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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Cleopatra2U on May 05, 2002, 01:08:00 PM
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My name is Mindi. I was in the Springfield, VA Straight from March 1990 - June 1991. Fortunately, I missed out on most of the physical abuse that eventually led to the relocation of that particular Straight from Springfield, VA to Columbia, MD, and later to close altogether. Unfortunately, I did not miss out on the psychological abuse that only helped to lower my already abysmal self-esteem -- a low self-esteem that was not a symptom of my adolescent alcohol and drug abuse, but a cause. Perhaps worst of all, Straight drove me to deliver some physical and psychological abuse to others in desparate attempts to escape the place.
I am now 28 years old. After years of self-medication slowly replaced by ongoing professional therapy for major depression -- a serious mental condition that Straight, among other institutions this "problem child" was consigned to, either overlooked or chose to ignore -- I feel like I am a (relatively) well-adjusted adult. Perhaps this is why I have finally gone in search of other people like me, and hopefully some people I knew -- to see how they are doing, say "I'm sorry" to some, and "Hey, let's get together" to others.
I'm not sure if I will be checking this forum regularly (getting the job done at work and at home doesn't always leave time for the Internet), but I am selecting the option "Notify by email when replies are posted". If you are a Straight survivor -- particularly of the Springfield, VA Straight in the early 1990's -- please feel free to reply to this post. I'd like to hear from you.
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Cleopatra, I was a survivor of Straight Inc. Plymouth MI (April 1990 till November 1990).
I can understand what you are going through with depression because I have that too.. however it wasn't from Straight, I've had it for years now and even before that.
I have been on so much medication and finally found the right one 5 years ago.
However, I CAN blame Straight for being sensitive to the sun, no matter if it's cloudy outside in the daytime I still need to wear sunglasses.
One good thing about my eyesite is that my parifial vision is much better for driving (since watching newcomers and all that).
I know nothing is wrong with my site generally since I was checked out not too long ago and have 18/20 vision, all of my life I've never had to wear glasses.
Anyway, regarding rehab.. I knew I had a drug problem before going in there, but I never aknowledged it until I was there. I haven't used drugs in 12 years (since my intake) and I haven't had a drink in nearly a year.
I don't attend AA meetings, I feel I have a strong enough will to say no and to avoid people who are in the "drug crowd" it isn't for me and my mind doesn't need to get messed up again.
I'm glad you are here Mindi.. if you (or anyone else) want to talk to me sometime.. my Yahoo ID is
miladyjerrico1972@yahoo.com
I use that for the messenger as well as my email.
Take care
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Lady,
Thank you for replying to my posts, on this thread and on the other one.
I too was depressed prior to Straight. It wasn't until after I got sober (with the help of Straight, but more so AA); became an addict again some years after that; and, a few years after I'd starting using again, began replacing self-medication with professional therapy that I was finally diagnosed and began to deal with my depression. I thought something was wrong with me before I sought help, but I was terrified to go to a doctor for a long time because I thought, based on my experiences as a juvenile, that I would be locked up!
After much deliberation, I still can't decide whether Straight was beneficial or detrimental to me overall. I do think it left me with a lot of additional baggage to overcome, in addition to my depression and addictive personality.
I hardly ever turn Yahoo Messenger on, but when I do, I am Cleopatra2U on there too.
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I felt that Straight was helpful to me only for a few things.. one being able to have better parifial vision, two they scared the crap out of me so much during my time spent there that I would never use drugs again, and three.. my parents were more loving than ever after I left.. they were quite verbally and physically abusive to me and my sister before I went in Straight.
More mental and emotional distress was brought on more than anything at Straight only because I witnessed a few cop outs, restraints and also plugging away in group to people who some, never used drugs before.
If anything that this place did physically (that was good) was I saw a lot of my state of Michigan and now know nearly where I am when I travel.
I don't worry about getting lost because I know I've been to nearly every host home from here to nearly Grand Rapids, west, and my parents took me to Mackinaw Island when I was younger and I don't get lost along the way when I travel up north.
I found out that depression is a chemical inbalance that there are certain amount of brain activity that need to be passed from one end to the other. If they are blocked or if none of these "cells" or (I forget the technical term) if they can't be processed, then there is a reaction called "depression" it's considered now a common thing and can be treated with therapy or medication, sometimes both is needed to get the right affect.
I haven't been to therapy in nearly a year, I can't afford it now.. I've been to so many I know what I need to do for myself to get help with depression and the things I need to think about and do in my daily life so I don't need to worry so much and be depressed or even suicidal.
