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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Publisher on May 27, 2002, 11:23:00 AM
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For those who haven't read it, The 1st seven chapters are gratis to all current and former Elan Survivors.
To receive a copy
Email me at: yelruc@islands.vi
the book is an ebook only readable on your computer with miscrosft word document attached to print out.
Hard copy reprint expected last October is stalled at book agent's office due to negotiations for reprint and movie being formulated about Elan/Ricci and Michael Skakel
Regards
dan Bostdorf
Publisher
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The book duck in a rain coat is a worthless read.The only thing this book is good for is toilet paper.
Dan Bostdork is a flaming homo and his book is a peice of crap.Though it comes in handy when ones runs out of toilet paper.
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your a fuck you know that.Its not your story to tell. I new thats why you posted at kens sight.You fucking carrot picker. What gives you the right? You were not at any program doesn't make a difference what place your writing about.Oh thats all for now,What anerve you have.
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you stole our movie idea dan. thats fukd up. Me n Nazi were posting for actor tryouts and everything, n u stole our shit.
SyN
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On 2003-10-16 18:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What gives you the right? "
You got a story to tell? By all means, find a producer and sell it!
The story needs to be told. If you think you can do it better, please do. I'm not being facetious. I mean it literally. Dan's got something to say and he's saying it. You will definitely not be satisfied with the way he goes about it because it's not going to tell your story from your perspective. It's going to tell what Dan thinks is important from his perspective. Yours is, obviously, different.
If you can't or don't want to contribute and work some influence on this project, do your own. I mean it. I'd pay to go see both.
Not to sound like a martyr or anything, but I sure wish some stupid Kennedy cousin were into the mix so that people would take such an interest in Straight! That story needs to be told too.
The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.
--Thomas Sowell
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I have to say that I am in agreement with Ginger, here.
In ths school yard, people wopuld say things like,
" I was gonna get those shoes. You stole my idea"
Nobody really owns odeas though. If you wanna do something, you gotta go out and do it. The fact of the matter is that I know not enough of Dan to judge him, but HE IS going out and doing it, it seems.
If you think he is wrong, then I say outcompete him, OUT THERE.. not complain in here.
His story will perhaps come from a different angle then yours anway.. his may be mor focussed on the Moxley case, and Ricci..( now I can see that.. that would make a good TV movie.. I could completely see that)
Perhaps, yours can be more focussed on the rpogram itself, and from the point of view of residents, if that is the direction that you wish to go.
Will his hurt yours?
Fuck No!
It will open the door.. It will open the door for more interest.
People will perhaps become intetrested in Elan seeing the bits of it that they do in this other flic, but one way or another, my veiw is.. that if you wanna do it.. get on it, cause there will always be others on it..
You have the story that researchers do not.. Use that to your advantage, or like Ginger said, you could even look into the possibility of collaborating with Dan...
Long story, short.. there are a million possibilities...
Paul St. John
Paul
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I came in here with first cup of coffe.I'm not even awake.I think its definately needed and a long time coming.My angel was pure jealously but thats on me.I would like to say to Dan good luck and get it done.I also wanted to say I was sorry for reacting on inpulse.I gave that much thought last night and came here to set it straight this morning.I will enjoy Elan being exsposed for what it is.Its been my dream my hole adult life.I'm from the beginging and so pleased to watch the ending.
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The fatal pedagogical error is to throw answers, like stones, at the heads of those who have not yet asked the questions.
Paul Tillich
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Paul
you make a lot of sense , do anything to draw attention to elan ..., writing my congressman (at the time was) Pete Defazio from the Great state of Oregon .
He thanked me for informing him of the elan school . My whole point to Mr. Defazio was that elan was not a school .It was a radically sadistict and abusive behaviour modifacation center, not a school .
