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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 11, 2003, 05:03:00 PM
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"Cayohuesto, Maybe. But she hasnt posted much since i got here for me to tell for sure.
But BGJ? He's sunk as low as nazi. "
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You have only one friend black gay jew,actaully I'm wrong, you have 6 friends.Cayo, and your 5 fingers.
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Err, sorry.. i dont understand what this is about.. or your post in general.. or why you couldnt reply in the thread you quoted?
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Thats ok Bellis, it happenes to all of us sometimes, and sometimes people are just born with it."BEING STUPID"
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I'm all for free speach, i dont care that you said it.. i dare say he'll be here to defend himself by tomorrow i just want to know what a fraction of my post has to do with him having no friends?
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Black jew said he had alot of friends at this board, I was just pointing one out that was obviously not.
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Who said i'm not his friend? I'm all for shutting up nazi. I just think he could be.. classier about it :smile: *point at sig*
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Hopefully, our mutual goal is realized.
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You want to shut up Nazi for what reason's?Because he made racial slurs over here?Oh NOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!! perhaps you should ask your mommy or daddy to enforce and execute parental controls on your internet connections so you wont come across any racial slurs? It's better with the buttefly.
so what have we here, a 13 year old girl hanging out at an adult site?What the hell do you expect child?Maybe if you spent more time playing with your Dollies and Betty Crocker pretend-to-bake oven you wouldn't have to worry about what Nazi says on an adult website.
Welcome to Adultville Bellis...
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Lol, oh my! my virgin fucking eyes! i think i'm going to dieee someone get me a confession box!
No, seriously. I dont care about the profanity, or racial slurs, i just believe they could be put to better use.. like... against people that are NOT on his side? there's an idea. Or.. or.. how about.. he just not use them at all, and not make everyone against elan look like incompetant, possibly schitzophrenic idiots out for revenge?
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ya know, that's not even the fucking point. A lot of people who are now pissed at Nazi actually AGREE with quite a few of his posts that aren't filled with childish, stupid shit. Yeah, I don't like the fact that he is a racist but I really could give a shit except that it makes the REST of the people that are trying to do some good look like idiots. I agree with most of Nazi's positions on treatment centers, but I DO NOT want to be lumped in with an ass like him. It discredits what people ARE trying to do which is SHUT ALL THESE PLACES DOWN. When others come on here and see his posts that are just plain stupid or purposely inflammatory they may just assume that we're ALL like that because he has taken up SO MUCH TIME AND SPACE HERE to behave like a child.
I'll always agree with how he feels about Elan etc. but the guy is a fucking idiot who obviously has some deep insecurities to deal with. There is a difference in calling a guy on his bragging and racism, and posting shit like...cayohueso or Antigen or whoever is a crackwhore who eats poop...or I have big muscles and I'll beat your ass. I mean, really....grow up.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The people who ran straight had the best of intentions. I hope they reached their destination.
James Lloyd
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Maybe Nazi does post som insane stuff, but doe it ever occur to you that his post's may be doing some good?
Check this out, what if you were a parent and you were interested in sending your kid to elan?So you do some research on the web and come across this site, you happen to notice all the crap written about the staff and you question yourself, did this really happen?
I don't wanna know if it did happen, I'm not sending my kid to elan.
See there you go, a possible client for elan has decided not to send their kid there, thanks to Nazi's post's about the staff.Now it is possible that it could start a crippling effect on elan and then elan would go underm no students = no money. No money = no elan.It would have to shut down.They would have no choice.
So you see Nazi's posts ludicris as they are could have a crippling effect on elan.And from what I have read Nazi didn't start any problems with people here, it was the people getting all upset over what he posted about certain staff members.If you ask me, Nazi is the leader in having the place shut down, he was insulting all the staff until some of you came in here and stood up for the staff and complained about what he posted.Think about it?
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Sorry, not buying it. A new person who reads his posts is going to assume his an idiot and not give any weight to what he is saying. If, however, they came onto this site and saw people posting about their EXPERIENCES there and left out the racist crap THAT would lend more credibility than so and so eats poop, I mean how fucking many times does he have to say it...same damn thing with the muscles...how many fucking times do we need to here how many inches different parts of his anatomy are???? I don't give a shit if he DOES have big muscles. Is he really that pathetic that he feels the need to post that God knows how many times?? Like I said...I don't LIKE the fact that he's a racist, but it's really no one else's business unless he MAKES it theirs by discrediting the valuable things the he and others have to say about Elan.
