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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 13, 2003, 08:25:00 PM
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contrary to what ol carey informs everyone about honesty on this board...she is a wwasps snitch.
she teamed up with them to move on up with the jeffersons to the east side. maybe that's how honest people make a living to save their homes. guess the bank job wasn't paying to well.
fact not fiction!
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now that we have your attention carey...try denying that you haven't been conversing with wwasps & or their legal beagles.
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Show me where and when I have been dishonest. Show me where and when I have lied. I have never been dishonest about my experience with you Anon, or with anyone else.
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are you a wwasps informer / snitch or not? then i'll know if you are honest or not.
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were you turned away at huron? then decided to help wwasps since no one would play with you?
carey sold her sole to the devil / wwasps...give us some answers miss honesty?
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What exactly does a WWASPS snitch do? I thought it was telling them something they didn't already know - seems to me all they would have to do is cruise the internet and see all the attacks you all write. Sounds a bit paranoid to me.
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Do you know what a snitch is? It is an informer. Yep, that is me, an informer. But then I believe in information. Information is what helps us to make better decisions. I have been informing people about what has happened to me from the very beginning...right here on a public forum and else where. I have been informing people privately who inquire. I have nothing to hide. I will tell what I know. If that scares you, and makes you paranoid, that is your problem, not mine.
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carey you are avoiding the question. did you contact wwasp or their legal reps to give them information? quit hiding ms. honesty...you said you had nothing to hide. tell the forum your a snitch, spence sold you out.
now i know it is NOT about honesty! you are NOT who you proclaim to be...you are a wwasps plant / snitch.
NOW how many children are going to benefit from you selling out?
i am NOT paranoid, bring them on. i unlike you can scrap with the big dogs...i don't have to sell out to pay for my mifortunes & endanger hundreds of children.
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Anon, I think I will just let you sit and wonder about what I have or have not done.
Go ahead do all the attacking you want to do. I have nothing to hide.
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We all know what youve done Carey.
Soon enough, it will be shouted from the roof tops.
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What? What have I done? Tell me what I have done.
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why sit and wonder? i'm not attacking you. i'm not wondering what you have or have not done.
you have yet to be honest and answer my question. if you have nothing to hide, why dance around it. are you affraid to tell everyone on fornits that YOU have bashed; the TRUTH NOW?
did you or did you not sell out to wwasps & their legal experts?
you continue to avoid the question. nothing to hide? honesty? where did it all go all of a sudden? spence won't let you talk now or what?
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Nobody tells me when or when not to talk. Nor does anyone tell me what or what not to talk about. Not now, not ever. Not even you Anon. But you can keep on trying if you would like. :grin:
But, if I have to go to court I will tell the truth, I will tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help me God.
Unfortunately, for alot of people on this site, my issues and my truth will be with Dundee, Amberly and all those who knew about what was going on at Dundee.
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carey, obviously you were asleep when you hit the send button and forwarded everyones personal / private email to wwasps and their lawyers?
please explain this to the good people here on fornits. remember honesty, accountability, along with everything else that spews out of your mouth.
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carey; it's called balled face lying in your parts of the country i think!
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I will ask again, when, where and what did I lie about? Pray tell...
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On 2003-10-13 19:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"carey, obviously you were asleep when you hit the send button and forwarded everyones personal / private email to wwasps and their lawyers?
please explain this to the good people here on fornits. remember honesty, accountability, along with everything else that spews out of your mouth."
Maybe a "passive" snitch! Anyone can come here and read what Carey and others have posted. Didn't Carey post those e-mails some time back?
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Is this about trekers? Is the cat out of the bag about trekers? What?
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Are these attacks on Carey coming from the PURE camp??
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EVERYBODY SHUTUP, make a start by exposing wwasps abuse and not carries worthless attention.
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folks; mainly carey, no this isn't PURE and quit answering your self with the anon posts.
the question stands ms. honesty; carey, obviously you were asleep when you hit the send button and forwarded everyones personal / private email to wwasps and their lawyers?
did you or did you not?
maybe you need to call spence and ask him if you can post your answer on fornits?
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carey's quest is not exposing wwasps or helping children.
carey's satisfied with exposing people who have helped save children. ms. honesty is actually a wwasps snitch who all of a sudden can't remember how to be honest.
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If someone wrote an e-mail (or a thousand) and it said things that weren't supposed to be public knowledge, slanderous or out of anger, etc., then it shouldn't have been done electronically (or at all) in the first place.
