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Gordon will enroll as a student at the Hyde School in Bath starting Monday, and intends to attend his senior year of high school there before going to college.[/list][/size]
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Bangor Daily News
Disappointment expressed about closure of Elan School (http://http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/03/30/news/lewiston-auburn/disappointment-expressed-about-closure-of-elan-school/?ref#)
By Judith Meyer, Sun Journal
Posted March 30, 2011, at 9:24 p.m.
Mitchell and Zach Gordon of Toronto used to be reckless, troubled youths. Mitchell was headed for jail and Zach was struggling in school.
Their parents, Ken and Sandy Gordon, enrolled Mitchell at the Elan School in 2009 on the recommendation of a friend, and enrolled Zach at the Poland campus last year.
Zach said he didn't really want to go to Elan, "but I didn't want to get kicked out of my family." So he went.
These brothers now are polite high achievers who are looking forward to college.
They say their respective experiences at Elan turned their lives around and they know the Elan School of today is not the school of the 1970s, 1980s or 1990s.
It is not, they say, the school that people are reading about online.
The Gordon brothers left Elan on Saturday, days after owner Sharon Terry of Casco announced the closure because of declining enrollment and financial difficulties brought about by what she called a false Internet campaign that had "the avowed purpose of forcing the school to close."
Former students and staffers responsible for that campaign immediately celebrated the school's closure, but many of the school's students and more recent graduates say the closure is tragic.
Kevin Zeunert, a geologist who lives in Pennsylvania, attended Elan between 1993 and 1995. "Elan seems a long time ago sometimes and, at times, it seems like it was just yesterday," he wrote in an email to the Sun Journal.
Elan was, Zeunert said, "a place to grow up."
"It definitely wasn't evil but, at the same time, its methods were very real and sometimes scary," he said, but in the end, "I know that it helped me."
Sumner Queen, a student at Assumption College in Worcester, Mass., graduated from Elan on Jan. 14.
In trouble with the law when he was 17 years old, he said he was a troublemaker. Elan straightened him out, Queen said, changing him into a serious student and athlete.
"You can't compare a school that opened 40 years ago and what's happening now," he said, praising the current staff for its collective commitment to students. The school is "there to rebuild things," he said, and it works.
Recent graduates in Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, Illinois, Tennessee and California who called the Sun Journal to talk about their experiences echoed Queen's sentiments that the school's structure was rigid, but fair and helpful.
The Gordon brothers have heard all the stories about the Elan of the past, but say that today the private for-profit therapeutic school is a safe place where teens are counseled by their peers to become productive citizens.
"They do the best they can to redirect you," Zach Gordon said. "Everyone holds each other accountable. That's the beauty of it."
Zach, now 17 years old, has been a student at Elan for the past nine months. His 15-year-old brother, Mitchell, has been there for two years.
Both boys are sad the school is closing and angry that former students have used the Internet to spread decades-old stories about long-ago therapeutic practices. The brothers say the stories are false, unfair and not representative of the school's current practices.
"No one really laid a hand on me when I was at Elan," Zach said, or swore at him, but instead used verbal reprimands and group meetings to control behavior.
Mitchell, who went to Elan instead of a Canadian juvenile detention center, said that, "when I first got there, it was really hard adjusting because it's a really structured environment. But, after a while I started succeeding," he said, because of that structure.
The brothers are among dozens of recent and current students and current staff members who say Elan's closure is heartbreaking and that the online campaign to shut down the school is an unfair attack against responsible students and committed staff.
David Waly, a 21-year-old student in the criminal justice program at Southern Maine Community College, remembers the Gordon brothers and takes satisfaction in being one of the older students there who helped both boys mature.
Waly's parents died when he was 10 years old, and "naturally," he said, he had a lot of problems. It wasn't long before he was drinking heavily, self-medicating over the loss of his parents, staying out late and going to parties in Manhattan where he lived.
His older brother was his legal guardian, Waly said, and enrolled him at Elan when Waly become unmanageable.
Waly, who was 13 years old at the time, was forcibly transported to Maine and remembers being very unhappy about that. "At first," he said, "I was spiteful. I was very angry being there because my life for the past 2½ years was drinking every day, going to parties and doing what I wanted."
