Fornits
Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Deborah on January 11, 2004, 01:28:00 PM
-
Found this in a search. Great humor.
The Voice of the Teen Suppression Market Since 1979
http://www.simpleton.com/19980306.html (http://www.simpleton.com/19980306.html)
March 6, 1998
Escorts Cheer CA Decision
Promise more efficient transportings
Transport service spokespeople are celebrating this week's decision by an Oakland, California court upholding parental seizure orders - a decision which, they say, will encourage more parents to step forward and allow their children to be incarcerated.
"This is a definite plus for the entire industry," says Tony Ace, an official at HotLink Transport Services. "Up until now, there was a lot of concern that this might lead to a decline in interest in locking up independent-minded teens. This is the kind of decision that might have really cast a chill over the industry, so we're all lucky it turned out this way."
Escorts are hoping restrictions on use of force can be modified following the decision.
The next step, say industry representatives, is to lobby for less restrictive rules on use of force in subduing smart-alecky adolescents.
"People refuse to understand the need for excessive force," says one transport professional. "They think just because you're surprising the kid in his bed, or because the kid is a wiseass poetic type rather than your stereotypical troublemaker, that it's going to be easy cuffing him. They don't understand that you're sending a signal to the child. That first chokehold really establishes the relationship in terms of who's in charge."
"Many parents are concerned when we come to grab their kids out of their beds, because some of these kids are really rebellious," agrees another industry source. "But if we're allowed to use effective means of neutralizing their freedom-loving teens without fear of legal action, they feel much more comfortable."
"But there's no such thing as a bad kid," he adds.
Industry officials also applauded the decision's potential for allowing a broader definition of Attention Deficit Disorder.
"There was a feeling that because this kid [in the Oakland case] did not take drugs or drink alcohol, was nonviolent, and was never arrested, that he might be a poor candidate for incarceration," says Hotlinks' Ace. "But with the ADD diagnosis, the parents were able to demonstrate that he was a potential problem, and take preventive action, which is something the industry has been pushing hard for. If a kid is on the wrong track, if for example your teen shows signs of being homosexual or lesbian, the law has to allow you to take action before that becomes a problem. That's the real message of this decision."
**************
http://www.simpleton.com/19991110.html (http://www.simpleton.com/19991110.html)
While sources are quick to name pepper spray as the industry's suppression instrument of choice, many in the industry believe the long term trend is toward stun guns and electrified batons.
"With pepper, you really have to get the teen in the face, or it won't be very effective," says one transport professional. "Stun guns allow a variety of options, including the ability to hit the teen in the hands if he's taking a swing at you, or to go right for the genitals, which we've found is the fastest way to neutralize a problem."
Professionals at behavior modification camps, however, see the difference as one of price rather than effectiveness. "Once we have a teen cuffed, shackled and trussed, it's the same difference whether we use pepper or electricity. I'll choose whichever's more cost effective," a camp official said.
**************
Ladies Next: Rise in Girl Misbehavior Boon to Industry
"We've seen rapid growth in the incarceration of girls," says one industry official. "I'd be surprised if every one of the big players doesn't have a girls' camp somewhere outside the US within the next three years."
One camp that is making the most of this trend is Cross Creek Manor in LaVerkin, Utah.
This is a critical time for such treatments, says Burke Romano, a leading industry consultant.
"Studies have shown many of these girls are having sex before they're even out of high school," he notes. "So before they get too confused, we want to put them in an environment where the only males they'll see are strapping counsellors who can easily overpower them. It's important that they learn the physical distinctions - in terms of physical strength - between men and women. That's not always clear during adolescence."
************
Chokehold Bill Advances
WASHINGTON, DC: Legislation allowing unlimited use of the knockout chokehold took another step forward this week as an industry representative provided demonstrations to several enthralled House Members. "Some of these kids are really on the wrong track, and being put in a coma might be just what they need," said Buzz Brinkley, just before showing how the technique works on several subjects. The Peaceful Environment for Teens bill (H.R. 90210) is expected to receive fast-track treatment this session. A similar bill has been introduced in the Senate.
**********************
Afghanistan New Camp Hotspot?
KABUL: From Jamaica to Western Samoa, overseas locations have always attracted US behavior modification specialists with their progressive regulatory structures and openness to disciplinary measures. Now this Islamic republic hopes to join the club. Several US companies have expressed an interest in locating here, said a government spokesman, noting the country's acceptance of the need for advanced suppression techniques. "We don't support genital mutilation, for example," he said. "But we understand the need to use various tools in encouraging piety."
-
Let us remember; Many a Truth is spoken in Jest.
-
What a funny, sick, twisted sense of humor!
-
its funny cause its true
-
This will piss allot of you off, but I am a Teen Escort and before you say why am I on this board?
It is because i went to a boarding school at age 16 The Desisto School. Which is now closed.
My company are trained counslers, unlike many out there that are about just getting them there.
I try to get the child in the most positive state of mind possible by arrival to the school.