Didn't wwasps bust PURE for slander/defamation once before? Maybe the "get even" is back-firing again. :rofl:
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Who is Spence?
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people lets get to the truth of the matter...as carey states pray tell. fess up lady no ones attacking you...just a simple question has been asked.
the good people you had been sucking up to for the past eight months or more would like to know if you are speaking for spence or he is speaking for you? this ain't PURE, trekers, or anyone elses question...it's for carey.
let the cat out of the bag carey...answer the question, please.
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that's two questions now carey; did you? and who is spence?
folks ms. honesty all of a sudden has a lump in her throat she can't swallow nor answer the question...please be patient.
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I didn't ask the question of who is Spence to Carey. I asked it to those who have posted his name?
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please let carey explain who spence is. apparently, ms. honesty knows him very well.
first clue; he's kinda like bob barker / lets make a deal.
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the question stands ms. honesty; carey, obviously you were asleep when you hit the send button and forwarded everyones personal / private email to wwasps and their lawyers?
The answer to your question is NO I DID NOT "hit the send button and forward everyones personal and private emails to wwasp and their lawyers"!
Are you happy? Are you less worried? What...what is next?
Now go get back in your huddle and see what you can come up with next.
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carey...what happened to the truth? your not even close to it. spence rated you out like yesterdays trash.
you can honestly state you did not have contact with wwasps via phone, email, snail mail or any other form?
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You are so paranoid. Why? What is in any emails that you and I have had that would make you so paranoid Anon? Are there lies? Maybe I need to go back and read everything ever written on this topic in my filing cabinet to see if something was said that could be used against you. Who ever you are :smile:
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no huddle here, just me.
your accusations are way off base. before you start the whinning everyone's attacking you, stop. you bring 99.9% of the comments on yourself with the pity accountable act.
you are not any better off that anyone out here contrary to what you think.
you sold out all of the children to save your on ass and "do the carey thing". congratulations carey, just how many children did you personally help by selling out to wwasps. did it feel good to cash one of their checks to save the old home stead?
really carey was it worth it? tell that to all of the children who are receiving their education behind wwasp's walls.
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I have not cashed any check from WWASP. You better be careful with what you say. My opinions and beliefs are not for sale. Not to anyone. Your accusations are way off base.
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carey i ain't scared...you are the one who sent your file cabinet to wwasp, not me.
why should i be scared, of your spence file cabinet. i didn't get involved in wwasps legal battles...you did.
why did you get involved?
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carey your shit is spewed all over the internet, who in the world do you think you are kidding?
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who's asking, make yourself known.
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what, so you can spout and spew your accountability crap at me like you do karen and others.
no, i'll save mine for right time when it counts.
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carey just remember you are accountable for your actions as a parent as well. :nworthy:
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also as an adult in a court of law... :wstupid: :razz:
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i gues carey doesn't want to preach honesty or accountability tonight. maybe she wasn't in it for the children.
from the looks of it, she was just having it out with her ex at the expense of others?
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WHO here is in it for "the children?" It looks like most are in it for THEMSELVES! I find it fascinating that your children were out of control and you chose to get help from wwasps or another program and then when it didn't look the way you wanted it to, or you felt your little darlings were being abused (Hah!) you have to blame the program. Why blame anybody?? You didn't need WWASP, you needed a program where you would still be allowed to be in control, even though that didn't work before, you felt you could "change" your child by telling the school staff what they were doing wrong. When you all found that you couldn't control your child or the staff while IN the program, you took them out and told them how sorry you were for "doing that to them?" How long will you pay the price for that "mistake?" As long as the "victim" works on both sides, it could be a LONG time! Enjoy!
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sounds like wwasps mumbo jumbo to me. mayb you should solicit carey and get some of you visionary buddy's to pitch in so she doesn't lose the house.
or maybe when your kid comes home you an just ask them how club med was.
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WHO here is in it for "the children?" It looks like most are in it for THEMSELVES! I find it fascinating that your children were out of control and you chose to get help from wwasps or another program and then when it didn't look the way you wanted it to, or you felt your little darlings were being abused (Hah!) you have to blame the program. Why blame anybody?? You didn't need WWASP, you needed a program where you would still be allowed to be in control, even though that didn't work before, you felt you could "change" your child by telling the school staff what they were doing wrong. When you all found that you couldn't control your child or the staff while IN the program, you took them out and told them how sorry you were for "doing that to them?" How long will you pay the price for that "mistake?" As long as the "victim" works on both sides, it could be a LONG time! Enjoy!
