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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 24, 2004, 11:33:00 PM
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http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ ... 2;t=000699 (http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=000699)
Since Mrs. D.Va is a PURE volunteer, and the tone of this thread, seems she's using strugging teens to market her program...and right under the nose of struggling teens! Why else would she want to exchange "private" e-mails with the poster?
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Isn't that something. Sue did not want to allow the pictures of abused kids to be posted on the struggling teens site but she will allow her supporters to post and privately recruit.
Maybe it is not about saving kids at all, maybe it is her underhanded way of doing business the only way she knows how.
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http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cg ... ?read=1475 (http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cgi-bin/discussforum.cgi?read=1475)
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http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cg ... i?read=459 (http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cgi-bin/infoforum.cgi?read=459)
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http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... /np03.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2000/2/np03.html)
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could you elaborate on why you posted the links. I have missed your point.
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I'm Mrs.D.VA
I am offended. I volunteer my time exclusively to pass along our experiences for the benefit of others. I receive nothing, ask for nothing and would not accept anything. It is unfortunate that some of you cannot see this.
I will not defend myself to anyone for the actions we took to save our son's life and provide him a future. Sending a child away to any residential school or program should be considered as a last resort and is what we did.
I do not recruit for anyone, any organization, program, school, company, etc. I listen and talk with other parents in very scary situations with their children. I don't advise or tell anyone what to do. I relate my experiences with my son and what we did to help him. Passing along information regarding hospitals, school districts and juvenile courts can help many other parents.
I read this board from time to time and I am amazed to read the cynicism in most posts. It is very sad that most of you don't spend more time trying to help the industry rather than hurt it. How about spending time and energy focused on fixing our public school districts, mental health departments, juvenile court services and our health insurance industry? All of which do little at best to help struggling teens, especially the school system.
There is a need for private residential treatment facilities, schools and programs for some children, not all, but for some. A safe environment with therapy for the kids to work on their behaviors, emotions and issues after all else has been tried and failed.
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Debbie - I agree with you on doing something about the lack of effective help.
What I see on the site link is that once the gentleman said he was speaking to an educational consultant, you asked him if it was okay to e-mail him privately (my interpretation.) Since you are a PURE parent volunteer, it looks to me (reading between the lines) that your intention was to direct them to PURE or, to share your experience with your child's RTC. A big no no on this board, I would imagine. There is no reason to e-mail this poster privately from a public forum.
You seem like an intelligent woman that has had many challenges with your family. I have read your posts on struggling teens and see that you are genuine in what you share. I personally found it sneaky that you chose to ask this man to e-mail him privately after he has already been in contact with an Ed Consultant.
It's none of anyone's business if you get compensated or not from PURE. Maybe it's the way in which you choose to "share" that has me wondering about your credibility.
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What schools or programs does Mrs. D.VA have personal experience with?
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My husband walked by as I was reading the posts this morning and said "It looks like people are more worried about following protocol than actually helping anyone".
Where was it ever said I was talking or pushing my son's TBS on anyone else? Since there was not the "private" email exchange icon open, I simply gave my email address out. Since the poster was talking of his teen's suicide attempts, I could relate.
I am not substituting myself as an educational consultant. My goals are only to offer experiences with our son. I feel I can offer support, a shoulder, an ear and explain our son's experience at his TBS without even mentioning the name of the facility. Talk about different forms of therapy from private therapy to group sessions.
I suggest that we all focus more on helping and less on personal attacks. My opinion.
Debbie
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I am not substituting myself as an educational consultant. My goals are only to offer experiences with our son. I feel I can offer support, a shoulder, an ear and explain our son's experience at his TBS without even mentioning the name of the facility. Talk about different forms of therapy from private therapy to group sessions.
Well Debbie if that is the case, why didn't you share that on Lon's site? Why did you feel the need to take your experience private?
I can understand your need in tryng to justify what you have done given the fact that you know what you could be up against legally.
Why are you posting as an ANON here?
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Like I said before, I've only read this forum from time to time and last night was the first post ever. Didn't really see a need to sign up, but finally did today. I'm not in hiding.
I talk and listen to parents and relate our son's trials and tribulations along with his progress and success. Our story has been posted several times for nearly two years on Lon's site.