I know as long as I take the medicine I'm on, I should be o.k. :smile:
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Mindi, Im Scott. I was in Straight VA from 7-25-90 for 15 months. I just stumbled upon this site. I have never really talked about my Straight experience with anyone b/c its so hard to explain. I have been trying to unwash my brain for 10 years now. Anyways, it is good to see that there are people that can understand and relate to the experience. Scott@pactskateshop.com
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Hi. Mindy. This is . I was "over age", I stayed at your host home, I still remember your fold out spongy couch thing. I was there 1/27/90-3/91, I ended up on staff for a little while..I was good friends with Hope . Shoot me a note if you get this message.
[ This Message was edited by: Sophie on 2005-09-09 19:44 ][ This Message was edited by: Sophie on 2005-09-09 19:48 ]
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Hi Mindy et al,
My is Reid, I was the first or second 5th phaser in Springfield in '82. I was there before the first lawsuit and even lived in the plaintiff's house. It took me 20 years to get over it, through it, and past it. Life is great now.
ReidMartin@StraightInc.com
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Mindi,
I was there in the early 90's. I just found this site today. I too have been diagnosed with depression after many years of therapy. When I left Straight (escaped) I had to go to a psychologist for a year just to get back into society. I was scared to leave the house for fear I would do something wrong (read, listen to music, etc.). I spent most of my time at the Freeman's house when I was there. I turned 18 while I was there and escaped from a host home in May of 1991 after getting put back on 1st phase. Did you ever go to the Freeman's? Your name sounds familiar. I look forward to hearing from you.
Heather
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Mindi, my name is Roland Miller. I don't remember you but I was in there from 11-89 to 05-90. Mybe you remember me? Tall, skinny, black hair, arms flailing wildly to the pompous comedy stylings of that idiot Mr. Nixon? Keesha Posey I remember you though. What's up dudes? feel free to e-mail me If you want to talk some smack or vent. No offense to any staffers or pro-straight people, but I'm one of those with a negative take on the place. What can you do?
roland@rolandmiller.info
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HEY, BACK IN THE AREA AFTER AN EXTENDED STAY IN SUNNY ARIZONA. GRADUATED FROM5515 BACKLICK BACK IN 87/8. NO CONTACT WITH ANYONE FROM THEN AS MOST OF US WERE GLAD TO GET OUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. JUST THOUGHT I'D SAY HI AND SEE IF ANYONE OUT THERE REMEMBERS ME. ALL THE BEST.
KIP MASON
AIM: KMAS611
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I was in Springfield from 90 - 92.....What is your last name? Back then my name was Shannon Fuhrman....today it is Failor. Kelley Walker was also in the program at that time and her and I stay in close contact. Do you remember either of us?
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Kecia! How cool to come across your name! I just got back from spending the weekend w/Kelley Walker and we chatted about both you and Hope! How have you been? Oh, back then I was Shannon Failor....do you remember me? You were my oc my first night in. Hope to hear from you....
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Heather, what is your last name? This is Shannon Fuhrman....I was in Springfield from 90 - 92....hope to hear from you soon!
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Scott, what is your last name? I was in from 6/90 - 6/92.....Shannon Fuhrman. Do you remember me? Long curly red hair. Spent 13 months on 1st phase looking like shit b/c of it!
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I don't know if you read the straight alumni posts, but your name sounds familiar, probably from there.
I have just discovered all this shit on the net. My husband thinks I am freaked out cause I cannot beleive that there are all these other people, 'survivors', out there.
I just came across this message and felt the need to reply.
i THINK i AM KINDA IN YOUR SHOES NOW...AND BEING A YEAR SINCE YOU WROTE THIS MESSAGE....i WONDER HOW YOU GOT THROUGH THE LAST YEAR. mAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME THROUGH THIS.
i WAS A MISBEHAVER, AND FOR ONLY SEVEN MONTHS...BUT i THINK 7 MONTHS ON THE FLOOR IS ENOUGH....
i LOOKED UP 'STRAIGHT' ON THE INTERNET AND COULDN'T BELEIVE WHAT i FOUND. i AM 29, AND PRETTY FUNCTIONAL...LOL
Anyway, just wondering how you are.....
I was in Springfeild from 8/89 - 3/90?..
Maybe I know you......
