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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Reddit TroubledTeens on February 07, 2012, 03:58:10 PM
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Anyone can edit this, add your cause today! After people have had time to update it, I will copy/paste the list here as well.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yTm ... 5Xst4/edit (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yTm-vCTFCys5VqHGa6g42xdcb-3ZXicCne88M45Xst4/edit)
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Can't access it, but we have the Wiki on Fornits capable of assembling this.
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Can't access it, but we have the Wiki on Fornits capable of assembling this.
Thanks! Who should I talk to about the wiki on fornits? I tried to join it & make updates awhile (8-9 months?) ago but was not able to save my changes.
Here's the list as it stands today:
Massive List of 'Troubled Teen' Activist Websites
This list is editable, add your cause!
This is a compilation of online efforts to end institutional child abuse. Inclusion on this list does not necessarily mean endorsement of other groups on this list; however, we stand united to protect children.
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Table of Contents:
Reddit
General
Facebook-only groups:
Targeting Specific Institutions
Journalists & Media
Supporters
Research & Reports
Additional Info
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Reddit
http://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens (http://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens)
http://www.reddit.com/r/TherapyProgramStories (http://www.reddit.com/r/TherapyProgramStories)
facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/185627381482928/ (http://www.facebook.com/groups/185627381482928/)
Pixie (pixel8) on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/RedditTroubledTeens (http://www.facebook.com/RedditTroubledTeens)
twitter: @r_troubledteens
email: http://www.troubledteenindustry.com (http://www.troubledteenindustry.com)
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TroubledTeenIndustry (http://www.facebook.com/TroubledTeenIndustry)
twitter: @TTeenIndustry
ASTART: http://astartforteens.org (http://astartforteens.org)
CAFETY: http://www.cafety.org (http://www.cafety.org)
facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/cafety (http://www.facebook.com/groups/cafety)
facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/CAFETY (http://www.facebook.com/CAFETY)
twitter: @CAFETY
CAFETY’s facility list: http://redd.it/p5smc (http://redd.it/p5smc)
FICA Network: http://institutional-child-abuse-news.w ... s.com/home (http://institutional-child-abuse-news.wikispaces.com/home)
Fornits: http://www.fornits.com/phpbb (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb)
Fornits Wiki: http://wiki.fornits.com (http://wiki.fornits.com)
HEAL http://www.heal-online.org/childtortureusa.htm (http://www.heal-online.org/childtortureusa.htm)
Help at Any Cost: http://www.helpatanycost.com (http://www.helpatanycost.com)
Medical Whistleblower: http://medicalwhistleblowernetwork.jigsy.com (http://medicalwhistleblowernetwork.jigsy.com)
OpLiberation: http://opliberation.tumblr.com (http://opliberation.tumblr.com)
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/192929510786529 (http://www.facebook.com/groups/192929510786529)
twitter: @opliberation1
internet radio: http://www.HumanBeingBroadcasting.net/OpLiberation (http://www.HumanBeingBroadcasting.net/OpLiberation) (listen on your smartphone with winamp: http://s5.voscast.com:7746 (http://s5.voscast.com:7746))
Secret Prisons for Teens: http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk (http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk)
Stand4Them http://stand4them.wordpress.com (http://stand4them.wordpress.com)
Survivors of Institutional Abuse: http://www.sia-now.org (http://www.sia-now.org)
