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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 15, 2003, 12:40:00 AM
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In the Ohh Carey post both Colburn's are full of shit when they said they don't work for PURE.
What a surprise!
Look at the whois info on IntrepidNetReporters.com
Go to http://whois.godaddy.com (http://whois.godaddy.com)
Everyone will know the truth. Don't tell us that you didn't know that your info was on there.
How much are Sue's legal bills total?
I'd start saving your pennies!
You can't hide shit on the NET!
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Well, I followed the link and all I can say is I guess the truth really does cut both ways.
:idea:
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Are you really that dumb???
You have to do some work to get the info - Fuck-o!
Go to http://whois.godaddy.com (http://whois.godaddy.com)
Type in intrepidnetreporters.com
Then enter the security code and enter.
Fumble-Fucks
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On 2003-10-14 21:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, I followed the link and all I can say is I guess the truth really does cut both ways.
:scared:
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Folks, there are two law suites (that I know of) under discussion. One is WWASP v PURE (or individuals, I don't know the official case titles here) and it's about PURE defaming WWASP. Allegations of unfair competition at the base of it, as I understand it.
There's an ENTIRELY different case, in which certain people (just can't bring myself to use the term "persons" when talking about folk) affiliated with PURE may be party, but this one has nothing to do with defamation or competition. It's a class action in the works and has to do with fraudulent claims in their recruiting practices and child abuse.
As for the Colburn's, hell! it's right there on PURE's website!
http://www.helpyourteens.com/about_us.html (http://www.helpyourteens.com/about_us.html)
And yet my heart goes out to these folks. Time and time again, I've seen well intended people try and create a kinder, gentler forced thought reform regimine. Time and time again I've seen the same result.
When will you folks just snap out of it and accept that kids don't come with guarantees or warantees and there is no such thing as a magical factory that fixes children. They're your kids! Raise them! Love them! Accept them for who they are! Whether you want to see it or not, they got most of who they are from you.
for nothing can keep it right but their own vigilant and distrustful superintendence.
--Thomas Jefferson
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As usual, someone is allowing their mouths to over load the back sides.
There is not & never will be any proof of either one of us working for PURE. I'll repeat it for those that didn't get it the first time; no we do not work for PURE. Have either of us ever represented PURE, I know for a fact we haven?t. Someone or you have assumed that because my email address is listed on PURE?s website that we work for them. I can honestly tell you, it ain?t so!
That should be simple enough for the average fourth grade mind to comprehend.
As far as the website, okay so I own an informational website? What's the big deal? It's not illegal at all to own a website?
As far as my credibility; it hasn't been in question to my knowledge, here or anywhere else? I haven't misled anyone or lied on this forum or any other forums which I post on.
Carey, quit hiding behind the anon. bag. Again you need to get your facts together before attacking someone's character. You can dig back in what ever you wish & find that neither my wife nor I have ever misled you in any way. As far as any communications with you, I can?t ever recall speaking on the telephone with you. Early on in your venture, I do recall a few emails & asking you to stop attacking an individual that was injured while at a wwasp?s facility. That?s probably the extent of our communications with you. The only other times I have conversed with you has been on fornits. And yes we do have different opinions of each other?I can live with that.
I don?t know what your beef with my wife & I is, but it?s become old news. If you personally don?t like us for some reason or another, so be it. Find something else to worry about, concentrate on helping your twins?we certainly are no threat to you or your family. My primary & only goal from the onset of our son attending a wwasp program was to assist my son. Now, as stated previously, I will speak to anyone who contacts me about my family?s wwasps experience & our first hand knowledge of Casa by the Sea. That is no secret, never has been & never will be. I made wwasps aware of this back in 09/02 when I refused to sign a settlement agreement & receive our money back from wwasps.
If I have made a mistake in your eyes & need to be strung up from the nearest tree to satisfy your accountability standards, so be. Take me to court?my son may have a different opinion though. He?s kind of partial to his father & we both have learned a great deal from this entire experience. Just in case you wanted to know, he is doing great, working for me & waiting on his delayed entry program into the U.S. Navy.
