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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: none-ya on December 04, 2010, 09:11:26 PM
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the gatekeeper wrote;
"the gatekeeper wrote:
I worked at a wilderness program"
Again it's the fox watching the henhouse. This needs to be discussed up front here!!
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=32069 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=32069)
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yeah dude, you are bang on. Let's get a group going and have a confrontation about this.
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Personally, I'd rather not have a man with a chain saw watching any gate I wanted to go through - but thats just me.
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Personally, I'd rather not have a man with a chain saw watching any gate I wanted to go through - but thats just me.
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Lets stand him up.
Lets make him be honest.
Lets get him out of his head.
Lets stop his conning.
And lets strip away his phony self impotance.
But alas we can do none of these things because his name is in green.
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“Alas†You actual say this as if this were regrettable?
None-ya, none of this can be done because we are not in program. We are (most of us) adults willingly participating in forum discussion not an encounter group or a rap. All of the denigration and endless random vitriol that is so evocative of program experience has waned recently. It may be boring to some, but I considered it change for the better.
BTW, does it influence your opinion of Gatekeeper’s role here to know that they were also at one point a kid in program?
How does this level system for the survivor strata work? Would those who spent a lot of time in the first row or as a shot down be more um, valid than anyone whose experience took them to status member or second stage or phase as the case may be?
I wonder if it might be easier to understand your actual grievance if you stated it without turning it in to ::poke:: . What is it that you take issue with: Gatekeeper having worked at a wilderness camp or specific instances where you feel moderation was undue or unjust or just moderation in general... what?
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Inculcated wrote
"BTW, does it influence your opinion of Gatekeeper’s role here to know that they were also at one point a kid in program?
No. not because (he/she) was in a program, but beeause (he/she) worked at one.
Not to mention (his/her) moderation technique sucks. moving,splitting, and outright deleting threads to suit (him/her)self.
Subjectively enforcing (his/ her) own rules,. Sending private threats and warnings to those you do not agree with is not the way of free speech, it is the language of the program. BTW, anybody know if it's he keeper or she keeper?
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and again my link has been deleted
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=32069 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=32069)
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Moderation...
Can we find another word, nothing here is of moderation. ;)
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(mr./mrs.) gatekeeper wrote;
Re: How To Give Negative Feedback Properly
Gatekeeper, you ignonant slut
How's that?
That was me quoting you, quoting Dan Akroyd.
Maybe it's your own failed attempt at humor that's got your panties in a wad.
Tell us where you worked! Tell us of the abuses you wittnessed or maybe even participated in. With all you know about fornits, do you really expect survivors to trust you anymore than they trust whooter?
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do you really expect survivors to trust you anymore than they trust whooter?
Hey, I resemble that remark.
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Gatekeeper, you ignonant slut
How's that?
Geez. I was gonna say, that sounds like a paraphrase of the opener in the article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=31812) in question:
"Jane, you ignorant slut." No one who heard Dan Ackroyd make that statement on the early Saturday Night Live shows had any doubt that he was about to strongly disagree with whatever Jane Curtin had just said...[/list]
Are people losing their sense of humor 'round here?
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Are people losing their sense of humor 'round here?
I'm tired of being tormented to hell, that's what I'm tired of.
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do you really expect survivors to trust you anymore than they trust whooter?
Hey, I resemble that remark.
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YES YOU DO!!
and no we don't
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Trollkeeper.What is your problem? Now that we know you are a program mole, I hope that kills off all the fun for you.
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I don't want to take out all the fun of the Synanon Game you are facilitating. :D
Who said anything about synanon? You sound like Whooter.
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Trollkeeper.What is your problem? Now that we know you are a program mole, I hope that kills off all the fun for you.
If I was in program mode I would put you on a full-time. :D
Is everybody reading this? Our moderator is ex program staffer. And proudly admitts it.
Please tell me I've been punked here.
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No, but you're kinda acting like one at the moment.
