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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Carey on December 27, 2003, 10:44:00 PM
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This is an "ed con" not an educational consultant.
This is an excerpt from Sue's deposition. What preceeded this was a lot of questioning on her education and work experience. She does not hold a degree and it was discovered that she worked in her mothers wholesale food business, the aviation industry and then in a hospital, Humana (the name of the hospital changed a couple of times due to a change in ownership). While in the hospital she worked in accounting, purchasing and special services. She defined special services as telecommunications, cafeteria/kitchen. She was asked:
Q. So the special services area of this hosptial really had no role in delivering medical care?
A. No, no.
So she admits early on that she has had no medical training.
How much of this information do you loyal followers of hers have?
(To help you understand the dialog, Q. is Mr. Silvester and A. is Sue.
BY MR. SILVESTER:
Q. Ms. Scheff, you have now been handed exhibit 13 to your deposition?
A. Uh-huh (affirmative)
Q. Do you recognize the document?
A. Yes, I do.
Q. It comes off your website, correct?
A. Right.
Q. Did you prepare the section on the president, Sue Scheff?
A. Some of it, yes.
Q. This indicates that you were the founder of PURE?
A. Right.
Q. And in the second paragraph it says for the past several years you devoted time, energy, and support to helping parents find healthy and safe environments for children?
A. Right.
Q. Then it goes on to say with a degree in business and finance, combined with years of experience in the medical field....
A. Right. And that was changed.
Q. ...she created PURE with the desire to help families. NOw, I must have misunderstood earlier. You don't have a degree, do you?
A. No. I don't and that's what I said. That was, I know Eugene (could that be BK) had taken that out.
Q. And you don't have experience in the medical field do you?
A. Well I worked in the hospital.
Q. You think accounting in a hospital is experience in the the medical field?
A. I think special services with the referrals that I did, yes. I did a lot of referrals about what type of doctors that people had needed when I worked for Humana. Yes, I do.
Q. I thought you said earlier they were special services that had to do with...
A. I did but...
Q. ...a kitchen and purchasing...
A. I did.
Q. ...had nothing to do with the medical staff?
A. Telecommunications was part of a referral-based system that was in the hospital.
Q. So you...
A. I did say telecommunications.
Q. So you beleive you have years of experience in the medical field?
A. In the referral system of the medical field. When I worked at the hospital.
Q. You don't think this is misleading information to put out in from of consumers?
A. No, I don't. I think the degree is misleading, yes. And that's, and I know that was removed.
Q. That isn't misleading, that's a lie, isn't it?
A. It's incorrect.
Q. But years of experience in the medical field, you don't think that would mislead people into thinking you had...
A. NO.
Q. ...medical training?
A. Because I worked at...
Q. You don't beleive that would lead people into beleiving you might have medical training?
A. No.
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[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-27 19:59 ]
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Oh my! And what kind of qualifications do most WWASP recruiters have, aside from "Parent group graduate"? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
Of course, it'll probably fly because the people who bring us WWASP have decades of experience at making it all look good on paper.
Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its
best state is but a necessary evil ---in its worst state an
intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same
miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without
government, our calamities is heightened by reflecting that we
furnish the means by which we suffer!
Thomas Paine, Common Sense
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some know who i am i am not a WWASPIE or PURE. I hate both. I have a few questions:
1. Where do you stand on this case? You for WWASP or PURE?
2. How did you get a copie of Sue's deposition?Those are usally not made public record. You get them from the lawyers in the case? Which side?Thats about the only way you can get a copy of depositions is from the lawyers in the case.
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Devlin,
PURE, Inc., Sue Scheff, Steve Bozak, Amberly Kinght and Dundee are the ones who have exploited and taken advantage of my family. These are the people who I want held accountable for their actions. So you ask, who am I against or who am I for...I am against what is false and I am after the truth.
Devlin, I do not beleive in incarcerating teens anymore than I like the idea of incarcerating adults who have not had a right to a fair trial. It does not matter to me if it is WWASP, Moutain Park or one of PURE's programs. However, that is aside from my issues with PURE and the others mentioned above. Those mentioned above are the ones with whom I have personal experience. Those are the ones who I want held responsible for the actions of which by my family has suffered.
Where did I get the deposition...well lets just say not everyone associated with Sue agrees with what she has and is doing.
Ginger, "the pot calling the kettle black" that is exactly what PURE is all about.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-28 06:34 ]
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what set of lawyers you get the deposition from? No dodging the issue, with cryptic answers!
You get it from WWASP's lawyers?