I do not use cuffs unless the child makes me and have never had any weapon on me in my hundreads of cases. 98 percent of the time the child comes wiillingly with me and my partner. Just some crying and screaming sometimes. I know it is strict and hard at these schools, but i have also transfered kids from one school to another and have asked about how it was and never have i heard about abuse, or a child getting restrained that did not need to be for the saftey of the kid or others. I'm sorry that there are some escorts that just care about escorting and a paycheck, but I and my company are not like that.
Sorry if I don't identify myself or our company, but i don't think that would be wise.
Peace and Love, The one that cares.
-
"It is because i went to a boarding school at age 16 The Desisto School. Which is now closed."
Gee, wonder why's that...
"I do not use cuffs unless the child makes me"
Notice the logic used here, folks-- it's all the child's fault. This man being cruel and harmful is not because he's a child kidnapper, it's because the child "makes him do it". Reminds me of all those domestic abuse reports where the men say they didn't *want* to hit their wife nearly to death, she "made" them do it. Now that's a sound line of logic, ain't it?
"The one that cares"
Now that's just plain sad.
-
On 2004-09-06 12:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
Sorry if I don't identify myself or our company, but i don't think that would be wise.
If what you say is true, then what's the problem w/ identifying yourself? How do you advertise your services w/o identifying yourself? How can you run a business anonymously? It doesn't make sense.
Know what I think? I think you're full of shit. That's not to say that you don't buy into your own bullshit, you probably do. But the fact remains that, if you think a kid (or anyone) has the power to make you put them in handcuffs, you're detached from reality. I'm 40 years old and have three kids and never, not even once in my whole life, has anyone made me put cuffs on them.
Instead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth.
--Will Rogers
-
Ok, when one of these parents are ready to send thier kid to a school, it will not matter if she hires my company or not, to get them to the school. And unfortunatly that is what most of the transport company's are about, just getting them to the school. As I said we try to counsel the kids to try to get them in the best state of mind possible so they can try to turn thier life around. I say i only use cuffs if they make me, well once we are there the parents have signed a very legal document that gives us custody of the child until we hand them over to the school, i explain to the child the situaition and give them the chice to come willingly without cuffs and 98% of the time it goes that way. I know for a fact that allot of companys cuff the kids as policy, which is ridiculous. It is already the kids worst day of thier life having 2 strangers come to thier room and tell them they are going to a boarding school. Sure some parents are stricter than others and sometimes i don't think the kids needs to go to a boarding school, but that is not for me to decide. The fact remains that most of these kids are hurting inside from some terrible event in thier lives, and don't know why they are acting out and stoped listening to thier parents. Bottom line these kids are going to these schools regardless of which company takes them and I would rather it be me, who can relate to what they are going through. What should a parent do? Have thier child die or end up in jail? Oh and of course we have a web site and get plenty of referals, but that does not mean i need to advertise here, where there is no one looking for our services.
Oh and by the way when my mom told me she was sending me to boarding school in june after 9th grade, I ran away and she had no idea where i was for a week and that is why companies like mine that care are important. No parent should have to go through what mine did. Peace and Love, The one that cares.
-
Why on earth WOULD you ever even CONSIDER that abuse happens there? You'd lose your job and feel soooo bad about yourself.
Heard of Cognitive dissonance? Go ask an athiest about god, or a religious person about there not being a god. Watch what happens. Or a more lighthearted example would be Ford vs Chevy.
The fact that there are soooo many people through the past 20 years, seperated by thousands of miles giving the same kind of accusations means something, now doesn't it? The fact that places... HAVE closed down, and that there have been legal victories for those accusing abuse, means SOMETHING, doesn't it?
Oh, and regarding inter-school transporting... HELLO? Ever consider whey they need some goons-for-hire (such as yourself) to take them there? Why would they EVER tell you about abuse? Have you totally forgotten what happens to people who try to talk about abuse in those programs? How dense do you think we are? Who ARE you fooling, sir?
No kid restrained that did not need to be... Um, why the hell would they admit it to you? Or even if they did, would you REALLY care? This is your damn business and its nothing more than profiting off of suffering and fraud. Just because you succumbed for the indoctrination does not excuse you from hurting others. You were abused hurt humiliated and indoctrinated into this and your mind is too weak to pull itself out. You are a pathetic human being not only because you're WEAK, not only because you now profit from it, but because you spread this plague upon others.
If you did care and not use words like care and love in such a way that they use meaning (oh, oops, I forgot, you're from a program!) then you'd be skeptical and put these places under a pretty fine magnifying glass. They are TOTALLY cut off from what goes on, nobody knows what happens except when a P.I. investigates or a victim speaks out, and that very setting is what we seek to change. Make it so they can get on a phone and complain to all of gods green earth about what goes on. Plenty of legitimate treatment centers allow them to talk to whoever the hell they want. They let people see what goes on and run it transparently, as opposed to a secret enclave.
In the bad places they can't tell anyone what happens, they control communication, they sue people who speak out against them as fraud, make millions of dollars, and give campaign contributions to politicians. Having totally given themselves their own sealed off world to do whatever they want to do to these kids tehy can proceed to use pain, fear, suffering, intimidation, and brainwashing to make them into however they want them to be, including that what they did to them was okay.