He tried running away from Elan several times, but soon "realized I couldn't keep running from life, and the path I kept going down was not going to get me anywhere. I would be dead soon."
At Elan, Waly said, he learned to accept and deal with the fact that "life sucks. Adversity sucks, but you've got to get through it and that's what makes you stronger."
He hopes to take those lessons to the streets as a police officer working in Maine drug enforcement, helping kids who may be struggling through some of the problems he faced as a juvenile. He wants to be able to help others as he was helped at Elan.
"It wasn't easy being at Elan," Waly said, "being taken out of your life and put somewhere else. But, we learned to make the best of what we had there." The peer-pressure program created a kind of family support system among students, he said, that was very effective in modifying bad behavior.
Despite these positive stories, those who campaigned for the school's closure are glad the facility is closing.
The tales of treatment at the school during the 1970s were well-documented during the 2002 murder trial of former student Michael Skakel, and the practices of isolating students, screaming sessions called "general meetings" and physically rough treatment have been written about by dozens of former students, including disturbing details of Wayne Kernochan's time at the school between 1978 and 1980 detailed in his e-book, "A Life Gone Awry: My Story of the Elan School."
At the same time the Skakel testimony drew attention to Elan practices, the Maine Department of Education issued its "Basic School Approval Report Pertaining to the Elan School," based on visits to the school in June and July 2002, commending the school community for its commitment to education, athletics and therapy.
The DOE found "no indication that students enrolled at Elan School are placed at risk for their safety or well-being," but did mandate five requirements and made nine recommendations for improvements at the school, including prohibiting the use of wrist and ankle restraints except in extreme situations, and mandatory training for anyone supervising the use of therapeutic restraints. The DOE also required proof that Elan was no longer using the so-called "ring," forcing older, bigger students to box with younger, smaller students as a form of discipline.
It was after this report was filed, and Elan complied with its requirements, that student views about their school experience shifted in a more positive direction.
Kernochan is willing to accept that the school atmosphere changed a decade ago, but he said that doesn't change his experience and the experience of so many others who attended the school before 2002.
Kernochan, a writer who is disabled and living in New York City, said Wednesday that the group campaigning to close Elan for the past nine years will now work to expose similar therapeutic schools, and organize against those schools, too. "Our plan is to close them all down," he said.
Another former student, Sharon McCarthy of Illinois, a distant Skakel cousin, is determined to hold Terry and Elan staff members accountable for her experience when she was there in 1984, including her rape while on a school outing, she said.
Kernochan, McCarthy, Mark Babitz of Chicago and Matt Hoffman of Virginia are the core group behind the anti-Elan Internet campaign, and McCarthy runs the three-year-old Elan Survivors Group. She estimated that there are about 400 members of the support group, with membership growing since the closure was announced as memories surfaced.
McCarthy said she is in the process of seeking legal representation for the group, hoping to hold the school's ownership and administration responsible for the trauma students say they suffered there.
They're not interested in a financial settlement, she said, just validation that what they experienced was real and it was wrong. "We need some respect," she said.
Kernochan said he has mixed emotions about the school's closure because, although he's certain about his own experience, "I have people saying it saved their lives."
He thinks these lives "were saved despite Elan," but he does wonder whether the school's recent years were kinder to students than when he was a student there.
Kinder and better, insists Zach Gordon.
Gordon will enroll as a student at the Hyde School in Bath starting Monday, and intends to attend his senior year of high school there before going to college.
He worries that, without Elan, he'll struggle to maintain structure and manage his time, but he thinks he has developed the skills he needs to take care of himself.
Mitchell Gordon shares some of his brother's worry.
Mitchell estimated he had finished about three-fourths of the Elan program and will now attend a less structured school, but he hopes to keep himself busy with extracurricular activities, including volunteer work and work to keep himself on track to attend college. "I want to go into business or finance, maybe be a doctor or lawyer," Mitchell said.
He is absolutely certain of one thing: "I wouldn't be here without Elan."
From Ken Gordon's perspective as a parent, he said, "It's just so tragic. Many of the staff have been at the school for decades. I view them as people who have really sacrificed and committed their lives to helping kids."