You get it from PURE's Lawyers?
if not either of them who?
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Jheez, Devlin. What difference does it make? Depositions ARE part of the public record. If you have a PACER account, you can log on and read the entire court record for yourself.
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Devlin, did you see the most recent Austin Powers movie....moly, moly, moly...:smile:
By the way, why are you so concerned about it?
Oh Devlin, could you have been instant messaging me because you too are a moly, moly, moly, moly....
There are more moles out there than ya think...don't ya think? Hmm...Sue does not really work with or deal with the most creditable of individuals, could there be a mole in her camp too?
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Why would you think that, Carey? What'd I miss?
To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them...
-- Richard Henry Lee, 1787
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Didn't Jeff Berryman and Devlin have some kind of "unfriendly" exchange on this forum awhile ago?
Don't remember what it was about, but do recall getting the feeling these 2 don't like each other much.
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I want WWASPS to lose because they operate programs. PURE just refers and makes money off the programs. WWASPS actually does the torturing. They are far worse. I really want both of them to spend every dollar they have fighting each other until they are utterly annihilated but I will settle for PURE wiping the floor with WWASP and exposing every dirty secret in open court where it can be used against them again and again by the real victims who deserve compensation for their suffering.
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On 2003-12-28 23:58:00, FaceKhan wrote:
"I want WWASPS to lose because they operate programs. PURE just refers and makes money off the programs. WWASPS actually does the torturing. They are far worse. I really want both of them to spend every dollar they have fighting each other until they are utterly annihilated but I will settle for PURE wiping the floor with WWASP and exposing every dirty secret in open court where it can be used against them again and again by the real victims who deserve compensation for their suffering.
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FaceKhan, what makes you think (or even believe) the outcome of this case will impact the teen-help-industry in such a way as to bring an end to the exploitation of children in the name of "treatment"? At best, the lawsuit will severally damage the confidence of parents (the consumer) and prompt them to look elsewhere for teen help resources. The much hyped direct-action lawsuit you and others may have hoped would save the day, is nowhere to be found. What is HURON waiting for? What is any lawfirm or government official waiting for? After nearly 3 decades, one would think somebody would do something on a grand scale to stop the abuse but even the multi-million dollar settlement won by Lulu which made recent headlines has not prompted the kind of public interest (read outrage) to bring this issue to the forefront. Exposure of the truth is NOT what will end the suffering. This is a social problem that will not soon be fixed without changing the way society views young people and learning the lessons of the past (THE SEED, STRAIGHT, KIDS, etc.) That's where the anti-youth movement began and all these other programs are simply clones. Nevertheless, there is hope. That the voice of a thousand people telling a single story will be heard by those in a position to do something about it. The social policy makers, juvenile justice reformers and good ole' Mom and Dad just saying NO to institutionalizing their children as the answer to unwanted behavior in the home, school and community.
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Ginger, I was answering Devlin. He wanted to know how I got a copy of the depo. My reponce was moly, moly, moly.
By the way he and I spent some time instant messaging each other about this industry.
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On 2003-12-29 00:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Exposure of the truth is NOT what will end the suffering. This is a social problem that will not soon be fixed without changing the way society views young people and learning the lessons of the past (THE SEED, STRAIGHT, KIDS, etc.) That's where the anti-youth movement began and all these other programs are simply clones. Nevertheless, there is hope. That the voice of a thousand people telling a single story will be heard by those in a position to do something about it. The social policy makers, juvenile justice reformers and good ole' Mom and Dad just saying NO to institutionalizing their children as the answer to unwanted behavior in the home, school and community.
:nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
He getsez it, Precious! He getsez it! Maybe we shall soon be freeeeeee!!!!
I'm only half kidding when I refer to the TOUGHLOVE parent movement as a hate group. I don't know if the powers that be are really ready to consider the rhetoric and activities of this insidious mob of sadistic altruists in a sober and objective way. But they should.
In war, the stronger overcomes the weaker. In business, the stronger imparts strength to the weaker.
--Frederic Bastiat
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On 2003-12-29 04:58:00, Carey wrote:
"Ginger, I was answering Devlin. He wanted to know how I got a copy of the depo. My reponce was moly, moly, moly.
By the way he and I spent some time instant messaging each other about this industry."
Ok, I thought you were accusing Devlin. The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.
