never claimed to be perfect like u assholes.i might be clares x but i would never say a bad word about her she is the reason i lived as long as i did she has a great heart and would never hurt anyone any of her real freinds no this.im looking for some of my old freinds from the old elan 7 my e-mail is jimy2748@hotmail.com jim woodman
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so if you are who you say you are who went in the ring with phill williams before he died?
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i went in the ring with him i was also with him when he died to bad a real good kid sad life.
[ This Message was edited by: jimy2748 on 2004-01-30 00:15 ]
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Jimy you have stated that you were there with Phil when he died .
I would like to ask you to post about this in as much detail as you can remember . I think it is important that this be done and I hope you can comply .
It is elan that was responsible for his death ,not you .
Please as much as you can remember and why was their no investigation .Do you remember which director was present ?
Thank you
Matt c. Hoffman
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ther were alot of people u could blame but it wasnt the ring.he use to get bad headpain fromhis first day there hospitals nurse no one could explain why. he was my good freind.i cant lie about elan and blame them.I use to hate elan for some of the things they did before but ithas change over the years both my kids were there because i no atleast 95 percent care most of the bad have been gone for a long time i have been involved being with clare for so long i no what goes on and how it has changed.i would send my kids there know not before.
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i think its more claire gettin poked at then u jimmy. but did you send your kids to elan as well? i never really knew claire or took her seriously but who did right. with all this bs done in the 80's how the fuk did this place stay open? how did you guys restrain yourselves from kickin joes ass to the curb? he was so blissed out on drugs anyway he wouldnt have remembered.
SyN
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On 2004-01-30 03:36:00, jimy2748 wrote:
"ithas change over the years both my kids were there
i would send my kids there know not before."
so, did you send your kids there????
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No statute of limitations on murder or manslaughter in maine
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What about being an accessory to murder after the fact ?
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fuck u anonymous it wasnt in the ring that it happen so get your facts straight. u wernt there i was i went threw the same shit u cowards went threw .u sit behind that computer and make up stories that u and i no arent true and take a way from the real facts.if u could all tell the truth u wouldnt mind telling everyone your real names. later u little punks i guess elan did fuck u up. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :wink:
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hey art i was never staff there and never would have been then used and abused go ahead take your shots at me. atleast ican hold myself resposible for fucked up life.my moyher or father or elan made meinto what i was.grow the fuck up u was already fuck up before u got there what do u wont a pitty party.no u all wont something for nothing just like they did. what a joke most of u are.when did u become as sick as them. what a waste of time listening to this bullshit.no one wants to here the real facts.im out of here. would like to here from my old freinds. the rest of get over it.
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Jimmy, don't let these people bother you. They have this imaginary cause going because they don't have anything else in thier lives. You do dude. They can spell better but they aren't on your level. You made yourself understood.
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hey thanks, when where u in elan. if u like to no more about this e-mail me and we wii talk.the hell with artie and the rest of his clan that dont really give a shit about the truth.
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either you aren't who you say you are or your still elans lap dog. i think your full of shit jimmy, and if you are the real "jim" then i have no respect for you.
so you went through elan then sent your kids there.?? what an asshole, subjecting your children to that place. i was there in the late 90's it wasnt a day camp you prick it was still elan, with the same assholes like gotlieb and marty. rings n haircuts. mostlt same assholes running the place. Gottlieb was the worst, though during many groups we tried to make that man blow a blood vessel, he hade some serious issues though. With no problem to take them out on the kids, he was the text book bi polar who shouldnt be in charge of animals let alone a theraputic community. none of the older staff were qualified to run or work there. They covered up attacks physical and sexual from parents and tried to keep the money rolling by lieing to parents on their childrens progress.
but either way i dont think jim is who he claims to be. But if you are Jim then your still an asshole who sent their kid to elan AFTER YOU KNEW WHAT HAPPENS THERE. loser.
SyN
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You know jeff was once asked what he would being doing if he weren't doing his elan bag .
it was a really tense situation over 65 people were straining to hear what jeff was going to say . (to those of you who can actually read and comprehend English ,I apologize because this is something that was posted a while back) finally after much pondering jeff says "if i weren't doing this I would be a shoe salesman"
To me (I almost burt out laughing )is probably all he should be doing . Working with animals Syn is something that I would not want to see happen .
