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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 14, 2003, 06:36:00 AM
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Seems your story has a few holes. Like , have you told everyone that you have used one Clifton Williams social security number to obtain things. Did I mention that Clifton died in June 1986. No joke, the first numbers are 457-06. You might want to mention that to WWASP.
Hey ISAC since she is helping WWASP does she get investigated too. If so, let me know, I would love to help.
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:flame: So Carey sold her soul to the devil, Here she is always saying shes in to help the kids. What a crock!!
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Seems your story has a few holes. Like , have you told everyone that you have used one Clifton Williams social security number to obtain things. Did I mention that Clifton died in June 1986. No joke, the first numbers are 457-06.
What are you talking about? Who is Clifton Williams?
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Carey did you give WWASP information????????? :flame:
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Who is Clifton Williams, and what is up with the social security number?
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she can't HONESTLY answer any of these questions, until she speaks with spence about her ACCOUNTABILITY
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On 2003-10-14 03:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Seems your story has a few holes. Like , have you told everyone that you have used one Clifton Williams social security number to obtain things. Did I mention that Clifton died in June 1986. No joke, the first numbers are 457-06. You might want to mention that to WWASP.
Hey ISAC since she is helping WWASP does she get investigated too. If so, let me know, I would love to help. "
Ok, at the risk of frightening away legit users of anon posting, I'm going to give just a little bit away here.
The above post comes from an IP owned by tampabay.rr.com. Who do we know in Tampa? And who in Tampa might have a motive to say such a thing about Carey? If they're really interested in alw-n-order, why post it here?
What the hell has a SS number issue got to do with torturing children? Even if the claim is true, we're only talking about stealing cash from thieves, not stealing personalities and families from children.
I might (though I wouldn't) just as easily post an anon message claiming that Susan Scheff or Ken Lay were unrepentant jaywalkers at some point in the past. Would you believe it? Would you care?
Any policy that has Ted Byfield on the same side as many Rastafarians can fairly be said to have generated a consensus.
-- Ottawa Citizen August 28, 1997
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Antigen, the Colburn's, Nancy and Lee have the email address of lcolburn@houston.rr.com (http://mailto:lcolburn@houston.rr.com).
They are associated with PURE, they are on their "about us" list.
I suppose it could be someone from the same company they work for in Tampa, maybe they have someone posting for them.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-10-14 08:35 ]
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Your mouth is over loading your ass, again! You are now speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
You may want to get better information about me, Carey.
Contrary to your beliefs, I do not nor have I ever worked for PURE. WRONG, again. Is my email address posted on their sight, yes. Does that represent me working for PURE, no.
I do not or have not ever worked in Tampa, nor does anyone in Tampa represent me. WRONG, again.
Please before you make false accusations in the future, get your facts straight before inserting your foot.
Posting slanderous information on a public forum is a no , no Carey. I'll warn you this time & request that you & Ginger refrain from posting my personal info on this site again.
Regards,
Lee
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{QUOTE]They are associated with PURE, they are on their "about us" list. {/QUOTE}
I never said you worked for PURE, I said you were associated with them.
So Lee, what does the rr.com stand for at the end of your email address?
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That was me. What does the rr.com stand for?
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Carey, any email address ending in rr. com means the ISP is ROAD RUNNER, which is a company that provides high-speed (cable not modem) service to residential and businesses customers across the U.S. Whoever posted the message, lives in Florida and has an account with Road Runner that is apparently in or near the Tampa/Ft. Lauderdale area.
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Carey Bock What you have just done is given me the amunition that I need to see your sorry ass in court. You have just posted a private e-mail address and accused me of working for PURE. You are WRONG AGAIN! Myself nor my husband work for PURE. Never have and never will. You have made slanderous remarks about my husband and I receiving money from PURE and being money grubbing & rich. Where do you come up with this crap? I would not refer anyone to ANY PROGRAM! We are not affiliated with anyone in Tampa nor do we work for anyone anywhere. And as far as I'm concerned Ginger, you are in the same boat as Ms. Bock for sending out the information that got this started in the first place. I read this board and I have posted here maybe 2 or 3 times. Not even enough to remember my username or password so I therefore had to sign on as anon. Carey you have made accusations that you cannot back up because that's exactly what they are, accusations not the TRUTH! You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass.
Nancy Colburn
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Are you at work today Carey? Using company time and their computers for your dirty little deeds?
Nancy Colburn
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Clarification:
ISP means INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER which is the source people use to connect to the Internet.