--Thomas Sowell
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I have a pacer account. But depositions are not on the public record (so you cant access them by PACER) belive me i know. The only way you can access any depositions on PACER is if a lawyer on either side admitts them into evidence as a exhibit in the case. Then and only then a deposition can be accessed by PACER. I just am curiouse where the depositions trascripts came from. If they came from WWASP lawyers, i could mean you could be working with WWASP. If they came from PURE then you could be working with PURE. It could be a leak and you got ahold of the file. Or it could have been a posted as a exhibit and pulled off PACER. How was it was obtained can show where a person stands in this case.
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Devlin,
I told you, moly, moly, moly.
If you are questioning where I stand, I have already stated that.
Information is information and as long as it is accurate and has not been doctored (added to or taken away from, sworn to in court) then what does it matter where it came from? If PURE gave it to me, if its accuarte...then it is good information. If WWASP gave it to me and it is accurate...then it is good information. If a mole gave it to me and it is accurate...then it is good information. If the information came from my Pacer account...all of the information,depo's included...and it is accurate then it is good information. If someone happen to screw up and release information that was not suppose to have been released, oh well. Where it came from is not important, the accuracy of it is.
If these documents I have are exact copies of what has been filed in Court records, then why does it matter where they come from.
I am not on anybodies side in this case. I have already told you that.
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Holy moly - what a crock.
Devlen, she got the whole shabang from WWASP's attornies.
Spence takes good care of her. Takes her to dinner; makes sure she has a full glass of water while she sputters out her twisted view of people and events.
Spence and Carey are good pals now, aren't ya Carey O? He's a great guy, she'll tell ya all about it.
When are you going to post your deposition, Carey O?
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I don't have it yet, do you?
Hey I know, fax it to one of your, uneducated on the topic, followers and see if you can get one them to post it for you. Or, perhaps there is a mole amongst you who could help you get the info out. Oh wait, better yet, ask Maria Peart to do it for you, she's a crook, she does not care about the legalities. :lol:
If we could all just aspire to be so PURE...NOT!!
Anyway Devlin, before we were so rudely interrupted, why does it matter where the information came from as long as it is accurate, authentic, and a true and exact copy of the origingals?
I don't want people to make decisions based on limited information. I want people to make decisions based on all of the information. Ex: If Amberly has made numerous sworn statements and they are different every time, then parents have a right to know that. People have a right to know what kind of person they are dealing with. I do not need Sue or Paula withholding information because they think that the general population is not as intellegent as they are and therefore they can not be trusted with it to make good decisions.
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Who is Paula?
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no WWASPIES or PURE SOB's butting in here. You are both no good in my book. I hope you sue each other into bankrutcy. If by some chance when the suits settle and if one is left standing, A few of us will be there to finish you off. I just am concerend where the info came from on the depos as it could be vital into showing where a person get the depostions and where their allegences lies? If i had to pick a person to win the PURE Vs. WWASP i would pick PURE. After they finish WWASP we can move in and kill off PURE. Lets let PURE do the dirty work for us then we will thank them by closing them.
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Devlin, no allegence here...just getting the info out. I don't have a preference as to who provides it or how it comes to me. All I care about is sharing it with others. Just a little note...PURE will never be able to take anyone down, they are too down and dirty.
To the Anon, Paula is the attorney who's son was at Tranquility Bay. She pulled her son and PURE referred him to XXXXXXX Ranch.
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Is Sorenson's one of the programs that was named in the lawsuit against PURE?
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I am not sure if they are named in a law suit, as in a defendant or plaintiff, however their name comes up in the depositons (as a school PURE referred to) that were taken.
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There is something I dont fully understand.With all of this hate that comes forth about Pure,Sue Scheff, programs and more.
Carey how did YOU ever get involved with Pure ,Sue, Bozak? You claim they connned you.You say they hurt your family. I havent heard you explain how you got involved and why?
Did Pure contact you from the BBS? They asked you to remove your son from Dundee?
They came to you and wanted to take advantage of you is that it?
Did Pure offer to put your son in a new school?
Fill in the pieces please. They came to you?
I find this story missing many facts. It is very one sided.
Carey are you employed by WWASP? Teen Help marketing?
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Carey received this deposition from WWASP.
They are having fun using her to distract from them.
They know a sucker when they see one.
The sucker list continues to grow.
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If you truely don't know the story, then do some research on this site. I have already explained what happened.
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Funny...you see depositions as distractions? I don't. Why do you think the are a distraction from?
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This is Devlin Graves i did not make that post. Dont identify yourself as me. I dont know where Carey's aggengences are, thats why i am asking tought questions and not getting any answers. The person who impersonated me is a PURE supporter, I will be coming forPURE soon, that is if WWASP dont get you for me. Then we can just go after WWASP or whats left of them.