Writing to Mr. Tobin who wrote an article for the New Yorker magazine ,back in 7-01 where he quoted kruglik as saying that elan was not not an abusive place(from the witness stand under oath,during a preliminary hearing for Mr. Skakel . I fired ofF a letter to the editor of that magazine stating that Martin Kruglik was in fact not telling the truth (prejury)in anyway shape or form .(still waiting for a reply )
Details Magazine had some whacked out quotes from zaretsky (he hates it when his name is spelled that way )And so I fired off an E mail letter to their editor . I knew zareszky and in my opinion he was a scary sociopathic preverted freak .I let them know of my opinion in no uncertain terms .I have not heard squat back .
Yeah sometimes you just gotta do it ,which brings me to my next idea . I have spoken of my diploma from elan on the, time to close the doors of elan web site . I mentioned something as to the effect of putting it on e bay (as a joke ) It is signed by Ricci and Davidson ,and P Mccann and Kruglik ,era 1976 And I mean like putting it on E Bay for say 10 million dollars ,and put it on as a true testatement to pain caused by this bazarre institution . and of course they would be able to pick my brain for every little detail that I could remember about elan .
Say it sold .I would give 2 million to a lawyer that I know who deals with this type of thing .The man Has beaten the statutue of limitation laws ,pertaining to other abusive TC's . I have faith that this man could shut down elan and more than likely get former residents money . The other money I would want to split up amongst the folks that survived elan who were in there with me (during my time ) that did not get anything out of any settlement ,say this all goes forward . Thats kinda like an idea that I am really tempted to do ...
Most certainly would draw attention to elan after all a piece of paper for 10 million dallars . you know itsa a stal at that price (probably really should ask for 25 million dollars )
Just what i have been thinking about
Paul i plan on cleaning up this site fairly soon .I will try to remove the scat garbage that is just a little too much .Please bear with me .I have two sons and a very hectic work week .(I build houses for a large builder here in Va. average sq foot is 2600 feet ,average price is 190000 and up depending on their upgrades .I have built 14 so far this year and if things go well I have 8 more to go for this year . Of the 8, 2 are lots that I have not taken down yet ,cleared .)a great job ,just keeps me very busy .
Matt
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Hi Dan, so good to see you here spreading the gospel of Elan, I would like to invite you to suck my cock you fuckin piece of shit.
Whats the point of this thread?
Ginger says "You got a story to tell? By all means, find a producer and sell it!"
Now thats LAUGHABLE. Has someone not heard the recent news...ELAN IS OLD NEWS!..the media, in any form (minus one jackass publisher) isnt interested!
In a perfect world, none of us would have gone to Elan, but then a lot of asholes would have been on the streets instead of confined in an institution that dealt with some really fucked up people.
Anyone remember Danny Conger from Elan, sick mother fucker he is (assuming no-one has put a knife through his esophogus yet)
I'm sure he wasnt the only extremely disturbed person there...would it be far fetched to say theres others who DESERVED it too?
Or are/were all of you sniveling fucks saints? Lets see, close Elan for alledged crimes of yesteryear to quell the pains of some jerkoffs who cant get on with thier lives with Elan still in exsistance..or protect society from more people like you by keeping Elan open...the least that will happen will be to keep some genuine asswad kids off the streets for a while. How bad can that be?
Too bad people seem to think the word "kid" is an innocent harmless entity...I deal with kids all day everyday who would rip an old ladies eyes out and fuck the hole if they had the chance...gee, lets find a place to put them all and then Ginger, Jackie and the rest of you silly fucks can close it too?
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On 2003-10-17 21:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hi Dan, so good to see you here spreading the gospel of Elan, I would like to invite you to suck my cock you fuckin piece of shit.
Whats the point of this thread?
I think that the point was very simple. Dan was informing people that they can download the first 7 chapters of his book. He then went on to tell that the hard cover is stalled due to the making of the movie. From there, the thread went it's own way.. Did I miss something?
... or maybe you did?
Ginger says "You got a story to tell? By all means, find a producer and sell it!"
Now thats LAUGHABLE. Has someone not heard the recent news...ELAN IS OLD NEWS!..the media, in any form (minus one jackass publisher) isnt interested!