FWIW, this is not a new revelation. He's posted here for some time now
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I can appreciate your concern, None-Ya... but I will say that I often appreciate a former staffer who validates our experiences. It's not like it's Whooter.
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since when is it common knoledge that he was a program staffer?
And why would psy( whose opinions I respect) give the keeper that kind of juice? When his name went green,I thought he could be trusted. Guess I was wrong.
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since when is it common knoledge that he was a program staffer?
And why would psy( whose opinions I respect) give the keeper that kind of juice? When his name went green,I thought he could be trusted. Guess I was wrong.
None-ya, I don’t think the fact that he worked at a program automatically makes him untrustworthy. There are probably a lot of ex- staffers who found themselves employed in a program and because of how strongly they disagree with what occurred there they leave. Some do so and also speak out. Sometimes there are examples of this at the bottom of articles in the comments section.
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Inculated, I disagree. Angela Smith, mark babitz and now none-ya has jumped on the bandwagon. I've learned to lighten up on this issue. none-ya, IMHO, is using my work experience as leverage to further his/her agenda.
@Gatekeeper:Spell my name right or you get a warning and what agenda would that be?
@None-ya: Do you have an agenda? Do you think Gatekeeper has some secret agenda? If so, what would that be?
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trollkeeper
you took money from a program, and then question my agenda?
Boy that's some pair off balls
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and what matters far more than any of this ::poke::
More than twenty kids will be waking up to another Monday at Élan tomorrow morning. Hundreds of others will have encounter groups at Daytop to go through on Tuesday and on Wednesday some kid somewhere is going to be in unnecessary restraints (physical or chemical) because the staff are either untrained to do otherwise or the status quo of their work environment fosters such abuses as routine treatment .
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I don't give a shit how you spin things. Having an ex steffer moderate dialog betwween program survivors,is like having an ex nazi moderate dialog betwween holocaust survivors. It's a complete conflict of intest. And your attitude shows that this is true. Good people are leaving this site 1 by 1, and your kind won't happy until they're all gone. We are supposed to follow your rules, but we don't know anything about you? I call bullshit on that!!
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Is everybody reading this? Our moderator is ex program staffer. And proudly admitts it.
Please tell me I've been punked here.
You punked yourself. Gook was also on staff at a couple of places as was Dysfunction Junction. I was on pretraining for staff @ Straight when I split for the final time and the man who convinced me to set up a forum for program survivors in the first place was a parent who had put his son in Straight in Fairfax, Va.
Staff is just another phase of the program. The decisions to let someone moderate a forum have to do with things like their willingness to do it and our belief in their integrity and ability to keep themselves in check most of the time (which is all you can ask and more than you should expect of a human being). I don't put much stock into which walk-on part someone may have played in their particular episode of the Twilight Zone.
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Is everybody reading this? Our moderator is ex program staffer. And proudly admitts it.
Please tell me I've been punked here.
You punked yourself. Gook was also on staff at a couple of places as was Dysfunction Junction. I was on pretraining for staff @ Straight when I split for the final time and the man who convinced me to set up a forum for program survivors in the first place was a parent who had put his son in Straight in Fairfax, Va.
Staff is just another phase of the program. The decisions to let someone moderate a forum have to do with things like their willingness to do it and our belief in their integrity and ability to keep themselves in check most of the time (which is all you can ask and more than you should expect of a human being). I don't put much stock into which walk-on part someone may have played in their particular episode of the Twilight Zone.
Tiz true about the staff thing - unless it was someone hired off the street to staff the place - which is also common. And even so, such a one may have left in disgust and done what they can to expose the abuses. Or not. Whatever - I do hope people will take into consideration the requirement of time, ability and willingness of anyone offering to help with the forum.
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Having an ex steffer moderate dialog betwween program survivors,is like having an ex nazi moderate dialog between holocaust survivors.
Shindler was a high ranking Nazi in good standing when he did his thing and Solzhenitsyn was a high ranking Soviet officer on the day of his arrest.