On 2003-12-30 05:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Carey received this deposition from WWASP.
They are having fun using her to distract from them.
They know a sucker when they see one.
The sucker list continues to grow."
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I gotta say these posts that are coming from the PURE camp are just downright slimy. As for the depositions, they are a virtual goldmine just waiting for some hotshot investigative journalist to disect.
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Devlin G. dont flatter yourself.
I did not identify myself as you .I stated a FACT: Carey recievd her copy of the deposition from WWASP attorney.
She has not shared that tid bit of information.
What you are mistaken about,not all Pure supporters support programs. WE support the truth being shared as we experienced it. Our experience with Teen Help /WWASP.
Get your facts straight .
This is getting repetitive.
Extremely narrow.
Get over yourself and your goofy misguided ideas.
carey please share your deposition. It would be enlightening.
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The only thing slimy around here Anon is your on going mistruths,on going slander about the "Pure camp."
It appears you dont have any idea what your are talking about.
If your information is coming from the wwasp rebuttal.... what a joke. Have you read Bobbi Lichfield's depo? Or King Kay's?
Get all of your facts lined up then you will be better informed.
Pleeeeease you are so boring.Ignorant too.
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Why is it that everytime the FACTS are revealed about PURE, some anon comes slithering out of their snakepit full of piss and vinegar. Jheeez, don't you people have children to look after? Or are they in some program fending for themselves?
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Vicious vicious vicious. That pretty well sums up that comment.
My goodness.
The differece between this forum and Pure's group.Never vicious. Supportive. It was Carey who was vicious and then asked to leave.
My goodness. You are one sick individual.
Where in the world does such ugliness come from?
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On 2003-12-30 09:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Vicious vicious vicious. That pretty well sums up that comment.
My goodness.
The differece between this forum and Pure's group.Never vicious. Supportive. It was Carey who was vicious and then asked to leave.
My goodness. You are one sick individual.
Where in the world does such ugliness come from?"
Yeah, keep telling yourself how kind, loving and supportive you Purists are. God knows nobody else believes you people are anything but seriously delusional.
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My experience is NOT delusional.
I have experience both.
The viciousness is apparent on this forum.
I've never met you and you insult me.How rude.
That is you perogative.
Until it becomes malicious slander.
Then it crosses the line.
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What you are mistaken about,not all Pure supporters support programs. WE support the truth being shared as we experienced it.
How can you say you support Pure and support truth at the same time? That is one GREAT BIG contradiction.
Oh yeah, show me where and when I have ever been vicious. You won't because you can't. You can't because it is not true.
Now on the other hand, you PURE supporters have been very, very vicious. But not to worry, I have big shoulders, and I do understand, not condone, but understand, why.
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Anon, you seem to think your affectation for some organization called PURE makes you a saint. Well, that is delusional, and calling a spade a spade is not malicious slander. Second, it appears the facts are beginning to speak for themselves. Let both sides make their case in the court of public opinion. Full-Disclosure, not half-truths or so much smoke and mirrors it is impossible to know what is real and what is imaginary.
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i was looking at the site logs for my website i saw where a referal come in from a serch engin, i looked at what the results was listed. PURE's website cam up on a search term for Mountain Park Academy and Palm Lane Academy as a alternitive for them. Below is a copy of the Meta Tags used on PURE's site. Using tatics like this is wrong and deceptive. Sue if you are reading this pay close attention. When you told me to back off i agreed, i now am going to start going after PURE. They need exposed for what they are. I will not make un-holy alliances in doing this either. So that meas WWASP can go to hell. I will call you office and talk to you about this in person SUE. If things dont change fast your next. You profiting off of the bad deeds of Mountain Park is wrong and bad. Selling a alternitve program to Mountain Park and shipping kids off to your referals is evil. You will be next to fall after MOuntain Park if you keep these kind of ethics up.