If the media has yet to be interested, then it is not old news, but rather new news.. some would say
?Potentail? news ?
In a perfect world, none of us would have gone to Elan, but then a lot of asholes would have been on the streets instead of confined in an institution that dealt with some really fucked up people.
and also dealt with some really not too fucked up people, in yet a similar fashion, but that it is
a communistic, totalatarian organisation, so that is of course expected,....
or do you close your eyes to this?
Anyone remember Danny Conger from Elan, sick mother fucker he is (assuming no-one has put a knife through his esophogus yet)
I'm sure he wasnt the only extremely disturbed person there...would it be far fetched to say theres others who DESERVED it too?
Well, what about the majority who didn't deserve it? BTW, are you a staff member?
I would laugh my ass off, if you turned out to be the infamous "KruDick"
or maybe this is.. Mick.. nah!!!!!
Or are/were all of you sniveling fucks saints?
I think that you might be a staff member!
Lets see, close Elan for alledged crimes of yesteryear to quell the pains of some jerkoffs who cant get on with thier lives with Elan still in exsistance..or protect society from more people like you by keeping Elan open...the least that will happen will be to keep some genuine asswad kids off the streets for a while. How bad can that be?
Well, me.. I take the side of " closing Elan for alledged crimes of yesteryears, to quell the pains of some", although it's really the pain of many. Who are you? :wink:
Too bad people seem to think the word "kid" is an innocent harmless entity...I deal with kids all day everyday who would rip an old ladies eyes out and fuck the hole if they had the chance...gee, lets find a place to put them all and then Ginger, Jackie and the rest of you silly fucks can close it too?"
Nah.. I figure it s best to start with Elan and work our way down.. Let's not deflect attention here.. Oh, and where do you work with kids, BTW?
Paul St. John
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Paul "Saint" John...Elan is "new" news?
Were the hell you been dumbass? What was the date of publication of Duck? DUH!
One sentance you say I am Elan staff, the next Mick...Ken Z too, then, you ask where I work with kids...uh, your hot on the trail of a worthless mystery there dude...keep up the good work.
If the identity thing is too much for you to handle, find a site that doesnt offer that choice...or shut the fuck up and deal with it...Im Elan Alum and thats all you need to know fool...now go play in the sandbox, I have a feeling Dan is on his way in to offer his (intoxicated) point of view which might be beyond your intelectual capacity.
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On 2003-10-17 22:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Paul "Saint" John...Elan is "new" news?
Yes! or potential news!
Were the hell you been dumbass?
Watch who you call a dunbass, shit head!
What was the date of publication of Duck? DUH!
Well, the thing is that " Duck", only touched on a very small part of Elan.. You see there is much more that the general public does not know, and if they did know, change would be certain
One sentance you say I am Elan staff, the next Mick...Ken Z too, then, you ask where I work with kids...uh, your hot on the trail of a worthless mystery there dude...keep up the good work.
Not that it is that importnat really, BUT, I neber said you were ken, and I said that I didn t think you were Mick, but I did think you were Elan staff.. Well, if not, then I suppose you are one of their best clones
If the identity thing is too much for you to handle, find a site that doesnt offer that choice...or shut the fuck up and deal with it...
Wow! You really like to paint your own pictures of reality don't ya? Fortunatly, for you, you are safe behidn your PC screen, but then that is a whole another issuse, isn't it? Yeah.. out here, it s idea verse idea... that's cool
cause as stupid as you are, I ain t gotta worry 'bout nuthin'
Im Elan Alum and thats all you need to know fool...now go play in the sandbox,
I quote you as saying, " DUH"...
Yeah.. sure, I ll go play in the sand box. God, you are fucking weak. I could spit right through your fucking facade
I have a feeling Dan is on his way in to offer his (intoxicated) point of view which might be beyond your intelectual capacity."
Oh.. boo .. Hoo.. I m so upset now!
Fucking pansy, retard..