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Myself nor my husband work for PURE. Never have and never will. You have made slanderous remarks about my husband and I receiving money from PURE and being money grubbing & rich.
I never said you worked for them. I said you are associated with them. Where and when did I ever make a remark about you receiving money from PURE.
You guys are getting really desparate.
Your email is posted on a public web page. I did not make it public, you did.
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Are you at work today Carey? Using company time and their computers for your dirty little deeds?
Nancy Colburn
You are really desparate, more desparate than I thought.
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On 2003-10-14 09:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
And as far as I'm concerned Ginger, you are in the same boat as Ms. Bock for sending out the information that got this started in the first place.
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Carey you have made accusations that you cannot back up because that's exactly what they are, accusations not the TRUTH! You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass.
Nancy Colburn"
Interesting! Nancy (if that's your real name {lol!}), PURE is such a notorious organization that the (aparently) true fact that you list them in your "About Us" page is "slanderous" while the post that got this whole row started, the allegation that Carey fraudulently used someone's SS# to get something, is not???
My god! This is so much like being in group, I'd have to cry if it were not so damned funny!
You guys! Carey is not the enemy!!! Carey is not pro WWASP! Carey rescued her sons from WWASP at great personal risk and expense to herself! All the rest is just typical smear tactics that these same assholes have been using for decades to turn critics against each other! Wake the fuck up, please!
BTW, which one of you ran to the phone to alert the author of that original post to my answer, with the suggestion that I'd gone "pro WWASP" too?
Divide an conquore isn't going to work here, you sad, angry little people.
I keep trying to explain to Carey how it's best to leave the parents out of it and hope that they might patch things up with their kids after the dust settles. But some parents never do that. Some remain faithful to their Program and against their own kids forever. You guys are obviously still "in the program". From my point of view, this is looking more and more like the false conflicts among program people in the past.
Couple of examples. Richard Knowels(sp) and Chris Casselor copped to criminal charges and resigned from Straight while the media spotlight was on. Bad, BAD! Chris and Richard, eh? Now that they're gone, why Straight is pure and wholesome again. Two years later, after the attention was off, they never saw the inside of a jail cell and were back on staff. I understand Chris would up affiliated with the Straight, SoCal that got closed down pretty quickly and wound up playing piano in some bar.
Then came Miller. Bad, BAD, Miller Newton!!! Then came KIDS. Then Michael Scaletta in Orlando. Well, Loretta sure cleaned HIS clock, eh? Now it's Brian's turn, I guess.
How many times will you folks fall for the same scam?
We need cops.
We can't live without 'em.
But they need to start working for us....
That's no longer an option.
They've pushed it.
They've gone to far.
They've just gone to far.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
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Ginger,
Carey IS the enemy. She shared confidential infornation with WWASP's attornys because she was rejected from the list.
WWASP can be it on. We have been waiting for them fo a long long time.
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On 2003-10-14 09:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger,
Carey IS the enemy. She shared confidential infornation with WWASP's attornys because she was rejected from the list.
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What information? What evidence do you have to support the idea that Carey gave it to them? What possible motive would she have for doing that?
According to an old former friend of some 20 years, I'm now pro WWASP! Aparently, ya'll are paranoid beyond all measure and now need NO credible evidence to convince you that everyone is your enemy.
Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
--Winston Churchill
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Ginger,
NO! not paronoid. Hear it from the horse's mouth.
Beware of Carey. Her need for vengence is malicious.
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The hear say is, Carey has been talking to WWASP on a daily basis.
She has provided them with documentation from a private list serve.
I have been told I am named as next in line to be suied as a result; along with several others - and more to come later.
The long term ramification of this? Only time will tell.
I have been advised to get off this Forum, and stay off.
I intend to take that advice, but as soon as I have what I have just related in writting, I'll come back for a visit, and post it for you folks.
In the mean time - Most of you know who I am. My contact info is available. Anyone who would like to keep in touch - feel free.
KarenZ
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Excuse me .
Heard it from the horse's mouth!!
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Hey, while you're at it, see if you can dig up any WMDs in Iraq.
I strongly suspect (but do not pretend to know, just suspect) that WWASP doesn't need any more help getting info on PURE than Straight needed getting info on Kids, or on SAFE, Orlando, or on PFC in Detroit, or on KHK in Cincinnati, etc.
I expect to be thoroughly shocked and awed.
A multitude of laws in a country is like a great number of physicians, a sign of weakness and malady.
--Voltaire, philosopher (1694-1778)
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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Ginger,
What does Pure have to do with it?