And, now, he said, the school is closing. "They're out of a job and they're leaving an institution that, as far as the world knows, has a tainted reputation."
The Sun Journal has made numerous requests to speak with Terry, without success, but seven members of the Elan faculty sent a letter to the newspaper late Tuesday expressing dismay over the closure.
Spanish-finance teacher Skip Crosby sent the letter on behalf of the faculty, writing that "to a person, the dedicated faculty members that represent decades of employment at the school have never experienced, seen, or heard of any of the vile comments hyped by Elan's anonymous internet detractors whose experience is selective remembrance of events during a very troubled time in their lives."
The letter acknowledged that some students could have had negative experiences over the 40-year history of the school because it specializes in treating "thousands of youth in all stages of abandonment and hateful rebellion."
"We must highlight the fact that the overwhelming majority finished Elan's program of rehabilitation with renewed hope and were by all measures of their future lives, 'success stories,' " according to the faculty's letter.
Years ago, Ken and Sandy Gordon wondered what would become of their boys, but Ken Gordon said, "We now are comfortable that both boys are going to achieve great things well beyond what we expected when they went to Elan."
Gordon believes the school prepared Mitchell and Zach for success and he was sad, he said, "not only for our kids, but for the other kids who are there" and won't be able to graduate from Elan.
The Elan School is set to close Friday, but much of the student body has already left. Only a dozen students were still there Tuesday, with most expected to be gone Thursday.
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Recent graduates in Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, Illinois, Tennessee and California who called the Sun Journal to talk about their experiences echoed Queen's sentiments that the school's structure was rigid, but fair and helpful.
Seriously, how many former students of a given program, school, institution, whatever ... call the friggin' newspaper to talk about their happy experiences when it is announced, with very little lead time, I might add, that the place will close?
I betcha most folk already past that loop in their lives wouldn't even hear about this 'till it was already a done deal... unless they were contacted.
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Ursus when was the last time you were on facebook. Elan students within minutes of hearing the news open up at least a half a dozen facebook sites for everything imaginable. The word got out. I don't think Elan Corp. alerted anybody it was already being done.
On the same note they are having a closing party 4/9 in NYC if you are interested on 45th and 3rd (Downtown) 11pm not far from where I used to live. Please make an appearance for me also, give Wayne and the crew my love.
Oh, that's right just before the party on 4/1 you can go to the closing ceremony for Elan in Poland Springs. So whadda say, should be a great week for ya. ::) ::)
also if you had noticed everybody (well maybe not Santa) has had there 5 minutes of fame on the Sun Journal.
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Well, alrighty then!! Thanks for putting it all into perspective, Danny! :D
As far as the celebrations are concerned, I'm afraid I won't be anywhere near NYC or Poland Springs on the dates ya mentioned. But thanks for the invite.
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Ursus when was the last time you were on facebook. Elan students within minutes of hearing the news open up at least a half a dozen facebook sites for everything imaginable. The word got out. I don't think Elan Corp. alerted anybody it was already being done.
On the same note they are having a closing party 4/9 in NYC if you are interested on 45th and 3rd (Downtown) 11pm not far from where I used to live. Please make an appearance for me also, give Wayne and the crew my love.
Oh, that's right just before the party on 4/1 you can go to the closing ceremony for Elan in Poland Springs. So whadda say, should be a great week for ya. ::) ::)
also if you had noticed everybody (well maybe not Santa) has had there 5 minutes of fame on the Sun Journal.
If I were you Bear I wouldn't go anywhere near there. At least not unarmed.
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Wayne give it a rest. Somebody from the University. OK I believe you...... :rofl: .
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Well, alrighty then!! Thanks for putting it all into perspective, Danny! :D
As far as the celebrations are concerned, I'm afraid I won't be anywhere near NYC or Poland Springs on the dates ya mentioned. But thanks for the invite.
Oh...come on. I was really counting on ya to do a stand in for me. Damn!!!!!
Hey!!! Maybe the next one, aye.
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Ursus when was the last time you were on facebook. Elan students within minutes of hearing the news open up at least a half a dozen facebook sites for everything imaginable. The word got out. I don't think Elan Corp. alerted anybody it was already being done.