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Debbie, how is it that you got involved with the PURE organization and is Mr. Woodbury and the other members of the parents online-support-group aware that you are a PURE parent volunteer?
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PURE parent volunteers are simply parents who have "been there done that" with struggling teens and just might be able to relate to another parent in a similar situation.
To me, being a parent of a struggling teen, with experience involved with psychiatric hospitals, IEP's and fighting for rights in school districts, having our son involved with juvenile court services and local mental health departments makes me somewhat knowledgeable in dealing with some of these issues with our kids.
Like I said, I listen and talk to other parents, nothing more, nothing less.
Yes, Lon knows that I know Sue.
No, Sue did not refer or send us to any particular program.
Yes, Sue knows of the schools we used for our son.
No, we found the schools on our own and didn't use an educational consultant.
Lighten Up,
Debbie
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Welcome to FORNITS Mrs. D.VA, where by the way, telling people to "lighten up" could be considered poor communication skills.
What's up with your post about a class-action lawsuit on the Struggling Teens forum? Kind of meager details there.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3887&forum=9 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3887&forum=9)
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Yes, Lon knows that I know Sue.
No, Sue did not refer or send us to any particular program.
Yes, Sue knows of the schools we used for our son.
No, we found the schools on our own and didn't use an educational consultant.
You don't just know Sue, you endorse Sue. There was and is no need for you to solicit for sharing privately your story, is there? The parents you are soliciting privately could have heard about your experience right there on Lon's forum. The only need you would have had to go private would have been to?
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Personally, I don't get why any parent would turn to a support group for ADVICE on what to do for a suicidal child. Children come in all different shapes, colors and sizes. One child's depression is not the same as another's. This parent should have consulted with a mental health professional and steered cleared of well-meaning parents who simply are NOT as qualified as they like to think they are.
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You people are so aggravating and so hung-up on your "professionalism" that you end up driving "non-professionals" from your web site. Anybody with an ounce of common sense realizes that you need to seek professional assistance for high-risk situations. No one is advocating that a "non-professional" should substitute for "professional" help.
However, human nature is such that people want to bond with others that have been through similar situations. "Professionals" are not the only source of compassion and empathy for people going through difficult times. So, one more time, lighten-up!
And again, what's wrong with communicating directly with a person? Life is not a forum.
By the way, where does it say I endorse Sue? Because I know her? Because she listened when I needed someone to talk to (called compassion, empathy, etc.)? Because I've let her place my name on her web site so other parents can talk of similar situations and issues, and bond?
Talking and communicating one-on-one are ways for information on personal experiences to be exchanged without hurting or jeopardizing the privacy of a child. Parents talking to parents.
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On 2004-01-26 13:04:00, Mrs.D.VA wrote:
"You people are so aggravating and so hung-up on your "professionalism" that you end up driving "non-professionals" from your web site. Anybody with an ounce of common sense realizes that you need to seek professional assistance for high-risk situations. No one is advocating that a "non-professional" should substitute for "professional" help.
However, human nature is such that people want to bond with others that have been through similar situations. "Professionals" are not the only source of compassion and empathy for people going through difficult times. So, one more time, lighten-up!
And again, what's wrong with communicating directly with a person? Life is not a forum.
By the way, where does it say I endorse Sue? Because I know her? Because she listened when I needed someone to talk to (called compassion, empathy, etc.)? Because I've let her place my name on her web site so other parents can talk of similar situations and issues, and bond?
Talking and communicating one-on-one are ways for information on personal experiences to be exchanged without hurting or jeopardizing the privacy of a child. Parents talking to parents."
And in too many cases--not necessarily yours (but who'd know?)--Parents getting kickbacks for sucking parents into a particular program.
Yeah, people want to talk to people who've been through similar stuff.
They *don't* want to be taken advantage of by people who have "been there"----but who don't disclose that they're getting kickbacks for recruiting into a particular program or programs.
And whether *you* are personally on the level or not, there has been an epidemic of these programs giving kickbacks to their program parents to get them to recruit for the program.
Nobody who meets you over the internet *should* trust you---you're just some random person on the internet. Nobody you know should trust you if you're recommending for a program your kid is in, or for a program your kid has been in in the past, without making darned sure you aren't being paid to shill for the program.