Paul St. JOhn
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In a perfect world, none of us would have gone to Elan, but then a lot of asholes would have been on the streets instead of confined in an institution that dealt with some really fucked up people.
Yeah.. I remember my father said to the very main lead head honcho in Daytop..
something like, " I don't think these places are necessary.. This is not the real world. It doesn t help anything"
But that guy, he SO GOOD.. He was the best.. The counselors could not come close to him... I remember he was the only one there, who was actually really nice to the kids, but shit was he the genius bullshit artist of them all.
He said, " I agree.. I agree with you. Place like this hsould not have to exits, but unfortunatly we do not live in a perfect world, and so they do need to"
Damn.. He twisted the whole idea right outta context. My father was under no illusion that we lived in a perfect world. He was saying, " Two wrongs, don t make a right"
Why was he saying this? cause he was a generally honest guy who knew what it wasm to actually create and not destroty for a livlihood.
Perfect world? Yeah .. Sure.. Whatever you say, buudy.. We'll wait for a perfect world to manifest itself sponataneously, and then we ll start doing the right thing.
Paul St. John
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Blah blah blah..get a life Paul you worthless piece of shit.
I close my eyes and try to picture the snivelers who cry about Elan...I see Paul bent over with a finger in his rectum, saying "look at my asshole...they fucked me in the asshole...look"
You fuckin snivelers bring the majority of shame upon yourselves.
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On 2003-10-17 22:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Paul "Saint" John...Elan is "new" news?
Were the hell you been dumbass? What was the date of publication of Duck? DUH!
One sentance you say I am Elan staff, the next Mick...Ken Z too, then, you ask where I work with kids...uh, your hot on the trail of a worthless mystery there dude...keep up the good work.
If the identity thing is too much for you to handle, find a site that doesnt offer that choice...or shut the fuck up and deal with it...Im Elan Alum and thats all you need to know fool...now go play in the sandbox, I have a feeling Dan is on his way in to offer his (intoxicated) point of view which might be beyond your intelectual capacity."
Are you aware that you did not respond to any of my points.. ya know.. the ones where I debunked your whole pointLESS ranting?
You just came after me for mistaking your identity, which I wish I did know, considerring your SICK, DISGUSTING, FUCKING veiw of children, so as to warn others, not to put their kids in your company. It is unfortunate that you are scared of the children that you work with, and hope to see harm befall them.
Paul St. John
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On 2003-10-17 23:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Blah blah blah..get a life Paul you worthless piece of shit.
and you insulted my intellectual capacity?
You would like to go a few more rounds, dickhead?
I close my eyes and try to picture the snivelers who cry about Elan...I see Paul bent over with a finger in his rectum, saying "look at my asshole...they fucked me in the asshole...look"
and again... you thought that I should go play in a sand box? Most losers, like yourself, usually build up a far better defense then yours over the years. I guess that you re a loser at being a loser, but hey that could be a good thing... right?
You fuckin snivelers bring the majority of shame upon yourselves."
Keep telling yourself that bro, but it's only yourself that you are locking the closets..
These people aren't listenning to you. You call them snivelers. They know that they are human beings who fucked royally without cause..
Are the type of dude, who would put down a girl for admitting that she had been raped and wanting justice?
Nah.. you are too much of a pussy for a statement that bold.. You d rather go, where society has not yet shed it's light, and you can still be a dickhead without too much resistance
Paul St. John
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Did it occur to you I have absolutely nothing to prove to you or anyone else Paul? I am well within my bounds to pick and chose how I respond to you.
Your insults, assumptions and judgements are so completely unfounded and quite perverse themselves based on a simple post or two that I have to file you with the rest of the yahoos who suddenly develop some sort of allknowing insight into the lives and minds of those who post in your view.
News flash...your opinion is your opinion Paul...no matter how you force feed it to the masses of morons who post here...its still your opinion and quite frankly, you have your head up your ass if you think yours is any more valuable or valid than anyone elses.
Heres one Im sure youve heard many times... Fuck off.