As for Nancy & I we are currently working with Congressmen to introduce bills which will regulate & protect children as well as parents from experiencing the wrath of any behavior modification program out there. May it be wwasps, straights or any other deceptive entity? I surely hope that your family, my family or any other family for that matter is ever exposed to something of this magnitude again in our life times or our children?s. Contrary to what you seek for the truth in your case may not be so in mine. I will continue my family?s quest without your permission nor will your interference hinder our progress. Good luck in the future & May God Bless you!!!
Regards,
Lee
PS. Ginger ...you may want to home school the adults on this forum pertaining to geography. Please point out Tampa & Ft. "L" so others may have a clue! Also, the rr.com ate their lunch.
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She registered that domain within the week that the court order said she can't do anything privately on the internet.
The domain was then transfered un-private to Sue. Then within 24 hrs. into your name.
Wes Fager will tell you Sue owns it. He told me when I emailed him. Why is your name on it?
Sue was also given credit for owning the domain on this forum.
Your credibility has been compromised here - Tell the story straight. Quit your bullshit lies.
Honesty is not a huge request.
p.s. not Carey here.
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Quote*As far as the website, okay so I own an informational website? What's the big deal? It's not illegal at all to own a website?*
Where's the lie?
Maybe you should contact Mr. Fager, again?
I haven't seen any info on this forum that verifys or gives credit to anyone else owning that domain?
Nothing of mine is compromised, as far as I'm concerned anon. You may have some problems with not knowing my life story, go figure, if it bothers you so much. Quit your bull shit accusations!
Honesty is the last thing on this board, please look at your post...it's anonymous. Where's YOUR honesty anon...kind of a double standard maybe?
Get your shit together and come back when you can identify yourself & have factual information pertaining to me.
Regards,
Lee
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There is no dishonesty in remaining anonymous -
If you don't like it - bite me.
Your pride gets in the way of honesty - afraid of looking like a fool??? Already done.
Sue Scheff sent an email from : SLS1262@aol.com
"Hi XXXX,
Wes was kind enough to forward your note to me.
At this time, I am preserving Donna Headrick website and not adding or changing to it. There may be a time that I do, but not right now, it will stay in her memory....
All the best to you,
Sue Scheff
Weston, FL
954-349-XXXX (blocked for obvious reasons)"
Go back to your shop buddy.
You can't just fight with words here - You have to back your stuff up with facts - As I have here.
Who is dishonest? Look in the mirror...
Grow up - we're not at MVHS anymore...
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Explain to me why you folks who are not in the know of what is going on chose to judge, and criticize others.
Let me see if I can fill you in. First, there is a lawsuit. Second, yes Lee does own one of the websites. God Bless him, he took it over so WWASP, who was going after it couldn't get one more site. At least, he put his money, time where his mouth is UNLIKE a large number of you on this board.
Who cares that Lee owns it. He is active in helping out and cares and that is more than I can say for many of you critics out there.
As for those working for PURE. You incredible fools. Has history taught you NOTHING. Yes there are those that share information or talk to PURE. Why? Oh, I don't know perhaps they are mature enough to agree to disagree but have found common ground in stopping the abuse. Maybe the old saying "United We Stand Divided We Fall" should be used here.
You fools that rake others through the coals for making any effort. You are loved by Sembler and WWASP. You speak , yet you are not in the Know of what is going on, yet you are sure you have some right to judge another. Your names are not on the list of donors to ANY organization or cause, your not listed as volunteer for ANYONE. However, you will sit here and judge.
If you all only knew the effort going on behind the scenes by Many, Many people, many organizations. For them perhaps they are not as childish and have figured out that sharing information is far more powerful then tearing each other apart.
Yet on this fornits board all I see is Fools tearing each other apart, the kicker is the criticism usually comes from the very ones that have done little if anything to help prevent these centers from abusing kids.
So you people that have nothing better to do than tear each other apart. Sit back behind your computer and GET OUT OF THE WAY.
Let those with the balls, the courage to take all you throw at them, the wisdom to get beyond differences, the steal commitment get on with saving kids from torture, let them get on with the business of helping because they chose not to waste their time hurting others.
They are the heroes.