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DITTO DITTO DITTO!!!!! You're hearing, but are you listening??????
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The only thing I am hearing is the sound of a wound-up program parent singing the same ole loony tune -- right on cue!
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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seems ms. honesty has some bones in her closet?
:smokin: :wave:
maybe she isn't who she says she is...why would you use someone elses ss#?
remember her statement; "i am honest and have nothing to hide." why did you not inform everyone of this?
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When have I ever used someone elses social security number. You people are really whacking out.
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Carey did you,or did you not give WWASP information? A simple question?
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Gee Carey - I thought it was what happened to your sons. Now, I understand - it's all about you carey. Guess what happened to your boys isn't formost in your thinking. . . how they offended YOU is what counts I guess.
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On 2003-10-13 21:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"WHO here is in it for "the children?" It looks like most are in it for THEMSELVES! I find it fascinating that your children were out of control and you chose to get help from wwasps or another program and then when it didn't look the way you wanted it to, or you felt your little darlings were being abused (Hah!) you have to blame the program. Why blame anybody?? You didn't need WWASP, you needed a program where you would still be allowed to be in control, even though that didn't work before, you felt you could "change" your child by telling the school staff what they were doing wrong. When you all found that you couldn't control your child or the staff while IN the program, you took them out and told them how sorry you were for "doing that to them?" How long will you pay the price for that "mistake?" As long as the "victim" works on both sides, it could be a LONG time! Enjoy!
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Who here is in it for the children? Not you, you sick fuck!
::puke::
You sadistic psycho! WWASP told the parents that if their kid is sometimes grouchy, tries new fashions, gets down in the mouth sometimes, breaks arbitrary rules (which may or may not be reasonable or reasonablly enforced), uses eyedrops, uses cleaning supplies (put out the APB on all those cleaning services!!!), uses cold medication, posesses 'nifty gadgets' (????), loses weight or grows into their weight and isn't bothered by it, or has a healthy appetite OR if the parent is sucking down more prozac than they think or is just a paranoid control freak who casts paranoid rants, disparagements and accusations against all the kid's friends, the kid might be carrying on a secret double life as a heroin addicted crack whore!
http://www.teenswithproblems.com/drugabuse.html (http://www.teenswithproblems.com/drugabuse.html)
Then, when you've got them thoroughly convinced that their kid is going to die, and weighed down with the chains of guilt over their failing as parents.
Those fucking snake oil salesmen make me sick! They reap millions by sowing seeds of doubt and paranoia between parents and children, psychologically abuse the parents, physically and psychologically torment the children while telling the parents they're getting 'help', and then they want to blame someone else for their sick behavior???
Why blame WWASP? I'm not blaming WWASP for anything. I'm just an interested observer. It's the former clients and parents who blame WWASP because they have been eye witnesses to the scam and the ongoing abuse.
What's the proper lingo here? Are you getting just what you intended? Shouldn't you look to change yourself before trying to change others? How much fun you must be having setting your victims against eachother! (sick fuck!)
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It's the former clients and parents who blame WWASP because they have been eye witnesses to the scam and the ongoing abuse.
:skull: The stupidity amazes me..... :???:
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The doublespeak continues to amaze me to this day.
If a kid or parent says they know to a certainty that they would be dead without the program and that, despite all the restrictions on communication, they're equally certain that no abuse has ever occured at any WWASP program, even the ones that have been shut down under investigation, that constitutes proof of absence of abuse.
However, eye witnesses, even those with visible scars and injuries or death, are all, by definition, full of shit!
The same PARENT who is faultless and angelic so long as they haven't spoken to their kid suddenly becomes a bad, vindictive and "weak" parent the moment this same person says something different from what WWASP used as proof of their "success" just the day before.
The defining difference between a spiteful lie and emperical evidence of truth seems to be entirely based on whether or not the statement is in favor or in criticizm of WWASP.
Now, I understand how a parent can get taken in by the really well developed scam they run on you. All's forgiven, come home. But I have a hard time understanding how or why you guys have resorted to the same kind of smear and attack tactics WWASPies (your former fellow group members) use when met with criticizm. How does that work? How are you folks different from WWASP?Why don't you get off that ride? Is it fun for you?
Don't laugh when you leave this courtroom, thinking you have beat the system because you have looked these things up yourself. We are going to get you down the road.
Washington Superior CourtJudge Rebecca Baker
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Anon,
So well stated.
Are we angry or what?