Someone here said sunshine is the best disenfectant. If the children inside saw the light of day and had full communication to their parents, the authorities, whoever they want, and legal representation (like... I dunno, PRISONERS GET?) Then people like me wouldn't be so passionate about this.
But you, sir, would not want that. You want your paycheck and probably enjoy the power rush. Maybe you want to be the ones in control instead of the one controlled? Who knows. I'm not Hannibal Lectre, but you're just as bad. You and everyone else who has a part in this will get what is coming to them, maybe soon, maybe in a long time, but when this story gets out you WILL be held accountable for what you do, just like those kids in the program are.
We all know every single person talking about this abuse can't be lying. No way in hell can thousands over decades from all over north america be saying the SAME lie. I doubt I could get you to read a testimony of a program victim, because its automatically untrue. Maybe you could read this, a 3rd party investigation into this.
http://www.askquestions.org/articles/teens/ (http://www.askquestions.org/articles/teens/)
I doubt you will but its worth a shot. Afterall, how could they or you do any wrong? You have ALL The answers and we're just recalcitrant children YOU have to beat to fix!
-
I have never beat a child or even hurt a child.
And just because there are some disgruntled kids and parents on this board. i want to know about the thousands of kids who are not complaining.
And even the ones i see on this board who say thier school sucked, but never saw abuse.
So all these kids should be allowed to run wild do what they want and possibly kill them selves or others or wnd up in jail. Is that what a parent of a troubled teen should do. I re-transported a kid who was taken out early by thier parent and was not ready to be home. The kid did not want to go at 1st, but as we pulled into the school 7 hours later the child started crying and i asked what was wrong, the child said they they were so happy to be back at the school. How is that possible if she was being abused???? Just an example. I have no power complex, just a caring one. Your personel insults were not needed. I have a clear concience about what I do and it is very rewarding fo me. Regardless of what you think.
And your opinion means nothing to me because of the way you went about it.
-
You want to enter the escort lawsuit lottery? After all you are a kidnapper!
It looks like we may already have out first winner of the escort lawsuit lottery. The first winner will get their prize soon! You may ask what they won? The lucky winner gets a big lawsuit for violating the kids civil rights in federal court worth many millions!
Keep on kidnapping and every kid you kidnap could be your lucky ticket in winning the Escort Lawsuit Lottery! You may ask how exactly you win the Escort Lawsuit Lottery? Well the kid you kidnapped turns 18 and decides to get justice and sue! You of course.... The Program... and anyone else connected to them going into the program.
You may say the parents wanted the kidnapping, of coarse you are right. But remember when the kid turns 18 they can sue you without their parents being a party to the case! Their parents can't stop them from suing you into bankruptcy. You still can say you have all the custody papers you want! That won't save you either, because the kid is suing you not the parents. The kid never wanted to be kidnapped and was not a party to the decision. In short nothing can save you from being sued.
I hope you win the escort lawsuit lottery so you can loose millions of dollars to the kid you kidnapped!
Oh by the way you think if won the escort lawsuit lottery you can just file bankruptcy to escape it? No such luck, because kidnapping a kid into a program is an intentional act. Bankruptcy does not protect you from intentional acts, as an intentional act cannot be discharged in bankrutcy cout. So if you don?t have millions of dollars you will be paying the rest of your life as the lucky winner of the escort lawsuit lottery.[ This Message was edited by: Devlin on 2004-09-08 21:28 ]
-
Wow, your reply seems to have been written with you having not read my post, or my link at all! Congratulations!
Am I saying a kid who is in need of help should not be helped? NO!
Let me reapeat that. NO. Thanks for listening.
Does a story of a kid from a type of place that is accused of indocrination and brainwashing being happy when she is brought back show she was not abused? No. Its actually pretty irrelevant, because while you might be correct, she could also just be succumbing to the brainwashing. But why would she need to be there to be happy? Its a treatment center. The point should be to get OUT, and be 'fixed' or 'healed' of whatever ailment she has as soon as possible and get on with her life, not stay there and join some kind of family. Making them NEED to be there smells like a cult.
Now, this right here.... "And just because there are some disgruntled kids and parents on this board. i want to know about the thousands of kids who are not complaining.
And even the ones i see on this board who say thier school sucked, but never saw abuse."
Most rapes go unreported. Does that mean you should not go after the ones that are? Or, there are LOTS of families out there, and most are good, we shouldn't go do anything against those accused of being bad, what about all the millions of kids who never complain? It doesn't make sense in that circumstance and it should not in a for-profit 'treatment' business, Either. They do not get special rules.
Abuse is abuse, ANYWHERE. You simply disregard the possibility of it existing. You just wave it away dismissively as them not liking a 'tough' or 'strict' program.
That, sir, is bullshit.
You saying you have no power complex or that you Do have a clear conscience and feel rewarded from doing it means nothing, no matter how you say it. And, I'm sure your reward is primarily financial. Whether you are simply blocking bad possibilites out or are somehow are omniscient and know the truth and we're all lied to, how you feel is the same. And it was never even about YOUR feelings anyway, its about serious problems with this INDUSTRY, this BUSINESS you make a buck off of that could very well be hurting CHILDREN. This is a serious thing and the LAST thing it needs is people like you slacking off or just being dismissive!
