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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Carey on December 12, 2003, 09:07:00 AM
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Somewhere in another thread I told ya'll I would give WWASP my emails. So why you are now surprised I did, I don't understand. I could have said no and had them subpoened or I could attempt to negotiate with them and have them pay for them. Afterall, I incurred a lot of expense removing my boys from a program that I did not want them in. I chose the later. It was going to cost WWASP one way or another to get them, whether it be incurring legal expenses or paying for the inconvience it caused me. If you have a problem with that...well, its your problem.
When I have more time, I will share with you something else that was uncovered in this depostion. Well briefly let me throw this out there for you. If you found out that your child was in a program that you felt was abusive and if you appealed to the director of that program for help and hit nothing but rock solid walls, as she was not willing to help, only to find out later that this same director who refused to help you at the time they were in the program once again refused to help you to protect your child from further abuse in being sent back to the program by making a statement that could be used in court would not do so, but then was more than willing to help PURE by providing them with a statement, a company that places kids in these risky programs (adults that is, a business, not children who are or who had been subjected to abuse, but adults making money off of this business) would you start to question the motives and the story of that director?
Just and FYI, there is a lot more to that (the director's involvment) which you will be seeing more of in the future. That is not over...she was responsible for the wellbeing of my kids for approximately 5 months of their 7 month stay at Dundee. If she knew about the proported abuse and did not report it...she is just as guilty as those commiting the abuse. She is also responsible for the months after my boys returned home and the fact that they were afraid of being sent back.
Is she hooking up with Sue because she wants to stay in the "teen help" business because she too has the potential for earnings therein? Is it really about abuse with these people or is about something else?
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-12 07:40 ]
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-12 07:44 ]
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omg on an earlier thread you said you contacted them first!!! if you hadnt contacted them and offered they would not have known!!! loser
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How did wwasp know about your emails? Why would they subpeona yours and no one elses? Why won't you tell everyone the truth? You called them, not the other way and offered to sell them? Thats right, honesty is not one of your better qualities. I am not sure what is, I haven't seen any.
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Could they have read it on a public forum just like you did? Think big...don't limit yourself to narrow minded thinking.
Now how about addressing the second paragraph in my original post this morning. Care to comment?
Why were they interested in mine? Probably because they were mostly with PURE and the trekers people. But you really should ask them that question, I can't speak for others like you tend to do.
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It seems odd that WWASP would shell out 12500.00 to someone for something that they could just as well take from them by subpoena. This doesn't follow the lines of reason. Any seasoned legal "experts" out there? :lol:
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Jesus Christ, Carey...could this sentence be any longer or grammatically convoluted??
If you found out that your child was in a program that you felt was abusive and if you appealed to the director of that program and hit nothing but rock solid walls only to find out later that this same person who refused to help you to protect your child from further abused refused to but then was willing to help others who prosper off of this same unregulated industry (adults that is who are not being abused) would you start to question the motives and the story of that director?
Would you mind rephrasing that, please? (And anon, don't even go there, wiseguy...that sentence is a mess, anyone can see that)
[ This Message was edited by: Froderik13 on 2003-12-12 08:56 ]
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From: "Amberly Knight"
>To: "Director"
>Subject: Dundee News Update
>Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:03:52 -0600
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>Dear Parents and Friends,
>
>I have recently been presented with some different options in my life, and
>I
>have made the very difficult decision of leaving Dundee Ranch to pursue
>these other options. I feel very blessed to have had the opportunity to
>meet so many of you and to work with your teens. I want you to know how
>much I love you and support you. I believe in the program because of the
>changes I have seen in so many lives. You are giving them the opportunity
>of the lifetime, and I applaud your courage and commitment to their change.
>
>My co-directors, Joe Atkin and Kenny Wilson, will be assuming my
>responsibilities. Joe has been here since the program opened. Kenny has
>four years of experience with the program in Carolina Springs. I have full
>confidence in their abilities to continue improving things here at Dundee
>Ranch. I will miss you all. Best luck to you now and in the future.
>
>Love,
>Amberly
>Amberly Knight
>Director, Academy at Dundee Ranch
>011-506-428-7000 x 28
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Nice job rephrasing that statement there, Carey... :silly:
And: Do you mind telling us what this letter is supposed to prove, if anything?