Peace and abstinence from European interferences are our objects, and so will continue while the present order of things in America remain uninterrupted.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Now take into consideration that parents seriously considering putting their children in any program, will of course be in contact with staff at said program. And staff would be more than happy to point out that nazi says the same kind of shit about everyone, even thoes with his views on elan. They will have no problem portraying Nazi as some lunatic who doesnt know what he's saying, and talk the parent into admitting their children.
It would do a world of good if nazi could keep himself under controll, and express himself in a mature fashion. Describing the abuse that went on, naming the people who administered the abuse, and had civil conversations with people who had a different view of what happened.
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I only seen him post that once about how big his muscles are, you are making it look like he post's it a million times.Eating poop, that was some of his content he wrote about certain staff.It looks like to me, you support elan's staff, he made those comments towards the staff and if it bothers you that much then you must be a fan of the staff.
Only other time I saw him say eating poop was to students that took offensive to him insulting the staff, then he used that eating poop thing on them.You don't get the point.
The people that got on Nazi's case are the ones that took offensive to his insulting stories about the elan staff, read all of his posts'You will find people joining in like peter moore saying he loves marc rosenberg and its wrong.
I read all of his post's, and they were very funny and entertaining, some people out there didnt find it entertaining and they got angry over it, why they got wngry over it? Becuase they are elan supporters.
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And another thing, this whole entire concept of wanting to shut elan down has nothing to do with this site.Yeah there might be a handful of people here that want to do it, but this site will not help in the aide of shutting it down, a lawyer and a court room are the tools you need not this site.
This site is just a place where people can vent, thats all it was designed for and thats all it will ever do.So what ever is said in here will not help nor interfear with shutting down elan.Only a lawyer can help you with that.
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NO....I can't believe how narrow minded you are. I'm not offended that he said that about the staff...it bothers me that he is discrediting HIMSELF AND OTHERS. He makes himself look stupid when he DOES have some good points and valuable opinions. I want people to BELIEVE him when he says what the staff there did...if he posts that kind of idiocy, little or no weight will be given to his posts. THAT is the shame.
DAMN :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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You still don't get the point.he is not posting her to give his stories weight, he is letting off steam or entertaining us.Iim sure he couls care less whether or not his post have any wieght to them.and if that is why you cam e here you are in the wrong place,This site is for the discussion of elan and whatever else.You actually think that this or any other anti elan site would be admissable in court?
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No, of course it would never make it into court...that's not even what I was talking about. I DO get the point. I guess maybe I feel like he SHOULD care about whether or not people take seriously what he posts...I have A LOT to say about the program I was in...I want to shut every one of those fuckers down. I don't want one more parent to put their kid in any of them so, I DO care if those people believe the things I say about "the programs". I WANT to be taken seriously when it comes to an issue that I feel this passionately about. At first it seemed that Nazi cared about what was still going on there, but he's not helping if people are discounting what he says about Elan because he's an idiot. The pro-Elan people come on here and see all the backbiting and racial slurs or WHATEVER ELSE IT IS...(the poop eating was an example, no he didn't use that exact phrase every time but pretty close) and they've got to eat it up. It just gives them ammunition to say that we're a bunch of idiot psychopaths.
Last time explaining it...if you don't get it yet, you never will.If it is believed that... elementary schools will be better managed by the governor and council, the commissioners of the literary fund or any other general authority of the government than by the parents within each ward, it is a belief against all experience.
Thomas Jefferson
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Antigen...where's that quote you put up about being able to entertain and idea without adopting it???? Seems appropriate here and I couldn't find it. :wave:
We swore never to be silent whenever human beings
endure suffering and humiliation. We must always
take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never
the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never
the tormented.
--Elie Weisel
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I think you're mistaken, Anon. I don't think everyone who took offense at some of Nazi's posts were defending Elan or their staff. I think some people just get very offended over racial slurs and other obnoxious behavior.
Maybe Nazi's just venting. Maybe he's just trying to draw a crowd. It's working, too. Everyone loves a brawl and certainly a lot of people have dropped by just to see if it could possibly be as bad as it is. That's cool with me. I understand the pro Elan ppl are all a chatter with talk about how crazy and unbalanced the Fornits are. Any publicity is good pulicity, as they say.
Bellis, my dear, don't bother trying to shut anybody up. The rules of this forum make that pretty nearly impossible. That's intentional. Everyone and anyone has all the freedom in the world to make a compelling argument and to win people over through persuasion and reason. But you have every right to fail, too. This is a far different culture from the European forums you usually hang out in.
On the other hand, though, I think all this is really directed at the wrong audience. Ppl who buy in; hook, line and sinker; to the Program philosophy are never, ever going to admit or even comprehend the psyche violence they do to others. They view it as heroic intervention; like risky, but life saving surgery. You won't influence their thinking by assault or by giving them a dose of their own medicine. You're only feeding their delusions of martyrdome, in my humble opinion.