Anyway, you refuse to acknowledge the existance of abuse or the possiblity of it, and seem to IGNORE the whole point about making these businesses operate more transparently - so if abuse DOES happen they can communicate with the outside world, and prevent the businesses from cutting off child/parent TRUST and COMMUNICATION. These places ISOLATE the children from the LAW, REPRESENTATION, DOCTORS, their PARENTS, and from anything and anyone except the people operating the program. Their methods have been likened to brainwashing.
WHY do you IGNORE THAT? WHAT your answer? You ONLY have a clear conscience becuase you do not allow yourself to think that the bad stuff COULD happen, or DOES. Where is your skepticism? You totally ignore the possibility of anything happening except what they say and what you *WANT TO BELIEVE*.
Yeah, I was pretty bad about how I went about talking to you before, and I should not have done that. But surely you could understand how furious someone could be. Maybe you were simply indoctrinated into it and think emotional and psychological abuse, physical suffering, restraint, terror, and helplesness is 'good for them' and I am wasting my time. Or, maybe you can take a step back, think about what me, and THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE have to say, look at it critically and with skepticism, and wonder why people get so worked up at you!
You are in a position to do a lot of good. Not just make yourself feel good, pat yourself on the back, and get a payment for taking a kid to some place where few really know whats going on. If someone like you started getting skeptical it would be very good and do one of two things. 1. Exonerate those programs, and everyone who was abused IS a fluke or a lie, or 2. uncover what is going on and if it IS bad fix it.
Maybe you weren't abused, maybe you were and think its okay. But I have talked to *SO* many people who were, or whose kids were there, and they were not all lying to me, the tears in their eyes, and in my eyes for the past 6 months because of this issue are not just because I'm disgruntled, its becasue I know so many people are suffering beyond words and I can only do so much about it. Of COURSE I would be mad at YOU for taking them there and not giving it another thought, and then profitting from it. You're the last link in the chian before they're locked up, and put in a place where if they are abused they have NO WAY TO TELL ANYONE. If they get out and talk about it the parent will likely throw them back in the program. I do know a few who have convinced their parents, but part of it is PARENTAL indoctrination.
Here, I'll link to it. Promise me you will read ALL OF IT. Yeah its long, but its worth the read. http://www.intrepidnetreporters.com/Tee ... eaking.htm (http://www.intrepidnetreporters.com/TeenHelp/breaking.htm) That is something someone in your position HAS TO KNOW. If you just wave it off and disregard the possibility of it then you have no busines doing this. Find another way to make a buck if you don't care enough about them.
I'll also link to two news reports about it. If you just disregard the lot of it, and just believe what you want to, then I will not take back any insults. If you do then I will.
http://fornits.com/anonanon/video/wami.ram (http://fornits.com/anonanon/video/wami.ram) is one.
http://www.isaccorp.com/images/insideedition.mpg (http://www.isaccorp.com/images/insideedition.mpg) is the other. Yes they are video links but its worth looking at.
And no, do not even THINK about coming back with "ok so they are abused but if they were not in there they'd be dead or in jail". You can help people without abuse. You can teach without brainwashing. You can help someone improve themselves and their lives without breaking them down, locking them down, restraining them inflicting pain and angst until they submit to you.
If thats how you were 'turned around', torture and brainwashing, and thats why you now think its okay, then you ARE a horrible human being. Just remember, what goes around comes around. Everyone will get what they deserve in the end. And no, not just a payment for services rendered.
-
Sorry, forgot to log in. That was me.
-
I have read that link by that obviously unstable mother, who can't cope with the fact she was just as much as fault for her kids problems as her child was. And i believe that to be true in all cases. These kids are given to much freedom and are neglected in a way that the parents don't know they are doing it. As for Devlin, I've heard your rantings before and even if they could sue me, which they can't. I have maybe 2 thousand dollars to my name. I'm afraid most of us escorts are not making as much as u think, Sure the companies are, but the individual escorts maybe make after working 17-20 hours and in some cases driving 1000 miles in that time frame $10 an hour. Which is not making me rich i amd lucky if i work 2 times a week. So, so much for your jackpot. Can't take $$ that is not there.I don't do this for the money. I'm sorry i don'see any abuse happening at the schools i go to. The one that cares.
-
So what line of work will be next for you, if/when the industry goes d.o.w.n?
-
On 2004-09-09 06:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I have read that link by that obviously unstable mother, who can't cope with the fact she was just as much as fault for her kids problems as her child was."
Did I miss something? Who, on this thread, are you calling an unstable mother? Ginger? Deborah?
-
Hey smartass I'm not a parent nor was I ever put into such a place. OOPS!
I'm a 19 year old activist who caught wind of this and felt like doing something to help. Oh, and a male. Guess your arguement falls flat on its face, doesn't it? And its SUCH a shame I'm too old to be kidnapped by the likes of you, thrown into some behavior modification center and 'fixed' until I believe its okay ^_~
Oh, and you STILL won't answer my questions in the post. Stop avoiding it and answer it. Well...
You DID say this: "I'm sorry i don'see any abuse happening at the schools i go to."
