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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Carey on December 29, 2003, 11:29:00 PM
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Oh my God. Jeff, read your depostion. Its not to late to admit that Sue is a con.
Anyone who has not read on PURE's website "A Mothers True Story" do so. It will help you to understand the significance of this testimony.
From your depo...
Q. Why do you think Sue Scheff had a bad experience with WWASP?
A. WEll, her story is on her website. I haven't read it in a while. I don't recall the particulars.
Q. Have you read her depostion?
A. No.
Q. Have you been informed that she wrote that story sometime in approximately the spring of 2001?
A. I don't think so.
Q. Did you ever ask her about that?
A. No.
Q. Now, you Trekkers had a pre-conference meeting in Saint Petersburg, Florida the Friday before the conference, right?
A. I think so.
Q. Did you ask her whether or not the information contained in her mother's true story is in fact, true?
A. No.
Q. Did you ask Sue Scheff anything about her experience with Carolina Springs at that time?
A. No.
Q. Did you ever come to the understanding that Sue Scheff referred students to World Wide programs in the summer of 2001 after she'd written that story?
A. I was not aware of that.
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Come on Jeff, you have hooked you raft to a sinking ship. She is taking you down with her. Can't you see that.
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Q. I think you mentioned that you believed the children had the right or should have the opportunity to challenge their loss of liberty when they go into the program.
A. Yes they should.
Q. And where do you believe they should have the right to do that challenge?
A. I deally they should have due process before they go there, but failing that, they should at least be able to contact, say legal aid associates from inside the program.
Q. Why do you believe that to be the case?
A. Because thats a right everyone else has.
Q. Do you believe that the students entering PURE-recommended programs have the opportunity to challenge their loss of liberty going into those programs?
A. I don't know.
Q. Well, you recommend those programs, don't you?
A. No. I recommend a web-site where parents can find more information.
Q. You have in fact, told parents that if they want adequate, non-abusive programs to go to Sue, haven't you?
A. Yes, I have.
Futher along...
Q. Tell me what investigation you've done of the programs that Sue Scheff uses between you first association with her on the Internet in 2001 and your conference in the summer of this year.
A. I have not investigated them.
Q. Then how can you make the statement that she steers parents to reputable programs?
A. On reasonable beleif. That's what she told me.
Q. You simply believed what she said?
A. Yes.
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The depo goes on to talk about PURE programs, Red Rock and the two deaths that occured, Sorensen and the alleged rape by a staff member.
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Jeff, if you have a case to make against WWASP then make it independent of Sue. She is a con.
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http://behavenet.com/capsules/disorders ... sticpd.htm (http://behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/narcissisticpd.htm)
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Thats right...if you can't argue the case, then just revert to your old behavor of name calling. Maybe it will divert attention from the real argument, that for some reason, you just can't make a case against.
:lol:
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Q. Did you ever come to the understanding that Sue Scheff referred students to World Wide programs in the summer of 2001 after she'd written that story?
A. I was not aware of that.
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How many kids did Scheff ultimately refer into the WWASPS programs before starting PURE? Does Jeff Berryman or any of the other PURE parent volunteers know or even care to find out?
::argue::
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I don't think they care about children and abuse. I think they care about saving their own asses (Sue and Jeff that is) and I think those other parents who support them are looking for compensation (revenge) for money they spent on a program that they are and were unsatisfied with. I don't think any of them care about kids, because if they did they would not side up with someone who is guilty of their very own accusations. PURE has referred children to programs accused of the very same accusations. Why are her abusive programs, okay?
I suspect Sue is doing everything she can to keep her followers from knowing that. How else can she keep them loyal, other than by keeping them in the dark. Based on Jeff's testimony, looks like he has been in the dark. Seems he did not ask many question...but I guess if he had he might have been "kicked" out of the group. I say that based on personal experience.
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Carey
Shed light on your own accusations. You say that the other programs Sue reers to are abusive,yet when under OATH you were unable to substantiate that claim.
You run on and on with out facts.
The other parents who claim wwasp harmed them have FACTS!! Lots and lots of FACTS.
IT will be called evidence for the jury.
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On 2003-12-29 22:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/narcissisticpd.htm"
No, it's NOT Carey...any other guesses?
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Are you talking about Scheff and/or Berryman fitting the description of a narcissist? Could be though I doubt either of them would agree.
:rofl:
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Shed light on your own accusations. You say that the other programs Sue reers to are abusive,yet when under OATH you were unable to substantiate that claim.
Really, under OATH, I said that the programs Sue refers to are abusive? Could you cut and paste that "under OATH" testimony for us. After all, I don't know much about any programs, Sue's included, other than the one I had experience with...that being Dundee. I don't recall being asked to give testimony on Sue's programs. And as far as what I have posted here on this site it has been based on Jeff's and Sue's depositions.
NICE TRY!
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-30 09:26 ]
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If you dont know any thing about the schools Pure refers to then what is this slander all about?
A personal vendetta?
Yes please ask WWASP attorneys to give you a copy of your depo and post it. Come on little lady
What is good for one should be good for you too.
You have posted Jeff's depo , Sue's depo, where is yours?
Ask WWASP attorney for a copy of Bobbi's L..
WE would love to read your depo.
Share with us please.
The lack of balance here is disgusting.
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Okay Anon, why don't you put Litchfield's depo up on the boards if you think it's so important? Surely someone in the PURE camp would be glad to help ya out if it means "balancing" the truth. Come on now, put your money where your mouth is.
:rofl:
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anon you pull it up. I know what he stated.
It makes me sick. He makes me sick.They all do. Literally sick to my stomache. Sick in my heart.
Anon what is your story? What experinece have you had that makes you so angry at Pure?
I dont understand the vengence when the information is so obviously limited.
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On 2003-12-30 10:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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anon you pull it up. I know what he stated.
It makes me sick. He makes me sick.They all do. Literally sick to my stomache. Sick in my heart.
Anon what is your story? What experinece have you had that makes you so angry at Pure?
I dont understand the vengence when the information is so obviously limited."
Once again, smoke and mirrors. Put up the depo, Anon. No vengence here, just people who are sick and tired of getting the run-around from a group that has yet to stand up and be counted. Who the hell are you to ask anybody what their story is? Put up or shut up, Anon.
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Yes please ask WWASP attorneys to give you a copy of your depo and post it. Come on little lady
I have an idea, how about the Anon who seems to know what I said under OATH enlighten us. Afterall, this ANON is claiming to have it. This ANON has the ability to post it verbatim. Why else whould he/she make that accusation if he/she had not seen it with his/her own eyes. It might make them less than creditable if they were basing what they were saying off of what someone else, PURE, was telling them.
I don't have a copy of it yet. When I get a copy, I will share it with everyone!
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I don't have a copy of it yet. When I get a copy, I will share it with everyone!
When can we expect this?
As for myself, I want to see the vedio tape.
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On 2003-12-30 10:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
WE would love to read your depo.
Share with us please.
The lack of balance here is disgusting.
Yes, yes! Is there any reason why Carey's the only one backing up her arguments w/ documentation? One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation.
--Thomas Brackett Reed
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Is their a purest on this board? ::puke::
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Anything new here? When's the next hearing?
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for those who want the truth