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/SIA-Organization (http://www.facebook.com/pages/SIA-Organization)
twitter: @SIAorganization
Tales from the Black School: http://tales-from-the-black-school.blogspot.com (http://tales-from-the-black-school.blogspot.com)
Teen Advocates USA: http://teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com (http://teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com)
Teen Liberty: http://www.teenliberty.org (http://www.teenliberty.org)
The Troubling Troubled Teen Industry: http://thetroublingtroubledteenindustry.posterous.com (http://thetroublingtroubledteenindustry.posterous.com)
WWASP Diaries: http://wwaspdiaries.com (http://wwaspdiaries.com)
Facebook-only groups:
Troubled Teen Supergroup (facebook): http://www.facebook.com/groups/206263089458674 (http://www.facebook.com/groups/206263089458674)
The Group Home Network - helping survivors find each other! http://www.facebook.com/groups/grouphomenewtwork (http://www.facebook.com/groups/grouphomenewtwork)
Survivors of Abusive Treatment: http://www.facebook.com/groups/282809905063706 (http://www.facebook.com/groups/282809905063706)
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Targeting Specific Institutions
In alphabetical order:
AARC - http://www.facebook.com/groups/67367255929 (http://www.facebook.com/groups/67367255929)
Aspen Education Group - Owned by Bain Capital
(Has focus on Aspen Education Group) http://thetroublingtroubledteenindustry.posterous.com (http://thetroublingtroubledteenindustry.posterous.com)
Justice for Sergey "Serj" Blashchishen. (Who was murdered by Aspen Education Group, Bain Capital): http://www.facebook.com/groups/Justice4Serj (http://www.facebook.com/groups/Justice4Serj)
Carlbrook - http://www.facebook.com/groups/121154957908461 (http://www.facebook.com/groups/121154957908461)
Casa by the Sea - http://www.therealcasa.blogspot.com (http://www.therealcasa.blogspot.com)
Elan - http://www.elanschool.org (http://www.elanschool.org)
http://theelanschool.blogspot.com (http://theelanschool.blogspot.com)
http://www.elanalum.org (http://www.elanalum.org)
http://wayneingmoments.blogspot.com (http://wayneingmoments.blogspot.com)
Book, “A Life Gone Awry”: http://alifegoneawry.com (http://alifegoneawry.com)
I went to Elan School: http://www.facebook.com/groups/ElanSchool (http://www.facebook.com/groups/ElanSchool)
New Horizons Youth Ministries
Escuela Caribe: http://unreformed.blogspot.com (http://unreformed.blogspot.com)
Documentary: http://www.kidnappedforchrist.com (http://www.kidnappedforchrist.com)
Documentary facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/kidnappedforchrist (http://www.facebook.com/kidnappedforchrist)
The Family Foundation School - http://www.thefamilyschooltruth.com (http://www.thefamilyschooltruth.com)
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/FamilySchoolTRUTH (http://www.facebook.com/FamilySchoolTRUTH)
Green Chimneys -
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Green-Chimneys-Survivors (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Green-Chimneys-Survivors)
facebook cause: http://www.causes.com/profiles/182086138 (http://www.causes.com/profiles/182086138)
twitter: @GreenChimney
Hephzibah House - http://formerhephzibahgirls.webs.com (http://formerhephzibahgirls.webs.com)
Heritage - http://www.facebook.com/groups/159484225236 (http://www.facebook.com/groups/159484225236)
Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors and Their Supporters http://freedomfromabuse.net (http://freedomfromabuse.net)
Michelle Sutton Memorial Fund - http://www.michellesuttonmemorial.com (http://www.michellesuttonmemorial.com)
New Bethany Homes - http://newbethanysurvivors.multiply.com (http://newbethanysurvivors.multiply.com)
Book, “Inside New Bethany”: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/n ... y/18834810 (http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/new-bethany/18834810)