God Bless Lee and ALL those that put their actions, time and money where their mouth is.
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On 2003-10-14 23:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There is no dishonesty in remaining anonymous -
If you don't like it - bite me.
Your pride gets in the way of honesty - afraid of looking like a fool??? Already done.
Sue Scheff sent an email from : SLS1262@aol.com
"Hi XXXX,
Wes was kind enough to forward your note to me.
At this time, I am preserving Donna Headrick website and not adding or changing to it. There may be a time that I do, but not right now, it will stay in her memory....
All the best to you,
Sue Scheff
Weston, FL
954-349-XXXX (blocked for obvious reasons)"
Go back to your shop buddy.
You can't just fight with words here - You have to back your stuff up with facts - As I have here.
Who is dishonest? Look in the mirror...
Grow up - we're not at MVHS anymore..."
Anon; I have witnessed NO back up in your accusations?
As far as me not responding anonymously; why should I, I am proud of who I am & what I represent. No need to hide from an Internet forum.
My pride is my family & what we stand tall for! Always have; always will. YOU can't do anything to hurt or harm anything I have ever accomplished in my lifetime. I unlike YOU can face the music!
Where in your supposed email from Sue does it prove that I have been dishonest? False accusations from you or anyone affiliated with you is just that; FALSE.
Grow up you say, I can firmly state I have. As far as finding out where I attended H/S for two years, what's your point? I don't see you mentioning that I spent 2 1/2 years in Africa either? Nor does it mention living in Europe? Please the next time you bring accusations to the table, make them credible!!!
I guess in your eyes I am guilty of owning a website? I have researched the owner ship of websites; not illegal at all in this country.
There is no guilt in my efforts or ownership of any web sites. Let's hear your story, since you are the chosen one in ALL of these efforts to help children. That's what I thought!!! Now please put up or shut up! I'll end with your standing offer...bite ME!
Regards,
Lee
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Lee,
Thank you for explaining yourself so well.
WWASP will be sorry if they mess with you,any of us. We are ready for them.They can never hurt us again.
My child is home safe doing well.
Carey your strategy has backfired.
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On 2003-10-14 21:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"In the Ohh Carey post both Colburn's are full of shit when they said they don't work for PURE.
What a surprise!
Look at the whois info on IntrepidNetReporters.com
Go to http://whois.godaddy.com (http://whois.godaddy.com)
Everyone will know the truth. Don't tell us that you didn't know that your info was on there.
How much are Sue's legal bills total?
I'd start saving your pennies!
You can't hide shit on the NET!
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Sure ya' can! Anonymous domain registration is only $9/yr w/ Godaddy!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: To go to Journal of Applied Polymer Science go to http://www3.interscience.wiley.com (http://www3.interscience.wiley.com) and then journal search and put the journal number and year
-- Journal of Applied Polymer Science Vol. 47, 1984
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Antigen,
Congrats on the anonymous domain claim info...I however, chose NOT to establish this account under any false pretences nor did I wish to hide any ownership of this website. I can say, I?m very proud of the person who created & operated this site for many years prior to her passing. It saddens me to think that her website is endangered to become under wwasps ownership, as was the case with another website that recently expired.
Now what is on the site is not important to people, but the ownership & new owner are in question?
I'll own it until a federal court states otherwise...
Again, the family name is up held in the court of fornits!
Regards,
Lee
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On 2003-10-14 22:59:00, turbinekat wrote:
"As usual, someone is allowing their mouths to over load the back sides.
There is not & never will be any proof of either one of us working for PURE. I'll repeat it for those that didn't get it the first time; no we do not work for PURE.
What, it ain't work if you're not getting paid? Well I'll be switched! I sure wish I'd known that years ago. I'll never do a load of laundry again, since it's not like my job or anything. I married that SOB for his money over 16 years ago and I'm not g'wan NOwhar till I start seein' some!!
Have either of us ever represented PURE, I know for a fact we haven?t. Someone or you have assumed that because my email address is listed on PURE?s website that we work for them. I can honestly tell you, it ain?t so!
