Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2003, 03:40:00 PM
Post by: Froderik on December 12, 2003, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: Froderik on December 12, 2003, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2003, 03:54:00 PM
I cannot even believe you are an adult.
Post by: Froderik on December 12, 2003, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2003, 05:14:00 PM
::armed::
Post by: Antigen on December 12, 2003, 06:14:00 PM
But, at the same time, why would I want to create the illusion that these folks are any better behaved than they are? If you were a parent considering using PURE to place your kid somewhere and you stumbled accross these forums, would it make you think twice?
Until you've lost your reputation,you never realize what a burden it was or what freedom really is.
MARGARET MITCHELL
Post by: Antigen on December 12, 2003, 06:47:00 PM
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
--Hermann Goering, Luftwaffe commander, sentenced to death at Nuremberg
Post by: GregFL on December 12, 2003, 09:24:00 PM
I would ask those responsible to Please listen, the meaning of this and other sites is being lost to juvenile mudslinging and childish offensive rants.
I for one do not appreciate any of it, especially the impact it is having on new posters and real discussion. It actually sickens me, to tell you the truth, to watch these sites become useless but to a very few using it to act out program type behavior.
Under the benign influence of our republican institutions, and the maintenance of peace with all nations whilst so many of them were engaged in bloody and wasteful wars, the fruits of a just policy were enjoyed in an unrivaled growth of our faculties and resources.
James Madison
Post by: Antigen on December 12, 2003, 10:23:00 PM
http://www.foxglovetheatre.org/season/s ... -notes.htm (http://www.foxglovetheatre.org/season/saving-grace-notes.htm)
People can get their own stories out, without being cut off, censored or otherwise sat down. They sometimes put their heads together with authors, playrights, journalists, lawyers, legislators and other people of influence and actually get up off their dead asses and do something that might actually have an impact on the problem. I think we could do without the group confrontations, too.
Soon as I'm done here, I'm going to take the liberty as administrator of changing the topic of this thread to something more in line with my role in this discussion.
As administrator, I keep the server up and, hopefully, take care of bug fixes and improvements to the software to the satisfaction of all who care about such things. I'm not using admin access to handle this current problem. It's not for me to dictate with authority what you folks want to say to eachother or to the world. That's not my gig as a site admin. I have dominion and responsibility over machines and software, not over you.
I do see the recent flame wars as a problem, though. But it's not a technical problem so I won't approach it with technical solutions. It's been a close call a couple of times lately. And I hate that shit! (bad shit, Don, you know it when you see it :rofl:
In this conversation, I'm not an administrator. In fact, I'm the evil anti-admin, if you think about it. I'm a muck racker! Muck raking has always had a bad rap. It doesn't take a lot of brains, it's just hard, smelly, dirty low pay labour. But it's also the art of turning bullshit to useful, productive soil through the regular introduction of fresh air and sunshine.
Our buddy Frod likes to draw analogies to the industrial methods, which really haven't worked out so well if you look too closely. I prefer a more organic approach. Water what you want to grow.
A good head and good heart are always a formidable combination. But when you add to that a literate tongue or pen, then you have something very special
--Nelson Mandela
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2003, 10:29:00 PM
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He keeps bashing Carey all the while kissing the ass of Public Enemy #1.
Who is Public Enemy #1? If you're talking about YOUR worst enemy, I would hope that you would consider that to be me. You're a fucking asshole, may your car run off the road and off a cliff. All of a sudden I have cohorts. Oh, yeah...this is REAL serious. :rofl: Dry up, asswipe. I'm sure you're a WWASP.
Post by: Froderik on December 12, 2003, 10:31:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on December 12, 2003, 10:50:00 PM
I swear to you, it wasn't me. It wasn't even one other, unless they're a whole lot more net savvy than I thought and trying to put one over on me. And I really, really doubt that in this case.
Locate the blind spot in the culture--the place where the culture isn't looking, because it dare not--because if it were to look there, its previous values would dissolve.