Kelly
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Hi Shannon , I definately remember you and Kelly Walker. Shoot me an email when you get a chance at [ This Message was edited by: Sophie on 2005-09-09 19:48 ]
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Kelly? ...Not sure if I know who you are.... I got to Straight Springfield 1-27-90. Feel free to shoot me an email if you would like. [ This Message was edited by: Sophie on 2005-09-09 19:49 ]
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Kelly wrote:
AND BEING A YEAR SINCE YOU WROTE THIS MESSAGE....i WONDER HOW YOU GOT THROUGH THE LAST YEAR. mAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME THROUGH THIS.
Kelly -- By now it's been like a year and a half... I left this board (and others like it) because I was dismayed to find so much anger after so many years... Don't get me wrong, people have the right to feel however they want; but me personally, I don't like to be around the anger. It does help to know that people understand, though, which is why I came here in the first place, and why I'm back after the topic of Straight came up for the first time in a long time in a recent conversation with a co-worker. As is usual when you try to explain Straight to someone who's never been there, this person was staring at me quizzically, as if I had just grown a third nostril. Once again I am feeling the need to be amongst people who understand.
For the past year and half, I've been very busy at work, while still managing to have some semblance of a social life ::birthday::; more recently, I have rediscovered the joy of reading BOOKS ::read::. I find that keeping myself busy, whether it's by being productive at work or by escaping into a good book (or a beer or three :wink:), keeps me from dwelling on past and present negativity like Straight.
Kecia, Shannon, Heather, -- I remember all of you! Wow, I'm SO glad to see your posts on here! I just e-mailed each of you.
Roland -- I'm sorry I don't remember you, but that's probably because I wasn't allowed to look at you, LOL.
Scott -- I'm not sure if I remember you; if I don't, it's probably because of that no looking thing, LOL.
~ Mindi
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Well-behaved women rarely make history.
(I edited this post because it included my e-mail address... I changed my mind about that... Private message me if you don't have my e-mail address and want to reach me.)
~ M
[ This Message was edited by: Cleopatra2U on 2004-02-03 22:14 ]
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I have a friend that was in one of those
"smoke cigs and make out with the chicks down the hall 30 day rehabs"
And he tries to relate to brainwashing etc..
people just dont get it.
And I went through 7 more rehabs and a psych ward after straight...
I just wish I had been a little older so as to better handle the whole experience...
Had straight gotten me when I was 16 or 17...I could have really started major shit and enacted
lots of physical violence upon everyone.Like my 1st night in the program when my oldcomers just started masturbating in front of me. Good god.
(Fair warning any of you guys ever pull it out in front of me and Im gonna beat you senseless)
Sick fucks...I never did that shit to my newcomers. I mean jesus :roll: :roll:
But alas I was the 2nd youngest and scared shitless.
(by the way I was in Richardson/Dallas...but alas Im a post whore so ignore me)
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Disentigrating as it grows, testing our communication
Mention this to me. Mention something. Mention anything, and watch the weather change
[ This Message was edited by: Therion on 2004-02-04 05:12 ]
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On 2004-02-04 05:11:00, Therion wrote:
I went through 7 more rehabs and a psych ward after straight...
I became a "ward of the state" after I finally left Straight for good in 1991... Spent time in jail, a halfway house, a group home, and finally a foster home... All told, including a month-long stint in the juvie drug ward of a Psychiatric Institute before I went to Straight, I spent 28 months of my "formative years" in the juvie "justice"/"rehabilitation" system. And I still can't tell you whether I'm a better (or worse) person because of it. *sigh*
I just wish I had been a little older so as to better handle the whole experience...
I was just shy of 16 when I arrived at Straight. Talk about a way to spend your 16th birthday -- sitting in a shitty plastic chair in a shitty brick warehouse surrounded by a bunch of kids you think are crazy. (I didn't know the terms "cult" and "brainwash" back then, but I do now.) Anyway, I don't think age had much to do with it, at least not for me... It think it has to do with understanding what's going on around you. None of us kids knew what the hell was going on around us. If I had known then what I know today... I would've put up more physical resistance, yes (not as big a deal when you're a 5-foot-ish, 100-pound-ish girl as opposed to most guys, I suppose), but... I would've fucked with people's heads more.
but alas Im a post whore so ignore me)
I liked what you had to say(type), Therion, and hope to hear(read) more of it. So... NO. :razz:
~ Mindi
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I am so confused as usual...I was in from May of 88 til Nov of 89 in Springfield...and I totally didn't know if there was a message directed at me or to another Scott on here. If someone was in when I was or remembers me shoot me a email if ya wish to chat at all or whatever....I virtually lost contact with just about everyone.