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On 2003-10-13 20:08:00, Carey wrote:
"I have not cashed any check from WWASP. You better be careful with what you say. My opinions and beliefs are not for sale. Not to anyone. Your accusations are way off base."
can this be considered a lie NOW...or did they pay cash for your hard drive info?
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Carey, will you please take the stand?
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Well, it has been made public record and is not confidential. Carey received $12,500.00 for her hard drive that she turned over to wwasp attorney's. She originally wanted a 100k for it and settled for 12,5K. This of her own admission in her deposition. She also ratted out Ginger as being her buddy that she speaks with frequently on the phone. That's not all she sang about Ginger. She sang about the back stabbing of ISAC. ::bigmouth::
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The court would now like to hear from wise-ass anon who posted on 2003-12-09 19:55:00 on the thread entitled, "What happened to Froderick?"
Stand your ass up and speak, anon, if you would be so kind...DUMBASS! :rofl:
Also, do you know what the square root of an isosceles triangle is? I didn't think so. HAHAHA! You fucking moron! :wave:
And, if you wouldn't mind, could you at least tell me whether you're male or female so that I can adjust further insults accordingly? Thank you, butthead. :lol:
[ This Message was edited by: Froderik13 on 2003-12-10 08:17 ]
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On 2003-12-10 08:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, it has been made public record and is not confidential. Carey received $12,500.00 for her hard drive that she turned over to wwasp attorney's. She originally wanted a 100k for it and settled for 12,5K. This of her own admission in her deposition. She also ratted out Ginger as being her buddy that she speaks with frequently on the phone. That's not all she sang about Ginger. She sang about the back stabbing of ISAC. ::bigmouth:: "
Man, I've been accused of som heinous crimes in my day. But being friendly and talking on the phone? That just takes the cake! How dare anyone accuse me of being a friend and talking on the phone!
Backstabbing ISAC? Please explain. Since all this is public record and, obviously, some of you have copies, I sure would like to see for myself what you're talking about. Nothing personal, but I really have a hard time taking your word for anything. Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones
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-The Beatles song-
Don't Let Me Down!
Don't run away now. Let's hash this bullshit out a little and get on with life...
[ This Message was edited by: Froderik13 on 2003-12-10 08:31 ]
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Regarding Carey: show us the public record, Anon. And while you're at it, how 'bout the details on the **preliminary injunction** against PURE? Isn't that in the public record, as well?
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Hey, what is wrong with Carey selling out one abusive referral serivce to another. From what I see, neither PURE or WWASP are with out some measure of responsibilty for the incarceration of children without due process of law.
Either one is part of the problem or one is part of the solution.
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Let me see - the question about "selling out one abusive referral service to another" is valid, but what was wrong was that she took POSTS FROM THIS SITE without asking anyone if they would mind or not, and turned them over to WWASP. She admitted this herself in the name of FOI. Pure crap is the general concensus on this move of hers. Plus she was evasive as the proverbial tar-baby when people were like, "Why?"
neither PURE or WWASP are with out some measure of responsibilty for the incarceration of children
Very true.
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On 2003-12-10 09:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey, what is wrong with Carey selling out one abusive referral serivce to another. From what I see, neither PURE or WWASP are with out some measure of responsibilty for the incarceration of children without due process of law.
Either one is part of the problem or one is part of the solution. "
Yeah, I don't see the harm in any of this, either. What I do see is someone (Carey) being held to a higher standard than is expected of an independent referral service like PURE or any other organization that profits from as anon says, "incarcerating children without due-process of law". These programs paying for referrals may not be breaking any laws, but something stinks to high heaven here!!!!
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No, I don't think anyone's payin $12.5k for the contents of this site. It's all public. Anyone can have all of it for free, or for the cost of enough hard drive space to store it.
What they paid for, as I understand it, was the content of the Trecker's list. That was a closed list. I don't know exactly what the content in question is. WWASP seems to think these folks infringed their trademark. I don't know. I may never know as it's all very hush-hush till the verdict comes in. And, as we all know, that's practically a crap shoot.
I am sick unto death of obscure English towns that exist seemingly for the sole accommodation of these so-called limerick writers -- and even sicker of their residents, all of whom suffer from physical deformities and spend their time dismembering relatives at fancy dress balls.
--Editor of the Limerick Times
(Limerick, Ireland)
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Thank you for that disclosure, Ginger. ISAC Anon?
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:silly:
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snitches liek carey are the reason for the continue of the nonsense of the schools THANKS BITCH I WAS THERE FOR 1 1/2 YEARS
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Huh?