meta name="description" content="WWASP WWASPS world wide association of schools , teen help treatment facilities teen treatment Mountain Park Academy Palm Lane Academy Tranquility Bay Academy at Ivy Ridge Majestic Ranch Academy Cross Creek Manor Cross Creek Academy Casa by the Sea Academy at Dundee Ranch Bell Academy Midwest Academy Teen Help specialty schools , boarding schools emotional growth schools tough love schools Spring Creek Lodge Carolina Springs Academy treatment facilities drug abuse treatment behavior treatment teen help behavior modification "
meta name="keywords" content="WWASP , WWASPS , world wide association of schools , teen help , treatment facilities , teen treatment , Mountain Park Academy , Palm Lane Academy , Tranquility Bay , Academy at Ivy Ridge , Majestic Ranch Academy , Cross Creek Manor , Cross Creek Academy , Casa by the Sea , Academy at Dundee Ranch , Bell Academy , Midwest Academy ,Teen Help , specialty schools , boarding schools , emotional growth schools , tough love schools , Spring Creek Lodge , Carolina Springs Academy , treatment facilities , drug abuse treatment , behavior treatment , teen help , behavior modification"
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meta name="description" content="WWASP WWASPS world wide association of schools , teen help treatment facilities teen treatment Mountain Park Academy Palm Lane Academy Tranquility Bay Academy at Ivy Ridge Majestic Ranch Academy Cross Creek Manor Cross Creek Academy Casa by the Sea Academy at Dundee Ranch Bell Academy Midwest Academy Teen Help specialty schools , boarding schools emotional growth schools tough love schools Spring Creek Lodge Carolina Springs Academy treatment facilities drug abuse treatment behavior treatment teen help behavior modification ">
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On 2003-12-30 09:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Vicious vicious vicious. That pretty well sums up that comment.
My goodness.
The differece between this forum and Pure's group.Never vicious. Supportive. It was Carey who was vicious and then asked to leave.
My goodness. You are one sick individual.
Where in the world does such ugliness come from?"
OMFinG!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Just take a quick look at the reams and volumes of venomous attacks on Carey for a suitable definition of the term "vicious".
Look at some of the statements of "fact" embeded in these same attacks and trolls, presumably not posted by Carey. That's the main reason why I don't believe a word out of any of these idiots. Sorry, but idiot is the proper term for people who fight other people's battles based on rediculously thin evidence of common cause.
When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence.
-- Gary Lloyd
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Devlin, please register a name. Pretty please? W/ a cherry on top? You don't even have to use a real email address if you don't want to. A fake one would only mean that you wouldn't get watched thread and private message notifications and you'd have to ask me to change your password if you ever forgot it.
But it would certainly make it harder for the trolls to impersonate you. If you want (only if you want) I could then assign your username to all of your old anon posts that come from the same IP. Moralizing, with the force of law or coercion, is a
far greater crime against the constitutional principles of our nation than unauthorized euphoria, regardless of the substance involved, be it chocolate or heroin.
--James
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this is may name any post should i made ann shold show up as a charter.stl. the IP number will begin with a 24.....if that much shows up i am behind my routers firewall. Please assinghn my old annon post using my ip i am registered with to this ID. I used my real e-mail adress:
drgraves2@charter.net. I have a static IP it should not change as i have not reboted my cable moden in a month.
[ This Message was edited by: Devlin Graves on 2003-12-30 14:13 ]
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Done
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
H.L. Mencken, 1923
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On 2003-12-30 10:44:00, Devlin Graves wrote:
"i was looking at the site logs for my website i saw where a referal come in from a serch engin, i looked at what the results was listed. PURE's website cam up on a search term for Mountain Park Academy and Palm Lane Academy as a alternitive for them. Below is a copy of the Meta Tags used on PURE's site. Using tatics like this is wrong and deceptive. Sue if you are reading this pay close attention. When you told me to back off i agreed, i now am going to start going after PURE. They need exposed for what they are. I will not make un-holy alliances in doing this either. So that meas WWASP can go to hell. I will call you office and talk to you about this in person SUE. If things dont change fast your next. You profiting off of the bad deeds of Mountain Park is wrong and bad. Selling a alternitve program to Mountain Park and shipping kids off to your referals is evil. You will be next to fall after MOuntain Park if you keep these kind of ethics up.
meta name="keywords" content="WWASP , WWASPS , world wide association of schools , teen help , treatment facilities , teen treatment , Mountain Park Academy , Palm Lane Academy , Tranquility Bay , Academy at Ivy Ridge , Majestic Ranch Academy , Cross Creek Manor , Cross Creek Academy , Casa by the Sea , Academy at Dundee Ranch , Bell Academy , Midwest Academy ,Teen Help , specialty schools , boarding schools , emotional growth schools , tough love schools , Spring Creek Lodge , Carolina Springs Academy , treatment facilities , drug abuse treatment , behavior treatment , teen help , behavior modification"
Who the hell is Scheff to tell anybody to "back off"? I mean, doesn't this lady have a clue that not everybody rolls over on command?