Scott Davis
acura5117@yahoo.com
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I agree...but I was barely 13 when I went in..
and that was just too young. When I was 16 or 17 I was a hell of alot tougher than I was at 12 and 13. Shit I was the youngest kid there till Greg P showed up.
But you are right...was crap at any age.Just wish I would have been more of a rebellious teen rather than scared 13 year old.
I cannot believe they even took me. I wasnt in any trouble..I checked myself in for depression.
I have since contacted the lady that came and lied to us about the program. She claimed total ignorance...(yes I tracked her down...shes still here) She worked as recruiter for Straight but didnt know anything about the program and thus recommended it for non drug using non sex having 13 year old that had self esteem/psych issues.
Hope she enjoyed her paycheck that month.
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Scott -- I missed you by a few months. It's unlikely I'd remember you even if we were incarcerated at the same time... I don't remember very many guys... It's hard to remember people you hardly looked at. :???:
Therion -- I knew a girl who was 12 or 13 when she went into Straight. Her graduation, at age 15, was one of the saddest things I've ever seen... She didn't crack a smile the whole time, kept looking back at the girls' side, and even shed some tears because she didn't want to leave! I think it's 'cos Straight was all she knew (totally brainwashed) and she was afraid to leave. :sad: You're right, although Straight was not easy for anyone, it was probably harder for the younger ones.
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Well either way we are alive and well...and that works for me. :wave:
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Hey Kip,
I don't know if you'll get this message, but I'm back in the area too. I did not go through Straight (I was the geek that lived down the street from you) but you've always popped in my mind from time to time, and I've been wondering how you are doing. I've also been wanting to try to get a hold of another friend that was in Straight the same time you were, I think....Maureen M. Do you remember her? I hope your parents still live in your old house and that you'll be home for Thanksgiving or Christmas, because I'd love to see you.
Debbie
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On 2003-08-26 01:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"HEY, BACK IN THE AREA AFTER AN EXTENDED STAY IN SUNNY ARIZONA. GRADUATED FROM5515 BACKLICK BACK IN 87/8. NO CONTACT WITH ANYONE FROM THEN AS MOST OF US WERE GLAD TO GET OUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. JUST THOUGHT I'D SAY HI AND SEE IF ANYONE OUT THERE REMEMBERS ME. ALL THE BEST.
KIP MASON
AIM: KMAS611"
I remember you Kip. Hope you are well. Pm me if you want to know who I am.
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hey reid! remember me? i was the first person to make 5th phase in the virginia building! i knew you in that private school!blue ridge boys school!
lol....glad you're doing ok!...yeah,you're right about the "healing" or lack there of.....it's been 26 years since i entered that place down in st.pete....i was #3 from virginia to go down there in '81!.....that was an experience....it was for all of us!you left the place didn't you?
i was newc's with fred on my 2nd 1st phase! he came in just before or right after i was started over!we were newcomers together right from the start of his "tenure" in there!....stillahippie564!.....oh,i still play music and have long hair too.....you should remember me....hip{again}
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I have a friend that was in one of those
"smoke cigs and make out with the chicks down the hall 30 day rehabs"
And he tries to relate to brainwashing etc..
people just dont get it.
And I went through 7 more rehabs and a psych ward after straight...
man dude...isn't that the f-ing truth? i also have a friend that tries to place himself in the same shoes with all of us! he was in a 30 rehap too!....for all of you guys on here that were there at the end,i was there in the begining of straight virginia! i was #3 of all the people from va to go into straight!{19 1/2 months in st.pete} i came up in the "mayflower group",in 82.....by the time i finally came up,i had already been there too long! i 7 stepped very shortly after we came up to virginia! feb 83....
what i've always wondered,if anyone wants to tell me,is what was it like when the place was on its last legs? i mean,can one of you post "the end"
for me? i'd love to know what straights last days in virginia and maryland were like! when me and the other dinosaurs that were in st.pete and sarasota were in there,we never thought that place was ever going to get yanked! you know?
it was an imperitive doom for us......this is why i'm curious....hippie
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I cannot believe they even took me. I wasnt in any trouble..I checked myself in for depression.
they were a bunch of hard up huckle berries ....
you being that young,should've never been in there! shit i have a daughter that old now....
be glad as shit you weren't in st pete at 13!...good lord!.....that place sucked man.....i'm sorry that you were so young! not like i was an old man either....i was 16 when i went in....believe me it wasn't that much of an edge to be 16-17 in there either...at least not in st.pete!.....i tried to kill myself on my 3rd day in there!...read "why i never tried to split st.pete" posting......that my story.....i wish you luck man!...hippie
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I don't remember very many guys... It's hard to remember people you hardly looked at.
no doubt...no doubt!...thats sad huh?....hippie
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hippie, check this out..
http://fornits.com/coolboard/article-68 ... 385166.htm (http://fornits.com/coolboard/article-683483122385166.htm)
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Kip, i know you as well. pm me if you want. love to hear what you were doing in arizona. still have folks on lazano dr?