I think you are missing the important point. This is not or ever has been about Pure. That is Carey delusion. Not reality.
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ginger, where were you in '82? definately not taking the stand for the kids sake. Did you ever testify to help the straight children?
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I wonder who that person is? Bet I know
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Ginger, go back and read a little further. Carey stated she gave WWASP the info. This is not hear say. She stated it on here. I doubt she "gave" WWASP anything, it is probably more likely she "sold" confidential information. That is illegal.
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On 2003-10-14 10:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger, go back and read a little further. Carey stated she gave WWASP the info. This is not hear say. She stated it on here. I doubt she "gave" WWASP anything, it is probably more likely she "sold" confidential information. That is illegal. "
Well, I've read this thread pretty carefully and missed the post you're talking about. Can you please provide a url? There's one at the foot of each post in these forums.
I don't know whether or not Carey gave away any info to WWASP and, even if that turns out to be factually true, I don't know that she wasn't tricked into it.
Here's what I do know. The WWASPIES are laughing their asses off over how easily they've been able to distract you turkeys from the issue of their crimes and set you at eachother's throats.
The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.
-- John Adams, (1772)
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On 2003-10-14 10:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Excuse me .
Heard it from the horse's mouth!!
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Ok, who heard what from whom? Without that info, your statement is meaningless. All I see are hostile attacks based on thin evidence.
Oh, while you're at it, would anyone care to clue me in on the evidence to back the claim that I've "turned pro WWASP?"
...it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..
--Samuel Adams
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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On 2003-10-14 10:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ginger, where were you in '82? definately not taking the stand for the kids sake. Did you ever testify to help the straight children?"
No, I chose instead to protect my own sanity and try and patch things up with my parents. I do not regret that decision. Nor do I regret having followed my intuition to not rely on your friendship or fidelity.
I don't go lookin' for trouble. I just keep a little in a box should someone come by who is.
--Bill Warbis
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On 2003-10-14 10:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger,
What does Pure have to do with it?
I think you are missing the important point. This is not or ever has been about Pure. That is Carey delusion. Not reality.
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You tell me cause I still haven't seen any convincing evidence to back up any of these claims. What hot shit info did Carey supposedly leak to WWASP? And who's Spense? Is that like asking "Who is John Galt"?
Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind...it doesn't matter!
-- Chuck Gauran
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Oh Ginger shut the hell up already!!! Besides why would anybody want to hand over any information to you? Hell you screwed over your pals in 1982 :skull: .....why would anyone "TRUST" you with anything important? From the sound of your posts you and Carey could be sister's!!!
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On 2003-10-14 12:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh Ginger shut the hell up already!!! Besides why would anybody want to hand over any information to you? Hell you screwed over your pals in 1982 :skull: .....why would anyone "TRUST" you with anything important? From the sound of your posts you and Carey could be sister's!!! "
Ah yes, I remember you so well from those days back in `82. Do you ever pass on a chance to go balistic on someone based on pure hearsay? With friends like these, would you risk anything very important (like, say, the possability of landing up back in group) on nothing but their implausible promises?
I hope to Christ you have at least one credible plaintiff. But, again, I seriously suspect this case is nothing more than a red herring, just like the one Tom Burton pretended to pursue against WWASP a number of years ago, before scamming a bunch of SAFE parents out of their money and hopes.
Oh, and BTW, I wish I could claim I had a sister who was balsey enough to carry of a real-live, successful escape/rescue like Carey did for her sons. But I don't. The best I can claim of my sister is that at least it took her nearly 2 weeks to rat me out when I (foolishly) sought refuge from her while trying to escape Straight.
Oh, and what is this hot shit info that Carey supposedly leaked to WWASP? If WWASP already has it, then there's no reason not to tell all what it is, is there?
There lives more faith, in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
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Ginger:
Carey's quote on saying she is giving everything to wwwasp is on Here Ya Go.
Nobody is paranoid, she wrote it.
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No, she said she will give WWASP all she has. The accusations, threats and name calling started months ago. I remember it well. I was in the middle of bottling up my first batch of home-brew in years when I got the news that someone wanted to sue ME to try and force me to ban Carey from the forums.
Then, as now, if I were inclined to ban anyone, I would ban all you people who've been posting outrageous slander against Carey. The stuff is offensive, very personal, far below the belt and entirely off topic in these forums.