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Tiz true about the staff thing - unless it was someone hired off the street to staff the place - which is also common. And even so, such a one may have left in disgust and done what they can to expose the abuses. Or not. Whatever - I do hope people will take into consideration the requirement of time, ability and willingness of anyone offering to help with the forum.
Wonder what ever became of Clarke Pool (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=16908&p=210298&hilit=clarke+pool#p210298)
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Staff were PAID for their participation.
There is a distinction there, though i don't know what to make of it.
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Inculcated wrote
"BTW, does it influence your opinion of Gatekeeper’s role here to know that they were also at one point a kid in program?
No. not because (he/she) was in a program, but beeause (he/she) worked at one.
Not to mention (his/her) moderation technique sucks. moving,splitting, and outright deleting threads to suit (him/her)self.
Subjectively enforcing (his/ her) own rules,. Sending private threats and warnings to those you do not agree with is not the way of free speech, it is the language of the program. BTW, anybody know if it's he keeper or she keeper?
The Gatekeeper is Joel.
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Staff were PAID for their participation.
There is a distinction there, though i don't know what to make of it.
Honestly, I think it's just a blind prejudice against anything involving financial gain. That's the weirdest thing about socialist philosophy; it treats making a living the same way the religious reich treats some other survival imperatives, like sex and euphoria.
Remember that money is only a marker for goods and deeds, not a thing of value in and of itself, even if it's gold or small shiny rocks clawed from the belly of the earth by hobbled Somalian slave children* .
We all got paid in one way or another for our various degrees and means of compliance, didn't we? Didn't you 7th Step? And so weren't you someone's oldcomer? Didn't you write in the OBS book?
Some people don't trust anyone who ever got off of first phase or even anyone who ever motivated. I get that. But where do you draw the line?
* allegedly synonymous with "love".
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No I am not without sin. The minute I held onto a beltloop as an oldcomer I gave up a little part of my soul. I could have resisted, but didn't when i did that. I don't point the finger at staff, as long as they acknowledge their sins (as I have done here, as an example).
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Tiz true about the staff thing - unless it was someone hired off the street to staff the place - which is also common. And even so, such a one may have left in disgust and done what they can to expose the abuses. Or not. Whatever - I do hope people will take into consideration the requirement of time, ability and willingness of anyone offering to help with the forum.
Wonder what ever became of Clarke Pool (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=16908&p=210298&hilit=clarke+pool#p210298)
He wrote a book called "The Last Run" (I believe) about his days a drug runner. He was a flyboy who imported the nose candy via small plane.
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Inculcated wrote
"BTW, does it influence your opinion of Gatekeeper’s role here to know that they were also at one point a kid in program?
No. not because (he/she) was in a program, but beeause (he/she) worked at one.
Not to mention (his/her) moderation technique sucks. moving,splitting, and outright deleting threads to suit (him/her)self.
Subjectively enforcing (his/ her) own rules,. Sending private threats and warnings to those you do not agree with is not the way of free speech, it is the language of the program. BTW, anybody know if it's he keeper or she keeper?
The Gatekeeper is Joel.
You may have mentioned that before (I don't have evidence that it's you but I think your writing may have given you away) viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31573 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31573) sort of like ya' mentioned Whooter's name 2,589 times.
Joel, in case you haven't figured it out yet, there are quite a few people here unhappy with you. It's because of your behavior. You use mod privileges to get rid of things you don't like, you taunt people and when they respond you try to ban them, you send PMs constatntly accusing people of things and generally talking out of your ass. This is why people don't like you, Joel. You're an asshole. It isn't that deep.
In my case you tried to ban me and it was immediately overturned by Psy who stated you don't even understand the rules. So now you get pissy with me because you don't know how to moderate. Whatever, man. You tried to get me banned, you lost, looked like an idiot and got embarassed. Deal with it and move on.