On the Oh Carey post, Carey said "Antigen, the Colburn's, Nancy and Lee have the email address of lcolburn@houston.rr.com (http://mailto:lcolburn@houston.rr.com).
They are associated with PURE, they are on their "about us" list."
to which you responded:
"Contrary to your beliefs, I do not nor have I ever worked for PURE. WRONG, again. Is my email address posted on their sight, yes. Does that represent me working for PURE, no."
To which I would respond thusly:
Dude! http://www.thestraights.com/reports/us_involvement.htm (http://www.thestraights.com/reports/us_involvement.htm)
In 1971 the United States Senate's Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights under the directorship of Senator Sam Ervin began an investigation of the US government's role in behavior modification. Ervin's 650 page report was published in November 1974 under the title "Individual Rights and the Federal Role in Behavior Modification." Other members of the subcommittee included: Senators John McClellan, Arkansas, Edward Kennedy, Massachusetts, Birch Bayh, Indiana, Robert Byrd, West Virginia, John Tunney, California, Edward Gurney, Florida, Roman Hruska, Nebraska, Hiram Fong, Hawaii, Strom Thurmond, South Carolina, and Lawrence Baskir, Chief Counsel, Dorothy Glancy, Counsel, Joseph Klutz, Research Assistant, Alfred Pollard, Research Assistant, and George Downs, Sr, Chief Printing Clerk, and Anita Kinlaw, a legal intern.
The report includes a study of Straight's predecessor program, The Seed, and concludes that The Seed used methods similar to the "brainwashing" methods employed by North Koreans against American servicemen during the Korean War."
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Essentially, the Ervin report concludes that the Federal government has no business funding, fostering, encouraging or promoting this kind of "treatment" becuase it is profoundly at odds with ideas of liberty, soverignty and self determination. This report and the Federal funding policies based on it are what knocked Art Barker out of the majors. He simply was, in my opinion, too full of himself to concede to the requirements.
But that never stopped Bobby DuPont and them others from going full speed ahead with the plan. They just set up a new corporate entity under a different name with a more carefully selected and cultivated team of players. They simply ignored or found ways around this new law. (see Solon quote above)
I think we need to get our Constitutional Republic government the hell out of the Socialist business of providing mental health services. Talk about the blind leading the blind? Hell, this has turned out more like some kind of sick Mongolian purge where sane kids are tracked down and made insane to conform to government standards!
I think we've had just about all the help we can stand, Lee. I just wish these psychos would just quit helping so damned much! Can you help make it stop?
A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you least expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit.
-- In the August 1993 issue, page 9, of PS magazine, the Army's magazine of preventive maintenance
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Yes they do offer that, but
intrepidnetreporters.com had been private and then mysteriously made public again.
Ask Lee to tell you the truth. He can't deny that this happened. Well, he can, but he'd be lying again.
Also helpyourteen.com (similar to helpyourteens.com) was registered 7-22-03.
Same day intrepidnetreporters.com was registered at godaddy.
Helpyourteen.com rolls to sue's site and is in her name.
She transfered it to Lee's name (after they took away the privacy) to avoid problems in her current lawsuit with wwasp.
Anyone who thinks that they can hide behind the domainsbyproxy is dumb. They have rules against spam, copyrights infringement, and objectionable content.
Lee just won't admit it, but that's ok because there is proof he is on Sue's "buddie list" yet he keeps posting that he doesn't work with PURE anymore.
That was the whole reason for post. This just proves he is still in bed with PURE and he's a liar. Nothing more. I wasn't trying to say he doesn't have a good cause he is working for. I think it's great he stands for what he believes, but I don't think he needs to play both sides.
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On 2003-10-15 12:40:00, turbinekat wrote:
"Antigen,
Congrats on the anonymous domain claim info...I however, chose NOT to establish this account under any false pretences nor did I wish to hide any ownership of this website.
Quite right. My mistake. I saw the "Enter your password here" box and didn't carefully read. I thought you had gone and upgraded to an anon registration. My mistake, apologies.
I can say, I?m very proud of the person who created & operated this site for many years prior to her passing. It saddens me to think that her website is endangered to become under wwasps ownership, as was the case with another website that recently expired.