On the same note they are having a closing party 4/9 in NYC if you are interested on 45th and 3rd (Downtown) 11pm not far from where I used to live. Please make an appearance for me also, give Wayne and the crew my love.
Oh, that's right just before the party on 4/1 you can go to the closing ceremony for Elan in Poland Springs. So whadda say, should be a great week for ya. ::) ::)
also if you had noticed everybody (well maybe not Santa) has had there 5 minutes of fame on the Sun Journal.
::unhappy:: Target practice....do be careful in the big city ::evil::
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Remember, just because Elan's over doesn't mean the viciousness has to be!
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Well Wayne first off you would have had to have gone to Elan to have experienced me. According to your writers blog: http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthr ... ?p=5982031 (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5982031) Absolute Write, you are nothing but the ghost writer for this book. As you said, I didn't have to do anything the Elan people did it for me. They asked me to ghost write the book. I have a audience.
We have come excitingly close to where all this has come from. Happy Trails in CT. You left a littered trail.
Wayne the world could care a less about what you write I had thought the Dr. your ex publisher had explained that to you.
Bye Bye
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Wayne as soon as we are finished you will be done. All folks have to do is go to the site above in the search put your name in and all your posts come up. Your conversations are telling. There is another site you post on where you really get in depth about this charade you have been playing here and on Elan facebook. Hey I am not saying these things, you are. I am just posting the information.
Wayne most folks here know you are full of shit, hence no comments. On facebook your 100,000 hits (on your site) are people (your friends) continuously coming on and off. But if you look real close on your site only a dozen people have responded multiple times.
Buddy come clean, you are full of shit, you never went to Elan and you are a ghost writer who is out of work trying to hawk a story about a 17 year old guy and a 14 year old girl so you can make the rent. Those are your words on your writers site above.
Wayne good luck with finding a credible publisher who can see beyond the shit your throwing at them. Wayne the good Doctor did not lie to you, you lied to him and got busted.
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Wayne as soon as we are finished you will be done. All folks have to do is go to the site above in the search put your name in and all your posts come up. Your conversations are telling. There is another site you post on where you really get in depth about this charade you have been playing here and on Elan facebook. Hey I am not saying these things, you are. I am just posting the information.
Wayne most folks here know you are full of shit, hence no comments. On facebook your 100,000 hits (on your site) are people (your friends) continuously coming on and off. But if you look real close on your site only a dozen people have responded multiple times.
Buddy come clean, you are full of shit, you never went to Elan and you are a ghost writer who is out of work trying to hawk a story about a 17 year old guy and a 14 year old girl so you can make the rent. Those are your words on your writers site above.
Wayne good luck with finding a credible publisher who can see beyond the shit your throwing at them. Wayne the good Doctor did not lie to you, you lied to him and got busted.
http://http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5985759&postcount=28
Danny, are you a writer? Or are you just stalking Wayne across the internet trying to refute what he says in his book? Because quite frankly, this is a site for WRITERS, not flame wars.
Wayne doesn't promote his book here. For one, 'promotion' doesn't really apply to free books. Second, this site isn't about book promotion. Wayne has, however, discussed his book here with his peers in the writing community, and his story was gripping enough to cause many of us to check into the history of Elan School and the charges against it.
Here's the major facts as they apply here to this site:
1--If you're here to refute Wayne's book, you're here under false pretenses. You are a cyber stalker, cluttering up a writer's forum with your own personal agenda.
2--No one here cares about who you are, what your history is, or what you did or did not do at Elan. No one here cares if you remember Wayne or not. His book is about what HE remembers from Elan, not you, and it is not his responsibility to compensate for your lack of memory regarding him.
3--It's not our responsibility to investigate the 'war of words' you're having with Wayne beyond what occurs on this site. And, quite frankly, I find it so utterly, horribly creepy that ANYONE would cyber-stalk a victim of abuse and challenge him to verify that abuse or corroborate it in some way that I can honestly say all you're doing is undermining yourself. This behavior is the behavior of an abuser, not a victim. So all you've accomplished with this at least as far as I'm concerned is to confirm everything that Wayne has said--a confirmation, I might add, that has been already provided by hundreds of other Elan victims across the internet.
