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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 17, 2003, 11:05:00 AM
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So the court docs say that Sue's PURE, INC grossed approx. $300k.
So there is a theory on this since they don't really market that much - one would ask logically how they could do that.
Steve Bozak (an ed. consultant) would charge parents for a "consultation" and conveniently recommend a program which Pure is an affiliate or admissions co. So Steve takes money from parents.
Then Sue gets the contract signed and makes approx. $2000 (from what I understand it's $1000 to refer and $2000 if you actually get a contract signed). Of course the programs that they are involved with don't know what's going on. In a typical scenerio with an ethical consultant the parent would be referred directly to the program to contract saving the program $2000 approx. (some have been said to give up to $3000).
(which I figure why the hell not - the program charges the parent the same if they put them in or a place like PURE does - so why not spread the wealth).
Carey should sue Bozak and Scheff for this unethical practice.
Side note - Why shouldn't Carey take WWASP money?
Anyone with a logical brain cell in their head would say when faced by an attorney at $200-300/hr. telling you to take the money or receive a court order to give up info - why not save time, hassle, and make a little dough?
Here were the options -
1. destroy evidence (uh oh)
2. sell out (make money, and get revenge on sue)
3. hold out (no money)
It seems to me that the only ones telling her that she shouldn't have done this are Sue's chronies. Yes, I'm talking about you Colburns. You think your tone and manor about you doesn't give you away.
Back to the scam of PURE :
I wonder how deep it really goes. She could have 10 of these guys who she could kick back a portion of the admit money.
As for the thread on Berryman - He was working the msg boards to get business for PURE. He probably needed money because he couldn't get his fat ass out of bed to go to his cushy govt. job. I mean really, what does the man do for a living? Nobody knows! I'll tell you - he takes Sue's money.
Berryman, Scheff, Carey (for entertaining all the criticism about her - Carey - just say FUCK YOU! already), Bozak, etc are FUCK0's and Scam Artists (a fine one at that - I mean DAMN $300K!!!!!!!)
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This Anon is from the Twilight Zone. You're pretty far gone if you believe any of that.
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Sounds like you must have insider info on how it was run then --- Care to share?
Sounds like you must have taken her money too!
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anon...obviously you haven't had privy to the JB depo? way the *f* of base...govt. job, ha! ha! ha!
YOUR theory sounds to much like scarey's...CARE TO CASH A CHECK?
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sarcasm fucko -
He's so fat he couldn't work for the govt. They'd fire his ass because it'd cause the insurance of all to go sky high.
Sarcasm...
If you know so much - HOW DOES HE MAKE A LIVING???
Sounds like he works for SUE! With how much she's pulling in she could support quite a few chronies...
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Anon,
Your post is spoken like a true /teen helpwwasp employee. Lie lie lie and more lies.
When you dont have credibility or the facts, make stuff up.
More slander and lies. Look who you choose to support .The other fibber.
Too oobvious. WWASPIE!!!!!!!!
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drama is killing you isn't it anon.
vocbulary...is a dead give away...LOL
i love it when you're left out in the dark, alone with YOUR own sarcasm.
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On 2003-12-17 08:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So the court docs say that Sue's PURE, INC grossed approx. $300k.
So there is a theory on this since they don't really market that much - one would ask logically how they could do that.
Steve Bozak (an ed. consultant) would charge parents for a "consultation" and conveniently recommend a program which Pure is an affiliate or admissions co. So Steve takes money from parents.
Then Sue gets the contract signed and makes approx. $2000 (from what I understand it's $1000 to refer and $2000 if you actually get a contract signed). Of course the programs that they are involved with don't know what's going on. In a typical scenerio with an ethical consultant the parent would be referred directly to the program to contract saving the program $2000 approx. (some have been said to give up to $3000).
(which I figure why the hell not - the program charges the parent the same if they put them in or a place like PURE does - so why not spread the wealth).
Carey should sue Bozak and Scheff for this unethical practice.
