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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Carey on October 14, 2003, 11:11:00 AM
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I will give any and all information I have on PURE and Trekers to WWASP. What ever they have not picked up here on this forum, they are welcome to. Why? Why not? I do not hold any secret information. What I have to share is for the public. What I have to share can't hurt kids. It can hurt others, but that is not my concern. I am not afraid of the truth. Why shouldn't everyone be privey to ALL information so that good decisions can be made concerning the kids.
I don't understand all of the paranoia you Anon's have.
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BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dear God!
Good work, guys! Carey asks an important question, "Why shouldn't we hold the parents accountable". So, instead of trying to explain to her all of the very good and valid reasons why that's not such a good idea, you call her a drunk and a slut, crazy, vindictive, etc., ad nauseum till she finally concludes (understandably enough) that ya'll are no better than them others.
Beautiful!!! ::cheers::
Who are you going to drive into the enemy's arms next?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The people who ran straight had the best of intentions. I hope they reached their destination.
James Lloyd
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Carey
Anything that you give to WWASP cements their position and enables them to continue in operation longer. THIS DOES HURT KIDS. Whether or not you like, respect or admire certain people, why would you do something that willhelp this organization continue to profit from hurting chldren? YOU APPEAR TO BE ASSISTING THEM. Wow. I wonder why?!
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On 2003-10-14 11:52:00, Antigen wrote:
"Dear God!
Good work, guys! Carey asks an important question, "Why shouldn't we hold the parents accountable". So, instead of trying to explain to her all of the very good and valid reasons why that's not such a good idea, you call her a drunk and a slut, crazy, vindictive, etc., ad nauseum till she finally concludes (understandably enough) that ya'll are no better than them others.
Beautiful!!! ::cheers::
Who are you going to drive into the enemy's arms next?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The people who ran straight had the best of intentions. I hope they reached their destination.
James Lloyd
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It seems anyone that is perceived to be anti-PURE is automatically written off as pro-WWASP, when in fact, these 2 organizations are essentially competitors, which may be why some people may not be fans of either one. Go figure.
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PURE a competitor of WWASPS? PURE is not and may never be a competitor. They are self-professed educational consultants that get paid a hefty fee for referring parents to non-wwasps programs, right?
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On 2003-10-14 08:11:00, Carey wrote:
"I will give any and all information I have on PURE and Trekers to WWASP. What ever they have not picked up here on this forum, they are welcome to. Why? Why not? I do not hold any secret information. What I have to share is for the public. What I have to share can't hurt kids. It can hurt others, but that is not my concern. I am not afraid of the truth. Why shouldn't everyone be privey to ALL information so that good decisions can be made concerning the kids.
I don't understand all of the paranoia you Anon's have. "
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I wonder why too? I hope Carey seriously considers your post. Kids are important.
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Wrong wrong wrong. Delusion is catching on this forum.
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Wrong again. Ginger you should get your facts straight. You are losing your credibility.
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Oh Pleaseeeeze."Drive into the enemys arms next." She's be lying n bed with them for months.
So the wwasp attorney stated.
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On 2003-10-14 19:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Oh Pleaseeeeze."Drive into the enemys arms next." She's be lying n bed with them for months.
So the wwasp attorney stated. "
Seems you have some first-hand knowledge here. Care to explain how (or why) you would be talking to the WWASPS attorneys?
:rofl:
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On 2003-10-14 19:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2003-10-14 19:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Oh Pleaseeeeze."Drive into the enemys arms next." She's be lying n bed with them for months.
So the wwasp attorney stated. "
Seems you have some first-hand knowledge here. Care to explain how (or why) you would be talking to the WWASPS attorneys?
::bwahaha2::
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On 2003-10-14 19:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Wrong again. Ginger you should get your facts straight. You are losing your credibility."
With whom?Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
--John Adams
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On 2003-10-14 19:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Oh Pleaseeeeze."Drive into the enemys arms next." She's be lying n bed with them for months.