Boo hoo? You either aren't looking, don't see it for what it is, or they're *ding* not letting you see it! You apparently just ignored all I had to say and didn't even look at the two videos I so conveniently linked for you. You block this shit out to make yourself feel better and just ignore even the very possibility of abuse. I feel like I'm talking to a rock. You think about as critically as one and are about as perceptive.
Just keep saying everything is okay and in your mind it will be! Just ignore all the abused kids that come here to post, we're ALL lying :grin: yup every single one of us. Isn't it amazing? 20+ years, thousands of voices crying out over a whole continent and we're *ALL* lying! Gee golly willickers!
-
On 2004-09-09 06:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As for Devlin, I've heard your rantings before and even if they could sue me, which they can't. I have maybe 2 thousand dollars to my name. I'm afraid most of us escorts are not making as much as u think, Sure the companies are, but the individual escorts maybe make after working 17-20 hours and in some cases driving 1000 miles in that time frame $10 an hour. Which is not making me rich i amd lucky if i work 2 times a week. So, so much for your jackpot. Can't take $$ that is not there.I don't do this for the money. I'm sorry i don'see any abuse happening at the schools i go to. The one that cares."
so what about money, its about justice!!! you only have a few thousand to your name. i quess you will be paying all your life!
As far as they cant sue you, where u get that idea? Rember this is america! Anyone can sue anybody over Anything! As long as they are old enought to sue (18). So keep on kidnapping for a living and keep on playing the escort lawsuit lottery. Just keep this in the back of your mind the next time you kidnapp someone... Maybee when they turn 18 they will sue me for me kidnapping them!
-
Okay, so you aren't making a lot of money. My mistake.
You still totally refuse to open your mind and THINK about anything. You just dismiss it away as if we're unstable or just mad at the program.
Open your eyes, PLEASE.
-
Actually, even if you have no money you can be sued and they can get a judgement against you and apply it as a lien against your future earnings. One way to collect a judgement is to garnish the wages of the person the judgement is against.
So even if you make very little money, you have something to lose, because they could garnish your wages for the rest of your life.
Your business is pretty high risk of getting sued someday and losing. And you don't make enough to carry liability insurance. The smart thing to do would be to find a different job and let the parents take a couple of days off work and take their own kid to school. They're going to lock the kid up for a year or more and they can't even take a couple of *days* to take him there themselves? Please.
I'm a parent. If *my* child needed to go in the hospital or other residential treatment, you can sure as hell bet that her daddy or I would take the time and effort to take her there ourselves. We would *make* time. That's what you do if you're a responsible parent. You make time for your kids, especially for big things like being in a hospital or RTC. Or dance recitals or ball games, for that matter.
If these parents won't make time to take their kid to the hospital or RTC themselves, they're some *cold* sumbitches, and that explains all by itself why their kids are having problems.
Timoclea
-
On 2004-09-09 20:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Actually, even if you have no money you can be sued and they can get a judgement against you and apply it as a lien against your future earnings. One way to collect a judgement is to garnish the wages of the person the judgement is against.
So even if you make very little money, you have something to lose, because they could garnish your wages for the rest of your life.
Your business is pretty high risk of getting sued someday and losing. And you don't make enough to carry liability insurance. The smart thing to do would be to find a different job!
I want to add to this also if you loose you can loose your house, car, life savings, anything eslse of value you have as well. All the lawyers have to do is tell your locasl sheffif to come take anything you have of value and then sell it it public aution and then that money goes to the person who sued you and won.
You are in a very high risk buiness of being sued!!! I know because the group i work with would love to make the escorts pay dearly... Also the lawyer just drules over the chance to sue escorts!!!
-
Therapists are now recomending RTF all of the time for teens. They also recomend transport services for parents. Many of the parents who choose RTF's for their children do so out of desparation and at the advise of a therapist or other professional. Most have no idea how brutal these programs are. Nor do they no how brutal the transport can be. Many just don't have the time and few do the necessary research prior to taking very desparate measures.
When we contemplate the whole globe as one great dewdrop, striped and dotted with continents and islands, flying through space with all other stars all singing and shining together as one, the whole universe appears as an infinite storm of beauty.
-- John Muir
-
Well gee, if they all BELIEVE its okay why would they tell the parent?
-
hi devlin, my company acually has in our contract with the parents a stipulation saying if for ANY REASON a suit or a judgement against the company or it's agents the parents who signed the contract will be finacially responsible for any judgements passed against us.We also have never been sued or even close.I would imagine that the other compaines have a similar clause. So if I do evr get sued, which I highly doubt because most of the kids actually like me by the time i get them to the school, and many times I have took tours and seen kids that i have transpoted and recieve smiles and hi's and hey remmeber me, you were my transpoter.
And don't tell me they are being made to say hi to me and smile, because they have no idea i am there till they see me. Again I care and always will. I think the kids see that. Of course i don't get to all the kids and some probbably do hate me, but if they want to sue and they somehow won, thier parents will pay, not me.