Side note - Why shouldn't Carey take WWASP money?
Anyone with a logical brain cell in their head would say when faced by an attorney at $200-300/hr. telling you to take the money or receive a court order to give up info - why not save time, hassle, and make a little dough?
Here were the options -
1. destroy evidence (uh oh)
2. sell out (make money, and get revenge on sue)
3. hold out (no money)
It seems to me that the only ones telling her that she shouldn't have done this are Sue's chronies. Yes, I'm talking about you Colburns. You think your tone and manor about you doesn't give you away.
Back to the scam of PURE :
I wonder how deep it really goes. She could have 10 of these guys who she could kick back a portion of the admit money.
As for the thread on Berryman - He was working the msg boards to get business for PURE. He probably needed money because he couldn't get his fat ass out of bed to go to his cushy govt. job. I mean really, what does the man do for a living? Nobody knows! I'll tell you - he takes Sue's money.
Berryman, Scheff, Carey (for entertaining all the criticism about her - Carey - just say FUCK YOU! already), Bozak, etc are FUCK0's and Scam Artists (a fine one at that - I mean DAMN $300K!!!!!!!)"
Hmmm, with that kinda dough, no need to shop at WallMart (see "Of Coarse Thread" for details)
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Just because I agree with Scary making a buck doesn't make me a WWASPIE FUCKO.
I guess I failed to mention my personal opinion of her as a bumbling idiot because it wasn't part of the previous post. I've told her that plenty of times elsewhere.
In fact, I was trying to get conversation going here of who really knows how that PURE was run and what the hell they did to earn / and how they spent $300k.
You think you know something - well do tell.
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Can we back up here a minute (if this IS in fact backing up) In other words, I'm not sure if this question has been answered yet or not...
How did WWASP find out about Carey's hard drive in the first place?
How did the transaction go down? Did Carey go to WWASP and say "Look what I have here. I'd like $100,000 for it please?" "No? OK, I'll take 12,500 then...so you don't subpoena it." (?)
What really happened? Exactly how did the whole thing, from start to finish, unfold?
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Frod, to use your words, this shit is about to get MERKY!!
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detective froderik;
oh!!! NOW you want her to tell the "trueth"?
think about it; how did wwasp even know about the emails?
WHO contacted WHO you ask?
MAYbe we need to call columbo or matlock?
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I'd settle for Baretta at this point... :lol:
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hell...he can't even find HIS gun. much less asmoking one!!! lmao
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Baretta has his own problems right now. He's under house arrest?
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:rofl: You're killin' me!
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i heard O.J. was attempting to hire Beretta...or was it the other way around??? roflmao
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what do michael jackson & a plastic bag have in common?
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..................................................neither are safe for young children to play with...................
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Frod, the legend goes that WWASP had no idea that Trekkers even existed till Carey posted something about it in these forums.
At the time, no one said a word to me. I think that was back around the end of September. I got a frantic AIM msg from an old friend (who probably doesn't really think of me as a friend any more) warning me that Sue was thinking of suing me over postings on this forum. Well that pissed me off, so I decided to go and bottle up some beer that really was probably a day or two late for it.
While I'm doing that, I get a call from another friend with the same warning.
At this point, I still don't know what message(s) have got Sue's panties in a bunch. So I posted the thread PURE Bullshit to try and find out.
I spent a few minutes trying to locate that offending post, but couldn't find it. At the time, Sue agreed that none of it met any legal requirements for me to censor, except for her private ( :question: ) email address and phone numner. So I marked those out and left the rest. If anyone can find the infamous post, I'd like to look it over again knowing what I know now.
However, even if it does contain information that would have tipped off the WWASPies, that doesn't really prove that that's where they got it. I'd heard the term Trekkers floating around long before then. But I wasn't interested enough to go and find out just who and what they were. I assumed they were probably white hats and that, eventually, I'd probably find out more. That's why I think that anyone with a vested interest in getting at that data probably could have done it just fine without Carey.