You'll note I don't even ban program staff or current parents, even when they offend me directly. Ever wonder why? It's because I know in my heart that they'd just go cry martyr on any available shoulder while posing as neutral parties and demanding that I remove everything offensive to anyone, all the way laughing up your sleeve at having manipulated me into restricting this (only?) free and uncensored forum on the Teen Help industry.
That would be just too easy. Try again. ::noway::
To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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She used the wrong adverb. If she was being truthful she'd have said I Have, not I will.
As I see it now, she has been very sly. All this time, I thought she was just crazy and mean, but all the innuendo and snide remarks were really just Carey provoking people to make statements and name names that might be useful to wwasp.
I expect if we hire a forensic accountant, well find she has been paid well for her efforts.
Just my opinion, based on my experience.
It will be intresting seeing how this plays out; and Ginger, you might want to be a little slower to make judgements and take sides.
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On 2003-10-14 15:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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She used the wrong adverb. If she was being truthful she'd have said I Have, not I will.
As I see it now, she has been very sly. All this time, I thought she was just crazy and mean, but all the innuendo and snide remarks were really just Carey provoking people to make statements and name names that might be useful to wwasp.
I expect if we hire a forensic accountant, well find she has been paid well for her efforts.
Just my opinion, based on my experience.
It will be intresting seeing how this plays out; and Ginger, you might want to be a little slower to make judgements and take sides.
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This is pure speculation, as evident by your OWN admission that without hiring a forensic accountant, you can not be certain of what Carey has or has not done.
:silly:
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Once again, anyone got a snap shot of that cat that alegedly got out of the bag? Now, if this is really information that could damage your case, I would not want you to release it if you don't know to a dead certainty that it's already you. I'm guessing you don't actually know that, any more than you know that Carey's a slutt asshole alcoholic lunatic.
Sacred cows make the best hamburger.
Mark Twain
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There are alot of people on this board that can be very annoying. Lot's of people that think they know it all and everyone else has their head lodged. I have read tons of stuff I think is alot of B.S. So why is Carey singled out. If you get to the point where you are so angry about what someone says that you want to write s**t about them, you might want to ask yourself why. I've had to do it. I am not for or against anyone, but I know what it feels like to be on both sides of it. Just a suggestion. :wave:
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On 2003-10-14 14:02:00, Antigen wrote:
"No, she said she will give WWASP all she has. The accusations, threats and name calling started months ago. I remember it well. I was in the middle of bottling up my first batch of home-brew in years when I got the news that someone wanted to sue ME to try and force me to ban Carey from the forums.
Then, as now, if I were inclined to ban anyone, I would ban all you people who've been posting outrageous slander against Carey. The stuff is offensive, very personal, far below the belt and entirely off topic in these forums.
You'll note I don't even ban program staff or current parents, even when they offend me directly. Ever wonder why? It's because I know in my heart that they'd just go cry martyr on any available shoulder while posing as neutral parties and demanding that I remove everything offensive to anyone, all the way laughing up your sleeve at having manipulated me into restricting this (only?) free and uncensored forum on the Teen Help industry.
That would be just too easy. Try again. ::noway::
To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous"
Thank you, Ginger, for standing your ground in the face of such unadulterated manipulation.
:tup:
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On 2003-10-14 17:24:00, Antigen wrote:
"Once again, anyone got a snap shot of that cat that alegedly got out of the bag? Now, if this is really information that could damage your case, I would not want you to release it if you don't know to a dead certainty that it's already you. I'm guessing you don't actually know that, any more than you know that Carey's a slutt asshole alcoholic lunatic.
Sacred cows make the best hamburger.
Mark Twain
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Ginger, would you mind clarifying what you mean
when you say ...
"now, if this is really information that could damage your case, I would not want you to release it if you don't know to a dead certainty that it's already you."
Thanks!
::hatter::
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On 2003-10-14 18:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
On 2003-10-14 17:24:00, Antigen wrote:
Ginger, would you mind clarifying what you mean
when you say ...
"now, if this is really information that could damage your case, I would not want you to release it if you don't know to a dead certainty that it's already you."
Thanks!
::hatter:: "
Typo. Meant to say "already out".May the fleas of one thousand llamas infest your armpits
--One ticked off sysadmin
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On 2003-10-14 15:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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She used the wrong adverb. If she was being truthful she'd have said I Have, not I will.
As I see it now, she has been very sly. All this time, I thought she was just crazy and mean, but all the innuendo and snide remarks were really just Carey provoking people to make statements and name names that might be useful to wwasp.
I expect if we hire a forensic accountant, well find she has been paid well for her efforts.
Just my opinion, based on my experience.
