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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Paul St. John on October 08, 2003, 09:22:00 PM
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It is far worse. The final yoke.
In Ken's you are NOT ALLOWED to talk about Elan.
Follow me...
You are ONLY ALLOWED to talk about Elan people.
In other words, Ken has burnt the bridge between what Elan has done to you, and your road to fixing it!
There is no Elan.. There is NO CAUSE, BUT YOU are still an Elan person.. no way home.
Thank you,
Paul St. John
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You aren't an Elan person Paul. Ken is.
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On 2003-10-08 19:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You aren't an Elan person Paul. Ken is."
.. guess that's why the SOB has already taken my
post, down... not that I am that suprised really,
but I did go out of my way to keep the post,
strictly, within his guidelines.
What the fuck is an Elan-person really?
I went to Daytop.. Thye considerred themselves
Daytop people.. same fucking program different
name. The way I see it, there is no such thing
as a Daytop person, or an Elan person.. There
are only people. Elan don t make a person fucking
specail, and as long as someone thinks so...
eh what the fuck do I care?
Paul
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Ken has added this to his stupid message board:
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Great job Paul, you are starting to get on Ken's nerves.Perhaps we can make this man shut down his pro elan site.Keep up the good work.
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He has always had that there there.
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Paul, I couldn't agree with you more. I have extensive personal experience with The Seed and with Straight, Inc. and some fairly comprehensive knowledge of a lot of Synanon based programs. Not only are the programs all based on the same method (the same method used to break down American POWs in Korea, BTW, and to indoctrinate Germany's youth) but the money trails intersect in very significant ways.
Elan survivors, all by themselves, are probably never going to get any real satisfaction or justice in this matter because they're only focusing on a few of the bit players in this scandal. Joe Ricci was, by all accounts, a sadistic and psychotic megalomaniac just like Art Barker and Chuck Deiterich. So then, how come Bobby DuPont with his PhD in social anthropology sought out personalities like these and dropped millions in funding on them specifically to spread the Synanon method throughout the land? How come the courts and law enforcement, instead of crushing these sick little torture chambers, have steadfastly supported and protected them at every turn?
The complicity in this goes well beyond the state of Maine. I really wish ya'll would come to terms with the fact that Elan is not an isolated experience. Just read up on some of the other forums on this server, follow some of the links and you'll see all the connections. If we throw in, I sincerely believe that sooner or later we'll come up with the right combination of legal talent, documentation and receptiveness on the part of the public to make the politicritters as frightened of affiliation with Synanon based cults as they already are of Scientology.
Every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid. To deny this, would be to affirm, that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers, may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid."
--Alexander Hamilton
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What was it you all say if ya dont like it dont go there........... Well seems fitting to me having a hissie about Kens site isnt going to help anyone with anything...... And ELan was ELan not daytop concept might run close but no dice.What is it they say close only counts in horse shoes
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hissie??? bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ha.
o god thanks for the laugh.
SyN
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On 2003-10-09 18:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What was it you all say if ya dont like it dont go there...........
I go there to learn :smile:
Well seems fitting to me having a hissie about Kens site isnt going to help anyone with anything......
A hissie, huh? How do you know what is gonna help? What have you done? My objevctive is my own. I don't give two shits if I am an Elan person, or not.. Can you handle that? What's your sudden interest?
And ELan was ELan not daytop concept might run close but no dice.
Okay... How's this? I don t give a shit.
What is it they say close only counts in horse shoes
What is it they say? "Anonymous assholes piss Paul off."
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I found this kinda funny down at Ken's site.
There's this guy Doug right.. He's all for defending the program when people say negative shit about it. People can have their opinion omn him, but I have been observing him, and I can tell ya, that he has his investments in the program, and they ain't the type that return anything positive
.. so anyway, to one of his "in defense of the program posts", Syn responds, and one of the main ideas about behind what Syn is saying is " Who are you Doug?"
Ken responds to Syn' s reply.. with these words, and these words only..
" He is one of us, Maichael"
Fucking Classic!!
Excuse My Hissie! :smokin:
Paul St. John
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What about just people? Cause that's what I am , and that's how I veiw everyone else too.
I may have not have been a resident of Elan, but I
am a resident of this Earth, and Elan happens to be on this earth, so it falls within my jurisdiction.
Paul
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On 2003-10-08 19:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You aren't an Elan person Paul. Ken is."
What the hell, exactly is meant by this?
Paul
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On 2003-10-09 07:39:00, nazi wrote:
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Great job Paul, you are starting to get on Ken's nerves.Perhaps we can make this man shut down his pro elan site.Keep up the good work."
One way or another, I know that I am getting on Ken's nerves, which was my hope. As far as "good work", that goes for all of us.