Terence McKenna
Post by: Froderik on December 12, 2003, 10:52:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on December 13, 2003, 07:08:00 PM
In all life one should comfort the afflicted, but verily, also, one should afflict the comfortable, and especially when they are comfortably, contentedly, even happily wrong
--John Kenneth Galbraith
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2003, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2003, 09:21:00 PM
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On 2003-12-12 14:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Froderick is no friend of kids in residential treatment facilities against their will. He is a survivor that has turned on his fellow survivors, many of whom would not have been in a program if not for these scumbag referral agents. He keeps bashing Carey all the while kissing the ass of Public Enemy #1. As for the horrid behavior, that is par for the course with him and his cohorts. Wish they would ALL grow up.
::armed:: "
Personally, I do not know a single survivor of a residential treatment program that ever thanked an ed con or one of these independent program referral agencies for making a living "referring" them or other kids into treatment programs. Second, anyone who apologizes for these profiteers under the pretext that "some kids really do need treatment" should think twice about who really benefits from forcing minors into some money-making treatment program without due-process. Obviously, it's not the children. They are the victims. The target of Public Enemy #1 (profiteering ed cons and program referral agents). Why Frod (the admitted president of the anti-carey-club) thinks it's okay to play both sides of the fence, I do not know. Either you are fighting for the rights of children or the rights of those who profit from locking them up. There is no middle ground.
Hope that clears things up and Frod gets the message that not all his critics are some kind of a flying insect.
:wave:
Post by: Antigen on December 13, 2003, 09:41:00 PM
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On 2003-12-13 17:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So who was it then?"
I suppose if they wanted everyone to know, they wouldn't have posted anon.
You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot
easier.
--GW Büsh, Governor of Texas. Governing Magazine, 7/98
Post by: Froderik on December 13, 2003, 09:44:00 PM
None of this talk really matters anyway. I'm done with all this. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it...good night. :wave:
Post by: Froderik on December 13, 2003, 09:45:00 PM
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I suppose if they wanted everyone to know, they wouldn't have posted anon.
But YOU know who it is, of course...(don't answer, you don't have to answer)
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2003, 10:29:00 PM
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On 2003-12-13 18:44:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"Never claimed to be part of any "cause." Believe it or not, I'm just Joe Schmoe who attempted to get some answers to questions floating around on this board. Anyone with a pulse is familiar with those questions already. Please don't take me for any more than I really am. I'm just a lone wolf, no club, that goes for blood when he smells it.
None of this talk really matters anyway. I'm done with all this. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it...good night. :rofl:
Look, it's okay if you want out of something you now claim you were never in. By now, most people are used to the double-speak (being kind, here) and probably don't care one way or another what you do (or don't do, simultaneously) so you might as well just relax for a spell.
Post by: Froderik on December 13, 2003, 10:42:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on December 13, 2003, 10:47:00 PM
Come the millennium,
month 12,
in the home of greatest power,
the village idiot will come forth to
be acclaimed the leader.
--Nostradamus
Post by: Froderik on December 13, 2003, 10:52:00 PM
(BTW - Posted a response to you on the yahoo board just now.)
Post by: Antigen on December 13, 2003, 11:05:00 PM
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Frod
Dry up, asswipe. I'm sure you're a WWASP.
I was responding to that. You're off. Way off. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a shill for WWASP. Sometimes people disagree with you for other reasons.
Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful.
--Friedrich Nietzsche
Post by: Froderik on December 13, 2003, 11:19:00 PM
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I was responding to that. You're off. Way off.
Well, hell Ginger. Look at the thread. Who would have guessed WHAT you were responding to with that one. Maybe you should use the quote thingy more often, so morons like me don't get confused.. :em:
Post by: Froderik on December 13, 2003, 11:21:00 PM
Post by: Froderik on December 13, 2003, 11:23:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on December 13, 2003, 11:38:00 PM
When a man you like switches from what he said a year ago, or four years ago, he is a broad-minded person who has courage enough to change his mind with changing conditions. When a man you don't like does it, he is a liar who has broken his promise.
-- FRANKLIN P.ADAMS (1861-1960).
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2003, 11:55:00 PM
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Post by: Antigen on December 14, 2003, 12:18:00 AM
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
-- William James
Post by: Antigen on December 14, 2003, 12:19:00 AM
From the bottom of any large organization looking up through the ranks, human greed and stupidity look a lot like a conspiracy.
--S. Gilbert