Thanks for doing that. I do the same thing if I can whenever a forum or other valuable website is about to get shut down (hence the name and marvel at the serendipity of the acronym!)
Now what is on the site is not important to people, but the ownership & new owner are in question?
I'll own it until a federal court states otherwise...
Again, the family name is up held in the court of fornits!
Regards,
Lee
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I just don't understand why you're so touchy about being affiliated with PURE. Whether or not that affiliation adversely effects your personal credibility, I don't know. I suppose it depends on who you're talking to. But I can't help notice that you're acting shady about it! If you don't really do volunteer work for PURE, then I suggest you ask Sue to remove your names from her site under the heading "Volunteers". If, otoh, you proudly volunteer for PURE, then why all the fits?
You know, if Mama Cass Elliot would have shared that damn sandwich
with Karen Carpenter, they would both still be alive today!!!!!!!
--chongo
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No fits here; judge & jury warbis, just the facts.
It may behoove everyone to read what exactly a volunteer is.
PURE Volunteers - Listed Alphabetically
You are welcome to email a parent. We are parents helping parents striving to "bring families back together."
Maybe Ginger can so eloquently define this statement for those of us less meaningful individuals.
Then I'll ask you, to define my affiliation with the Special Olympics as a volunteer, as well & so forth.
Have at judge...
Regards,
Lee
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If Sue was given credit for owning this one, how can you be sure credit is due for owning the other one? Give it a rest.
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On 2003-10-15 16:55:00, turbinekat wrote:
"No fits here; judge & jury warbis, just the facts.
Judge and jury? Oh darn! I forgot to consult my support group and find out what to think before responding. :idea: Hey, I think I might be onto something here.
It may behoove everyone to read what exactly a volunteer is.
PURE Volunteers - Listed Alphabetically
You are welcome to email a parent. We are parents helping parents striving to "bring families back together."
Maybe Ginger can so eloquently define this statement for those of us less meaningful individuals.
Sure, my pleasure. You work for PURE either w/o compensation or w/ compensation under the table somehow.
Then I'll ask you, to define my affiliation with the Special Olympics as a volunteer, as well & so forth.
Same thing. The only time I've ever seen the term "volunteer" defined differently was early in the Clinton Admin when they announce the $7/hr Americor "volunteer" program. Is that the definition you're using? Or is it some other term of art with which I'm not familiar?
Ya' know, instead of all this hostile back and forth, I was hoping you'd respond to this other post.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#22996 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3238&forum=9&Sort=U&start=10#22996)
G'won, I dare ya!
Until you've lost your reputation,you never realize what a burden it was or what freedom really is.
MARGARET MITCHELL
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Ginger, way off the mark on the volunteer issue...you are just as fortunate as many others in assuming your statement. I believe it was you defending everyone & anyone about the facts & or presenting the truth. Please show me proof of where I work for PURE??? This is your assumption & nothing else!!!
Again, the Special Olympics, me working for them...never received anything from them? PA must have a different Special Olympics committee & rules that I am very unaware of? Please explain this to me oh wise wizard of fornits.
I'm in a cycle club as well & have yet to receive any funds from them either? Maybe I should ask them to pay me for showing up to ride? Or because my name is on their site & list of volunteers for toy runs? I'll try this at the next meeting & fill you in on how they respond.
Also, an officer on the deer lease...just maybe I could be compensated from them too?
Damn, just think if every time I volunteered I was paid I could quit my day job & just lounge around waiting for all of the volunteer stuff to pay off...it would probably be like hitting the lottery?
The church is gonna love me for dipping into the plate when it comes by?
Please sign me up for the toaster oven, I'll take what's behind door number three & I wanna be included as a fornits volunteer. Please pick me?Once my contract arrives, I'll mail it back & then you can start direct depositing the funds into my account!!!
Sounds like a winner for me...I mean a winner to me?
Regards,
Lee
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On 2003-10-15 16:55:00, turbinekat wrote:
"No fits here; judge & jury warbis, just the facts.
It may behoove everyone to read what exactly a volunteer is.
