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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Antigen on October 10, 2003, 11:11:00 AM
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Serious question.
I've heard rumors that Ken and possibly some others have been seriously threatening people with bodily harm for posting to this forum. They're not saying it as "I'm gonna ____ if you do____". It's more indirect, as in "You might get hurt if you do."
Now, aside from Ken's indirect sort of intimidation, has anyone gotten any credible threats or actual retribution?
The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently invented a very good name and now I am looking for a suitable language.
-- D. E. Knuth, 1967
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Ginger, that's just crazy.
Ken has never made any kind of threat to anyone.
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no, no threats made to me. but hey is that u anonymously posting ken??
SyN
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This is so out there in left feild I cant even address it............. Hey Mike how are you?
Darkangel
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On 2003-10-10 08:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger, that's just crazy.
Ken has never made any kind of threat to anyone."
HI KEN!!!
:wave:
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Like I said, it didn't sound to me like a direct threat on his part. Sounded more like a strong suggestion that "somebody" would hurt people who post here. Now, was he talking about emotional pain due to all the arguing? Was he talking about Marty and Jeff calling in favors? What exactly does he mean by that? I don't know.
Sounds to me like the silly bastard is just playing with people's heads, like he gets off on pretending he's still on staff at Elan. But then again, maybe not. Maybe there is a real danger to former Elan residents in speaking out about what they saw while they were there.
I understand that Kenny Boy just banned a whole lot of people from Elanalum last night. I want all of ya'll to understand that you don't need Ken nor Elanalum or me or Fornits to stay in touch with whomever you damned well please and to talk about whatever you want to talk about.
If you haven't got it already, get AOL Instant Messenger (you don't have to use AOL for access, it's a freebie for anyone with any kind of net access) or get Yahoogroups Instant Message chat client. Both of these services do group chat. You can exchange email addresses through private messages here in this forum or set up a temporary anon email with Hotmail or something to swap contact info and arrange times for planned chat sessions or just keep each other in your buddy lists and shoot the shit whenever you want to.
You're not in Elan anymore, folks! You don't need anyone's permission to speak freely. Lightening will not strike you dead if you say things that Ken, Jeff and Marty don't want you to say. Especially if you're not using Ken's forum to say them and so he has NO clue who's saying what to whom.
The right of self-defense is the first law of nature . . and when the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.
--St. George Tucker, in his edition of Blackstone's Commentaries
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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im good darkangel how have you been?
SyN
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thats why we love you antigen. :smile:
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hell yeah
Antigen Rocks :tup:
Paul
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Hi Ken , is the Rogain working????
Paul how do you type at fornits with bigger fonts?I cant seem to change my fonts to a different size.
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Nazi
it is HTML coding, like one would use to make a website
HI KEN
Take the "*"'s out of whta I just wrote, and there s the formula.
in the beginning of the script that you wnat to enlarge..
and..
at the end
but you have to take the "*" out.
Peace, man,
Paul St. John
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Fuck.. didn t work.. I ll send you in email
Paul
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HI KEN
Note there's a "disable html" checkbox in the list between the text box where you type your message and the buttons at the bottom.
Here's a fairly good tutorial on html.
http://www.cwru.edu/help/introHTML/toc.html (http://www.cwru.edu/help/introHTML/toc.html)
Forget about the advanced CGI and forms stuff. You won't need it for what you're doing, but you'll know where to find it if you ever do. Just check out chapters 3 - 7.
Also, you can always hit the edit button on other people's posts to crib from their posts. You won't be able to save the message unless it's yours. But you can peek and it's considered more than polite conduct in most of Cyberia.
"A multitude of laws in a country is like a great number of physicians, a sign of weakness and malady." --Voltaire, philosopher (1694-1778)
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
http://fornits.com/anonanon (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
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I personally think that elan might be a front for drug-running, money laudering, or racketteering. Probably all three. That might be why they are so damn cheap; if we were on medications, they'd always switch to generics, we had cheap razors and shampoo, the list goes on. I remember one girl saying that if this place was so expensive, where does all the money go? Why were we living on the cheap, with the house in disrepair and furniture that you could cut yourself on while Claire and Tania drove Jaguars, a car that my parents could not afford, and my family is by no means poor. There were repeated "mistakes" in accounting, and with other families besides mine, and of course the errors were always in THEIR favor. They tried to keep me longer so that they could make more money when I was scheduled to start college at a very good school, on the pretext that I -probably one of the most anti-Elan people of all times- was to go through "re-entry." They always encourage parents to disown their children if they sign out, and since many of these students are middle class, they often graduate just to go to college. One girl I know was forced to return to Elan when her parents disowned her because she needed synthriod - a medication for people without a thyriod, so it might have been life-threatening if she did not return to Elan. Joe Ricci also owned a racetrack, which is strange because most theraputic school owners do NOT own racetracks. Not only did Joe Ricci bear a curious resemblance to a member of the Italian Maffia (complete with gold chains), but he was also caught with coccaine at least twice, and in quanties too large for personal use. Many of the staff in charge have no college degrees, and one of the popular and effective staff members was never promoted when all the others were, most likely because he was black. There was also a boxing ring which was used as a punishment. I am sure that this is illegal in all fifty states, and someone was heavily bribed. They only modify their program when they are under investigation, but are never forced to close their doors. Some politicians are probably being bribed. Its location is in Maine, not a very important or populous area of the country. Elan would not allowed to remain open in a state like New York or California, because it would get too much attention. One staff member repeatedly said that we could not sue Elan by law, which I know not to be true. I think many people do not want to deal with the litigation process, having to relive painful memories, they admitted to something in groups that they don't want people finding out, or they just simply don't have the money and leisure time to sue Elan. And since Elan is so well-protected legally in the state of Maine, many people feel that Elan will get off once again.