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No I am not without sin. The minute I held onto a beltloop as an oldcomer I gave up a little part of my soul. I could have resisted, but didn't when i did that. I don't point the finger at staff, as long as they acknowledge their sins (as I have done here, as an example).
Ok, I guess I should further sharpen my point; that being that we all also got something--got paid--for these things. My object from the gate was to do whatever I had to to get slight relief in the short term and my ass closer to the other side of the door in the long term. I tried to do this without compromising my own ethics and conscience. But I realized some time after that my ethics and conscience had been eroded by degrees along the way and that the program has crept into so many facets of the world outside the door that we're practically all in the program now. I used to have a recurring nightmare to this effect where my daughters were newcomers and I was trying to plot our escape and keep them out of the kool aid without their busting us all out. Not too far from reality these days.... anyway...
I don't see any real distinction between former staff, former parent group member and former oldcomer. We all got took about the same. Just that some realize it and others don't.
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And some got off on the whole power trip more than others... ::puke::
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Those are the ones that should not be trusted here!!!
Who gave the gatekeeper his authority here should reconsider that dicision.
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Trust is a barking chicken. :eek:
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Trust is a barking chicken. :eek:
Chickens Do bark. And hens, when taken off their roost at night, will eerily scream: Heeeelp me! Well, at least one does.
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Hey guys. I've been busy recently. Just saw the thread. The Gatekeeper can be trusted, and even If I couldn't trust him, he wouldn't be able to mess much up as he has few permissions, all moderator actions are logged, and there is an appeals process you can go through if you feel you have been unjustly warned or even informally warned. There is nothing to worry about. A good system has been built.
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and DJ. People learn, as gatekeeper is learning, as one does on a new job. You're being a bit cruel. Gatekeeper was in a program as a student/detainee first, btw.
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This is why people don't like you, Joel. You're an asshole. It isn't that deep.
Joel gains a lot more respect then you do even on his worse days, DJ, and most of the people understand how hard it is to do what he does. From PM's I have received over the years Joel is much more liked and respected than you are. Joel contributes to fornits on a daily basis by donating his time, you come and go at will and spend your day trying to disrupt it. The rules are defined and he is enforcing them. I have received many warnings from Joel too and when I exceeded my limit he notified me that I was being banned, I was able to plead my case but I don't take it personally because he doesn't have a choice if he is to do his job effectively and fairly.
I understand by my coming out and speaking my mind on this subject it may result in bringing more wrath against joel, but I thought this needed to be said.
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and DJ. People learn, as gatekeeper is learning, as one does on a new job. You're being a bit cruel. Gatekeeper was in a program as a student/detainee first, btw.
Then he should know better how to treat people that have been in the same boat. (please no hate responses from boat lovers). But how can someone who felt victimized by a program then willingly join the program? When people seek athority that's usually a pretty good caveat as to how they treat people in genaral. Hard to trust someone who made a living warehousing kids.I would have never bothered with this guy if he hadn't started screwing around with my posts in the first place. I don't post spam, or threats or personal information. Byond that he should let free speech run it's own course, before the good people that are left here are gone.That would be a BAD thing.
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and DJ. People learn, as gatekeeper is learning, as one does on a new job. You're being a bit cruel. Gatekeeper was in a program as a student/detainee first, btw.
I have no issue with Joel's past whatsoever. I have an issue with his using his moderation privileges as a cudgel to beat people up, which he does regularly. I also have a problem with his random slicing and dicing of threads or slicing and dicing based on what he does or does not want to hear.
The guy acts like a jerk and is unprofessional.
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This is why people don't like you, Joel. You're an asshole. It isn't that deep.
Joel gains a lot more respect then you do even on his worse days, DJ, and most of the people understand how hard it is to do what he does. From PM's I have received over the years Joel is much more liked and respected than you are. Joel contributes to fornits on a daily basis by donating his time, you come and go at will and spend your day trying to disrupt it. The rules are defined and he is enforcing them. I have received many warnings from Joel too and when I exceeded my limit he notified me that I was being banned, I was able to plead my case but I don't take it personally because he doesn't have a choice if he is to do his job effectively and fairly.