PURE Volunteers - Listed Alphabetically
You are welcome to email a parent. We are parents helping parents striving to "bring families back together."
Maybe Ginger can so eloquently define this statement for those of us less meaningful individuals.
Then I'll ask you, to define my affiliation with the Special Olympics as a volunteer, as well & so forth.
Have at judge...
Regards,
Lee
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Lee et al, seems to me you got a dog in this fight, allright, but that dog don't hunt about as good as it don't fight.
:rofl:
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I've got some serious intution... I had been saying that the Colburns were scandalous since the beginning of time. I hate all the witchhunt stuff, but if you feel like a situation or person isn't right..follow your hunch! I've busted like 4 people in the last year on that rule.
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Speaking of our dog...Aggie
As a pup of six weeks old she was diagnosed with parvo. Both parents died along with all of her sibling. Don't ask why I don't know why? I ain't a vet either. She just doesn?t have any doggie family so to speak?just us.
Some how or another she survived the ordeal! The vet originally wanted to put her to sleep!!! Can you believe that? What if that was a child in the same situation (not with parvo, but some other disease), would the pediatrician want to put a child to sleep? I hope not.
Anyway, short story long...the little mutt has grown up to be a 92# lap dog. Momma, Nancy was responsible for caring for the critter, because I wasn't going to waste my time on what I presumed a worthless cause. I was relying on the vet, his observations, education & prior experience with the disease.
Imagine my surprise when the dog made it past the incubation period for this disease. When we transported her back to the vet, however many days later, he was even more shocked at her willingness to exist.
I still to this day can not explain this medical phenomenon & the dogs desire to survive.
I imagine children who are incarcerated behind all behavioral modification facilities walls may feel this same desire to survive...if only there were a legal way to accomplish this task... would everyone not affiliated with these organizations volunteer to assist them in their plight for freedom?
Regards,
Lee
[ This Message was edited by: turbinekat on 2003-10-15 22:36 ]
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Wouldn't they want to volunteer to help them by caring and nurturing them while they were there, so they could survive in a much bigger way when they were "set free?"
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Anon.
Please explain; I'm just a dumb ol country boy!
I've never heard of any children set free? I know some of them are removed or picked up early by parents.
It?s either graduate or take the exit plan. How can that be construed as being "set free"?
Regards,
Lee
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On 2003-10-15 20:52:00, turbinekat wrote:
"Please show me proof of where I work for PURE??? This is your assumption & nothing else!!!
http://www.helpyourteens.com/about_us.html (http://www.helpyourteens.com/about_us.html)
Near the bottom of the page, volunteers listed in alphabetical order:
"Lee and Nancy Colburn - Pearland, TX -
(Lee) ncolburn@houston.rr.com (http://mailto:ncolburn@houston.rr.com)"
I don't recall anyone saying you got paid for your work for PURE. Usually, except under the Clinton Admin, the term "volunteer" means work for no monitary compensation. I asked you to provide the third definition or term of art that would define the term as having nothing whatsoever to do with the organization claiming you as a volunteer. But all you do is put your hand out and ask for money? Is that what you do for PURE? Solicit donations or something?
The trouble with practical jokes is that very often they get elected.
Will Rogers, American humorist, political commentator and cowboy philosopher
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On 2003-10-15 22:05:00, turbinekat wrote:
"I imagine children who are incarcerated behind all behavioral modification facilities walls may feel this same desire to survive...if only there were a legal way to accomplish this task... would everyone not affiliated with these organizations volunteer to assist them in their plight for freedom?"
Ok, let's take it a step further. What if, instead of either caring for the dog or being straight about putting him down, he just lied to you and told you he'd take the pup to a nice, comfy compound, far better than either your home or any other option. Then took him in the back and shot him full of sleepy water anyway?
Lee, please tell me why I should believe that PURE is placing kids in any better circumstances than WWASP schools. Why do you believe it? Everything I've seen and heard so far tells me that PURE is just like Straight in the early days; yet another doomed attempt at a kinder, gentler thought reform regimen set up by former Seedlings and Seed parents. What, prey tell, is the difference?
I stand ready to be convinced. Will someone, anyone, please answer that question?