I'd suggest that it is in your best interests to stop the stalking and just let it drop, Danny. You're not doing yourself any favors with this behavior. All you're doing, in fact, is making his case for him. I would assume that's not your intent?
Let it go. And leave the Elan controversy on the Elan sites, instead of dragging them onto writers' forums that aren't involved.
Best wishes for your future endeavors.
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Well my point is made Wayne you are half the man I thought you were. Getting Felice (Dethgurl) to paste the one negative comment great move it lends credibility to your lack of rational thought. It also gives us a glimpse of the friends you associate with.
I was not banned or if I was it was overturned because I am still there. Copying away. You really dug yourself a hole my friend. I will let it be known what the other site is.
As far as your publisher the Doctor he was contacted and expressed a tad dismay over you. It seems that you are pathological liar.
Wayne nobody is stalking you you fucking dumbass, YOU ARE BEING INVESTIGATED. No stone will be left unturned.
So please by all means ( I mean this sincerely) go to the authorities, FBI or get Sheriff Andy Williams out of retirement I don't care.
I am dead up your ass in CT. and will be.
Since you want nothing more then attention it does not surprise me that you have done no background work at all. You are a hustler who has been using people most of your life. This is why you are exactly where you are at in your life.
Moving every month, jobless and don't want to work and crying to anyone who will listen how disabled you are. Get a fucking job and for once in your life take on some responsibility instead of sucking off of others.
Mscelina, is a douche bag run of the mill editor, give me a freaking break. You want to meet editors I would be more then happy to introduce you to them. There a dime a dozen, writers are a dime a dozen people like yourself are a dime a dozen.
She puts a plug in for you and all of a sudden she is catapulted to goddess status. Hey!!! I have a CEO from a fortune five hundred company on my phone list I could get him to plug for me. He has known me for 30 years.
Wayne you are a fake most of us know this.
There will be no more posting here Wayne it is all going back to Facebook Site so all the people who go to your site will see this. Also you have me blocked I have people telling me everything you say and I am also watching you on someone else computer you have not blocked.
You will be trash by the time we are done with you, not famous but Friday morning take out trash. You lied Wayne and that was a very bad thing to do.
Once again not stalked but being investigated Wayne, big difference.
We are collecting.
Wayne just for you,
"ghost writer"
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a person who writes one or numerous speeches, books, articles, stories etc., for another person who is named as or presumed to be the author.
Originally Posted by mscelina View Post
Promoting a free read? Oh Wayne--how could you! You're going to profit SO GREATLY by that.
*is soooooooooooo tempted to post in those threads whenever one of those cretins shows up*
Wayne tell this wanna be editor to please quit schlepping it and get her ass over here. We would definitely enjoy her biased and naive opinions. Or is it just better for her to just run her mouth over there were I can not post as Danny. Seems it runs in pairs with your sites. Never let the accused confront you....nooooo.
Celina take your pseudo pumped passion and run it on someone else. You don't even know Wayne aside from blogging with him for christ sake. Yes he has to prove himself when he is making false claims to abuse that never happened. He is not talking in his story about his abuse he is referring to others.
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You should hire better investigators Dan. I live in New York City :D
Wayne you are lying...where you are is simple enough to find out. We do know recently you had moved to CT, now if you are back in NYC good for you. I would imagine dragging your wife around has to be hard on her.
It is also not high on my list where you are for the purpose of stalking you or having any encounter with you it is for the "just in case" you are needed.
All of this will be posted on Facebook. So your viewers can see the foul language you use and your underhanded tactics you used on your writers site. We copied everything that was useful, thanks Wayne.
BTW please come to Colorado this is where I am now. Another contract was signed. I hate not being able to stay in one place for work and flying to and from home. But this economy has
created some very competitive bidding.
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http://http://www.facebook.com/pages/Danny-Bennison/193722393998786?sk=wall
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Wayne as soon as we are finished you will be done. All folks have to do is go to the site above in the search put your name in and all your posts come up. Your conversations are telling. There is another site you post on where you really get in depth about this charade you have been playing here and on Elan facebook. Hey I am not saying these things, you are. I am just posting the information.