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None of these people were in Straight VA. Except maybe Kip. If it's even Kip.
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On 2006-03-01 12:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"None of these people were in Straight VA. Except maybe Kip. If it's even Kip."
Starry-eyed Pirate, $tr8 Survivor and former Drug War P.O.W. Springfield, VA Straight Inc. 3/15/85-2/14/87.
You lie.
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On 2006-03-01 13:02:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
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On 2006-03-01 12:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"None of these people were in Straight VA. Except maybe Kip. If it's even Kip."
Starry-eyed Pirate, $tr8 Survivor and former Drug War P.O.W. Springfield, VA Straight Inc. 3/15/85-2/14/87.
You lie."
Yeah right. Has anyone ever met you? No. Case closed.
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On 2006-03-01 13:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-01 13:02:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
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On 2006-03-01 12:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"None of these people were in Straight VA. Except maybe Kip. If it's even Kip."
Starry-eyed Pirate, $tr8 Survivor and former Drug War P.O.W. Springfield, VA Straight Inc. 3/15/85-2/14/87.
You lie."
Yeah right. Has anyone ever met you? No. Case closed."
There are people who can testify that I was there. If I wanted to prove it I could find a ton of witnesses. There are several people who post here who know me from my time there, and in fact court records from Fairfax county will prove that I was sentenced by the court to complete the program. I spent 2 years of my life in that fucked-up-mind-rape-cult
How would you even know if anyone has ever met me ?? Your assumptions are foolish.
I'm not gonna argue with about this. If your lookin' for a fight look elsewhere. Think what you want but I was there.
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whoever said nobody is who they have said they are is a nobody.
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Oh yeah, why do I always do that. I should remember because it was Friday the 13th!
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pirate, have this kook come to Manasquan
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:lol: ...well I don't think that'll be necessary my friend. Ever't'in cool. I would like to come myself sometime though...My brother lives in Philly. Maybe the next time I'm visitin' him I'll swing out to your place for a few hours. Got any Reconstruction dude ??
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april 18th '81 to feb 27th 83.....stillahippie564
most of my "tenure" started/was in st.pete,but i was from virginia....19 1/2 months later,we went up!i was the third kid to go into that place from virginia....i hardly think anyone would say they where in if they weren't,why do you claim we weren't in virginia?...hippie
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June 25, '82 to JUL, '83. Was there for part of your stay, Hip, and glad to have spent some time with you and the family. Always respected the shit out of your Dad- hell, he scared the shit our of me.
Don't know 2/3's of these Anons, but they really don't have a clue as to how it was when we moved from St. Pete to Springfield. If you wern't there, you wouldn't know and have no basis to talk about it. We lived it, the whole F. Collins incident, M. Riddle, J. Sailor, M.M. and other Staffers.
I think the part of who had it worse, or bad or whatever is relative to the individual. I just don't get why many of them are still living in thier own shit and stuck in the past. Man, that was over 20 years ago and we're in our 40s now. would hope that some have grown up a bit since then...
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thankyou....i think that some of us,well, a lot of us didn't have anything to count on afterwards .....myself included.my mom treated me worse than when i was in there man....all i had was a ged and my sobriety.....tried like hell to go further in my life,but kept getting the short end of a very shitty stick.lol....when i went to boston,i never expected any of the crap that happened up there to happen,but it did! in spite of that,i tried to keep going,but they did whatever they could to get me to screw up and a year or so later i did....shit....its too hard to explain....call me if you want....i found out some shit you won't believe.....hip
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I'm still searching for people who were in Straight Springfield the same time I was (March 1990 - June 1991)... If you were, and especially if you remember me, hit me up... I don't wish to dwell on the past, but rather find out how you're doing now... As for me, I have good days and bad days like most everybody else.
