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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: wesfager on January 26, 2004, 08:22:00 PM
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I had nothing to do with the planning or organization of the recent protest of the Holocaust Museum function. I did, however, cover it on my web page in almost real-time. I have just published an editorial which hopefully will shed further light on why the protesters felt justified in what they did--at least from my point of view. I have sent a copy of my report to the St. Petersburg Times which decided to cover the awards banquet but ignore the disturbance outside. Here is my editorial:
http://thestraights.com/articles/holoca ... verage.htm (http://thestraights.com/articles/holocaustprotestnewscoverage.htm)
Wes Fager
[ This Message was edited by: wesfager on 2004-01-27 08:33 ]
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Hey Wes "Faker",
Thanks for responding to my email asking for your advise and direction...
Rich Mayflower Survivor 82-83
[ This Message was edited by: Walstib14 on 2004-01-26 20:35 ]
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He's not the f*cking wizard of oz, a**hole... :roll:
SHOW SOME RESPECT!Nothing is denied to well-directed labor, and nothing is ever to be
attained without it.
--Joshua Reynolds (1723-1792)
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Maybe he should speak for himself.
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On 2004-01-26 20:59:00, morli wrote:
"He's not the f*cking wizard of oz, a**hole... :grin: :grin: You got knocked the fuck out !! :grin:
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I just made an update to my editorial at 10:00 AM EST.
Wes
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Wes, you said in your article "And why would the local papers refuse to carry the story of such a visible, yet highly unusual protest?"
Mabye because it is a dead issue because Straight is no more. For those who were abused and mistreated it will continue to be an issue, but Straight is gone.
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no, Straight is not gone. Straight has morphed into the Drug Free America Foundation. Also, straight was such a pervasive part of the Tampa Bay area that people need to see the irony of Sembler et al being on the Holocaust Museum board. Ain't dead by no means.
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Straight is not gone, only abusers like you want to think once you do your dirty deeds it is just over.
Why don't you leave it alone, if these things are so in the past.
It is obvious why the papers wouldn't cover it in Florida a Republican State....when Bush is asking Sembler for money. And Straight was a Republican enterprise....
What are you doing here on a survivor website? Shouldn't you be somewhere all happy about the good you have done people. Or are you such a sadist you even enjoy reading about how people have suffered in treatment.
Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown, _Peanuts_ [Charles Schulz]
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Who exactly is this ass?? exsafecounselor??
Does anyone know his real name and address?
Think it's time to pay him a visit! Anyone want to go with me?
VSP ::armed::
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This is the kind of person you are. You will find out who I am, where I live, and come kick my ass. When you ar in jail for battery, you will be blaming Straight, your parents, Mel Sembler, and anyone else you can dream up. It is not what happens to you in life that matters. It is how you react to it.
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No, I'm the type of person that will show up, protest your ass, give documentation to all your neighbours about the program you worked in, then show up at your work and do the same.
The truth is the truth.
I will never break the law for the likes of a abuser like you, nice try. We are not kids, and anyone that is proud to work for SAFE is in my opinion, needs to be exposed in public.
Sounds like fear in your voice, to bad you never listened to the fear in the children you abused.
Look forward to finding out who and where you live.
VSP
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On 2004-01-27 09:02:00, exsafecounselor wrote:
"This is the kind of person you are. You will find out who I am, where I live, and come kick my ass. When you ar in jail for battery, you will be blaming Straight, your parents, Mel Sembler, and anyone else you can dream up. It is not what happens to you in life that matters. It is how you react to it.
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Oh please... You're not even a survivor... I'll talk to you. Got IM? I'd like to hear what you have to say, and understand where you're coming from.Karate is a form of martial arts in which people who have had years and years of training can, using only their hands and feet, make some of the worst movies in the history of the world.
-- Dave Barry
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you are a wussy!!! Pathetic no wonder you had to be staff weakling!!! :skull:
Real criminals walk free every day to rape, rob, and murder again because the courts are so busy finding consensual criminals guilty of hurting no one but themselves.... To free cells for consensual criminals, real criminals are put on the street every day.
Peter McWilliams
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I am not a supporter of violence and do not believe that violence begets violence so I think that anonymous needs to pick his words a bit better, but give me a f*cking break...ex. Every person here, besides you, knows that is a way of expressing the pent up rage all survivors have, and highly unlikely it would be acted on even though 99% of us have certainly fantasized about it. As far as your post goes, please leave us alone. You and I have gone at it on the SAFE sight and I thought come to terms that we agreed to disagree about abuse in treatment in that I was in Straight and not SAFE so I could not be certain about what happened there and vice-versa.