New Beginnings Girls Academy, New Beginnings Ministries - (note: these are the name changes of this program: Rebekah Home for Girls in Corpus Christi, TX: 1970s through 2001, through several closures and reopenings -> [nameless period: Aug 2001 to Nov 2001, after the closure of Rebekah in Texas, when they kept half the girls from their recently-closed Rebekah Home bunked in a trailer on the property of Thanks to Calvary in Devils Elbow, MO] -> New Beginnings Rebekah Academy in Pace, FL Nov 2001 to 2006 -> New Beginnings Girls Academy in Pace, FL and La Russell, MO -> New Beginnings Ministries in La Russell, MO 2006 to present day)
New Beginnings facebook survivor group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/NBGAsurvivors (http://www.facebook.com/groups/NBGAsurvivors)
New Beginnings survivor blog: http://www.stopNBGA.blogspot.com (http://www.stopNBGA.blogspot.com)
Pathway Family Center - http://www.pfctruth.com (http://www.pfctruth.com)
Pinehaven Christian Children’s Ranch - http://www.pinehavenabuse.blogspot.com (http://www.pinehavenabuse.blogspot.com)
http://pinehavenabusereport.intuitwebsi ... index.html (http://pinehavenabusereport.intuitwebsites.com/index.html)
The Seed - http://theseedindeed.wordpress.com/the-authors-story (http://theseedindeed.wordpress.com/the-authors-story)
Straight Inc - http://survivingstraightinc.com/home (http://survivingstraightinc.com/home)
Documentary: http://www.survivingstraightincthemovie.com (http://www.survivingstraightincthemovie.com)
Documentary discussion group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/survivin ... ncthemovie (http://www.facebook.com/groups/survivingstraightincthemovie)
Web Diva’s Domain: http://www.webdiva.org (http://www.webdiva.org)
The Straights: http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com)
Reuniting Straight Survivors: groups.yahoo.com/group/Straight_Inc_Alumni
Straight Inc. Survivors and Loved Ones: http://www.facebook.com/groups/314450680433 (http://www.facebook.com/groups/314450680433)
Straight Inc. Atlanta Survivors: http://www.facebook.com/groups/175878965799571 (http://www.facebook.com/groups/175878965799571)
In Memory of Those Gone: http://www.facebook.com/StraightMemorial (http://www.facebook.com/StraightMemorial)
Straight Inc. Survivors: http://www.facebook.com/StraightIncSurvivors (http://www.facebook.com/StraightIncSurvivors)
Book, “Straightlings”: http://cyndyetler.com/MyBook.html (http://cyndyetler.com/MyBook.html) • facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cyndy-Dre ... uthor-Page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cyndy-Drew-Etlers-Author-Page)
Survivor Art: http://www.etsy.com/shop/morli (http://www.etsy.com/shop/morli)
facebook cause, “Bring Miller Newton Down” http://www.causes.com/causes/649176-bri ... ewton-down (http://www.causes.com/causes/649176-bring-miller-newton-down)
twitter: @straightinc
Teen Challenge - http://www.teenchallengeexposed.com (http://www.teenchallengeexposed.com)
http://teenchallengecult.blogspot.com/2 ... lenge.html (http://teenchallengecult.blogspot.com/2008/05/daily-kos-dogemperor-teen-challenge.html)
http://medicalwhistleblowernetwork.jigs ... -challenge (http://medicalwhistleblowernetwork.jigsy.com/teen-challenge)
Teen Mania - http://www.recoveringalumni.com (http://www.recoveringalumni.com)
Universal Health Services - http://watchinguhs.wordpress.com (http://watchinguhs.wordpress.com)
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/keepaneye (http://www.facebook.com/groups/keepaneye)
Provo Canyon School: http://www.torturecanyonschool.com (http://www.torturecanyonschool.com)
Utah Boys Ranch / West Ridge Academy - http://www.mormongulag.com (http://www.mormongulag.com)
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mormon-Gulag/66433973256 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mormon-Gulag/66433973256)
WWASP / Teen Help:
http://wwaspdiaries.com (http://wwaspdiaries.com)
http://wwaspsurvivors.com (http://wwaspsurvivors.com)
facebook: Stop WWASP http://www.facebook.com/groups/2206196427 (http://www.facebook.com/groups/2206196427)