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On 2003-10-17 23:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Did it occur to you I have absolutely nothing to prove to you or anyone else Paul? I am well within my bounds to pick and chose how I respond to you.
Did it occur to you, that everyone here, and everyone everywhere can pick and choose how they respond to anything? BUT, if you are keep making points, and then moving on to your next stupidity, every time, that I prove you wrong, then you are wasting megabytes.. Did it ever occur to you, that someone pays for those megabytes? I think it's one of the snivelers.
Your insults, assumptions and judgements are so completely unfounded and quite perverse themselves based on a simple post or two that I have to file you with the rest of the yahoos who suddenly develop some sort of allknowing insight into the lives and minds of those who post in your view.
Nah.. I am just really perceptive! Did it ever occur to you that you can file me how ever you want, and I won t care.. Hey you wanna hurt your filing system, that's up to you.
News flash...your opinion is your opinion Paul...
Newsflash.. Everyone's opinion is everyone's opinion. You might wanna look back over the thread a bit.. You seemed pretty cocky with your opinion to start , didn t you? Of course, that was before I showed that you are coming at this with nothing
no matter how you force feed it to the masses of morons who post here...
LQQK over my posts, and then LQQK over yours.
Who's trying to forcefeed here?
its still your opinion and quite frankly, you have your head up your ass if you think yours is any more valuable or valid than anyone elses.
Well know.. this is where you pull everything right out of the realm where it mine mean something. I think I am correct. Now, if I am then the actual words I am saying are in fact more valid and valuable then yours, because they actually mean something, maybe (scratches head)
But nice try again, with that egalitarian bullshit!
Heres one Im sure youve heard many times... Fuck off."
LOL! and I make assumptions
As far as my "fucking off", I am free to offer my opinion, just as well as you are free to offer yours..
But what I find humorous, is that you came in complaining that there was no purpos eto the thread, and then you went on to write one purposeless post after another.. Of course, purpose is relative.. Your posts did serve a puropse to me.
Paul St. John
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PS Do you ever shut up? What a pitiful pain in the ass you are. Whats your purpose? Are you here to blast everyone who walks through the door?
Your "right"?
Who gives a fuck whos right and whos wrong? this site is a farce, this Elan subsection is a joke which will never result in anything positive....your a legless man teaching people how to run dude...
Do you have any money? give some to a shrink.
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is that u dougy poo
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Hi Dan, so good to see you here spreading the gospel of Elan, I would like to invite you to suck my cock you fuckin piece of shit.
Dude that is the funniest sentence to use to start odd a post.Sorry Paul but I am gonna have to disagree oon you with this one.When I read that post I laughed.
anyway Dan is a bastard, he doesnt know shit about Elan because he never went there.
Hey Matt,
What do you mean you are gonna start cleaning up this site?I put 1 year and half into contributing to this site and you wont to wash it away?Ok maybe the scat pics are a little to harshm I'll discontinue it if it makes you happy.But Man, don't clean anything else up.
This site is the #1 elan site on the internet today.We attract everyone from everywhere.Fornits killed off elan survivors and burined it deep in the mass of dead websites.We are #1, and are content is no holds barred.hell even ken Z comes here, his motto is "what will they come up with next?, I'm real curious"
I made this site what it is today, the #1 elan message board out there........
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ANONYMOUS
(HEY GOT GUILT? COP TO IT!)
I READ YOU FUCKIN SNIVELERS. THE SHAME I BRING UPON MYSELF.I THINK NOT.I DON'T SHED ANY TEARS.I DO NOT DWELL I AM HERE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH.WHATS THE MATTER DOES THE TRUTH HURT?
SHAME ON YOU AND ALL THAT KEEP THOSE DOORS OPEN.
SHAME ON MAINE FOR IGNORING THERE OWN TAX PAYERS.THEY CAN'T EVEN GET IT SHUT DOWN.COMMITIE FORMED THE HOLE 9 YARDS.I HAVE EVERY PRINT OUT I HAVE DONE MY HOME WORK.NOT BAD MARTY FOR A DUMB MOTHER FUCKER AS YOU LOVED TO CALL ME.NICE LANGUAGE FOR A SCHOOL SO POSITVE.