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On 2003-11-23 18:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I personally think that elan might be a front for drug-running, money laudering, or racketteering. Probably all three. That might be why they are so damn cheap; if we were on medications, they'd always switch to generics, we had cheap razors and shampoo, the list goes on. I remember one girl saying that if this place was so expensive, where does all the money go? Why were we living on the cheap, with the house in disrepair and furniture that you could cut yourself on while Claire and Tania drove Jaguars, a car that my parents could not afford, and my family is by no means poor. There were repeated "mistakes" in accounting, and with other families besides mine, and of course the errors were always in THEIR favor. They tried to keep me longer so that they could make more money when I was scheduled to start college at a very good school, on the pretext that I -probably one of the most anti-Elan people of all times- was to go through "re-entry." They always encourage parents to disown their children if they sign out, and since many of these students are middle class, they often graduate just to go to college. One girl I know was forced to return to Elan when her parents disowned her because she needed synthriod - a medication for people without a thyriod, so it might have been life-threatening if she did not return to Elan. Joe Ricci also owned a racetrack, which is strange because most theraputic school owners do NOT own racetracks. Not only did Joe Ricci bear a curious resemblance to a member of the Italian Maffia (complete with gold chains), but he was also caught with coccaine at least twice, and in quanties too large for personal use. Many of the staff in charge have no college degrees, and one of the popular and effective staff members was never promoted when all the others were, most likely because he was black. There was also a boxing ring which was used as a punishment. I am sure that this is illegal in all fifty states, and someone was heavily bribed. They only modify their program when they are under investigation, but are never forced to close their doors. Some politicians are probably being bribed. Its location is in Maine, not a very important or populous area of the country. Elan would not allowed to remain open in a state like New York or California, because it would get too much attention. One staff member repeatedly said that we could not sue Elan by law, which I know not to be true. I think many people do not want to deal with the litigation process, having to relive painful memories, they admitted to something in groups that they don't want people finding out, or they just simply don't have the money and leisure time to sue Elan. And since Elan is so well-protected legally in the state of Maine, many people feel that Elan will get off once again."
Very interesting theory. As for the furniture, did anyone know that all the furniture that housed Elan's building's, mainly the residents buildings, was made in prison? Which would also mean that it was either purchased at an extremly low low price or donated to them.
The bunkbeds were donated from old US military surplus. I think the only thing they purchased were those cheap sundries, ie soap, tooth paste.
Though I do beleive in elan 3's attic, which btw was locked off and off limits to us students, has a gold mine of old things stored in it. I remeber seeing some antique furniture, along with an old rifle that ofcoarse was inoperatable, along with other odd things that a modern day collector might find value in.
I was in the attic on dozens of occassions, many times without staff being present. They actaully could've made another dorm out of it which was once in discussion for higher strength to accomodate.
I recently wrote a small peice on how Sat. nite shotdowns lost movie privs and had to GI. We used to dump buckets and buckets of mop buckets of water all over the dining room floor. The water would run off down vents and into the baseboards. I can only imagine the structural damage we caused. This tradition started far before my arrival.
Also forgot to mention about the stories of the hunter that hung himself up there, and how his ghost haunted E-3. I think the story goes that you could hear his ghost walking around up there.
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attack? Who is being attacked...
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I believe the person means Attic
Look the education I got from elan was a joke and I misspell all the time.In my opinion to say elan school is as oxymoronic as saying lollipop pizza.
lets not make spelling an issue
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On 2006-03-05 12:40:00, Matt C. Hoffman wrote:
"I believe the person means Attic
Look the education I got from elan was a joke and I misspell all the time.In my opinion to say elan school is as oxymoronic as saying lollipop pizza.
lets not make spelling an issue "
Last time I checked attic has always been spelled ATTIC, what are you all babbling about?
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babble
That word has your picture next to it Nazi
This is quite the game for you isnt it? Or is it you take your meds some day but not others.Your a freak
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To get back to this thread or TOPIC ..If anyone knows how to get in touch with Diane V. Debe44 I think is how she sighned in ...I believe she had a very interesting (alright frighting )experience that happened everytime she tried to post .