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http://www.wwasprebuttal.com/index.html (http://www.wwasprebuttal.com/index.html)
Is this part of what you say Carey is posting? See Court document 1 for Sue S and Court document 2 for Jeff B? Interesting reading.
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Any new info on the upcoming lawsuit? Supposed to happen back in June, then August...and now a request on strugglingteens?
::puke:: PURE
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Discussion regarding educational consulting.
http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cg ... ?read=1306 (http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cgi-bin/discussforum.cgi?read=1306)
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Nothing has changed. Even though those posts were written a while ago, she continues to operate the same way. When someone says something negative or challenging, she seems to have a list of people that will post on her behalf. From her history, she could be posting incognito as well. My observations have been that it's not about helping parents, it's all about her and the "praise" and the delusion that she can take down anyone that crosses her. Whatever fills her heart with joy!
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That deposition excerpt proves what, exaclty?
Nothing! WWASP is STILL a nightmare and PURE is helping to rip the covers off that nightmare.
Forcing a person into any institution against their will should not be tolerated(unless they've proven a danger to themselves or someone else - a 'real' danger, and NO... dropping out of school or having sex or trying pot do NOT qualify)Get real! How many of you parents did a little experimenting? You won't admit it, but I grew up in your era, too. It was much more common then than it is now. Now you feel out of control so you commit your kids to institutions you know so little about. And you give up raising your kids! You let them go and They have to Live with that Abandonment Forever. May they forgive you!
How many adults would stand for being commited for testing the limits. What if every mistake making, adultering, rude-in-your-face, low-wage earning, poor parenting adult were forced into Behaviour Modification. I bet we'd see a new Civil Rights group.
But kids can't really revolt, can they? They need adults, they have no voice, they have no rights.
It's disgusting what adults do to children.
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On 2004-03-20 22:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
PURE is helping to rip the covers off that nightmare...
...and wrap themselves in them.
PURE promotes two escort services
http://helpyourteens.com/safe_transport_services.html (http://helpyourteens.com/safe_transport_services.html)
These are not usually required for voluntary students.
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If I read this right, it makes sense. PIRE will not only take the covers off, but unleash their own demons. Is that a company you want to be associated with?
WWASP is a target, though "they" are only the vessel for helping families. If your kid, or those of you that are kids that have been in ANY program would just acknowledge it didn't work for you and get over it, you could put your energies in something more productive.
This thread is mainly targeted WWASP, but if you read the other forums, you will see the same ol' same ol. Different program, same crap. Maybe blaming someone else for what you didn't buy into is some sort of therapy, so have at it.
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The controversy surrounding WWASPS dates back to at least 1998 when TIME magazine did a story on David Van Blarigan exposing the "secret" world of behavior modification camps. Do the math folks, PURE/Scheff didn't arrive on the scene until several years later, well after CBS and NBC aired their stories and the Rocky Mountain News published an investigative series of reports on WWASPS called Desperate Measures.
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OH compassionate one-
Thanks for telling me to 'just get over it.'.
Exactly how long SHOULD it take to get over being in hell for 16 months?
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Oh &
Since you're 'shoulding' all over us here...we know YOU've got it all figured out.
So tell us pleze
What ACTIONs are YOU taking to HELP, annonymous mouse?
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More from around that time.
http://www.nospank.net/n-c78.htm (http://www.nospank.net/n-c78.htm)
This was before Sue was even a WWASP parent recruiter. This story goes WAY back and is much broader than WWASP. I think WWASP just shot themselves, and to some degree, the industry in the foot by McDonaldsizing. Straight made the same damned mistake.
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
Douglas Adams, _Last Chance to See_
Not always a bad thing, eh?Laws are like spider webs. If some poor weak creature comes up against them - it is caught. But the bigger one can break through and get away.
-- Solon; Greek philosopher - c.630-c.555 BC
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J J Buckley was his name, I personaly knew him
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Is this case WWASPS v. PURE still going on? If so, where does it stand?
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YES it is! Sometime in August before a jury.
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wwasp dropped the p. reeves suit
the judge threw out the berryman suit
wwasp lost the jurisdiction in the houlahan suit
what's next?
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c. bock is one of wwasp's key witnesses for this trial, imagine that?
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Is the court corrupt enough to allow her to spew her opinions and lies without restraint? Wonder how much she is being paid for her performance? Do you suppose she is being called as an expert witness? Maybe we'll get to see her ego explode.
Maybe we'll get to see that flaming red face get soaked.
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And Sue Scheff doesn't always tell the real truth now does she??? Still referring kids to abusive programs....just not the WWASPie ones. Big difference!