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Frog, go back and read the subtitle.
Looks like you have a problem reading short sentences too.
For someone who claims to have no personal involvement in this particular case, you sure seem to take it as though you do.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-12 10:08 ]
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-12 10:10 ]
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Yeah, I read the subtitle. That post answers none of the above questions whatsoever, scatterbrain..
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If it need be explained to you...then you have a bigger delima than I thought.
I am really sorry Frog, but I don't think explaining the situation to you is prudent, afterall you don't have a personal stake in this PURE/WWASP debacle. You are just angry with me for, as you put it, "snitching," remember. So let me give you peace. I am sorry if I offended you with my disclosure of PURE. Hope that helps.
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Quit beating around the bush then, and answer the questions presented above. Please. ::ftard::
[ This Message was edited by: Froderik13 on 2003-12-12 10:28 ]
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That post answers none of the above questions whatsoever, scatterbrain
What above question? If you are talking about the letter, I asked if it were authentic. Are you asking me a question about why I am asking a question. What are you the Riddler?
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I can't believe you are so dumb. I truly pity you.
question
Posted: 2003-12-12 07:35:00
I'll give a hint. It's back in this very same thread. Do you think you can find it?
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I am really trying to help you here. Is this the question you are refering to:
It seems odd that WWASP would shell out 12500.00 to someone for something that they could just as well take from them by subpoena. This doesn't follow the lines of reason. Any seasoned legal "experts" out there?
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She'll probably never answer the question...don't hold your breath... :evil:
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That would be a good start..and then if you could rephrase that run-on sentence, that is what I was referring to.
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Back later, breaktime.
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First, your question was addressed to a "legal expert" which I am not. That is why I did not answer it. And, I still won't as I am not a lawyer.
As far as the other "long sentence" that is hard for you to follow...I suggest you read it slowly. Maybe that will help. If you still don't get...then just move on.
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I read it, it makes no sense... :???:
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So if WWASP saw the emails on a public forum why would they need you to supply the addresses? Maybe if you got off your behind, the blood flow would return to your brain.
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So if WWASP saw the emails on a public forum why would they need you (Carey) to supply the addresses?
A very good question anon. That's what I would like to know...that, and why did they (WWASP) shell out money for something they could just come in and take? That whore (Carey) is sooooo full of shit it isn't even close to funny. :skull:
[ This Message was edited by: Froderik13 on 2003-12-12 11:23 ]
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:lol:
Its not that easy...check for yourself (with an attorney that is).
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I'm not sure whether to cuss you out or not. Go on...
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Because they can't just come in and take it, that is why.
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Ok, makes sense to me. So you agree that that whore Carey is as guilty as Judas, then?
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You see this is my point. If WWASP saw the e-mails on a public forum, why would they just contact Cary? Wouldn't WWASP have contacted other people who's e-mail addresses were accessable just like Cary's? If it smells like crap and looks like crap, IT'S CRAP!!!
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Here's the problem, Ginger. What did they pay her for, then? They paid her for something, and I know DAMN well it wasn't SEX.. :lol:
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No, WWASP or anyone else might easily find out that the emails existed by reading public forums, just like you did. Apparently, they paid her for saving them the trouble and expense of subpeonaing a bunch of people to get the data.
America when will you be angelic
When will you take off your clothes....
America after all it is you and I who are perfect
Not the next world.
--Allen Ginsberg
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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A word to the wise:
Stick to the facts, what's in the court record. Read the details about the preliminary injunction denied/granted in part against PURE. It is quite interesting. Second, this guy Froderick, let him rant and rave all he wants until he chokes on his own disgusting, vile thoughts and opinions. He (and his alter egos) are clearly pathological.
:wink:
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On 2003-12-12 18:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
He (and his alter egos) are clearly pathological.
Oh, I don't think he's pathological. And there are more than one in his camp. I think he's so fucking pissed off right now he's not thinking clearly at all. He's found a target and he's seeing red, not seeing the target clearly at all or closely examinging the people who's battle he's fighting.