TTYlater Nazi,
Paul
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I got a feeling everything falls in your jurisdiction............. no matter how hard you try or wanna be your not ELan sorry my friend why dont ya go find some daytop ppl and start a group of your own
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Help yourself frist then work on the rest.
And dont matter to me one bit if ya give a crap or not......... Once again your not Elan and never will be give it up my own little hissie here
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On 2003-10-10 02:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I got a feeling everything falls in your jurisdiction............. no matter how hard you try or wanna be your not ELan sorry my friend why dont ya go find some daytop ppl and start a group of your own"
LOL!! I think that I am starting to get what your deal is idiot. It has nothing to do with me. You just feel that you are part of a very exclusive group. You feel that you have not yet gotten due credit for how great you are for having to go with Elan.. Let me see.. maybe I can help you out, and then you will leave me alone.
I write this for you..
Oh, yes, we love him,
cause he is from Elan,
He is the best,
Anonymous Alum.
He is from Elan,
and you are not,
Give this boy a hand,
He smoked too much pot.
He is so specail,
Yes, me homeboy be,
He was busy dropping guilt,
while you were climbing trees.
Noone,
will ever be just like him,
And Daytop sux cock,
But Elan does not.
This man is unique,
Yes, give this man a hand,
He got trapped in the woods,
where he scrubbed pots and pans.
He will protect Elan,
'til the day of his death,
They taught him how to spy and lie,
and get him off of meth.
Yes, I really mean this,
Yes, this man,
has earned it,
A moneky-Boy for ......... Marty Kruglik,
who taught him to....... handle a rubber dick.
The End
Hope you feel better now. You are the rubber dick sucker around here, and I will never try to take that away from you.
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kiss my pretty black ass!!!!!!!!
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How 'bout I just have Marty shove his head
up your pretty black ass?
Will that be sufficient?
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lol damn i can play soooooooooo well come here baby kiss my big black ass once you go black youll never go back
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damn I play sooooooo well c'mere baby kiss my big balck ass as they say once ya go black ya never go back...............
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Ken won't dignify you crazy people by posting to this forum himself. And he'd be mad if he found out I did. But I just have to stick up for the guy here!
Here's a real song recorded in a real barn that Ken wrote and sung himself to his last girlfriend, a very, very recent Elan graduate who's still giving of herself and working on staff.
http://fornits.com/sounds/better_than_i_am.m3u (http://fornits.com/sounds/better_than_i_am.m3u)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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LMAO
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LMAO
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So sick to death about hearing about that sick ffffffff so called school and all the head messing that goes with it! What is the major malfuntion?it should be shut down. End of story and there should be a full investacation.So full of rage and confusion. :flame: :flame:
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That made my day,Lmao :wave:
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We all have a common bond.why does it matter what place you went to? Me Im from hell does that mean I cant have a voice.New topics coming up soon.those of you who keep attacking people who are not from Elan.Im going to give you something to really reply about.those of you who support those up in maine go, feel sorry for your sick condition.Go seek help.
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Free2Bme14, that's my interest in Elan.
I'll tell you this. A few years back, I spent a lot of time reading and posting to Ken's forum. I wasn't doing it to make trouble or to start fights. I wanted to compare notes with former Elan students.
That, of course, is taboo over there. Ken will tolerate NO discussion on the similarities or connections between Elan and other Synanon based programs. The only acceptable position is that Elan is entirely Unique in the universe, so no outsiders are welcome under any circumstances. Even from one individual to another, according to house rules, the Elan experience is entirely unique. Therefore, there can be no coherant discussion about it, even among ppl who were there for years together (and, of course, were not permitted to speak freely and candidly at the time).
So that's why I opened this forum. Of all the people who take an interest in these programs from all different perspectives, some few of us weirdos are actually interested and intrigued by all the complex goings on in the background.
I want to know these things and for other folks to be able to find out if they're interested. Where did the idea come from? Who ponied up the dough to get it started? What was it like for residents? How much of what you experienced was and is now going on in various warehouses, storefronts, boarding schools and outdoor programs accross the country and oversease? Who's getting all the money and what are they doing with it? What are the long-term adverse effects that many of us have in common? Have there every been any clinical studies? Informal studies? Is there a similar precident in history that we can draw on for insight?
Now, for most of the past 20+ years, I took very much the same attitude as some of the folks at Elanalum. The Program was a horrible and horribly long chapter ripped out of my life. I was glad to be able to walk away and never really wanted to 'process my feelings' or 'figure out my ...' whatever! No need for it, as far as I was concerned. I just went on with my life and have gotten pretty much everything I went after.
But I did get curious and, just a few years ago, had to look under the bed, just to make sure there were no boogie monsters. But there were and there are. I could live comfortably and happily knowing that there are weird little abusive cults scattered about all of human culture. This has always been true, and yet life is very much worth living; always has been.
