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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 20, 2003, 12:33:00 AM
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http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ ... 4;t=000028 (http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=000028)
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debdellisola@erols.com
If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race?
--Frederic Bastiat -- 1801-1850
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Is this the same person listed as a parent volunteer on the PURE website?
http://helpyourteens.com/about_us.html (http://helpyourteens.com/about_us.html)
Also, does anybody know what class action lawsuit she is talking about? If it is the HURON GROUP, why are they still recruiting clients? Seems to me this has been going on for months. What's the deal?
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Debbie Dell'Isola - Sterling, VA - debbie1102@hotmail.com - That's a hoot! If she's not a lawyer, then it could mean a lot of things, including there's not enough solid evidence of abuse at wwasp after all these months of threats. Hey, it's served it's purpose for PURE to scare parents away from wwasp, right? Or, they could be going after CEDU or Aspen Education Group next? What's up with this?
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Stirring up the waters of doubt, that's all.
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Dated June 20, 2003 - from the Tico times - just an excerpt:
Two high-profile California-based law firms, Huron Law Group LLP and Masry & Vititoe - the latter made famous by the movie "Erin Brockovich" - are planning to enter the class-action suit in a Northern District Federal Court of California today, attorney Ed Masry told The Tico Times yesterday.
Did they file this in June as stated?
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No, they did not. You might ask ISAC what's going on in reference to the lawsuit, since they are still referring potential clients to HURON vis a vis the homepage of their website.
:silly:
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Deb is a personal friend, one I met on the strugglingteens.com site. She is a former "ranch girl" from a nearby valley here in Northern California, and we share correspondence about her childhood haunts. She has been very warm and uplifting in her messages to us as we journeyed through the darkest days of our grandaughter being held in WWASPS in Mexico.
Deb has a 17 yo son who successfully completed a program at a "real" therapeutic boarding school, and has been home for several months. While I do not feel sending a child away to be a viable option, it has worked for Deb and her family. Maybe their family needed the "time out", but the whole family was intensely involved in her son's progress and re-patriation into his home, and they all seem to be back on the right track.
As to the question on the board about a law suit, I don't know...and have been quite busy this week and haven't written to Deb to ask. I will though, but only for my own edification. If you all are so interested, why the hell don't you write her and ask instead of postulating every-more absurd scenarios about PURE, etc.
The small cadre of Anons (or is it just 2) who wonder if it is PURE who is responsible for so many daily functions of life, like making the days get shorter lately (duh...it's winter, you morons), get a life.
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Thanks Spots. I'm sure Mrs. D.VA appreciates the warm wishes. Her involvement with PURE may not be of interest to you, but it could be to others, especially in light of the controversy now swirling around the much-ballyhooed but yet to be filed direct action lawsuit. Why she is recruiting potential clients at this late date is a legitimate question and worthy of a straight answer. We shall see ...
Happy Holidays!
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Oh, and by the way, Spots. The only morons I know are the ones stupid enough to believe that where there is no smoke, there is no fire.
:lol:
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Typo Correction;
.... where there IS smoke, there is no fire.
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On 2003-12-21 15:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Stirring up the waters of doubt, that's all. "
Doubt? Or critical thought? Can you give me definitions that show the difference?
"There lives more faith, in honest doubt, Believe me, than in half the creeds."--Alfred Lord Tennyson
A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you least expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit.
-- In the August 1993 issue, page 9, of PS magazine, the Army's magazine of preventive maintenance
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Spots - you are forever contradicting yourself. Mrs. D.VA says the same things that wwasp parents say. You believe her, but you don't believe them? Oh, I forgot, she sent her child to a "real" RTC. My relative was in a REAL RTC too...Cross Creek, a wwasp school. Do a search on struggling teens. I found a great one, but hesitate to post information from another forum unless that's okay??
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On 2003-12-22 19:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Spots - you are forever contradicting yourself. Mrs. D.VA says the same things that wwasp parents say. You believe her, but you don't believe them? Oh, I forgot, she sent her child to a "real" RTC. My relative was in a REAL RTC too...Cross Creek, a wwasp school. Do a search on struggling teens. I found a great one, but hesitate to post information from another forum unless that's okay?? "
Anon, when in doubt, just post a link to the forum where the info is you want to share. Real RTC? That's a bit of a contradiction right there.
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Perhaps you have skipped lightly over one of my phrases. I do not believe sending your troubled child off to a secluded place, outside the dynamics of the family in turmoil, is a viable option. I said exactly that in my post. The only difference I make with a "real RTC" from WWASPS is that eventually, more sooner than later, direct communication is allowed between parent and child. On strugglingteens.com, most parents gain access by telephone within about 10 days of confinement. Also, most families are allowed and encouraged to make a site visit (siblings, too) within the first month or so. Now, you can talk to Deborah about how easy it is to hide the abusive-restrictive nature of a "real RTC".
There is opportunity for a "problem child" to be removed from the family...sort of a Giant Time-Out...that may give vital breathing room to an explosive situation. This is what happened with Mrs. D VA. Her child had attempted suicide more than once, and she and her husband were desperate for *immediate* protection for him. Their enrollment of their son was not done because he was "acting disrespectful" or dabbling with pot while missing Saturday curfew. While there are public options for help with a dangerously wild child, they certainly can be convoluted and not immediate enough to keep a kid safe. If parents can afford it, private placement is an answer. That said, if you follow the strugglingteens parents' board, it is still rare to find this situation. More often, it is parents "at their wit's end" with defiant teens, and there is the standard Extra-Large representation of adoptive parents. [About 20% of WWASPS kids are adopted, a larger percentage by far than adoptive families of teenagers in this country.]
No matter, the kid pulled from his family will always live with his "stigma", as the one who gave his parents so much grief, as the one who "ruined everything". WWASPS just makes it a sacred duty to grind that feeling of shame into a kid. Why? Because it works! Kids eventually buckle to the shame aspect, and most will do anything to regain a place in their family. Quick fix...lifelong pain.
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What is the status of the class-action?