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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Oscar on April 06, 2011, 03:55:31 PM
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So the parents took their child to a residential treatment center only to learn that there was a law in their state protecting basic human rights.
Very funny: They are on their way (http://http://www.conductdisorders.com/forum/f6/they-their-way-39582/)
They had a girl with a diagnose they just didn't like, but the child did connect to the counselor and everybody who knows something about therapy knows that connecting is almost more important than whatever label which is put on the patient.
The girl did apply for jobs and had plans which could have been better with some guidance instead of condemnation. It is waste of money and time to use a RTC in such a case.
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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Oh my God that thread is an awesome read. I haven't seen that much individual pwnage since the Gausses got theirs. Shit like this is why I keep coming back here.
the anti-treatment community has conquered the Internet.
:rocker:
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Lol, fun read.. I can't believe /b/ hasn't raided that retarded forum right off the internet yet.
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What a vindictive bitch. Now she's looking for somewhere else to throw her daughter away.
A dozen Internets to the first one to get some dox.
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I'll personally top that 20 internets with a authentic copy of Chairman Mao's autograghed copy of his Little Red Book. Fresh off the press, never been read.
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I want to know what idiot decided that minors should have the right to consent to treatment or not instead of the parents. Then I vote we send ALL of our gfgs to that person or group of people for the summer. See if they change their mind about that consent - if they don't then they can KEEP the gfgs!!!
Somebody tell these fuckers that they have a deal.
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Here's an article or blog entry that was linked to by a post (http://http://www.conductdisorders.com/forum/f6/they-their-way-39582/index5.html#post418278) in that thread which raises some problematic issues. Not surprisingly, this comes out of Washington state, which has "an age-of-consent law that allows people over the age of 13 to refuse mental health treatment" (providing that they're not suicidal).
Of course, it does beg the question of who determines whether or not a teen is considered to be "mentally unstable," and what kind of criteria are considered to be proof...
Emphasis as per the original:
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The Capitol Record
When mentally unstable teens refuse treatment, should parents have a say? (http://http://www.tvw.org/capitolrecord/index.php/2011/03/when-mentally-unstable-teens-refuse-treatment-should-parents-have-a-say/)
March 17th, 2011 by Lillian Tucker | Filed under Uncategorized.
Willie and Deborah Binion's teenage son, Jordan, committed suicide last October. During the previous six months, his parents had tried to get him help for what appeared to be a mental illness. But they were repeatedly told there was nothing they could do because Jordan was old enough to refuse treatment, which he did.
But there was something they could do: Willie and Deborah could have asked that their son be involuntarily treated. However, they were never told about this option. A bill (http://http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Bill%20Reports/House/5187-S%20HBA%20ELHS%2011.pdf) that was unanimously passed by the Senate earlier this month would work to make sure that this does not happen in the future.
The Binion family's emotional testimony was heard this morning when the House Early Learning & Human Services committee held a public hearing for the proposal.
"We were told by mental health professionals that because of his age...because he was not suicidal, he had control to make decisions over his mental health," said Willie. "Our son's mind took him to a very dark place and he did not return."
"I really miss my son right now," he said. Willie told the committee that what he remembers most about the day that Jordan committed suicide in their family living room, was Deborah holding her dead son. She rocked him, said Willie, and kept saying "Jordan, you didn't have to do this. We were trying to get you help."
Washington has an age-of-consent law that allows people over the age of 13 to refuse mental health treatment, as long as they are not suicidal. Parents can ask for their child to be treated anyway, but facilities don’t have to honor that request. That, some parents and lawmakers say, has led to providers not even telling parents about their right to advocate for help. The bill would reinforce a law that already exists, requiring parents be notified of their options, and impose new penalties if providers fail to do so.
"How can you allow a child, who is 16-years-old make, decisions for himself when he is not mentally well," Deborah said. She understands having a law that allows children to seek mental help, she said. "You can't tie parent's hands when the majority of parents love their sons, their children more than anything."
She said that she couldn't believe that state laws would allow a mentally ill child make decisions for themselves. After Jordan's death, Debora began writing lawmakers. In response to one of her letters she was told that, actually, she and her husband did have the right to ask for parent-initiated treatment. "Honestly it was the second worst day of my life when I learned that. Had I known that, I would have done anything." she said. "But for some reason it is either being blatantly ignored or they are ignorant of it."
Deborah said that the bottom-line is that she wants parents in the future to be told about their options. "We are not alone in this," she said. "It's very interesting how so many people have been through this same exact situation...so many parents are trying to get their child help."
She showed the committee members a piece of paper that was given to them by a hospital that said that parents could not sign their children into treatment against their will.
"We very strongly support the intent of this bill," said Rick Weaver of Washington Comprehensive Mental Health. But he said he is concerned with the proposal's terms of accountability.
Under the bill, failure to tell parents or guardians about the parent-initiated treatment would be considered unprofessional conduct under the Uniform Disciplinary Act.
Seth Dawson of the Washington State Psychiatric Association said that many organizations have an anti-involuntary admittance policy. Because many hospitals do not give involuntary treatment, he said, punishing individual providers for not telling parents about an option that will not be honored by the institution would be wrong. "The duty of providing information should rest with the organization, not the individual employee."
Here is the public hearing and the whole committee meeting.
VIDEO (http://http://www.tvw.org/capitolrecord/index.php/2011/03/when-mentally-unstable-teens-refuse-treatment-should-parents-have-a-say/) (1:07:34) with the descriptive of:
SSB 5097 — JUVENILES W/DEV DISABILITIES · 3/17/11
John L. O'Brien Building, Olympia
To watch this program online visit TVW.org
House Early Learning and Human Services CMTE
Copyright 2008. The Capitol Record.