It will be intresting seeing how this plays out; and Ginger, you might want to be a little slower to make judgements and take sides.
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Personally, I believe Ginger, and not you, Anon, is the best authority on what "speed" to use when rendering an opinion on any subject. Second, it seems to me if anyone is to be accused of a "rush to judgment" it is the person(s) who started this whole character asassination of Carey which unfortunately, appears to have passed the point of no return.
:roll:
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As you may know, I was a vocal and frequent poster to this forum, attempting to wrest my grandaughter from Casa by the Sea. That occurred...albeit sort of through the back door...when her mother found her pretty much a normal teen at PC1 and then picked her up 2 weeks later (around late August). Many things have transpired in our lives since then, but we have weekly or bi-weekly phone calls from our grandaughter lasting for more than 1 hour each. She remains the same wonderful child she always was, but her life is very hard now at home, primarily due to her step-father who got her "sent away" in the first place.
My beef with Carey was personal. She somewhat-smugly felt righteous in publishing my very-personal email to her, asking her to back off the PURE shit and allow the anti-WWASPS postings to tell the story we needed to get our grandaughter out. Again, I see this valuable forum degrading into a "Carey War". How can this one person control the thoughts and progress of so many folks who want to stop the abuse of so many children? If her desire for validation and public acknowledgement is so great, must we all bow to it? Please let it drop!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was the Anon giving the blow-by-blow costs of Casa. I was the Anon giving the saga of getting the most basic requirements of personal hygience (soap) at Casa. I just went Anon, because everyone else does it.
I will post another thread shortly with some very poignant questions, a lot on the theme of Ginger's love for her parents. For now, I wish to say that I have "known" the Colburn's, Nancy and Lee, for almost a year, and have seldom met such up-front wonderful people. They gave me moral support, free access to Lee even when he was traveling on business, a Casa contract which I forwarded to several important people, and all the sympathy and help possible over the Internet. Both of these folks, Lee as Ryan's father and Nancy as his very loving step-mother, are the salt of the earth. If these people don't meet your expectations of what you think normal, emotional, passionate people are...you're looking to die and go to Heaven, because that's the only place you'll find better. Go ahead...shoot yourself in the head, and find the Perfect Person in Heaven. We here on Earth have work to do, and we may be able to do it better without you.
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Ginger,
Please elaborate on what you know about Tom Burton scamming parents.
He has scammed a few wwasp parents too. I thought he was just incompetent.
I would be interested in hearing more .
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All I really know about Tom Burton is that he supposedly sued WWASP on behalf of a family, and (according to some) did a rediculously slack job of it. Mere incompetence wouldn't explain it.
Then a year or two later, a group of parents and former clients of SAFE, Orlando hired him to go after SAFE. He took their money (some thousands) and their documents and quit returning phone calls till they sued him. Don't know how that all ended.
You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.
--Charles Austin Beard
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On 2003-10-14 18:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2003-10-14 17:24:00, Antigen wrote:
"Once again, anyone got a snap shot of that cat that alegedly got out of the bag? Now, if this is really information that could damage your case, I would not want you to release it if you don't know to a dead certainty that it's already you. I'm guessing you don't actually know that, any more than you know that Carey's a slutt asshole alcoholic lunatic.
Sacred cows make the best hamburger.
Mark Twain
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Ginger, would you mind clarifying what you mean
when you say ...
"now, if this is really information that could damage your case, I would not want you to release it if you don't know to a dead certainty that it's already you."
Thanks!
::hatter:: "
Sure. I mean that if this slam du jour has any merit about Carey selling info to WWASP for $68k, then the info is already out and there's no point in being so circumspect about it. So if anyone would like to convince me of the merit of this claim, I'd like to see some kind of evidence. On the other hand, if the folks making this claim don't really know it to be true, well then they wouldn't want to release info here that WWASP hasn't already bought and paid for, right?
When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans ...... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities.
-- Bill Clinton, 3-22-94
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Spots, I'm so glad your grandaughter's home again! If there's one thing this world could use a little more of, I'm sure it's unconditional grandmotherly love. I look forward to reading whatever you write.
As to the brawl over Carey, I don't think she's controling anyone. I think a bunch of people have well demonstrated some of the effects of the Program. Just take a look into any of the other cult survivor forums on this server and you'll see a similar pattern. Usually, people either bounce off after awhile or reel themselves in once they've blown off enough steam. Usually, I just watch or not and try to pick out the really good stuff. There is some really good stuff in all of these forums if you look for it!