Also No house, no car, no property. Very little money. The One That Cares
-
i have read a contract like you are talking about, so has the lawyers. They tell me you will be held resonsable at first. The lawyers can collect from you! Then due to your contract it us up to you to go after the parents for reinubsment for what you paid out in the suit. So in short you will be gone after and you will be made to pay. It then is up to you and your lawyers to hold the parents to their contract and collect the money. If for some reason the parents are fighting paying you that is none of our concern. You will be held accountable and then it is up to you to collect on your contact.
One footnote the parents should be held accountable. As should you and the program. If you abused the kid durning transport or lied about the contact in any way it will be void in court and then you have no such contract to protect you.
Just face the facts you are in a bad buisness. You are in very much at risk for lawsuits, ya your contract helps protect you. But that wont stop the collecters from coming after you or your company.
-
No, it's probably not the money. Seems all cults are most adept at funneling all the money into the few hands that actually pull some strings.
Know what I think? It's that these people are so thoroughly washed that there is no place for them in the real world. For whatever reasons, they can't or don't want to be directly involved. But they can't make it on their own completely ousisde of the cult, either. It's a niche.
In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
--Martin Luther King
-
As i have said i have never abused a kid and 98% of the time don't use cuffs, And if i am not cuffing the kid and he or she comes willingly, then there is no chance of a case. Cuffing in some states is borderline on the law, but only soem states. Again I have never abused any kid.
The one that cares
-
You abuse these kids by kidnapping them and transporting them to the gulags.
-
I am doing a service for the parents who can not take thier own child to the school. I treat the kids with as much respect as they give me. If they do good in theses schools the only tough thing will be for the kid to follow a strict structure. No abuse that i have seen and have taken many tours of schools and always see a very stict enviorment and that's all. Sorry.
The one that cares and does not abuse
-
The question is: Why parents can pay $2000 to have their child delivered but can't take them? Might it have something to do with guilt?
They hire a total stranger to handle the transport and abdicate responsiblity to total strangers they know nothing about. I think it's safe to say that the majority don't even know what BM techniques will be used- didn't bother to ask. The policy of restricting contact with parents is considered unlawful, and to use this as punishment or 'motivation' is considered abuse and a violation of most state laws. Just so happens that the guilt ridden parents collude with it because they are too weak to listen to their child's complaints.
Abuse has many forms, and is not always visible.
-
You never noticed the abuse for two reasons. 1) it's covered up really good. 2) you're brainwashed. You've been through a BM program yourself, and you probably feel that you must find some justification to what you've been through. So, just like many other "graduates", you deny these things take place despite the evidence.
I pity you, and I hope that for the sake of the children you're abducting that you'll snap out of it soon.
-
I went to a theraputic barding school, not a behavioral mod school. I only went to that school for 8 months and did not graduate any program Went back to my public high for 11th and 12th where i graduated.I screwed up some more from 18-21 and then i got my act together and went and got a youth counseling degree. I have not been brainwashed by any school or program. As I said I and my company are allot different than any other transport companies.
I don't believe any abuse is going on, maybe some rough out of control kids have to be restrained and that sometimes gets pretty rough and a kid can get hurt, but not because anyone just decided to jump on some kid.We had times when we had to restrain kids at my boarding school also and everytime it was because the kid was out of control. By the way I was at my school in 1981-82 along time ago. The one that cares.
-
As far as I know transporters only escort about 50% of the kids. Allot of them lie to the kids about where they are going. The reason the other parents can;t do it is not because of guilt, but because it is either phsically or mentaly to rough on them to drive 6-8 hours with your kid screaming and crying and begging you that he or she will now listen and be good.These kids can't manipulate us. And I do agree that every parent should go visit and really investigate any school they want to send thier kid to.It is also a very difficult decision for these parent to give thier baby to 2 strangers to take them far away to a school where they understand that they will only be able to communicate by mail, until the child gets to a certain level. So the parents know about not speaking to thier kids for a few months. I know this explanation does not mean anything to you, but just thought i would share why we are needed for some parents.
Tha one that cares
-
"Out of control" = dared to defend themselves.
You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot
easier.
--GW Büsh, Governor of Texas. Governing Magazine, 7/98
-
correction from last. Allot of the parents lie to them about where they are going not the transporters, at least not ours.
-
so much for your "NO" abuse theory..."happy transporter". If you were any count...here's another 550 plus students to abuse...i mean transport this weekend!!! why aren't YOU there?
Baja raids shut boarding schools for U.S. teens
>
> By Sandra Dibble and Anna Cearley
> UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERS
> September 11, 2004
>
> ENSENADA - Hundreds of U.S. teens enrolled in private rehabilitation
centers were being sent home yesterday after Mexican health and immigration authorities shut down three Baja California facilities.
>
> The largest group of students, 536, had been enrolled in a boarding
program at Casa by the Sea outside Ensenada. A group of 20 had been living at Casa La Esperanza in Ensenada, and a third group of 26 students was enrolled at Genesis south of Rosarito Beach.
>
> Reports of foreigners and complaints that minors were being mistreated
> led
to the raids, according to a statement late yesterday by Mexico's National Migration Institute.
>
> The schools' behavior modification programs are aimed at youths with
> drug
dependency and behavior problems. Parents commonly use them as a last resort. The schools have been accused of moving abroad to avoid scrutiny of U.S. government authorities for their controversial methods.