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If parents are aware that Ms. Scheff would lie on a deposition about something that can be verified like a DEGREE---then they probably would not entrust their child's welfare to her. But most parents have no way of knowing this information. What a shame.
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How does one explain all this, lying on a deposition I mean?
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You read this and wonder, how DID she win this ONE? You really do have to wonder.
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On 2005-03-20 09:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If parents are aware that Ms. Scheff would lie on a deposition about something that can be verified like a DEGREE---then they probably would not entrust their child's welfare to her. But most parents have no way of knowing this information. What a shame."
What's scarier to me is not that she lied (although that does speak volumes) but that she actually believes[/b] her bullshit explanation.
Q. And you don't have experience in the medical field do you?
A. Well I worked in the hospital.
Q. You think accounting in a hospital is experience in the the medical field?
A. I think special services with the referrals that I did, yes. I did a lot of referrals about what type of doctors that people had needed when I worked for Humana. Yes, I do.
Q. I thought you said earlier they were special services that had to do with...
A. I did but...
Q. ...a kitchen and purchasing...
A. I did.
Q. ...had nothing to do with the medical staff?
A. Telecommunications was part of a referral-based system that was in the hospital.
Q. So you...
A. I did say telecommunications.
Q. So you beleive you have years of experience in the medical field?
A. In the referral system of the medical field. When I worked at the hospital.
Q. You don't think this is misleading information to put out in from of consumers?
A. No, I don't. I think the degree is misleading, yes. And that's, and I know that was removed.
Q. That isn't misleading, that's a lie, isn't it?
A. It's incorrect.
Q. But years of experience in the medical field, you don't think that would mislead people into thinking you had...
A. NO.
Q. ...medical training?
A. Because I worked at...
Q. You don't beleive that would lead people into beleiving you might have medical training?
A. No.
THAT is how these people reconcile their consciences.
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On 2005-03-21 13:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
THAT is how these people reconcile their consciences."
Then I'm not the only one who sees it? Does this mean we're both crazy? :eek: Immortality: A toy which people cry for, And on their knees apply for, Dispute, contend and lie for, And if allowed Would be right proud Eternally to die for.
--Ambrose Bierce
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I think it means, in program terms, that you're 'advarsarial'. Anyone who questions the control freaks authority.
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Et tu, Deborah? Maybe it's the aversary working through us all...
:rofl: Fear believes--courage doubts. Fear falls up the earth and prays--- courage stands erect and thinks. Fear is barbarism---courage is civilization. Fear believes in witchcraft, devils and ghosts. Fear is religion, courage is science.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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Deborah, how does a group of people allow themselves to be controlled by someone who will obviousbly lie in something as important as a deposition? Makes no sense.
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In the federal court in August 2004 what the jury saw and heard more than the testimony of this individual was the video of the children having been mistreated at High Impact.The video the Mexican Government took.They belived the allegations of abuse because they had been proven.
The other nonsense was secondary.It was an effort from the plaintiff to distract from the more important issues. Which were the original allegations of abuse toward children.
Why one would think it is ok for Whitmore to do it and not wwasp is beyond my ability to understand.
The light has been shown upon the darkness.
Its a Utah thing and all that it entails..
No one was controlled. We believed we were similar in thinking from our mutual experiences. Apparently that is no longer true.
No one was privy to the deposition.
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Now I understand. So no one actually read this deposition until long afterwards, then? I would think any person who was in this position--lying on a deposition---, would then be extremely cautious about making public remarks about others--especially if their remarks are based on "what someone else told her and can not be verified or proven."
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What do you mean "light has been shown upon the darkness?"
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Does anyone know what college Ms. Scheff says she has a degree from?
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On 2004-07-28 06:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"c. bock is one of wwasp's key witnesses for this trial, imagine that?"
Oh no, Lee never lies! Never tosses out disinfo. WTF are you anyway, CIA???When we contemplate the whole globe as one great dewdrop, striped and dotted with continents and islands, flying through space with all other stars all singing and shining together as one, the whole universe appears as an infinite storm of beauty.
-- John Muir
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On 2005-03-21 13:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You read this and wonder, how DID she win this ONE? You really do have to wonder."
Evidently, there exists an honest former jury in Utah. As regards that action, I was on Sue's side. I won't go so far as to say she isn't dumber than a bag of hammers for that bullshit posing as different people on Woodburry and Bridges or that I approve of a lot of things she says or does. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. As regards WWASP, she's largely right (wich is to say, right around the edges the huge blind spot in the middle)
If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.