You, personally, may not be out shilling for a program and may be driven purely by the milk of human kindness.
But too many just like you are driven by ulterior motives.
Other parents have every reason to be extremely skeptical of you, or me, or *anybody* they meet on the internet.
Hell, who trusts a friend who sells Amway?
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By the way, where does it say I endorse Sue? Because I know her? Because she listened when I needed someone to talk to (called compassion, empathy, etc.)? Because I've let her place my name on her web site so other parents can talk of similar situations and issues, and bond?
It says on the PURE site you are a PURE volunteer. If that is not an endorsement, what is it? People don't usually go around putting their names and email addresses on sites that they don't endorse.
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That's twice Mrs. D.VA (pronounced Diva) has told people to "lighten up" so as to spare her any further aggravation. Pleeeeease, get over yourself, Mrs. Diva. Life may not be a forum (this coming from a lady with nearly 600 posts on the Struggling Teens Forum) but if it were, thank God for FORNITS!
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Caution, you are about to enter a no B.S. zone.
Some parents have a compulsive need to control the thoughts and actions of their children and because adolescence is by nature's law a "rite of passage" most teens NEED and WANT to navigate without Mom or Dad butting in 24/7, control-hungry parents get out the checkbook and write their program-of-choice a check to satisfy their need to control their kid's attitude and behavior.
The Programs know this, as does the child. The only ones who don't get it, are the parents.
So who is the stupid one?
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Debbie:
Someone made a valid point to question the purpose in posting the class action suit on Struggling Teens. What is your personal experience with WWASP? Seems you are a puppet for putting that out there.
For credibility sake, your sharing is awesome on struggling teens. To keep your credibility, be careful of who you choose to support and how.
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By the way, where does it say I endorse Sue? Because I know her? Because she listened when I needed someone to talk to (called compassion, empathy, etc.)? Because I've let her place my name on her web site so other parents can talk of similar situations and issues, and bond? (QUOTE)
Debbie, this statement sounds like the same ole' song and dance other so-called PURE volunteers have used. Personally, I object to program parents calling themselves "professionals" and dispensing advice on the Internet under the guise of sharing their experience. After all, we are not talking about toasters, here. We are talking about an industry largely driven by word-of-mouth referrals.
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On 2004-01-26 22:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
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By the way, where does it say I endorse Sue? Because I know her? Because she listened when I needed someone to talk to (called compassion, empathy, etc.)? Because I've let her place my name on her web site so other parents can talk of similar situations and issues, and bond? (QUOTE)
Debbie, this statement sounds like the same ole' song and dance other so-called PURE volunteers have used. Personally, I object to program parents calling themselves "professionals" and dispensing advice on the Internet under the guise of sharing their experience. After all, we are not talking about toasters, here. We are talking about an industry largely driven by word-of-mouth referrals.
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Hello? Anybody who would send their child off to a private prison on the advice of some stranger they met on the internet is either incredibly gullible, or incredibly evil, or is a complete and total nutcase who needs to up their dose.
You wouldn't, personally, date some random joe you'd just met over the internet---why in the bloody hell would you set your child up on a year (or more) long blind date based on the "advice" of some random joe you just met over the internet.
God, talk about stupid!
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http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ ... 4;t=000028 (http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=000028)
Sly! What OTHER specialty boarding schools are being threatened? They are ALL the same as far as allegations of abuse. You latched on to the PURE wagon on this one, for sure!
Rest easy tonight, dear D VA. May you never be attacked like you are attacking.
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Professional Parents are 100% self-regulated. What does that tell you about these for-profit schools and programs who pay PP's for referrals?
CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!!!!
(Buyer Beware)
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How can a parent verify if the program someone referred them to paid that person a referral fee?
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On 2004-01-28 17:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How can a parent verify if the program someone referred them to paid that person a referral fee?
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Precisely. Let the buyer beware, indeed.
Again, you're going to send your kid off on a year-long blind date based on the word of some random idiot with a keyboard you met on the internet?!
Not smart. Not smart at all.
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Anons, does a parent who believes they were misled about the features and benefits of a program referred to them by a 3rd party have any recourse? Seems to me they could really be up a creek without a program (oops, I meant paddle) because of the caveat emptor (aka "disclaimer").