What i am refering to is that some one was monitering the whose on line area and when Diane signed in and started to post she would recieve a phone call from another person stating that they did not think that this was a good for her to be doing .
that to me is very threatening .
Diane told me about this ...I would like to get Diane to get in touch with me ...
Thank you
Matt
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On 2006-03-05 14:33:00, Matt C. Hoffman wrote:
"To get back to this thread or TOPIC ..If anyone knows how to get in touch with Diane V. Debe44 I think is how she sighned in ...I believe she had a very interesting (alright frighting )experience that happened everytime she tried to post .
What i am refering to is that some one was monitering the whose on line area and when Diane signed in and started to post she would recieve a phone call from another person stating that they did not think that this was a good for her to be doing .
that to me is very threatening .
Diane told me about this ...I would like to get Diane to get in touch with me ...
Thank you
Matt "
Well I guess you would just have to add 2 and 2 together. If Ken has her digits maybe it would make sense, but I find it hard to beleive that he would do something like that, or would he?
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I havnt heard from Diane in about a year now I too just would like to know shes ok,Last time we talked was after Lynn K. passed away, who I hope is at peace what a great person she was...
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I have been threatend physically by jordan, via PM. TO quote. "im gonna rip your arms off and beat you with them." it was a while back but i never erased it. Do you want a copy matt? are you gathering info or something?
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On 2006-03-06 05:52:00, SyN wrote:
"I have been threatend physically by jordan, via PM. TO quote. "im gonna rip your arms off and beat you with them." it was a while back but i never erased it. Do you want a copy matt? are you gathering info or something?"
syn , this topic is old, it was initially asked by Ginger whether or not if there was any credibility to Ken threatening members over at fornits.
I cant recall if I ever heard that saying "i'm gonna rip your arms off and beat you with them", pretty humorous if you ask me. Dont knwo what your situation is with him, but this has nothing to do with what you thought it had.
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threat is a threat, like a uck is a duck. didnt know it was an old topic though. my n jordan got over it, he's just as hotheaded as i am.
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LIKE THIS!
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Serious question.
I've heard rumors that Ken and possibly some others have been seriously threatening people with bodily harm for posting to this forum. They're not saying it as "I'm gonna ____ if you do____". It's more indirect, as in "You might get hurt if you do."
Now, aside from Ken's indirect sort of intimidation, has anyone gotten any credible threats or actual retribution?
The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently invented a very good name and now I am looking for a suitable language.
-- D. E. Knuth, 1967[/quote
:shamrock: :shamrock:
This is what we have Antigen back in 2003 I guess stating, fat little (I could not even get out of my way) Ken making threats of physical violence towards folks twice his size. Antigen please get to know the players at Elan aside from your current sources.
Danny
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Actually, when that whole story unraveled it turned out that some of the people involved in a particularly brutal GM on Jennifer Stamler believed that she had actually died as a result and that they had been participants and or wittesses to to murder. Some other ass clowns thought it would be funny as hell to insinuate that Ricci's and Kruglak's (et al) "associates" might do harm to anyone who didn't keep their mouths shut about it. Baby Face Nelson was a rolly polly little fucker too. Perfectly harmless, huh?
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we all heard rumors all the time about dead residents, it was sort of used in trying to scare us into behaving at times.
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No, no. I mean that people who were posting at the time just a few years ago said they had received threats after posting about some of these incidents.
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Actually, when that whole story unraveled it turned out that some of the people involved in a particularly brutal GM on Jennifer Stamler believed that she had actually died as a result and that they had been participants and or wittesses to to murder. Some other ass clowns thought it would be funny as hell to insinuate that Ricci's and Kruglak's (et al) "associates" might do harm to anyone who didn't keep their mouths shut about it. Baby Face Nelson was a rolly polly little fucker too. Perfectly harmless, huh?
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Touche,
I spoke to soon without looking into why you posted this but this Ken dude is not (baby face nelson).
He was a misplaced piece of furniture that everyone identified as awkward, goofy and made fun of. I am not intentionally trying to condescend here it is just my perception of the man and how he was related to.
Danny
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No, no. I mean that people who were posting at the time just a few years ago said they had received threats after posting about some of these incidents.
:shamrock: :shamrock:
I did understand that, I just could not believe it was Ken doing this. My hunch from reading alot of posts from that time was posters screwing with one another in a very dangerous way.
Danny
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Actually, when that whole story unraveled it turned out that some of the people involved in a particularly brutal GM on Jennifer Stamler believed that she had actually died as a result and that they had been participants and or wittesses to to murder. Some other ass clowns thought it would be funny as hell to insinuate that Ricci's and Kruglak's (et al) "associates" might do harm to anyone who didn't keep their mouths shut about it. Baby Face Nelson was a rolly polly little fucker too. Perfectly harmless, huh?
:shamrock: :shamrock:
Without a doubt one of the worst times in Elans history, Dr. Davidson allowed his niece to be butchered. Very sad.
Danny