Don't worry about temptation--as you grow older, it starts avoiding you.
-- Old Farmer's Almanac
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Recap:
Bozak went to Costa Rica with Carey (and some bodyguards) to rescue her kids, is this correct? If so, why in the world would Carey need an educational consultant to accompany her. I understand (sort of) why she might want some muscle-men but an educational consultant? Was this Carey's or somebody else's idea? Just wondering, not trying to start a bogus war.
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According to Sue, Steve had been there in August. Sue claimed that Steve had witnessed how bad it was. She said Steve said the kids were eating only rice and an egg for their dinner when he was there doing his program visit.
She said he knew where it was and he would be able to help me find the place. According to Sue and Steve, Dundee was in the Jungle and would be hard for me to find. It was Steve who recommended we take the so called "bails bondsmen."
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Anon Posted: 2003-12-17 08:05:00
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So the court docs say that Sue's PURE, INC grossed approx. $300k. So there is a theory on this since they don't really market that much - one would ask logically how they could do that.
Steve Bozak (an ed. consultant) would charge parents for a "consultation" and conveniently recommend a program which Pure is an affiliate or admissions co. So Steve takes money from parents.
Then Sue gets the contract signed and makes approx. $2000 (from what I understand it's $1000 to refer and $2000 if you actually get a contract signed). Of course the programs that they are involved with don't know what's going on. In a typical scenerio with an ethical consultant the parent would be referred directly to the program to contract saving the program $2000 approx. (some have been said to give up to $3000).
(which I figure why the hell not - the program charges the parent the same if they put them in or a place like PURE does - so why not spread the wealth). Carey should sue Bozak and Scheff for this unethical practice. Side note - Why shouldn't Carey take WWASP money? Anyone with a logical brain cell in their head would say when faced by an attorney at $200-300/hr. telling you to take the money or receive a court order to give up info - why not save time, hassle, and make a little dough?
Here were the options -
1. destroy evidence (uh oh)
2. sell out (make money, and get revenge on sue)
3. hold out (no money)
It seems to me that the only ones telling her that she shouldn't have done this are Sue's chronies. Yes, I'm talking about you Colburns. You think your tone and manor about you doesn't give you away.
Back to the scam of PURE :
I wonder how deep it really goes. She could have 10 of these guys who she could kick back a portion of the admit money. As for the thread on Berryman - He was working the msg boards to get business for PURE. He probably needed money because he couldn't get his fat ass out of bed to go to his cushy govt. job. I mean really, what does the man do for a living? Nobody knows! I'll tell you - he takes Sue's money. Berryman, Scheff, Carey (for entertaining all the criticism about her - Carey - just say FUCK YOU! already), Bozak, etc are FUCK0's and Scam Artists (a fine one at that - I mean DAMN $300K!!!!!!!)
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Well, this is one post that belongs in the archives stamped TO BE CONTINUED. I'm curious though Anon, whether you have any comments or opinion on the association of Marie Peart with PURE. The lady once worked for WWASPS as an admissions rep, if I am not mistaken. How is it that she got involved with PURE? Second, Scheff states on her own website that prior to starting her own referral business, she recruited for WWASPS,claiming she was more or less "programmed" (like other parents) into doing so. Personally, I don't know if that is true, or not, but it does raise some red flags in my mind. Referring kids for compensation is no small matter. Shouldn't there be SOME standards and/or qualifications these parents are required to possess besides having sent their own kid away for "treatment"?
What are Scheff's qualifications aside from being a former WWASPS supporter and recruiter? Is she like all the others who claim that because they were once a "desperate parent" themselves, they are some kind of an expert when it comes to helping other desperate parents? Take a look at the TERMS (disclaimer) on the PURE website. It's at the bottom of the homepage. Caveat Emptor!
As for your question about "how deep it goes", apparently that is the $64,000 dollar question.
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And to think these people have the nerve to call themselves PURE. How two-faced can you be?