Government operates best when it allows all messengers to offer their views, allowing the American people to decide which take root and which wither away.
--Harold Furchtgott-Roth, member of the Federal Communications Commission
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Guess know one wanted to answer my question....
But... I respect professional opinions & do use them when they pertain to my situations or regarding questions I've asked them directly.
Anyway, the vet that day, I imagine would have received an ear full if he'd have attempted to pry the little puppy from Nancy's clutches. That was her puppy & still is her puppy to this very day.
Ginger, your continued attepmts to convict me of being a PURE expert are falling on MY deaf ears. I'm not an expert on the subject of PURE nor have I made a comment to that nature. Again, I'll ask you...where does it state that I'm PURE's expert? Please contact them directly for any information you need pertaining to their organization. I might add, legitimately this time & not under false pretence. Consider me gulible, I personally can't imagine a legit business hidng anything...but then again, I owned stock in Enron too. Were they legit? Only time & our wonderful federal government will ever know FOR SURE. I know...maybe you should ask Enron's employees; past & present; I'd suspect them to be viable experts on the topic of Enron.
Regards,
Lee
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If you're not an expert on PURE and they don't share confidential info with you, then why do you keep calling me Tammy?? I certainly didn't tell you. If you have nothing to do with PURE, then how come they list you as a volunteer and encourage people to contact you?
Your question is based on the false premis that directing people away from WWASP and to PURE is somehow saving their kids. And you've suggested, in rather strong terms, that anyone who would question the sanctity of PURE must be out to kill some kids.
What you have not done (or anyone else affiliated with PURE for that matter) has been to explain the difference between what WWASP does and what PURE does. I've gone all over their website and I can't find any significant difference. I did the "get 'free' info" thing, which required giving a lot of personal info. in exchange, and all I got back was a stroke "Good mommy, coming to us for help!" and the same phone numbers and other info that's on the website anyway.
Can you at least name the schools and programs that PURE refers people to so that I can check for myself and find out what they're about? Or is that secret for some reason? What reason?
Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean.
-- John Muir
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Don't think your info is correct on this one...Tammy? Must have been from someone else?
Once again...judge warbis, your hind ness; may want to watch the lips this time...my so called "battle" as you deemed it, should not be confused with the wwasps vs. PURE scenario.
WOW, your can own this statement on your own...never have I stated that someone should kill a child? You may need to take your blood pressure medications before your boat hits the dock!!!
Ginger, once again...maybe you should just pick up the phone, contact PURE & ask whatever questions you wish answers to...
Schools, they only schools I can recommend NOT to attend are ones currently owned by wwasps. Based on my family's experience.
I've attempted to project my opinions in the simplest of terms so that your ego doesn't get in the way.
Hey, what ever happened to the fornits of the year volunteer award? I didn't receive a contract in the mail today? FedEx did their thing...UPS stopped off to deliver & nothing from fornits...no toaster oven, nothing behind the door or curtain, not even a check of any monetary worth. I can take it, if for some reason you chose some other deserving sole.
Regards,
Lee
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On 2003-10-16 16:04:00, turbinekat wrote:
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Ginger, once again...maybe you should just pick up the phone, contact PURE & ask whatever questions you wish answers to...
Naturally, that was my first impulse too some months ago. Sue changed the subject. Then I asked again, again something really, really important occured to her that she just had to ask me right away before she forgot. So, after answering that question, I asked again. But, alass, she had to go attend to an apparently difficult intake.
Schools, they only schools I can recommend NOT to attend are ones currently owned by wwasps. Based on my family's experience.
Then is it fair to say that PURE will recomend to any school so long as it's not WWASP? What about CEDU/Brown? How about programs like SAFE, Growing Together, KHK, PFC, etc?
To the extent that a society limits its government to policing functions which curb the individuals who engage in aggressive and criminal actions, and conducts its economic affairs on the basis of free and willing exchange, to that extent domestic peace prevails. When a society departs from this norm, its governing class begins, in effect, to make war upon the rest of the nation. A situation is created in which everyone is victimized by everyone else under the fiction of each living at the expense of all.
--Edmund A. Opitz