Cross Creek Programees: http://www.facebook.com/groups/129695341421 (http://www.facebook.com/groups/129695341421)
Cross Creek Manor Sucks: https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2227667944 (https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2227667944)
Cross Creek Survivor Blog, “The Captive Teen”: http://thecaptiveteen.wordpress.com (http://thecaptiveteen.wordpress.com)
Ivy Ridge: http://www.facebook.com/groups/ivyairheads (http://www.facebook.com/groups/ivyairheads)
Tranquility Bay: Book, “Trapped in Paradise”: http://www.facebook.com/trappedinparadise1997 (http://www.facebook.com/trappedinparadise1997)
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Journalists & Media
Bipolar Nation Radio / Susan Schofield: http://www.latalkradio.com/Bipolar.php (http://www.latalkradio.com/Bipolar.php)
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/SusansBipolarNation (http://www.facebook.com/SusansBipolarNation)
Susan Schofield on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/schofieldfamily (http://www.facebook.com/schofieldfamily)
Cyber War News: http://www.cyberwarnews.info/2011/08/27 ... d/#respond (http://www.cyberwarnews.info/2011/08/27/anonymous-opliberation-help-teenagers-who-are-abused-and-mistreated/#respond)
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/CyberWarNews (http://www.facebook.com/CyberWarNews)
twitter: @Cyber_War_News
Human Being Broadcasting: http://www.HumanBeingBroadcasting.net (http://www.HumanBeingBroadcasting.net)
Facebook Twitter Skype: hbbcallin call # (270) 594-4662
Kevin M. Allan, OWNER masterofmanythings @k_m_allan You-Tube Skype: k_m_allan e-mail phone (603) 452-7086
Maia Szalavitz, facebook: http://www.facebook.com/maia.szalavitz (http://www.facebook.com/maia.szalavitz)
twitter: @maiasz
Mark Levine: http://www.marklevine.tv (http://www.marklevine.tv)
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Supporters
People and organizations that raise their voices to end institutional child abuse
In alphabetical order:
An Unsilenced Voice: http://anunsilencedvoice.com (http://anunsilencedvoice.com)
Ask the Judge: http://www.askthejudge.info (http://www.askthejudge.info)
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/AsktheJudge (http://www.facebook.com/AsktheJudge)
APA: http://www.apa.org/monitor/2011/12/troubled-teens.aspx (http://www.apa.org/monitor/2011/12/troubled-teens.aspx)
Bazelon Center for Mental Health: http://www.bazelon.org (http://www.bazelon.org)
ChildWelfare.gov: How to Report Child Abuse and Neglect - http://www.childwelfare.gov/responding/how.cfm (http://www.childwelfare.gov/responding/how.cfm)
ChildHelp: How to Report Suspected Child Maltreatment - http://www.childhelp.org/index.php/pages/hotline (http://www.childhelp.org/index.php/pages/hotline)
Children’s Rights: http://www.childrensrights.org (http://www.childrensrights.org)
Chuckles Travels: http://chucklestravels.wordpress.com (http://chucklestravels.wordpress.com)
Civil Rights in Psyciatric Hospitals http://civilrightspsychiatrichospital.blogspot.com/ (http://civilrightspsychiatrichospital.blogspot.com/)
International Cultic Studies Association: http://www.icsahome.com/logon/elibdocvi ... +Evolution (http://www.icsahome.com/logon/elibdocview_csjvol.asp?Subject=Residential+Treatment%3A+The+Potential+for+Cultic+Evolution)
Jillie Stake: http://jilliestake.blogspot.com/2012/01 ... mmies.html (http://jilliestake.blogspot.com/2012/01/educational-consultants-for-dummies.html) (& more entries)
Jonathan Dosick, BA, CPS
Coordinator, “5+1: Five Fundamental Rights/Fresh Air” Project
Southborough, Massachusetts
Email: http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=191615072304 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=191615072304)
Justice in JP http://justiceinJP.blogspot.com (http://justiceinJP.blogspot.com)
Kristin Bennett: http://www.kristinbennett.com (http://www.kristinbennett.com)