We all know how he abused young kids (including adults in my time there) Imagine what he would do to animals .
Animals don't have a voice and could not tell anyone about the situation .Imagine their plight .
Not to belittle your thoughts Syn .I believe jeff should be food for animals
Matt
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lol. no sweat matt. funny shit man...
SyN
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Lets see If I have this right Jimmy.
Your parents are responsible for you being a fuck up.
Your kids are fucked up so you sent them to elan. Obviously you are responsible.
Your a flooring installer barely. You Can hardly keep sober
Oh yeah I do remember you and Phil. In my opinion You contributed to his condition, the kid was constantly complaining of migraines. Yopu went and hit him in the head. He died shortly after from an aneurism.
You are really like a bad cartoon.
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cop to your guilt jim, if the above is true then that truly is fukd up.... perhaps you should tell the proper authorities about this, you can only deal with killing a person for so long. and you shouldnt be elans lap dog anymore, what else are you covering up for them???
SyN
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I would like someone to e-mail me and tell me what exactly all the shit is about. I went to Elan for 3 years and I want to know what all this is about. I think I really got something out of it but I can't be the only one who thinks that. I was in the ring, sat in the corner for 3 months & can't begin to count the fucking G.M.s I got plus all the shit Anne used to do to me. But I still don't hold a grudge. Maybe I was lucky? Maybe I didn't get treated the way you guys did but I know that place did me some good. Please e-mail me and lets talk about what happened...I would like to be involved.
frum67@hotmail.com
if anyone is interested...peace out
Matt Frum To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
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when were u there x?
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MIke, what in elan happened that made you obsess with this website so much. I really dont understand. You have a wonderful life now. I thought? I just don't get why? Have you dealt with what is truly real yet? Just curious.
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hi matt your right these guys dont care about truth there a bunch of scum sucking assholes that are trying to get something for nothing. there low lifes that pass blame for there fucked up life. dont have time now matt but would like to talk to u latter.got a life to live.
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On 2004-02-01 08:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"MIke, what in elan happened that made you obsess with this website so much. I really dont understand. You have a wonderful life now. I thought? I just don't get why? Have you dealt with what is truly real yet? Just curious."
not in elan anon but that it is still open but hey i'll open up the post on why i hate elan so you can read it. if you wish to ask me more questions tell me your name.
SyN
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hey anonymous what happen when u where where there did someone hurt your feelings u sound like someone one i use to know by the name of john ricci use to freind but he had to be a little bitch like the rest of u.you people dont have a clue you guys are just a bunch of fucking babies that have no life going after people that are no longer there grow the fuck up u saps.
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Jim who are you really?? cause you aren't who you say you are. would you rather us go after you??? seems you fukd up if you really are who you claim, punching a kid giving him an aneurism.....
anyone one know Phil's last name?? i bet his folks would like to read how cold jim is to the fact he boxed their boy to death....
if jim is who he says he is anyway. simple way to find out really.. matt can check your i.p and see if its from maine or not. If it is Jimmy you will go down with elan on this. i dont care how long it has been. if they can keep persecuting skakel they can open this one up too.
Call me a sap or whatever all you want but if your really the jim that boxed that kid to death you will pay for what you did, and for helping elan cover it up. Which i guess makes you a sap too, but i think i'll call you FRESH FISH bitch.
SyN
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Hey you guys! Syn, Art, what's the point on wasting our precious time discussing matters of a depth that this Jimmy dude obviously can't undesrtand? I see ppl putting in a lot of effort just to give this Jimmy looser facts that prove that Elan is a fucked up place. And all we get in response are ignorant, non sense, childish replies. If this guy is who he really claims he is, then let's deal with him in court, but let's not feed in to his bullshit. His replies won't go any further than constantly repeating himself about "our low lives". Yet he doesn't have a fucking clue about our lives and he obvioulsy doesn't understand the impact that Elan have caused to us. He must be completely brainswashed, but I don't think we'll have any success in opening his mind, so fuck him!
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damn u females n your common sense. thankz marina.