:wave:
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Well, this sort of fits my best guess on the situation. I've known some of the ISAC ppl (members, officers, supporters... whatever affinity, I'm not going for specificly defined relationship here.) for a long, long time. And I honestly believe they got took for a wild ride, but never had any bad or devious intent. I think the PURE ppl are sincer, too. Just wrong, that's all. And the acronym is perfectly fittin and proper; they're Puratins, whereas I'm a seperatist.
Give me the youth, and Germany will rule the world.
--Hitler
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Ginger, who took ISAC for a ride? If you mean PURE, than why the comment that the PURE ppl are sincere? Sorry, just not understanding your post and am asking for some clarification so I can see your P.O.V. better.
:wink:
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I'm curious though Anon, whether you have any comments or opinion on the association of Marie Peart with PURE. The lady once worked for WWASPS as an admissions rep, if I am not mistaken. How is it that she got involved with PURE?
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Good grief, Ex-Wwaspies in Trekkers and PURE? What a hornet's nest.
GOT RAID?
:rofl:
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what exactly do you mean by this? Why don't you come out from behing your anon tag and start a thread if you have an issue,
otherwise, see RED HERRING.
On 2003-12-18 15:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger, who took ISAC for a ride? If you mean PURE, than why the comment that the PURE ppl are sincere? Sorry, just not understanding your post and am asking for some clarification so I can see your P.O.V. better.
:wink: "
The optimist thinks that this is the best of all possible worlds, and the pessimist knows it.
-- J. Robert Oppenheimer
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I guess what anon was trying to say here Greg, is that how would "sincere" (PURE) ppl "take someone for a ride?" Simple as that...
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I was specifically referring to the "took ISaac for a ride" comment
The college idealists who fill the ranks of the environmental movement seem willing to do absolutely anything to save the biosphere, except take science courses and learn something about it.
--P.J. O'Rourke
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On 2003-12-18 15:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger, who took ISAC for a ride? If you mean PURE, than why the comment that the PURE ppl are sincere? Sorry, just not understanding your post and am asking for some clarification so I can see your P.O.V. better.
:wink: "
I think the PURE ppl took ISAC for a ride. And yet, that doesn't prove to me that they're acting out of bad motives. I say it because I think it true and because I think it explains a whole lot.
So many people seem to be trying to prove bad intentions on the part of others. I don't think the industry is based on a lot of bad intentions. I think it's built on self delusion and the age-old quest for the holy higher purpose.
"Scoundrels are predictable, but you're a man of honor and that frightens me."--Robert Heinlein, Glory Road.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."-- C.S. Lewis.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"--Samuel Johnson
"There ain't no good guys. There ain't no bad guys. There's only you and me and we just disagree"--Billy Dean
What say ye, Mac?
The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.
-- John Adams, (1772)
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On 2003-12-18 20:12:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"I guess what anon was trying to say here Greg, is that how would "sincere" (PURE) ppl "take someone for a ride?" Simple as that...
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Oh, it happens all the time, Frod! Where to begin? Well, ever go to a left leaning sort of protest? I've been to a couple and I love those shindigs. There you'll find a whole lot of people working various agendas with consuming passion and fire. They're sincere, and dedicated. They think they've identified the bad guys who must be defeated and that makes them the good guys without having to think too much. Same holds true for the Dittoheads. They're sure they're right and justified in pursuing practically any means necessary to further their agenda because the other guy is the bad guy and they oppose them. So they must be good.
Somewhere therein lies the truth.
I think the PURE people honestly believe that they're the good guys rescuing kids from the bigger-than-life evil WWASP. The big tip off whas that month or two when anyone who questioned PURE was found guilty of being a WWASP supporter and sentenced to summary flaming. At the same time, the WWASPies really and truely buy into their belief that they're the nobel martyrs, suffering the slings and arrows...
Somewhere therein lies the truth.
But nobody's looking for the truth when you've got a guilty culprit to beat a confession out of.