But I came upon some things that I really don't want to accept and that I don't feel any of us should have to accept. That is that from the cop-on-the-street and schoolpeople all the way up to the Whitehouse and the UN, there is stayed support for THIS particular 'treatment' model.
The gulag where I was held for two years, Straight, Inc., morphed into several organizations, including the politically powerful Drug Free America Foundation. The crack-pots who established and ran these programs were not acting alone. They had funding and protection from the National Institute on Drug Abuse (an institute of the National Institutes of Health)
These folks continue to invest heavily in public policy which forces you and me, the tax payors (even if you don't earn an income, we all pay these taxes) to pay for things like "helping" major league allstar, Darryl Strawberry, who is currently serving prison time in Florida for unauthorized sex.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/0313/1350789.html (http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/0313/1350789.html)
The man is like 40 damned years old! What business is it of ours what kinds of drugs he likes to use or the details of the man's sex life? This is therapy? I at least admire his wife for not contributing to the public discourse on this very private matter.
Now comes Rush Limbaugh, the latest poster boy for the disease model. If he really had any sack or prescience, he'd have taken the oportunity to become the newest poster boy against the DEA/DOJ war on pain management. But, alas, Rush is not a hero. He only plays one on talk radio. At the bottom line, he seems to have gone with the highest bidder, just as one would expect.
These things disturb me greatly and I want to get to the bottom of it. DFAF (mentioned above) say they get around 30% or more of their funding from the Federal government. What they don't say is that they also get billions in private sector money as a result of mandated piss testing, DARE and Peer Counseling programs mandated in the schools, mandatory treatment (as in Operation PAR in the Tampa area). Their faithful lobby, law enforcement, get's more untold billions every year from property forfeiture laws and policies that DFAF and their allies have bought and paid for. Those 1-800-BEA-SNITCH anonymous tip hotlines? You guessed it, they've got tentacles in that scheme too.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil ---in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer!"--Thomas Paine, Common Sense
It is absolutely unacceptable to me that these people are taking my earnings by force to turn the world my children have to live in into the Program for the masses; prison without walls.
I'm a real live and let live kind of gal. I'd be very happy with just having left the cult in my dark and strange past and move on to bigger and better things. And I'll do that, too, just as soon as I'm fairly well assured that these sadistic Nazi bastards are getting not one red cent and not one free pass from the government I pay to protect me and mine.
That's my interest in this in more than a nutshell. Speak gently! 't is a little thing Dropp'd in the heart's deep well; The good, the joy, that it may bring Eternity shall tell.
-- G. W. Langford: Speak gently.
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get real! Ken ant got the balls!
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Elan Person? Wow! do a get a medal.This is the Real world get into reality isnt that what we were taught.My next door neighbor can come here in jump in. Freedome of speach.Get a life or should I say get your own personality.and stop being an Elan ass kisser.What did staff ever do for you who keep saying Elan people.To me they are nothing but sick junkies who came out sick on children.There are no excuses.hey Marty cant wait to get started with you.Been waiting a long time for you to STAND RIGHT THERE!I am not sick nor to I feel anyone here is sick. We are the healthy ones.
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Verbally of coarse, Im not violent and I am of sound mind .Thank you very much. :wave:
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You're welcome Dee!
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How did you manage to post at precisely -2003-10-12 13:14:00 Just think, if you had done it last month, an hour and one minute earlier and 14 seconds later, it would almost be perfect!
:nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
We are not worthy!
:rofl: Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.
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Thats ignorant talk! really wants to make me throw up!
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ThATS NOT FUNNY AND ITS NOT ME.
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I just wanna stae again for the record, that someone is fucking around these boards.. My personal recpomendation is not to trake anything seriously that is posted anonymously, or at least, ya know.. give it some thought first..
The past couple of days there has definatly been someone here attempting to piss people off and divide the people who post on this site.. At the moment this peron/s seems to be targetting Dee..
Well, you all can think for yourself no doubt, but just wanted to give a heads up!
Paul St. John
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give ya one guess who it is paul.
SyN
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Yeah.. I kinda figurred that.
Paul
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KEN ZARETSKY
:wstupid: :wstupid: :wstupid: :wstupid:
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On 2003-10-12 12:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"get real! Ken ant got the balls!"
Are you kidding?
I LOVE KEN'S BALL
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AND so does JEFF GOTTLIEB, and CLAIRE WOODMAN!
So don t be telling me that Ken has got no balls!
The whole staff here will testify to the fact that Ken has
:flame: :flame:
GREAT BALLS OF FIRE!
Well, at least.. that's what we tell Ken.
As long as he beleives that, we always got an excuse for SUCKing them.
:skull: Mr. Marty Kruglic :skull:
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Dude that is way too funny "krudick", man I cant stop laughing Paul.I'm gonna attempt to top you on this one.
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When Ken comes to visit us both Marty Krudick and myself love sucking on Ken.s balls.I also allow Ken to eat shit from my ass.