SyN
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You're Welcome!!!!!!!!!
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ill see all u fuck up babies in court i like to see the low lifes u really are.im so scared assholes u only wish u had that kind of power.
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to bad u dont have any of them.tell me do u live anywhere near me i would love to come visit u. well im going to take a ride in my BMW to pick up this foxy girl i met. and enjoy life like u people should.
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thats where your wrong dip shit u dont nohow or when it happen.i can tell u be a good witness.u would be the one in jail for lying on the stand.and i would be able to tell them what really happen. when where u there bone head.
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Jim,
How on earth did Clare go for someone as poorly spoken as you? I'm sorry, but if I had a nickel for everytime someone threatened to sue anyone on one of these Web sites, I could retire rich.
Like I said, I like Clare, but you're really being obnoxious.
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what the matter artie does the truth hurt u dont want people to know the truth u want to fii there heads with your lies.i never ilike elan or agree with there methods but i hate liars.please lets take a vote and see how many people would like to hear the truth and how many dont.
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pete i see how many freind u have here why dont u go find yourself alittle girl.
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Jim, OK, everyone else has the problem, not you. We're just all assholes and you're the voice of reason. Grow up. I was trying to help you.
[ This Message was edited by: Peter Moore on 2004-02-05 14:40 ]
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i never said i didnt have my own problems.but we sent are nicole there and she is now in college.my son jessie which just came homew and is doing great thanks to them.my point is elan was a bad place back then i would have never sent my kids there then. the reason i cant relate to u people is u have lied about my faimly and alot of other good people.the old elan died with joe the new elan works look at the results it speaks for itself.if u want to act like grown ups i will if u dont this site is just abunch of bullshit.because it shows u dont care about kids enough to hear about the change.
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On 2004-02-05 15:13:00, jimy2748 wrote:
"if u want to act like grown ups i will if u dont this site is just abunch of bullshit.because it shows u dont care about kids enough to hear about the change.
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If you want to be treated like a grown-up, please learn how to spell like one so that we can understand your posts.
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On 2004-02-05 15:13:00, jimy2748 wrote:
"because it shows u dont care about kids enough to hear about the change.
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no, it shows we care enough not to ship our kids off to someplace for strangers to fix him.
So what you're saying is that we should ignore all the other people that say that it is still fairly bad and just take your word for it that all is well??? I think not.
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whats really grown up is hiding your names so u can shit on everyone.and then you can play both sides. u guys must have a pretty lonely life.what wrong did no one like u in elan.u probly got pick on as a kid.
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u get the point asshole.your just a nother dan trying to make money at the cost of other people u could careless about the truth loser. the worst kind kind of loser.
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Jim,
I'm not saying that Elan may be less abusive compared to the old days but the only person telling lies about your family is some guy named Nazi who is no longer here. Jordan, Marina, Art, Syn, myself and everyone else have not said abusive or untrue things about Clare. We should not be targets for your hostility. Telling others to grow up and face the music doesn't work. Your major contact with Elan since you left, I'm sure, has been Clare who, from a director's perspective, would only give a certain view of the place. Like every Elan staff member, she has been completely unapologetic about the errors of the "new Elan" or any other Elan for that matter.
You've defended your family and that's fine. Beyond that, don't pick on others.
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peter maybe your right and maybe i was out of line but i feel nobody has anything good to say on this site. phill was my good friend he did not die from the ring i know i was with him by myself when he died it was not in the ring but no one seems to care about the truth.im going to jail i dont think so.good luck trying.we all went thur the same shit there.some have alot more hate then others.itell people its better my kids went it help them get it together. so call us bad parents dont think so i would have to say smart parent better then jail or dead.
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Jim,
That's fine and I certainly hope it's applicable to your kids. As far as "nothing good to say," what you have to understand is that this is very much a site to note the negative components of Elan. There's another site, Elanalum.com, that takes the positives and negatives into account but is usually more about the alumni getting reacquainted than anything else.
Take it easy,
Pete
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I don't know what to make of you Warshawsky.I wish I could picture you.Your name is familiar
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jimi,, u sent yer kids there,, who paid????????
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I am not Jim W although I was in 7 with him and dave b,
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Where were you and when artie ?