Wayne most folks here know you are full of shit, hence no comments. On facebook your 100,000 hits (on your site) are people (your friends) continuously coming on and off. But if you look real close on your site only a dozen people have responded multiple times.
Buddy come clean, you are full of shit, you never went to Elan and you are a ghost writer who is out of work trying to hawk a story about a 17 year old guy and a 14 year old girl so you can make the rent. Those are your words on your writers site above.
Wayne good luck with finding a credible publisher who can see beyond the shit your throwing at them. Wayne the good Doctor did not lie to you, you lied to him and got busted.
http://http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5985759&postcount=28
Danny, are you a writer? Or are you just stalking Wayne across the internet trying to refute what he says in his book? Because quite frankly, this is a site for WRITERS, not flame wars.
Wayne doesn't promote his book here. For one, 'promotion' doesn't really apply to free books. Second, this site isn't about book promotion. Wayne has, however, discussed his book here with his peers in the writing community, and his story was gripping enough to cause many of us to check into the history of Elan School and the charges against it.
Here's the major facts as they apply here to this site:
1--If you're here to refute Wayne's book, you're here under false pretenses. You are a cyber stalker, cluttering up a writer's forum with your own personal agenda.
2--No one here cares about who you are, what your history is, or what you did or did not do at Elan. No one here cares if you remember Wayne or not. His book is about what HE remembers from Elan, not you, and it is not his responsibility to compensate for your lack of memory regarding him.
3--It's not our responsibility to investigate the 'war of words' you're having with Wayne beyond what occurs on this site. And, quite frankly, I find it so utterly, horribly creepy that ANYONE would cyber-stalk a victim of abuse and challenge him to verify that abuse or corroborate it in some way that I can honestly say all you're doing is undermining yourself. This behavior is the behavior of an abuser, not a victim. So all you've accomplished with this at least as far as I'm concerned is to confirm everything that Wayne has said--a confirmation, I might add, that has been already provided by hundreds of other Elan victims across the internet.
I'd suggest that it is in your best interests to stop the stalking and just let it drop, Danny. You're not doing yourself any favors with this behavior. All you're doing, in fact, is making his case for him. I would assume that's not your intent?
Let it go. And leave the Elan controversy on the Elan sites, instead of dragging them onto writers' forums that aren't involved.
Best wishes for your future endeavors.
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Do you know what a ghost writer is Dan? Ya might want to look it up
A secret site I'm on eh? Can you enlighten us as to what it is called?
The good DOCTOR is not my agent anymore stupid and I gave you his name, so stop acting like you found out some information.
As far as Absolute Write you are in violation of federal law for cyber stalking, but keep it up. They love buffoons over there
Danny, you're a hairy ape without the IQ of one. I would love to have a duel of wits with you but I never fight an unarmed opponent :seg2:
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Danny says I'm shamefully whoring this FREE book to get rich :D
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Well my point is made Wayne you are half the man I thought you were. Getting Felice (Dethgurl) to paste the one negative comment great move it lends credibility to your lack of rational thought. It also gives us a glimpse of the friends you associate with.
I was not banned or if I was it was overturned because I am still there. Copying away. You really dug yourself a hole my friend. I will let it be known what the other site is.
As far as your publisher the Doctor he was contacted and expressed a tad dismay over you. It seems that you are pathological liar.
Wayne nobody is stalking you you fucking dumbass, YOU ARE BEING INVESTIGATED. No stone will be left unturned.
So please by all means ( I mean this sincerely) go to the authorities, FBI or get Sheriff Andy Williams out of retirement I don't care.
I am dead up your ass in CT. and will be.
Since you want nothing more then attention it does not surprise me that you have done no background work at all. You are a hustler who has been using people most of your life. This is why you are exactly where you are at in your life.
Moving every month, jobless and don't want to work and crying to anyone who will listen how disabled you are. Get a fucking job and for once in your life take on some responsibility instead of sucking off of others.
Mscelina, is a douche bag run of the mill editor, give me a freaking break. You want to meet editors I would be more then happy to introduce you to them. There a dime a dozen, writers are a dime a dozen people like yourself are a dime a dozen.