"Our friends and allies in the Middle East and Europe will soon be subject to forms of intimidation by an Iraqi government bent on dominating the Middle East and its oil reserves,"
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2003-12-19 04:39 ]
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It's cool that you're speaking your piece here, Antigen...but I wasn't really lookin'to jump into this Pure debate here, I just wanted to clarify anon's statement for Greg. Was just being a translator, so to speak...
So let them comment, I've got to get coffee and take a leak...have a nice one.. :smile:
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Ginger....."There ain't no good guys. There ain't no bad guys. There's only you and me and we just disagree"--Billy Dean
BILLY DEAN? Shit ginger, make up your mind!!! First it was Jerry Garcia, then Dave Mason..now Billy Dean?????
There's so much comedy on television. Does that cause comedy in the streets?
-- Dick Cavett
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:lol:
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On 2003-12-19 06:37:00, GregFL wrote:
"Ginger....."There ain't no good guys. There ain't no bad guys. There's only you and me and we just disagree"--Billy Dean
BILLY DEAN? Shit ginger, make up your mind!!! First it was Jerry Garcia, then Dave Mason..now Billy Dean?????
I know, I know. But when I went looking to verify it, well there he was.
http://www.musicsonglyrics.com/B/Billy% ... lyrics.htm (http://www.musicsonglyrics.com/B/Billy%20Dean/Billy%20Dean%20-%20We%20Just%20Disagree%20lyrics.htm)
Who the hell is Billy Dean, anyway????
The worst government is the most moral. One composed of cynics
is often very tolerant and human. But when fanatics are on top,
there is no limit to oppression.
--H.L. Mencken
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Who the hell is Billy Dean, anyway????
My question excactly. The song is older than his picture looks in your link.
When he [Califano] claims that the voters of Arizona and California did not know what they were voting for when they supported the two initiatives, he reminds me of the way Serbia's President Slobodan Milosevic reacted to recent election results in that country.
-- George Soros -- Sunday, February 2 1997; Page C01 The Washington Post
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Ok, well this link attributes it to Jim Krueger.
http://www.billdeyoung.com/dm.htm (http://www.billdeyoung.com/dm.htm)
Maybe we'll get to the bottom of something here today.You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot
easier.
--GW Büsh, Governor of Texas. Governing Magazine, 7/98
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Billy Dean is a country singer/musician from Quincy, FL.
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I still say, and you know better than to bet against me, DAVE MASON!!!!
hold your applause....
Don't let your dogma run out in front of your karma.
--Anonymous
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AWW FUCK! I must slink off in defeat....I found this on Dave mason's website....
Artist: Dave Mason
Buy Dave Mason's CD
We Just Disagree
Dave Mason
# 12 in 1977
Words and Music by Jim Krueger
An individual who should survive his physical death is beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls.
--Albert Einstein
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Nah, nah, na-nah, nahhh!!!! :razz:
I was right and you were wrong. Say, aren't you at work right now? I'm going to call your boss and rat you out for web surfing during working hours! :em: Bigot: One fanatically devoted to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and intolerant of those who differ.
Webster's
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Ginger,
What do you know of Bozak and Scheff are they in cahots together? Is Bozak a certified educatinal consultant? I thought ed cons did not have any payoffs?
Your knowlegde would be appreicated?
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I really don't know anything about them except what's posted here and what little I've seen in other forums and sites.
No one that I know of has denied Bozak's involvement in PURE, even though Carey said it. So I just assume it's probably true. Awhile back, someone was posting here under the name Lee Ann. She seems to know something. Here's a post from her and she does list her email address in her profile.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#25383 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3486&forum=9&start=0#25383)We must create an atmosphere where the crooked cop fears the honest cop, and not the other way around.
Frank Serpico
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Subj: [Trekkers] IECA Conference
Date: 10/12/02 2:14:57 PM Central Daylight Time
From: intrepid-l@fully-baked.org (http://mailto:intrepid-l@fully-baked.org)
To: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2894&forum=9 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2894&forum=9)
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Jheez, 100 kids?
:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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To hell with these programs who pay $1-3k for kids and the indendependent referral agents who act as brokers. This is an evil conspiracy grounded in a near insatiable lust for m.o.n.e.y.
Wake up parents. Adolescence is not a disease. The real sickos are the people profiting from using you and your child to finance their dream homes, cars and family vacations. They are laughing all the way to the bank while your child is "working" some God awful program to help bring the family back together.
:flame:
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Tell that investigative journalist Tim Weiner to start investigating this fraud. It's time to expose the underground network of ed cons and independent referral agents who are making big bucks off the backs of these kids. No kids, no parents to sign their "tuition" checks = NO PROGRAM. It's that simple. These scumbags will have to go get a real job. Something they are truly qualified for. Dialing for dollars as a sales and marketing rep for Roto-Rooter.
::bangin::
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Maybe he has already been tipped off?
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Interesting, Sous Chef saying Bozak is the only ed. con. she would ever trust. What's that, a Freudian slip? Some sort of confession? I don't get it but it seems the Trekkers do, and they ain't talking much these days, which is a real shame, considering there was a time (before they got hijacked) when this group was on the right track.
:roll:
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"Steve Bozak, an IECA member, actually told me personally, I am a more qualified CEP than many of the IECA members! And I know parents think so."
"I think she honestly believes this!"
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Yeah, well SS can believe what she wants. Doesn't mean she is right or any more qualified to place kids than the next person. In fact, the teen-help-industry is chock full of people claiming to be experts when in fact, they have no formal education or specialized training in adolescent behavioral healthcare.
:cry2:
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On 2003-12-20 22:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Jheez, 100 kids?
:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: "
And to think some people would have us all believe Carey is the SCAREY one. Just imagine the trickle-down effect among these 100 kids.
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On 2003-12-21 15:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Steve Bozak, an IECA member, actually told me personally, I am a more qualified CEP than many of the IECA members! And I know parents think so."
"I think she honestly believes this!""
I think they all do! I think Narvin and Ken also buy into their own bullshit 100%. When they tell a bald faced lie, they believe in their hearts that it's a little white lie necessary to protecting their holy higher purpose from the unenlightened.
You know, if Mama Cass Elliot would have shared that damn sandwich
with Karen Carpenter, they would both still be alive today!!!!!!!
--chongo
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Is Deberah an ed consultant?
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On 2003-12-21 15:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Steve Bozak, an IECA member, actually told me personally, I am a more qualified CEP than many of the IECA members! And I know parents think so."
"I think she honestly believes this!""
Uh,I believe one must be a college graduate to be a CEP (certified educational planner). Is this not correct?
:silly:
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On 2003-12-23 05:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2003-12-21 15:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Steve Bozak, an IECA member, actually told me personally, I am a more qualified CEP than many of the IECA members! And I know parents think so."
"I think she honestly believes this!""
Uh,I believe one must be a college graduate to be a CEP (certified educational planner). Is this not correct?
:silly: "
Click Here for CEP standards of certification:
http://aicep.org/becoming.htm (http://aicep.org/becoming.htm)
Next Question: What is Bozak thinking, here?????
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Man, that guy sounds like he has about a 3rd grade education. I think over the weekend, I'll become a certified educational planner. What a crock - that guy needs to find a new "hobby" cause it can't be his career.
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Here is my question...did he ever really go to Dundee? If not then his statements and what he did was totally fraudulent. Sue played a part in all of this. A significant part, and therefore they both should be held accountable.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-23 07:40 ]
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On 2003-12-23 07:38:00, Carey wrote:
"Here is my question...did he ever really go to Dundee? If not then his statements and what he did was totally fraudulent. Sue played a part in all of this. A significant part, and therefore they both should be held accountable.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-23 07:40 ]"
Carey, is there some reason why you are questioning whether the guy "really" went to Dundee?
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Yes, there is. It is called a scam, a scam orchistrated by a group of individuals. People can and should be held accountable for their actions (Bozak, Scheff, Amber Lee, trekkers).