Liz Ditz: http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_d ... ry_schools (http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/education_therapeutic_and_proprietary_schools) (& more entries)
National Coalition for Child Protection Reform: http://nccpr.info (http://nccpr.info)
National Youth Rights Association: http://www.youthrights.org (http://www.youthrights.org)
No-Spank http://nospank.net/boot.htm (http://nospank.net/boot.htm)
Nunya: http://www.nunya.com/index.php/category ... boot-camps (http://www.nunya.com/index.php/category/human-rights/programs-and-boot-camps)
The Orange Papers http://www.orange-papers.org (http://www.orange-papers.org)
Philip Elberg http://medelb.com/ (http://medelb.com/)
Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/youthrights (http://www.reddit.com/r/youthrights)
http://www.reddit.com/r/kidsrights (http://www.reddit.com/r/kidsrights)
http://www.reddit.com/r/prisonreform (http://www.reddit.com/r/prisonreform)
Restoring Dignity: http://www.restoringdignity.org (http://www.restoringdignity.org)
Rick Ross: http://rickross.com (http://rickross.com)
Solitary Watch: http://solitarywatch.com/2010/01/30/chi ... lt-prisons (http://solitarywatch.com/2010/01/30/children-in-lockdown-part-1-solitary-confinement-of-kids-in-adult-prisons)
Stop the Mormons: http://www.stopthemormons.com/2009/01/0 ... rmon-gulag (http://www.stopthemormons.com/2009/01/06/trapped-in-a-mormon-gulag)
Visit Programs: http://visitprograms.org (http://visitprograms.org)
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Research & Reports
Bazelon Center for Mental Health - Fact Sheet: Children in Residential Treatment Centers: http://bazelon.org/LinkClick.aspx?filet ... &tabid=247 (http://bazelon.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=D5NL7igV_CA%3D&tabid=247)
FTC: Considering a Private Residential Treatment Program for a Troubled Teen? Questions for Parents and Guardians to Ask http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consume ... pro27.shtm (http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/products/pro27.shtm)
GAO / Government Accountability Office:
RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT PROGRAMS | Concerns Regarding Abuse and Death in Certain Programs for Troubled Youth - http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08713t.pdf (http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08713t.pdf)
Seclusion and Restraints - http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09719t.pdf (http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09719t.pdf)
Surgeon General:
Services Interventions - (also see below) http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/m ... /sec7.html (http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/mentalhealth/chapter3/sec7.html)
Ineffective Tertiary Programs And Strategies -
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/y ... /sec6.html (http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/youthviolence/chapter5/sec6.html)
Descriptions of Specific Programs That Meet Standards for Model and Promising Categories - http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/y ... dix5b.html (http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/youthviolence/chapter5/appendix5b.html)
The following are from http://www.hsdcfs.state.ut.us/documents ... search.pdf (http://www.hsdcfs.state.ut.us/documents/ResidentialTreatmentResearch.pdf)
Mental Health: A Report of the Surgeon General
· Concerns about residential care primarily relate to criteria for admission; inconsistency of community-based treatment established in the 1980’s; the costliness of such services (Friedman & Street, 1985).
· Other concerns include the risks of treatment, including failure to learn behavior needed in the community; the possibility of trauma associated with the separation from the family; difficulty reentering the family or even abandonment by the family; victimization by RTC staff; and learning of antisocial or bizarre behavior from intensive exposure to other disturbed children (Barker, 1998).