This time, I felt the need to step in, not as a moderator or authority, but just as an uninterested party with, hopefully, some useful insight. That one post yesterday morning really got my goat. Folks, that was pretty damned close to stalking! I hope this row is over now.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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Ginger,
The $68,000 is the amount of money my husband and I spent on the Program.I am very ashamed to say. There is more $$$ that was spent on assisiting my child after he came home with the trauma he experienced in the Program. Spring Creek Lodge and TB. Especially TB.
When we incorporate the transporting scam and Seminar hotel cost it continues to add up.
Money was not an issue. Seeking competent intervention for what I preceived to be his self destuctive behavior was.
WE sold our retirement stock to finance this intervention. We love our son and truly believed WWASP was a Godsend. I know differently now.
When Carey chooses to belittle and underestimate the desperatin parents feel when their children are self destructing, I feel angry, vey angry at her judgemental attiitude.
Carey is fortunate she never was at such a desperate place .
I was making fun of the Anon who corrected my "Bad Grammar" "Bad Spelling""Bad Public Relations."(?)
The Seminars teach the feedback, coaching crap. The "Thank you for sharing" upon receiving unsolicted criticism.
I attended all three Seminars. That is why I was committed to my child "Graduate the Program." Committment to the Program.
Resource Realizations Seminars DO Brainwash.That is a fact.
Carey sharing personal confidential emails with WWASP attorneys doesn't frightened me.
The information will go public as you Ginger, had stated earlier in the months in regard to the Ivy Ridge Attorney threat.
A new volume of facts can be added to the Pure Rebuttal website. Better yet we will create our own Website to expose wwasp for the malicious, abusive,fraudulent Program that it is.With all of the players.
The proof is in the facts that will be presented.
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On 2003-10-15 11:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"When Carey chooses to belittle and underestimate the desperatin parents feel when their children are self destructing, I feel angry, vey angry at her judgemental attiitude."
Well, just don't get angry. For every accusation Carey ever made, 10 others who you may well regard as trusted friends and respected collegues have probably muttered it under their breath. Trust me on that one.
If you want Carey, or anyone, to understand you then try and understand them. We all get taken for a ride many times in our lives. How in the world could I spend a year and a half with that dumb (I mean it, I saw his IQ score and it was below the 90 mark!) sadistic son of a bitch who fathered my first child AND believe he was Mr. Wonderful in the rough? How could the whole damned country buy into the Vietnam war for so long. Do you think THAT scam hasn't driven families apart? What about Nazism? Are all Germans just born stupid and crazy? I could go on and on.
Or is it that damned near anyone can be taken in by the most outrageous lies, if they don't see it coming.
Instead of getting side-tracked and losing your composure over these accusations, why not just count to ten and see if you can explain it?
While you're at it, I'm still very puzzled over all this cloak and dagger stuff. As you note, WWASP and other thought reform practitioners are the ones with all the secrets to conceal. I don't understand where anyone who's trying to mess up their scam really has anything to hide. What possibl information could Carey have (or anyone else, for that matter) that would do harm to the cause of exposing this fraud and abuse? I thought exposure was the name of the game?
Moreover, if there is no dire need for secrecy on our part, then what is the motive for this concerted attack on Carey? Is it just left-over neurosis and rage looking for a target? Or is there some other reason why someone would want to have us all busy looking under the bed for this imaginary Scary Carey monster?
I swear to ya' yesterday an old friend asked me, in all seriousness, if it were true that I'd gone "pro WWASP". This was just a few minutes after I responded to the first post in this thread, "I might (though I wouldn't) just as easily post an anon message claiming that Susan Scheff or Ken Lay were unrepentant jaywalkers at some point in the past. Would you believe it? Would you care?"
How paranoid is that? Who wants us all to be scared of Carey and why do they want it?
It really puzzles me to see Marijuana connected with Narcotics - Dope and all that crap?it's a thousand times better than whiskey - it's an Assistant - a friend.
Louis Armstrong
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I had previously spoken well of Tom Burton while he represented me in Utah. The story doesn't end well with him and as he did with WWASPS and SAFE and another suit, he screwed up big time with me. he took $10k from me while I had to hound him constantly and politely and rewrite everything he did. He was consistently late and out of touch. The piece de resistance was getting another $10k bill from him for doing less than nothing - he left me in a very messy situation regarding a TRO, notice for which I never received, and it is too late to do anything about at this point.
He's a menace to our community and I was suckered in by his superficial kindness.[ This Message was edited by: hurleygurley on 2005-09-16 20:55 ]