(COME ON AND REPLY ANOYMOUS WITH NO GUTS)
(REMEMBER GUILT KILLS) HEY HAPPY TRAILS TO YOU UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN.
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I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW DO DA DO DA. GENERALLLLLLLLLL MEETINGGGGGGGGGGGG!
BIG DEAL USE TO CALL MY OWN,REMEMBER JEFF ME AND BABARA T YEAH SHE SLIT HER THROAT NICE JOB.
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Hey you who work with kids,yes thats what there called or would you prefere children.I don't know what you deal with up there today.Me I just ranaway and state took me from my dad.what was I running from you dummy?I deseved nothing I was dealt just stating the facts.I'm not sniveling.I'm actually a happy person and well balanced and no the program called Elan Straights ect...They are all about money and all about cults and I know first hand all about brainwashing and a program that was stated in my news paper as being like the moonies.They violated our constitucional rights)What a joke and a understatement.State I was makes you wonder?
Excuse spelling not in the mood to be perfect this morning.just want to SAY IT!
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Barbra Tremb.... committed suicide . how sad I believe she was pregnant when she came in, came in with Bob Geller.... she had black hair .how sad .
she went in the ring while pregnant . (I got there about a month before they did ) I was forced to go into the ring with Bob . It was go in the ring for the house or go in the ring and have the house crush you .
Bob I did not want to go in the ring with you . I was forced ,coerced is a better word for it .
God sorry to hear Barbra is gone . I think ricci made her lose her baby (abortion) and this was a theraputic place ,no it was a horrible freakshow of brutal abuse .
Matt
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If even half of the credible details of what went on at Elan are true, these same sadistic sons of bitches who did these things to these kids should have no access the the minds or bodies of kids now.
You say "I deal with kids all day everyday who would rip an old ladies eyes out and fuck the hole if they had the chance..."
Really? Cause I don't remember reading about any old ladies anywhere in the country having had their eyeballs ripped out and the hole fucked by anyone, child or adult. You'd think that sort of thing would make the papers. I did read recently about an adopted kid who shot his newly adopted mother and then molested the body. That story dominated the headlines for weeks and we still read follow ups every time there's a new development in the case.
It's just amazing, isn't it? I know WWASP has about 5k of these dangerous sociopaths under custody at any given time. Then there are all the hundreds or thousands who've gone through Elan and then all the other programs. We're talking tens of thousands of violent, dangerous psychopaths all under the age of 18. Isn't it just amazing how no one ever sees them or hears about them or finds out that they're capable of such heinous violence until the "treatment gurus" at Elan or WWASP get ahold of them?
Check out Charles Long III. He's facing murder charges, last I heard, for killing a kid in his custody at Buffalo Soldiers Reenactors. He said the same damned thing about the kids in his charge "Just imagine, a whole bus load of Baby Faced Nelsons!" Oooooo, scary, huh! Sure, if you believe it. But then, he had a HUGE motive for keeping that lie intact, didn't he?
So.... what's yours?
Being sleepy can impair someone's ability to do thier job. People
can sleep at home and come to the job with sleepiness still in their system. The sleepiness can still be there long after the employee has slept. When someone is found to be sleepy on the job, they can claim that they went to sleep the night before. The only solution to this problem is to ban employees from sleeping.
--Arthur Slabosky
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On 2003-10-18 01:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"PS Do you ever shut up? What a pitiful pain in the ass you are.
Yeah.. that's me.. a pitiful pain in the as..LOL.. kinda like those evil kids you choose to spend our days working with..
Whats your purpose?
What's your's?
Are you here to blast everyone who walks through the door?
Hell no!
Your "right"?
Who gives a fuck whos right and whos wrong?
I do!
this site is a farce, this Elan subsection is a joke which will never result in anything positive....