Until you have sat in a blue chair for months and years on end, endured not only mental but physical and for some people, sexual, abuse don't pass judgment on those of us who did. How prolific of you to give us the reaction statement. We were teenagers, most of us barely teenagers and those who have not been blessed enough to have therapy to deal with Straight ARE reacting to what happened there, at about whatever mental age we were when we got out. As someone who is 'a counselor' you should certainly understand the idea behind mental process and how is is stunted and slowed dramatically when someone is abused. Most survivors have suffered for years thinking we were the only ones who felt crazy, disabled, delusional, suicidal and trying to figure out who we are as people and how to recapture the souls they ripped from us as teens. To find these boards is a gift that has and can begin the healing for many after years of torment. These boards are many times the very first exposure people have to understanding how many people feel just like they do, and can begin the reaching out to others who are further down the road and can aid them in the process of healing so they CAN get on with life and learn how to not react so strongly to the messages drilled into our heads from that place. The last thing any of them need, and I only speak for myself here, but would feel safe saying many others feel the same, is to read some post from someone who worked at a spin-off of our own personal hell pontificating on how we basically just need to get over it and stop reacting to the years or abuse and torment we endured. Not to mention that you insist that Straight is a dead issue when, not only is it carried on, just under different names BUT will never be dead to those who suffered at it's hand. Correct, there are no more buildings operating as Straight,Inc programs BUT if you looked into DFAF, you would find that it was Straight Foundation, until I believe 3 years ago when it simply changed its name. Straight Foundation funded Straight, Inc and many of its board members and staff were directly involved in Straight. I have no idea why you feel any need to be on a forum that has nothing to do with anything you were a part of. I understand this forum is open and you are free to be here and post whatever you want but please quit being surprised when people are offended and pissed off that you choose to post here. As you said, it is how you react, are you not as capable of reacting with an empathetic reply to someone who has been through absolute hell than some in your face, smart ass one? I know that would make it easier for me and probably others to think you might have our, as in all of us who survived Straight's evil, best interest in mind. Jennifer
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well exmotherfucker or your probly still fucking your mom I reckon
I am that kind of person who will show up in stealth and assault and fuck your ass up just for fun, just b/c I can do that and not get caught. Just like you had fun experimenting on kids, I would enjoy fucking around and spitting on you for a few hours, then taking opinions on other ways to fuck your ass up.
Whilst all the beautiful survivors are fucking up your social standing, helping you lose your job, telling your busted out mom about you and all your friends and neighbors; Im that bum that will deliver your secret desire to come and....fuck your ass up.
So when you finally do hobble to the hospital you won't want to be sedated cos those doctors who are gonna set your shattered mfing legs are gonna be looking at you funny cos they'll know what you did to get there.
Man,fuck you Im justkidding...shit, you are a waste of time. Hope you enjoyed fucking your parent exsafecounselor.
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I am sorry if my posting bothered you
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Why are you no longer a SAFE counselor? :question:
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good question Kathy
and your answer Weasel...... :grin: The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people equally in war and peace. And covers with the shield of it's protection all classes of men at all times and under all circumstances.
--US Supreme Court, Ex Parte Milligan
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is it just me or is Mel Sembler jewish? Doesn't he attend some synagogue Temple with Lowenberg? So they got their ideas from the nazis..straight sounds like some crap idea and Sembler and co. want to do the same thing to kids. what a bunch of weenies. so they think they are going to buy their way into heaven as christ looks them on as to say maybe the pile of shit over there will suit you better. meanwhile i'll be eating my fatty pork sandwich. praise the lord
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On 2004-01-27 10:37:00, jnloar wrote:
"I am not a supporter of violence and do not believe that violence begets violence so I think that anonymous needs to pick his words a bit better, but give me a f*cking break...ex.
I agree with you, perhaps I should pick my words better. I was not trying to imply violence as a solution. I will however legally defend our survivors against anyone, especially a staff member of a program that is linked to Straight. The truth is the truth and the public needs to understand about these types of programs and especially "the facilitators of abuse which were, STAFF MEMBERS"! If anyone comes on these boards and boast about helping kids when in realty they abused them then they need to be exposed for what they are, namely child abusers. Remember these types of programs are illegal in most countries. So "Exsafecounselor", you better get real and understand how you have effected kids negatively. I don't want to hear any justifications for abuse. I won't stand for it. BUT I WILL NEVER BREAK THE LAW TO MAKE A POINT. I DON'T HAVE TO RESORT TO VIOLENCE. The weird thing is that I feel we are justified in violence. If this was 100 years ago you would definitely have a problem to face.............vengeance. But it is 2004, times have changed and abusers have to be dealt with in accordance with the law. I have way to many positive things going on in my life. I won't jeopardize it for bad people that have hurt me or others in the past.
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Nicely put Jennifer.
CL
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yes.
I was trying to say that exact word back a coupla days ago when Jordan was posting that the Tampa protest was in bad taste for Jews.
What kind of idiot I wonder, comes on here and posts to rape victims, the abused, the survivors, the watchers, that they think what is happening is wrong.
Man. I am with you violence should be seen as good. But jokes like this cocksucker aren't even worth the anger. Too bad he didn't misbehave back when he had the chance.
To bad his mom isn't satisfied with his pleasure any more, at least that would have shut him up.
w/e.
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Wanted to make more money. Thats why I left
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Why are you here dude? I mean...just for the sake of arguing?
I dont argue...its just not worth my effort..I know what I know and feel no need to make you understand it..
Not going to threaten you either...dont start fights..again not worth my effort..not in high school anymore..
What do you want? You dont sympathize..hell you dont even argue your own points that well.
Mind control works best when the victim is all cranked up on aderoll? SAFE was fucked up man..
I mean theres no arguing that point..you arent a survivor...and dont they have a SAFE forum too?
Go fuck with them..I got too much going on in my life for your shit..
Some of these people are very close friends and they are good people...that come here to talk to other Straight folks...which you arent...
I wouldnt go to your EX CHILD ABUSER web site
or whatever and try to chill...
I dont hate ya man...I feel sorry for you..your belief system is based on lies, my brother, Im sorry they got so far in your head you cant think for yourself...or differentiate right and wrong...
I cant make you go away..but do me a favor and dont add anymore stress on these good people..OK?
read all ya want...post what ya want..but tread lighly out of respect for myself and my friends..
You will do this for me yes? Be cool? All I ask
Hope you find what you are looking for man..