"If only there were evil people somewhere, insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"--Alexandr Solzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago
"Speak gently! 't is a little thing Dropp'd in the heart's deep well; The good, the joy, that it may bring Eternity shall tell."
-- G. W. Langford: Speak gently.How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate, they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to.
George Orwell, 1984
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So she sold out then, right Ginger? That's essentially what you just said. Fuck this.
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until he chokes on his own disgusting, vile thoughts and opinions
Ah, drown in a pool of your own piss, you butthead. I guess you're a psych major or something. Can dish it out, but you can't take it, eh?
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On 2003-12-12 19:42:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"So she sold out then, right Ginger? That's essentially what you just said. Fuck this."
No, asshole, I just said I don't think you're pathological. Want to argue with that now :question:
Slow down. Pay attention
You're going too fast.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
--John Adams
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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This might be of some interest. It came from an eye witness at the
deposition.
"Carey got paid $12,500.00 from WWASP for her emails!!!!!! She claims
they
paid her that for the 2 weeks she was without a computer.
She contacted Ken Kay and told him she has emails that could help him."
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No, asshole, I just said I don't think you're pathological. Want to argue with that now
Slow down. Pay attention
You're going too fast.
Get off the pipe. That response was to the post prior to the one in which you defended my psychological state. (Thank you, BTW) Go back and look at it, and my response will make sense. I figured you'd get it by the context. Asshole, huh? Sheeesh. Get off the pipe. Don't ever tell me to slow down, or to pay attention.
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Nevermind
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On 2003-12-12 19:57:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"This might be of some interest. It came from an eye witness at the
deposition.
"Carey got paid $12,500.00 from WWASP for her emails!!!!!! She claims
they
paid her that for the 2 weeks she was without a computer.
She contacted Ken Kay and told him she has emails that could help him."
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I'll wait for the official transcript or video, thanks. There's only one eyewitness other than the lawyers, and she has a vested interest. When a well-packaged web of lies
has been sold gradually to the masses
over generations, the truth will seem
utterly preposterous and its speaker
a raving lunatic.
--Dresden James
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On 2003-12-12 20:01:00, Froderik13 wrote:
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Get off the pipe. "
God, I wish I had something to smoke right about now!All penalties for drug users should be dropped...Making drug abuse a crime is useless and even dangerous...Every year we seize more and more drugs but the quantity available still increases...Police are losing the drug battle worldwide.
--Raymond Kendall ~ Secretary General of Interpol 1994
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Come to think of it, and to be honest, so do I. Hey wait a minute...I do! I'll blow some your way... :lol:
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On 2003-12-12 11:22:00, Froderik13 wrote:
" So if WWASP saw the emails on a public forum why would they need you (Carey) to supply the addresses?
A very good question anon. That's what I would like to know...that, and why did they (WWASP) shell out money for something they could just come in and take? That whore (Carey) is sooooo full of shit it isn't even close to funny. :skull:
[ This Message was edited by: Froderik13 on 2003-12-12 11:23 ]"
Froderick, don't think you can legally call somebody a whore unless they really are one, which to the best of my knowledge, Carey is not. This was some kind of a financial transaction that involved a computer hard drive, was it not? That is waaaaay different than what you are suggesting here in your post.
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On 2003-12-12 13:08:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"Ok, makes sense to me. So you agree that that whore Carey is as guilty as Judas, then?"
Froderick, that's twice you refer to Carey as a whore.
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Well, I reckon I was speakin' *figuratively* there, anon...what the fuck do you care?
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Well, pussy-faced anon?
I'm talkin' to you, bitch.. :lol:
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Froderick, don't think you can legally call somebody a whore unless they really are one, which to the best of my knowledge, Carey is not. This was some kind of a financial transaction that involved a computer hard drive, was it not? That is waaaaay different than what you are suggesting here in your post."
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A distinction without a difference. In the case under discussion, one party pays the money, while a different group gets f*k*d.
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Excerpt: Libel and Slander
In all civil actions for slander and libel the falsity of the injurious statements is an essential element, so that the defendant is always entitled to justify his statements by their truth; but when the statements are in themselves defamatory, their falsity is presumed, and the burden of proving their truth is laid upon the defendant.
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