Sorry, I disagree, and again.. noone forced ya to come here
your a legless man
Even if I was legless, I d still be a few notches over you
teaching people how to run dude...
What are you talkning about? Who am I teaching how to run? and how am I doint this?
Notice I back up everythig I write, while you just throw out a bunch of bullshit assertions
Do you have any money? give some to a shrink."
Well thanks for the advie..LMAO! :lol:
Paul St. John
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On 2003-10-18 11:36:00, Antigen wrote:
"You say "I deal with kids all day everyday who would rip an old ladies eyes out and fuck the hole if they had the chance..."
Really? Cause I don't remember reading about any old ladies anywhere in the country having had their eyeballs ripped out and the hole fucked by anyone, child or adult. You'd think that sort of thing would make the papers. I did read recently about an adopted kid who shot his newly adopted mother and then molested the body. That story dominated the headlines for weeks and we still read follow ups every time there's a new development in the case.
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EXACTLY!
These are self-formed veiws based in fear and paranoia for which he would like these children to pay a price.
Paul St. John
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Matt, that's a fantastic idea!
Can I suggest, though, setting up a seperate forum to use as a trash bin instead of deleting those posts? Here's why. Whatever anyone may make of that content, do we want to create the illusion that so and so isn't the kind of person to say such things?
And do we also go and delete the few similar counter-attacks and pretend that didn't happen?
Just my thoughts.
One other thing I was thinking about. This thread or another, I don't remember, you mention that Straight was nothing compared to Elan. I'm not sure if that's entirely true or not. Wherever Miller Newton was directly involved, there were no holds barred. It was all about intense humiliation, fear of death and bodily harm. How they go about instilling that fear is subtly or overtly different from instance to instance. But the basic method is the same. And that's a story that needs to be told.
There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.
--George Washington
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In case anyone's reading this who doesn't know the background firsthand, this anon poster pretty much admits he's on staff at Elan. Same one who claims all the kids in his care are violent sociopaths. I was never in Elan, but I can tell you that the following quoted post sounds just exactly like a confrontation in group at Straight. I'm not exagerating, hell this is really sort of a mild sample.
I've seen staff at Straight stand a girl up and make her confess responsibility for making them (staff, parents) force her to have an abortion. "I did the necessary things to make you have to do it." I've seen them stand a guy up in group and confront him in the same harsh terms and the most brutal tones for being a selfish, attention seeking piece of shit after they brought him back from the hospital after he slashed both his wrists the right way.
To my mind, this is a crucial part of the story that needs to be told. This is what Elan, Straight, Miller Newton, WWASP and some other self appointed treatment gurus call therapy! "What's wrong with a little tough discipline?", they ask. Or "Well, the kid didn't apreciate what they had at home, so now they have nothing. Boo hoo!" in response to questions about humiliating and often life threatening conditions and events.
There's a whole lot more to be told. It takes a thousand voices, or so they say. Now put that together with the upstanding pillars of the community who continue to support and protect these sadistic SOBs by court mandated placements, direct funding, supportive legislation like the Marchman Act and you may begine to have trouble sleeping at night as I do.
On 2003-10-17 23:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Blah blah blah..get a life Paul you worthless piece of shit.
I close my eyes and try to picture the snivelers who cry about Elan...I see Paul bent over with a finger in his rectum, saying "look at my asshole...they fucked me in the asshole...look"
You fuckin snivelers bring the majority of shame upon yourselves."
Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time when the quo has lost its status
--Laurence J. Peter
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.. and I would like to add to what Ginger posted
that I do belive this poster(perhaps counselor)
is in fact telling the truth.
I am sure that he does in fact like to picture me bent over with finger in ass. I am sure that he gets off on that visual real good.
He probably also added to his fantasy the idea that I was legless, so as to make it a bit more kinky for himself..
Paul St. JOhn
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Yeah with a big black dick in your ass
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On 2003-10-18 14:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yeah with a big black dick in your ass"
One day, I am meet one of you fuckers!