--US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin
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Judge Warbis,
Just by viewing the date & statement, without the entire text, that comment didn't have anything to do with that individual calling in for their big rebate on her PC now would it?
CIA - Civil Idiots Association?
I do work for the government...
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On 2005-03-23 17:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Judge Warbis,
Just by viewing the date & statement, without the entire text, that comment didn't have anything to do with that individual calling in for their big rebate on her PC now would it?
I don't know, I'm only quoting and wondering...
CIA - Civil Idiots Association?
I do work for the government..."
I tend to believe that. Competent people generally do better in the private sector.
When I started as a federal narcotics agent, the budget that we were working with, it was less than $5 million a year, and there was only 125 agents for the entire world to work the narcotic trade that we were fighting in those days. Times have changed. The gluttony has grown.
--Nick Navarro, former Broward, FL Sherrif
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Reading the transcript--did have a LAUGH OUT LOUD MOMENT:
Who could actually stretch it so far as to advertise that their little business included psychologists and attorneys JUST BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY SHARED A BUILDING that had offices with attorneys and psychologists in it????? Now that's funny!
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When Lee says he works for the government, he is referring to his job that is related to the space administration.
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Interesting.
Time out from the mortal combat for a question. Seriously, time out.
Lee, you ever run into Ed Hilliard w/ Ratheon? I've known him all my life but haven't spoken in years. It just strikes me that you may run in the same circles (not around in circles, really!) and how similar you are to him. That is in no way a slight or a cut down. Just a thought. And if it happens that you're buds or even occasionally run into each other on the green or some damned thing, say hi to him for me.
I think the human race encountered Peak Intelligence decades or centuries ago. The human race has been degrading into imbeciles ever since.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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Judge Warbis,
Adept troll here...All "bs"ing aside, I "do" work for the guberment...really means I work for them from time to time / consult. Make sense? I have done my own thing for the past six years & enjoyed it.
As far as your friend, nah, never met him nor do I get to the goof course. I works like a dawg, then when I'm off I ride the "hawg". "the '03 screaming eagle road ding" Traveling & riding the motorcycle are my favorite past times these days?
At least I thought it was a serious question?
Outta hear...
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Yup, was a serious question. And nothing at all to do w/ the topic at hand. Thanks for being decent. Have lots of good fun on that scooter. At the very least you can't hassle me while you're doing that, so I'm all for it. :wink:
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
-- Albert Einstein
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Lee who? :???:
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Lee Colburn. He and Nancy his wife, both enjoy riding motorcycles.
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How on earth does Scheff and the Purist camp explain all THIS?
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In my experience, she just doesn't.
Life is like a bird, at any given moment it is droping a load. It is only a matter of time before one eventually find you.
SysAdmin
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Why don't you folks find some new topic and let this alone. I think everyone's had just about enough of the Sue Scheff stuff on Fornits. You're not making any points with people who visit here, that's for sure.
There are many more important things going on, don't you think? It's just annoying is all.
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Not near as annoying as her posting as ANON and slandering minor children, I don't think. Perhaps she needs a new hobby.
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Enjoy reading her lying about herself. It's entertaining, is all.
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Don't liars usually pay a penance of some kind? Perhaps a donation to ISAC would wash away some guilt, huh? maybe? think so?
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One thing about ISAC; Just b/c someone or other, made a donation of some kind or other; ISAC will not deny a voice, to complaints of ill-use made against the donator. ISAC isn't the Catholic church - you can't buy indulgences. The penitent best keep their money, or give it to the church for some prayers.
As far as I'm concerned,
This goes a long way to proving the integrity of the people at ISAC. If their ethics were less than robust, they would find it much easier to go with the flow - especially if it flowed money.
Instead, they have shown a willingness to endure snide and slanderous remarks; a loss of friends and support, to remain true to their goal of providing a completely unbiased source of information.
As far as I'm concerned, this goes a long way towards proving how extremely valuable ISAC is to everyone involved in stopping the abuse; and to every Mom or Dad looking for a reliable source of information.
I feel ISAC is deserving of support. Donate or not, as you please. But if you do, don't expect indulgences.
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Didn't expect SHELBY to do anything...just wanted MS. SCHEFF to maybe feel better about herself if maybe she did something nice for a change,,,,NOW wouldn't that be good for this world we live in? Having Sue do something nice for humanity and to help all those kids out there in the process... instead just messing with people, and talking trash about little minor children and all THAT? A little bit of NICENESS that everybody always wants to attach to her name would be nice, now wouldn't it?