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-24 07:47 ]
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speaking of scam...sold any good emails lately?
the word you are looking for to define you is scum...not scam, deary.
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Anon, selling emails is hardly akin to selling parents on the idea that locking up their kids is the solution to helping families heal.
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
Deal with it.
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On 2003-12-24 00:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
Carey, is there some reason why you are questioning whether the guy "really" went to Dundee? "
That's pretty obvious. To recount, someone asked Carey why she hired Bozak to help her get her kids out of Dundee. She answered by saying that Sue told her that Bozak had been there, knew the way and would be able to help ensure that things went smoothly. That's why she handed over a huge chunk of money to Sue/Bozak (unclear exactly who actually cashed the check) If it turns out that even that was a lie, well that would be fraud.
That would be like me soliciting pay for, oh, I don't know... say professional advice about which schools or programs might be best for your kid when, really, I don't know the kid and have no real expertise about the schools.
To any Straight, Inc., vets who might be reading this, don't you see how this all works? Don't you remember how we were all pretty much convinced that the Program had bestowed upon us this special super-hero "awareness" that enabled us to spot a lie from accross a room full of flapping seaguls on acid? That's what the edcons seem to think. They believe that the seminars and their experience in parent group actually qualifies them to make these determinations for strangers. It's a powertrip w/ a paycheck. Very alluring to some people.
Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily dangerous. Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions.
-- ALAN BARTH, The Loyalty of Free Men, 1951.
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Ginger what info do you have on Deborah and Pure relationship? Deborah seems to avoid the question. Is Pure, Deborah, Berryman all the same?
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I have only the info you do, Anon. Maybe even less.
Deborah might be busy getting ready for Christmas instead of posting here. What a freak, huh? :wink:
There lives more faith, in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds.
Alfred Lord Tennyson
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On 2003-12-24 05:49:00, Carey wrote:
"Yes, there is. It is called a scam, a scam orchistrated by a group of individuals. People can and should be held accountable for their actions (Bozak, Scheff, Amber Lee, trekkers).
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-24 07:47 ]"
Carey, if you were scammed and are able to prove it, then by all means, the scammers should be held accountable. Aren't there any members of this group, the Trekkers, that can appreciate your point of view? Do they not see they were used, too?
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I can prove it. I just don't have the funds to do so. You see, Sue's attorneys are paid for by her "errors and ommission" (could be called something a little different...but it is similar to errors and ommission) insurance. I don't have the funds to pay the legal fees. I wish I did.
I have an idea. Maybe I should set up a legal fund :smile: Anyone willing to donate? :smile:
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Carey or Ginger, have you read the preliminary injunction yet? It's part of the same court record. What does it say?
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I have read it a couple of times. I am still trying to sort it all out. I don't feel like I can give a fair interpretation of the facts, other than to say that it appears that Sue does not know anything about what it means to tell the truth. Alot of it is about her Website and the lies that are found there on. The lies are mostly related to false advertising (selling herself as some kind of expert) and her postings on Lon's site where she posts as many different parents...having conversations with herself talking about many of the WWASP programs. In other words she is posing as parents from the different WWASP schools and carring on conversations as though she were different people...schizo, if you ask me. That is my take on the preliminary injuunction...remember though I am not an attorney.
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Does Ginger have the preliminary injunction added to the other PDF documents? If so, can someone provide the link?
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No, I don't have anything but what's listed there. I'll accept files in gif, jpg, pdf, pcx or other standard format.
Is this Devlin? I've just been reading from
http://mpcourtdocuments.netfirms.com/ (http://mpcourtdocuments.netfirms.com/)
I don't think I have this one listed at Anonanon. Why didn't you tip me off? You know I'll list anything related to the industry except for advertising for the industry.
The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people equally in war and peace. And covers with the shield of it's protection all classes of men at all times and under all circumstances.
--US Supreme Court, Ex Parte Milligan