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My name is Mindi. I was in the Springfield, VA Straight from March 1990 - June 1991. Fortunately, I missed out on most of the physical abuse that eventually led to the relocation of that particular Straight from Springfield, VA to Columbia, MD, and later to close altogether. Unfortunately, I did not miss out on the psychological abuse that only helped to lower my already abysmal self-esteem -- a low self-esteem that was not a symptom of my adolescent alcohol and drug abuse, but a cause. Perhaps worst of all, Straight drove me to deliver some physical and psychological abuse to others in desparate attempts to escape the place.
I am now 28 years old. After years of self-medication slowly replaced by ongoing professional therapy for major depression -- a serious mental condition that Straight, among other institutions this "problem child" was consigned to, either overlooked or chose to ignore -- I feel like I am a (relatively) well-adjusted adult. Perhaps this is why I have finally gone in search of other people like me, and hopefully some people I knew -- to see how they are doing, say "I'm sorry" to some, and "Hey, let's get together" to others.
I'm not sure if I will be checking this forum regularly (getting the job done at work and at home doesn't always leave time for the Internet), but I am selecting the option "Notify by email when replies are posted". If you are a Straight survivor -- particularly of the Springfield, VA Straight in the early 1990's -- please feel free to reply to this post. I'd like to hear from you.
I'm Steve , '82-'85
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There weren't any survivors from the Springfield Straight. Fuck off and die.
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Now THAT'S funny...
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mindi,I was in springfield straight between oct 90 to aug 91 my name is joe
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joe this is moe. remember the whole joe-moe thing?
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I don't know if you read the straight alumni posts, but your name sounds familiar, probably from there.
I have just discovered all this shit on the net. My husband thinks I am freaked out cause I cannot beleive that there are all these other people, 'survivors', out there.
I just came across this message and felt the need to reply.
i THINK i AM KINDA IN YOUR SHOES NOW...AND BEING A YEAR SINCE YOU WROTE THIS MESSAGE....i WONDER HOW YOU GOT THROUGH THE LAST YEAR. mAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME THROUGH THIS.
i WAS A MISBEHAVER, AND FOR ONLY SEVEN MONTHS...BUT i THINK 7 MONTHS ON THE FLOOR IS ENOUGH....
i LOOKED UP 'STRAIGHT' ON THE INTERNET AND COULDN'T BELEIVE WHAT i FOUND. i AM 29, AND PRETTY FUNCTIONAL...LOL
Anyway, just wondering how you are.....
I was in Springfeild from 8/89 - 3/90?..
Maybe I know you......
Kelly
I am Steve I waz N that "Prison" from '82-1985
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June 25, '82 to JUL, '83. Was there for part of your stay, Hip, and glad to have spent some time with you and the family. Always respected the shit out of your Dad- hell, he scared the shit our of me.
Don't know 2/3's of these Anons, but they really don't have a clue as to how it was when we moved from St. Pete to Springfield. If you wern't there, you wouldn't know and have no basis to talk about it. We lived it, the whole F. Collins incident, M. Riddle, J. Sailor, M.M. and other Staffers.
I think the part of who had it worse, or bad or whatever is relative to the individual. I just don't get why many of them are still living in thier own shit and stuck in the past. Man, that was over 20 years ago and we're in our 40s now. would hope that some have grown up a bit since then...
Army Sargeant still hitting you in the head?
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Withdraw - 4/86 to 11/86
Hi! <3
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Alicia 85-87
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Nunya ?? - ??
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starry-eyed pirate, Springfield $tr8 survivor and former drug war P.O.W. 85-87.
Fuck $tr8!!!
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Dame,
Haven't talked about this stuff in a while. Yet not a week passes without thinking about it. Had a few beers tonight and out of the blue thought I would search for this stuff. Turned stone cold sober when I read messages about some of the suicides and about our brothers/sisters no longer with us. Very few people I know now know about it, as I keep that part of my life private. Had to do lots of lying on resumes and applications for a while to cover it up, now at 37 its over until someone starts talking about high school. Life is pretty good now, have 2 wonderful kids and a decent job. Nice to talk about it here, cause I sure don't talk about it anywhere else. Kind of like a double secret fraternity.
Vaguely remember Kip, remember an Alicia that ripped my ass for looking at the girls side once. Saw Jim Hudson about 7 years ago and swore I saw Ralph K in an elevator once. Thats it for my contacts. I always wonder when I will run in to someone, that would be really cool to talk about that stuff from 20 years ago. Always remember that DOI 3-26-86
J R Peters