She puts a plug in for you and all of a sudden she is catapulted to goddess status. Hey!!! I have a CEO from a fortune five hundred company on my phone list I could get him to plug for me. He has known me for 30 years.
Wayne you are a fake most of us know this.
There will be no more posting here Wayne it is all going back to Facebook Site so all the people who go to your site will see this. Also you have me blocked I have people telling me everything you say and I am also watching you on someone else computer you have not blocked.
You will be trash by the time we are done with you, not famous but Friday morning take out trash. You lied Wayne and that was a very bad thing to do.
Once again not stalked but being investigated Wayne, big difference.
We are collecting.
Wayne just for you,
"ghost writer"
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–noun
a person who writes one or numerous speeches, books, articles, stories etc., for another person who is named as or presumed to be the author.
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You should hire better investigators Dan. I live in New York City :D
Wayne you are lying...where you are is simple enough to find out. We do know recently you had moved to CT, now if you are back in NYC good for you. I would imagine dragging your wife around has to be hard on her.
It is also not high on my list where you are for the purpose of stalking you or having any encounter with you it is for the "just in case" you are needed.
All of this will be posted on Facebook. So your viewers can see the foul language you use and your underhanded tactics you used on your writers site. We copied everything that was useful, thanks Wayne.
BTW please come to Colorado this is where I am now. Another contract was signed. I hate not being able to stay in one place for work and flying to and from home. But this economy has
created some very competitive bidding.
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http://http://www.facebook.com/pages/Danny-Bennison/193722393998786?sk=wall
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Let it out, Danny! Let it all out!
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Comments (http://http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/03/30/news/lewiston-auburn/disappointment-expressed-about-closure-of-elan-school/) left for the above article, "Disappointment expressed about closure of Elan School (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=36883#p399276)" (by Judith Meyer; March 30, 2011; Bangor Daily News):
Harry H Snyder III · Today 08:34 AM
Good riddance. I hope they burn the place and scatter the ashes on Joe Ricci's grave.
Nick Cooper · 03/31/2011 06:54 PM
I was there from 1986-1988. They put the "trouble makers" in the "schoolhouse", which was just a trailer. They put plastic riot-cuffs on 14 year old children for "talking back". When the maximum legal time one could keep a child in restraints would elapse, the Elan staff were told to put a second pair on and clip the first off with wire cutters, thereby meeting the letter of the law while ignoring its meaning. The treatment was experimental at best. It "worked" for the kids who soon discovered that anything could happen to them at this place, so passive obedience was the only way to get out. But few that I know got out unscathed. The place was like a horror film.
Harry H Snyder III · Today 08:41 AM in reply to Nick Cooper
Thank goodness you made it. I spent the 70's and 80's writing about this garbage can, but found in our society few people care about "troubled teenagers."
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scionor · 04/01/2011 06:39 PM
I've read a fair amount about this school online, mainly on forum sites. It seems most people naively accept the horror stories as gospel. That said, it's pretty hard to dismiss them too.
Here's what I don't get: Some rich people spend a lot of cash to send their bratty kids to this place. Some states spend a lot of dough to send incorrigible children there because they have no other alternative. The kids are supposedly molested, abused, starved, imprisoned, etc., etc., and the place stays open for 40 years!? Five years OK, 10 years maybe, but 40 years? That defies all logic. Even if you hate your kid, do you hate your MONEY too?
Common sense and testimonials dictate that not everyone had THAT bad an experience. And that brings me to my next point. While there are people who say the place was a living hell, there are others who say it worked wonders for them. However, curiously, rather than accept that perhaps it DID work for some, that conditions improved, etc., these contributors are written off as shills, apologists, liars, plants, etc., etc. That's quite arrogant.
Finally, I noticed that many negative postings are almost exactly the same, that anonymous entries are cited in other places as if they're fact - ridiculous -, the 'victims' NEVER seem to preface their accounts with the fact that they were really bad kids - which presumably they were - and while everyone cites the incident with Illinois DCFS, they ignore the other state agencies who continually said all was OK. So if you thought the place was tough but it worked, you're a liar and if you had a bad experience, you're telling the entire truth.
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