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What about the parents that pay an education consultant who has never experienced what it's like to be on the "inside?" I'd take the word of a parent who's been involved over an ed con that is charging high fees for this. The schools also pay the ed con's so they do tend to refer to the ones that pay the higher commission. Yes, BUYER BEWARE.
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No, most programs DO NOT pay ed cons. As for your claim that parents are somehow better at this game because they have been "involved" with a program, that is pure poppycock. These parents are highly biased and more likely to refer to a program that pays a referral fee then one that does not. Either way (Ed Con or Professional Parent) there ought to be laws protecting consumers like they have for used cars.
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Has an ed con ever been sued by a parent/child? What about these freelancing program referral parents? Seems to me this self-regulated cottage industry is ripe for a precedent-setting wake-up call.
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BTW: It would help if someone posted a copy of one of the disclaimers or the contract these parents enter into with these outfits. Names can be xxxx'd out, just so we get a frame of reference about the terms and conditions of private placement referrals. Second, adolescent healthcare professionals don't get kickbacks for referrals, why should ed cons or parents?
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These programs who pay kickbacks for referrals should be ashamed of themselves and the people who are getting rich off the backs of these poor kids should be, too. DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ASSOCIATION OF VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE STAFF THAT MR. CRAIG ROGERS HIRED FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THE YOUNGSTERS, THEY WERE PEOPLE WITHOUT EXPERIENCE IN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, SPECIALLY MR. JOHN NIELSEN WHO HAS A BAD RECORD IN HIS PREVIOUS JOBS. THIS IS DOCUMENTED IN THE ARCHIVES OF A WORLD KNOW ASOCIATION CALLED ?YOUTH WITH A MISION? A.R. IN CHAPALA, JALISCO (YWAM, JALISCO) WITH A WEB SITE http://www.ywamguadalajara.com (http://www.ywamguadalajara.com).
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ADMINISTRATOR
ATTY. PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ
GENERAL MANAGER
CPA JOSUE R. APARICIO GOMEZ
AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE
IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT
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Karen, aka Nate's mom, is this about your wonderful Mr. Rogers? Oh what a web we weave! You sure do stand by some winners...but then I guess it goes with the territory.
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Mrs. D.VA. is no longer on the list of PURE parent volunteers. :???:
http://helpyourteens.com/about_us.html (http://helpyourteens.com/about_us.html)
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Who coined the term "professional" parents? Talk about M.O.R.O.N.I.C.
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On 2004-03-18 15:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who coined the term "professional" parents? Talk about M.O.R.O.N.I.C.
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On 2004-01-26 04:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What schools or programs does Mrs. D.VA have personal experience with?
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She's a regular poster on StrugglingTeens. You can read her B.S. over there.
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Can you imagine being the child of a parent who posts ad nauseum about their institutionalized kid's personal (and by the way, very private) life on a forum like ST?
These parents have WAAAAAY too much time on their hands if they can sit around posting on discussion forums all day long about the trials and tribulations of their "programized" kids.
Too bad the kids can't do the same ... but you know these kids are isolated from the real world. Not allowed internet access while in an emotional growth boarding school. What a crock!
I'm sorry, but these parents make me wanna P.U.K.E.
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Mrs. DVa's son has been out of program for a long time. Leave it to DJ to dig up a year and a half old post and respond just to stir things up.
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Don't read ST myself, but does this mother still post on there about her son who has been out of the program after all this time? Does she?
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On 2005-09-19 15:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mrs. DVa's son has been out of program for a long time. Leave it to DJ to dig up a year and a half old post and respond just to stir things up."
She's still posting, yes. Recently too - within a couple of weeks. She argues with Andrea from PFRR and Barbe from TAUSA.
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Sound like this DVa must have the Sue Scheff syndome...she must be on there recruiting kids for MONEY to get them into programs. What a sorry lot. Bad enough they did it to their own kids. What a terrible way to make some ole money.
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Mrs. D.VA formerly of VA now resides in Southeast Florida.
IIRC, PURE is located in Weston, Florida.
Maybe she should change her ST nic to Mrs. D.SEF?
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