I understand by my coming out and speaking my mind on this subject it may result in bringing more wrath against joel, but I thought this needed to be said.
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But, coming from you, this means nothing. You're the biggest asshole here and absolutely every single person here despises you. Your opinions mean less than nothing, Whooter. No offense, but your just a big, fat lying asshole that nobody respects at all. That's reality, son.
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psy wrote;
"People learn, as gatekeeper is learning, as one does on a new job. You're being a bit cruel. Gatekeeper was in a program as a student/detainee first, btw.
Wonder what the learning curve was as a new employee at the program. I guess his time spent there was on the job training.
He brings the same skill set here? Humm....
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and DJ. People learn, as gatekeeper is learning, as one does on a new job. You're being a bit cruel. Gatekeeper was in a program as a student/detainee first, btw.
I have no issue with Joel's past whatsoever. I have an issue with his using his moderation privileges as a cudgel to beat people up, which he does regularly. I also have a problem with his random slicing and dicing of threads or slicing and dicing based on what he does or does not want to hear.
The guy acts like a jerk and is unprofessional.
Take a look at your last 50 posts, DJ, you spend your day attacking and disrupting the forum. You should try to get more involved in the discussions versus name calling and derailing threads. Any moderator would be frustrated having to clean up your mess everyday. Try to share some of your thoughts and experiences in some of the threads for a change. The forum could use your input and perspective.
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How about you just shut the hell up and mind your own business. We all agree you are an asshole, add no value and are a complete liar. My last 50 posts? How about your last 50 IDENTITIES? Let's face the facts: you are a loser with no life and live vicariously through Fornits. This is your sad existence. Worry about yourself, douche. Nobody cares about your opinion or thoughts here. You're just an unemployable loser with a fake, made up family who sits at a PC all day and all night every day and every night posting on Fornits. It's obvious you have no friends or real, flesh and bone family members. You just made all that up and everyone here knows that.
I fabricated a son
Lols. It never gets old.
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and DJ. People learn, as gatekeeper is learning, as one does on a new job. You're being a bit cruel. Gatekeeper was in a program as a student/detainee first, btw.
Then he should know better how to treat people that have been in the same boat. (please no hate responses from boat lovers). But how can someone who felt victimized by a program then willingly join the program? When people seek athority that's usually a pretty good caveat as to how they treat people in genaral. Hard to trust someone who made a living warehousing kids.
That's part of the mind-fuck, none-ya. I know a lot of people who fought tooth and nail to escape the program only to return soon after because it was the only place that felt like "home". It's a whole lot like the way a battered woman will continually return to her abuser even though she knows full well that he's fucking her up. It took gatekeeper a number of years to really examine the whole thing. My own brothers and sisters still are drinking the kool aid 30 years after the fact.
But it takes all kinds, brother. In order to tell this story, we need people from all roles to engage in the dialog. We must all hang together or we shall most assuredly hang separately.
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antigen wrote;
"But it takes all kinds, brother. In order to tell this story, we need people from all roles to engage in the dialog. We must all hang together or we shall most assuredly hang separately"
I have no problem with his side of the story( more or less). But i do have a problem with him trying to cencsor and edit my words. And for no good reason other than being an asshole.I know we all have issues,but you guys have left a troll in charge
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Ok gatekeeper where are you now that you have some real work to do? The offa box is being flooded by an impersonator, and yet you do nothing! you need to come up with a way to have free speech without the constnant flood of reposted quotes. You dump some of the spam,but not all of it. Since your watch began this place has gone to hell. Are you afraid of pissing off your friends the trolls and clones? DO YOUR JOB ![/size]
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I really think they need their own forum...now it's bleeding over into Feed Your Head! :timeout:
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Hey gatekeeper,
wassa matter no response?
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