You might influence other people, though, if you'd quit kidding around and tell them the real reasons why you're so pissed off at these people.
I don't really buy into the idea that lawyers and lawsuites are the only effective tools for shutting down this sick industry. I don't even think the lawsuites are the most effective tool we've got. Freedom of speech is really not just about some quaint, artsy fartsy notion of tolerance. It's one of the base tenets of American culture. This goes back to pre American revolution days, when a dozen jurors refused to convict Wm. Penn the younger for preaching in the street, despite having been starved and tormented by the judge in ways that make Elan or Straight or Tranquility Bay look like the Four Seasons.
"Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate to choose the later"--T.J.
I think he was onto something there.
Don't let your dogma run out in front of your karma.
--Anonymous
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"We swore never to be silent whenever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.
--Elie Weisel"
I don't know you, but I like you
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"No, of course it would never make it into court...that's not even what I was talking about. I DO get the point. I guess maybe I feel like he SHOULD care about whether or not people take seriously what he posts..."
If you honestly beleive his posts then you must be the most gullable person I've ever known.Claire having "Johns" come to the school to fuck her? Marty having sex with a teacher and cats in the school house? like that actaully happened? All of Nazi's post are for entertainment, they are all not true, at least the ones that seem too outrageous.
You must be an idiot to beleive everything Nazi posted.
I find his posts' entertaining and a good read, nothing more.Nazi has brought this website to life and I enjoyed all of his post's,with the exception of the people that spoke out against him because they support the satff and took offensive to it, Nazi told them where to shove it.
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I see my screen name is showing up now, all the annoymous posts that were conversational with you cayo are from me, just to let you know.
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I can't believe I even have to say this...OF COURSE I don't REALLY believe those posts...just like I don't believe most of the other shit that he says, namely all the bragging...it just makes him look like an idiot and makes him lose credibility with people who are NEW HERE or a parent who checks it out once or twice. I don't have a problem with anyone seeing that we all disagree and fight, but HOW you do it says quite a bit about who you are.
In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
--Martin Luther King
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On 2003-12-11 15:45:00, cayohueso wrote:
"Antigen...where's that quote you put up about being able to entertain and idea without adopting it???? Seems appropriate here and I couldn't find it. :wave:
Oh, you can search the quotes database here http://fornits.com/quotes.php?form (http://fornits.com/quotes.php?form) You can do some other cool stuff with it, too. http://fornits.com/quotes.php?help (http://fornits.com/quotes.php?help)It takes a village idiot to believe that a family needs instruction from the government to raise a child.
-- Anonymous homeschooler
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I'm only on page one of this thread (god, this shit just never ends, does it?) and just wanted to share one thought: It would seem that sometimes we want to take ourselves a little too seriously, you know cayo? I like a good laugh now and then...what's all this about Nazi detracting from the cause, I mean YAWN...we take things a bit too seriously for our own good...I might have to jump off here in a minute...
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would do a world of good if nazi could keep himself under controll, and express himself in a mature fashion. Describing the abuse that went on, naming the people who administered the abuse, and had civil conversations with people who had a different view of what happened
I don't care anymore...this is so played out..
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You still don't get the point.he is not posting her to give his stories weight, he is letting off steam or entertaining us.Iim sure he couls care less whether or not his post have any wieght to them.and if that is why you cam e here you are in the wrong place,This site is for the discussion of elan and whatever else.You actually think that this or any other anti elan site would be admissable in court?
Very well said, anon..
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On 2003-12-11 16:00:00, cayohueso wrote:
"I can't believe I even have to say this...OF COURSE I don't REALLY believe those posts...just like I don't believe most of the other shit that he says, namely all the bragging...it just makes him look like an idiot and makes him lose credibility with people who are NEW HERE or a parent who checks it out once or twice.
As far as his bragging about his size I have seen him on his webcam and he is a big dude.I'm sure he's bragging and he definatly looks like he can back everything he says.Not only does he brag but he has shown himself on his webcam.Some people can brag, that is if they can back what they are bragging about.When I first saw him on his webcam he looked like a professional wrestler.Most people that brag on the computer in chat rooma or message boards about themself's are usually skinny little nerdy looking geeks, well that isn't the case with Nazi, its the total opposite.I think Nazi is a really cool guy, I get along with him real well.
The people that oppose him are scared of him, like this black gay jew idiot, that guy could never back his words, he is a keyboard warrior thats all he'll ever be.
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Believe me Sweetie...I ain't scared of him.
:eek: :eek: For something that has spread with all the forethought of kudzu, the Internet isn't half bad."
-- Newsweek, 2/27/95