>
> At Casa by the Sea, four residents showed signs of physical and
> emotional
mistreatment, including one from El Salvador, the Mexican immigration statement said.
>
> At Genesis, youths told immigration authorities that they were
> physically
and emotionally mistreated, the statement said, without offering details.
>
> The director of Casa La Esperanza was expelled for conducting
> activities
not authorized by his tourist visa. But the statement otherwise avoided legal terms such as "expulsion" or "deportation."
>
> The 20 minors at Casa La Esperanza had "irregular" migratory
documentation, and along with one adult were turned over to U.S. immigration officials at the San Ysidro crossing, the statement said.
>
> The minors from Genesis also were turned in at the border.
>
> Some residents of Casa by the Sea were allowed to leave with their
parents. But hundreds of others remained at the facility until family members could be contacted.
>
> The U.S. Consulate in Tijuana sent staff members to the three centers
"making sure everything is done in accordance with Mexican law," said spokeswoman Liza Davis. "If kids need to be repatriated to the U.S., we're getting in touch with their families and facilitating that process."
>
> Luz Ramos, the coordinator of medical services at Casa by the Sea,
> said
late yesterday that government officials had regularly inspected the center.
>
> "We are regulated, we have the best in services. . . . This is a total
surprise."
>
> Staff members at the other two centers could not be reached.
>
> At Casa by the Sea, confused and worried parents showed up throughout
> the
day at the unmarked and walled compound just north of Ensenada, asking state police to allow them inside.
>
> Several parents and a student interviewed outside the center said they
> had
no complaints.
>
> Carol Rivardi of Orange County had been waiting since the morning to
> see
her 16-year-old daughter. "The staff is absolutely phenomenal. My daughter's behavior has totally changed," she said.
>
> Larry Horn of Agoura Hills said his 15-year-old son had problems with
drugs, alcohol, bad grades and disrespect to his parents. "We tried rehab for six weeks, but these kids need a lot more than that," he said.
>
> Casa by the Sea bills itself as a "specialty program for teens . . .
> who
are struggling in their home, school or community."
>
> The cost is $70 per day, according to its Web site.
>
> Relatives unable to contact the centers for information about family
members should call the U.S. Consulate's San Diego number at (619) 692-2154.
-
I'm glad that article also stated the other side.
I will probbably be involved in some way with the transfer of students from there. there must be some explanation why only 4 showed signs of abuse out of 536. Maybe they were already screwed up pretty bad and they are in the wrong type of school thus making it worse. Again these schools are not good for everyone and parents should find out just how strict the program is before sending thier kid there. My job is not always a happy one and most of the time does not start out that way. But to see how I can turn kids attitudes around before we arrive at the school has been very rewarding and most of the kids i drop at these schools do well.
-
that's four more than should have been abused...then again it's 1%...we are not speaking of the mortality rate...we are speaking of abuse...one should be too many in anyone's book
one of those four could have been YOU a few years back? ever see it that way...then what would "YOUR" response be!!! oh calm one of the transport industry! :nworthy:
-
TBS, RTC, BMS, Wilderness, Boot Camp.... They all have the same MO- more alike than different. They employ behavior modification techniques that are highly controversial and experimental. And restrict contact with parents, illegal. A child has the right to speak to their parents even if the parents can't handle it. Every other form of institution in society provides access to a public phone. Parents can't deal, they can always hang up, instead of being recued from their 'lying, manipulating, defiant kid' by program staff. How weak.
The overwhelming majority of teens, as yourself, 'get their act together', without being incarcerated and abused. You're a testiment to that.
Abuse is ocurring. Close your eyes to it if you must, but you can not make that blanket statement. There are too many people here sharing the specific ways they were abused. There is obviously a difference of opinion on what constitutes abuse. I would not send you to a program to investigate for abuse. You are wearing blinders and are not objective or impartial. You have a vested/conflicted interest.
-
On 2004-09-11 10:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My job is not always a happy one and most of the time does not start out that way. But to see how I can turn kids attitudes around before we arrive at the school has been very rewarding and most of the kids i drop at these schools do well."
now YOU are playing the "shrink"...then the "most" of the kids do well comment!!! how many don't? how many do YOU personally follow up on? if not then...who tells YOU these kids are doing "well"?
-
On 2004-09-11 11:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2004-09-11 10:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My job is not always a happy one and most of the time does not start out that way. But to see how I can turn kids attitudes around before we arrive at the school has been very rewarding and most of the kids i drop at these schools do well."
now YOU are playing the "shrink"...then the "most" of the kids do well comment!!! how many don't? how many do YOU personally follow up on? if not then...who tells YOU these kids are doing "well"?"
The program staff tells him that, of course. And, as we all know, everything they say is true and honest.
I stand by my opinion that you are not able to tell a treatment method is abusive, since you have been programmed (or you programmed yourself) to treat any abusive tactic as part of the 'treatment' the children "require".
-
for all WE (your self included) know the other 532 students had just arrived & not been issued their abuse packages yet!
-
As I said before, the signs of abuse are not always visable. I imagine that the initial investigation found only 4 with signs of 'physical' abuse.
Kids go to 'school' to learn, to be educated.