So the wwasp attorney stated. "
Oh, and they ALWAYS tell the truth! Especially to their legal adversaries. :rofl: Don't you see how you're being played? I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
--Thomas Jefferson, 1791, in a letter to Archibald Stuart
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My sons and Martha's son never witnessed any beatings at Dundee. Amberly never spoke of any beatings. It sure seems funny to me that the beatings Nathan witnessed were only discovered after you came in contact with Sue.
I do not believe anything you say. Yet, I know and believe Dundee was abusive. Abuse does not have to be defined by beatings.
Just tell the truth about everything, don't add to it and don't take away from it and you will be alot more believable.
< jvarney@timespicayune.com.>
Physical ordeals
Garred and Geoffrey Bock said they were not subjected to beatings at Academy Dundee, though they claimed other students were. But some of the punishments they described were physical ordeals by any account. For talking when they weren't supposed to, as one example, the twins said they were ordered into an isolated room and forced to kneel silently for 12 hours a day, three days in a row.>
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And what is the point in you reposting what I have said and what the reporter said?
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I think the insinuation here is that, if the media got a detail wrong, then the whole story must be untrue.
Never mind that journalists almost always get something wrong or misunderstand. If you want badly enough to believe that the truth is a lie (as in the case of someone who's come to depend for their own self esteem on the idea that to trust the program makes them good parents and to question the program makes them bad parents) that's all the evidence you need.
Know what I think? More than likely, there is no written or unwritten policy involving hitting or beating anyone as such. However, it must happen at least once in awhile. How else does the staff make a kid hold to a painful and unhealthy physical position against their will? Ask them in a more stern voice? Ground them? Take away their car keys? Of course not, they physically force them to do it. And if the kid fights back? Well, given all the facts as we know them, it's hard for me to imagine a scenareo that does not include beatings of some sort.
But you're right. Beatings are not the only form of abuse. IMO, not even the worst.
The college idealists who fill the ranks of the environmental movement seem willing to do absolutely anything to save the biosphere, except take science courses and learn something about it.
--P.J. O'Rourke
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Ginger,
The reporter did not get any detail wrong. What he said is exactly right. "Garred and Geoffrey Bock said they were not subjected to beatings at Academy Dundee, though they claimed other students were. " That statement is accuarate. I was sitting right there with them when they made that statement. You see, they did claim others were beaten. Did they witness it with their own two eyes? NO. They heard others talk about it and they did see kids with bruises. But they were not eyewitnesses to anyone being beaten.
Could someone have been beaten, I am sure they could have. Afterall, a girl was assaulted and raped while at Dundee and yet that has been kept under lock and key.
So, I still don't see the point. Maybe the Anon who posted it could explain.
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Carey wrote:"Afterall, a girl was assaulted and raped while at Dundee and yet that has been kept under lock and key."
I recall this wasn't a student, but a staff member? No point being made, just clarification.
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Yes she was staff. She was an 18 year old who herself had gone through the program. The boy who raped her was also staff and he too went through the program.
I don't think so much who it happened to is important. I don't want the poor girl to have to suffer anymore than she already has. However, I think the fact that it did happen is important. All parents who had children there should have been notified that it did indeed occur.
The mother of the girl who was assaulted and raped told me that her daughter was pursing legal actions here in the states against the boy. I don't know whether she did or not. I doubt she did because I think she would have had to have done so in Costa Rica. Also, the mother works as an after care coach for families who have kids in programs. Charges should have been pressed. There is a rapist out there, here in the states that is, who is not being held accountable for his actions.
I knew about this before I went to Dundee to get the boys. I had heard about it from a friend of the mother.
This was another incident in which the boys told me about. They did not see the girl get rapped, but they did see her afterwards. After she came back from the hospital that is. Her head was in bandages from the surgery. They knew what had happened to her.