:wave:
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Yeah.. I can picture it..
Suddenly, you will look like the sniveler.
unable to look me in the eyes and all,
and suddenly very quiet.
Oh.. but I hope I am wrong.
This is what I picture...
" Hey Paul.. bend over .. let me put my black dick in your ass"
My direction changes, and my speed increases.
Fear is all that can be seen in your eyes, as what is left of shakey composure, fights to still look like a hardass.
and then.. you go out :exclaim:
and hard :exclaim:
You wake aup later, and then start to complain to the whol world.
Or if it was Marty Krudick, even better.
I'd humiliate that motherfucker, before walking right throuh him.
Human filth!
Paul
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Ginger
Sorry it was a knee jerk reaction .I have been validating a persons abuse the tampoon head gear etc .I was a witness to her abuse .(amonst 100's of others )
I know these programs were bassiccally the same just used different means to achieve their goals
I am sorry ,it was me not thinking ...happens some time now and then .I did not mean to belittle in no way .and apologize if i did
Peace
Matt
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Matt, I'm not offended and I don't feel belittled at all. I just think it's important because it's not just these individuals on the level of Ricci, Barker, Miller or the staff running these places now. It's no coincidence, in my opinion, that essentially the same method that Bobby DuPont saw in practice at Synanon has been propagated all over the country. They're backed by organizations like government programs and agencies, the Mormon Church, the Southern Baptist Convention.
In a very big way, we're all in this together.
BTW, the idea I thought was so excellent was to auction off your diploma on E-Bay. But we have to have the reasons well documented and be ready in case it works and generates a lot of inqueries.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
--Thomas Jefferson, 1791, in a letter to Archibald Stuart
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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"Or if it was Marty Krudick, even better.
I'd humiliate that motherfucker, before walking right throuh him. "
Hey Marty looks like you make more and more friends as life goes on dont you boy? Marty had his fun in the spotlight now that light has burnt out.Now we are all in the spotlight and the power is now in our hands.Marty we the former victums will decide your fate.You cannot do anything about it, you didn't think you could get away with what you did without it coming all back to you in the future?
Wasn't it you that said " Whats comes around goes around?"
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YOUR AN ASS YOU HERE THAT YOU SICK SICK PERSON SHAME ON YOU MARTY AND JEFF NOT THE CHILDREN.YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO SOME,HMMMMMM SOME YOU LIKED OR NEEDED TO SAY SOMETHING IN YOUR CORNER.THATS ITS FOR ME WANT ANSWERS AND BY GOD I AM GOING TO GET THEM.KEEP POSTING YOU SICK PERSON YOUR PUSING ME RIGHT WERE i BELONG.THANKS YOU ARE BOTH CHILD ABUSERS AND YOUR BOTH GOING GOING TO ANSWER IF i DIE TRYING.THANKS FOR THE PUSH.GET IN THE CORNER MARTY AND JEFF.GENERAL MEETING.EVEN THE NAME OF IT IS SICK.THATS WHY YOUR ALL INTO YOURSELFS YA THINK YOUR IN CHARGE.THAT SMIRK MARTY YOU LOVED GENERAL MEETINGS.THEY HAD NO POINT TO THEM.WHAT WAS THE HELP IN BELITTELING AND DESTROYING TINY SOULS.ME CHEE I LOVED BEING SPIT AT AND SPANKED BY 120 KIDS WITH CLIPBOARDS,HELL YES IT HURT DUMMY AND YES I REACTED.I WAS A HUMAN BEING.WE WERE ALL HUMAN BEINGS.YOU COME HERE STAFF TO PISS PEOPLE OFF AND HONESTLY IT FRUSTRATES ME BUT I LEARNED FROM YOU TO HOW TO FIGHT BACK WHEN I FELL THAT WAY THANKS FOR PUSH.YOU ARE GOING TO ANSWER.I WILL DIE TRYING
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:wave: :tup: ++
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Why would anyone want to dig up this old post from the publisher? The publisher is DEAD!