Kids go to programs to have their behavior modified, and might get educated in the process, if they are lucky.
Program does not = school. It's deceptive, in the least, to refer to them as such.
How do you turn their attitude around? I'm wondering if this has anything to do with convincing the kid that he can go peaceably or forcefully. Have you really turned their attitude around, or scared the shit out of them?
-
Ya the other 532 just showed up yesterday, and what about the kids and parents outside praising the staff. I turn the kids attitude from being really pissed off and upset to the best state of mind possible when we arrive. I did not say it had anything to do with how I take the kids from thier house. I have even had some kids give me hugs goodbye, all but a few have shaken my hand goodbye. I know how most of them do becasue i do ask and also see allot of them when i drop off another kid and as i've said they are usually happy to see me and say hi. They do not have to do that and are not being told to because most of the staff don't remember who brought that particular kid there. The one that cares
-
Great technique- Good Guy/ Bad Guy. You're soft on them while transporting them to abusers. Perhaps in contrast to the abuse they are enduring at the program, the face of the escort who cares is more welcomed - the lessor of two evils. When one is deprived of all social/ cultural contact, I can see where the smallest contact or attention with someone from the outside might be momentarily uplifting.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=9&5 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5052&forum=9&5)
-
But if they hated me they would not care to say hi. Which i'm sure some do.But very few. These programs are not even that bad when u get to the upper levels. But of couse it must suck going from doing what ever you wanted whenever you wanted and now you are being told when to eat,sleep, go to school, work out ect..It's not easy, but it does get allot better and i've seen some great stories. The one that cares
-
to an earlier post about how kids that don't get sent to these programs get thier at together. I could have died or ended up in jail between 18-21 i was an adult when i got my act together not a child. So i don't think i'm a testemnet to a kid getting his act together. I was a very lucky person to have come out of my darkness. The one that Cares
-
Excuse me?
"These programs are not even that bad when u get to the upper levels. But of couse it must suck going from doing what ever you wanted whenever you wanted and now you are being told when to eat,sleep, go to school, work out ect..It's not easy, but it does get allot better and i've seen some great stories. The one that cares"
Is your head screwed on your neck the right way? Not letting them eat, sleep, or relieve themselves is abuse and a brainwashing method. We don't mean 'strict' (a VERY loaded and vague word that could mean anything anyway) or 'structured' (more of the same), we mean not letting them go to the bathroom, not leting them eat, giving them a inadequate diet or nothing at all to break their will to brainwash them. This is not treatment or help at all.
If you think BRAINWASHING and Behavior mod is 'treatment' you relaly need to pull you head out of their ass and open your eyes. Its abuse, its brainwashing, and if you just can't make your brain change and accept the reality of it then you need some help of your own.
Actual help, not humiliating, torturing, restraining, confining alone, denying the 'priviladge' ot use a toilet, have a decent diet or sleep until your will is broken and you give in to what they say.
You can repeat your same tired tune that you don't see abuse but its 'strict' and they just dont like it or you 'care' but the facts are the facts. You need to free YOUR mind and open your eyes.The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali
-
Hi, I am a teen
and I enjoy my time spent in detention
-
(http://http://www.cheesyurls.com/cheesy/images/chocolate_factory.jpg)
-
hay guyz im a teen and i hate tha man
(http://http://www.cheesyurls.com/cheesy/images/Ricky_maxed_PW2_sm.jpg)
-
that's pretty hot buddy
-
(http://http://www.cheesyurls.com/cheesy/images/mulherpt.jpg) u make me sad :sad:
-
someone delete this shit...
you guys aren't helping.It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion.
--Joseph Goebbels
-
you need serious help kid.that is just disgusting. I fell sorry for you.
-
i guess "someone who cares" cant win because the know they are wrong and are posting porn. Or some messed up WWASPie who knows we are right and are getting even the only way they can do. This only means we are on the right track they will be made to pay...
-
Ugh, no I did not post that shit. Antigen can trace the IPs.
Thats just not helping either side, bleh.
ANYWAY, our point still stands. There is secrecy and accusations of abuse, and people who just ignore them help nobody except those with something to hide.Any Irishman who doubts the reality of selective enforcement ought to take just a moment to comtemplate the etymology of the term "paddy waggon".
--Antigen
-
The one who cares did not post this disgusting stuff. I do believe it is a screwed up kid.
Maybe it was you Devlin? It was not me, I have never done anything but carry out a mature debate with you people, and that's all.
-
I told a online forum about this and I attracted some trolls.
Sorry, I have to take responsibility for this, I have been more wary of where I post any interesting links.
Unfortunately, the admin isn't here to delete the pics yet.
-
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... t=30&Sort= (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=6546&forum=9&start=30&Sort=)
How about DeSisto ran out of MA now full time in Mexico, no oversight, we worry about those kids anyone know anyone there?
??????
Response:
When i went to the desisto school in 81-82 in fla. I saw no abuse, just caring. Although there were rumors about Michael Deisto Being a pedoflie, which i'm not sure about, but he was very weird and died last year and mass. school now closed also.Fla. closed years ago. Don't know about mexican school or any abuse, but things can change in 20 something years.
The one who cares.