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/m ... /sec7.html (http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/mentalhealth/chapter3/sec7.html)
Surgeon General – Report on Residential Treatment
· In the past, admission to a RTC has been justified on the basis of community protection, child protection, and benefits of residential treatment per se (Barker, 1982). However, none of these justifications have stood up to research scrutiny. In particular, youth who display seriously violent and aggressive behavior do not appear to improve in such setting, according to limited evidence (Joshi & Rosenberg, 1997)
http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... &Itemid=35 (http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=353&Itemid=35)
MacArthur Research in the Models for Change Initiative
· This 2010 report supports the earlier findings written in the Surgeon General Report. The data found that institutional placement – which includes both correctional and residential treatment facilities – appears to have no advantage over community-based services in addressing delinquency.
http://www.modelsforchange.net/reformpr ... rc=hometxt (http://www.modelsforchange.net/reformprogress/57?src=hometxt)
Perspectives on Residential and Community-Based Treatment for Youth and Families
· This 2008 report also supports the Surgeon General Report on Mental Health. While residential treatment remains an important component of a systems of care, for most youth, community-based interventions represent a more appropriate, less costly alternative.
http://www.mtfc.com/2008%20Magellan%20R ... 0Paper.pdf (http://www.mtfc.com/2008%20Magellan%20RTC%20White%20Paper.pdf)
Outcomes of Children with Emotional Disturbance in Residential Treatment for
Educational Purposes· A study was conducted of the outcomes of all children and adolescents with serious emotional disturbance who had been placed by school districts in residential treatment facilities for educational purposes over a three-year period. Positive outcomes were assoiated with shorter lengths of stay. The availability of community-based services for the student and family was the single most likely reason reported by special education directors for positive discharge status.
http://www.aacredc.org/public/pdfs/Buil ... search.pdf (http://www.aacredc.org/public/pdfs/Building%20Research.pdf)
Building Bridges Between Residential and Nonresidential Services in Systems of
Care
· Findings include: 1) Residential treatment is part of the continuum in systems of care; 2) Residential treatment should be shortterm, anywhere from 30 to 90 days; 3) Targeted behavioral and mental health needs should be the focus of residential treatment; 4) Care planning should remain with the child and family team and not switch to a different team that just focuses on the residential treatment; 5) Family involvement should be supported and families should be drivers of the plan, and youth should have the opportunity to guide the plan; 6) The outcomes for the residential treatment stay should be very clear and timelimited;
7) Residential treatment centers should provide a broader continuum of care.
http://www.paltech.com/web/callForPaper ... ential.pdf (http://www.paltech.com/web/callForPapers/handouts/Building_Bridges_Between_Residential.pdf)
Children in out-of-home care: entry into intensive or restrictive mental health and
residential care placements
· This 2006 publication states that with the exception of treatment foster care, evidence for the effectiveness of services provided though group homes, residential treatment, and inpatient psychiatric care is weak and does not seem commensurate with the cost.
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article1 ... mecare.htm (http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article1G1155474832/childrenouthomecare.htm)
Research on Institutional Care of Vulnerable Children
· Provides a brief overview of the key findings of academic research into the effects
of institutional care for vulnerable children. It includes the finding that residential treatment or group care of foster children is best used sparingly for children with serious problems, preferably for time-limited periods.
http://www.nacac.org/policy/researchchart.pdf (http://www.nacac.org/policy/researchchart.pdf)
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Additional Info
Links to articles about facilities
New Beginnings Girls Academy
ComplaintsBoard: http://www.complaintsboard.com/complain ... tml?page=5 (http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/new-beginnings-girls-academy-larussell-missouri-c414958.html?page=5),
ABC: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/independen ... zGXQuz4I84 (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/independent-fundamental-baptist-discipline-call-tough-love-abuse/story?id=13310172#.TzGXQuz4I84),
Detail: http://www.heal-online.org/newbeg.htm (http://www.heal-online.org/newbeg.htm),
Mother Jones: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/08 ... qus_thread (http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/new-bethany-ifb-teen-homes-abuse#disqus_thread)
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Survivors of Institutional Abuse website is http://sia-now.org/news.php (http://sia-now.org/news.php), not what you have listed.
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Survivors of Institutional Abuse website is http://sia-now.org/news.php (http://sia-now.org/news.php), not what you have listed.
Good catch! Thanks for the correction, I've changed it above and on the master list. I knew that, I musta been on auto-pilot or something.