Fornits
General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: DannyB II on June 05, 2010, 08:55:23 PM
-
Wow, Just the tip of the iceberg?
According to a draft report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, in compliance with the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by President Bush, between 6 percent and 10 percent of public school children across the country have been sexually abused or harassed by school employees and teachers.
Extrapolating data from the latter, she estimated roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a school employee from a single decade—1991-2000. That compares with about five decades of cases of abusive priests.
Such figures led her to contend "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."
Some of the most recent cases of school sexual abuse include the following:
• In 2002, a California high school teacher ran off to Las Vegas with one of her 15-year-old students;
• The same year, a Louisiana teacher was accused of having an affair with a 14-year-old student;
• In the Bronx, one teacher was charged with the statutory rape of a 16-year-old former student;
• In March, a 20-year-old Anderson, Ind. choir aide was charged with allegedly raping a 16-year-old female student—the two had a consensual relationship for three months before the girl asked to break it off;
• A week earlier, an Indianapolis Public Schools substitute was caught having sex with a 15-year-old student in a vacant classroom;
• A Washington state teacher was convicted of 10 counts of sexually exploiting minors by persuading them to pose nude for him—he then uploaded some of the images to a Web site;
• Also in Washington, state officials say 159 coaches of girls sports have been fired or reprimanded over the last decade for sexual misconduct;
• An investigation found more than 60 instances in the last four years of Texas high school and middle school coaches losing jobs as a result of allegations of sexual misconduct.
Link (http://http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/5/01552.shtml)
...
Thanks good info....
Danny
-
Debunked (http://http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126385,00.html)
Fox News pointing out obvious flaws (and believe me, when FOX FUCKING 'NEWS' sees the obvious flaws..) in some dumb bitch's gross misuse of statistics, which was seized upon by Newsmax to protect the Catholic Church, because she was dumb enough to mis-cite a report from feminists and ended up conflating teachers' harassment with teenage boys'.
Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls...
-
Pile ... thank you once again!
-
Pile ... thank you once again!
What can I say? A little bit of skepticism and a little bit of Googling goes a long way.
If a hundred, or sixty, or hell even ten kids in an average thousand-kid school were actually being sexually harassed by their teachers (and not by Bobby sitting at the desk behind her who can't take his eyes off her ass), there would be an immense clusterfuck with widespread screaming media panic.
-
Have I got this right ... a 6-year old report of a draft based on a 4 year older survey has an author who concludes teacher sexual abuse in public schools exceeds that of priests, at least on a relative basis? Even though priest abuse apparently involves touching or more, while the teacher "abuse" could be an off-hand remark someone thinks has a sexual connotation? But why no final report? Why nothing newer on the subject than 6 years? And why little to no substantiation of the allegations?
There is no doubt that teachers have taken advantage of their position in some cases, and that students have suffered as a result. But an off-the-cuff remark that someone takes offense at is not the same as rape.
And --- if the report was ever accepted as meriting publishing, and the subject were such a big issue, wouldn't there be something about the matter in the last half-decade plus?
Obviously neither Pile or yourself are parents of children. There is not a public school in American that has not had a convicted sex offender employed at one time. Second having a child go to a school and come home with a complaint due to a sexual conflicting message from a teacher is not any fun. I don't care if the teacher was being funny or not or it was off the cuff.
What is sad is you want to argue this report to begin with, I thought you two were for children rights who are going to schools/programs. The intimidation by teachers in public schools my friend can be very abusive. Every kind of abuse we have talked about here in these programs have happened or is still happening in public schools almost to the alphabet.
But you don't want this no Pile you are more interested in showing off in front of your buddies here, being the big guy. The guy that is going to show whooter that he is the intellectual stud around here.
That's great there Pile but in your zeal your fucking the very children that need your advocating. Your EGO Pile is waaaaaaaayyyy out in front. I can't see your genuine purpose here anymore.
Danny
-
CBS news reports....
Treveon Martin, 10, is one of at least 818 Chicago Public School students, since 2003, to allege being battered by a teacher or other staff member.
* CPS Takes Action On Corporal Punishment
(10/7/2008)
* Painful Lessons: Students Face Corporal Punishment
(9/24/2008)
Hundreds of students have allegedly been beaten by teachers, coaches and staff at Chicago Public Schools. 2 Investigator Dave Savini continues his ongoing investigation involving the illegal use corporal punishment.
Treveon Martin, 10, is afraid of a teacher at his school.
"I've seen him hit five of them in the classroom," Martin said.
Martin says he and others have been hit, grabbed and even struck with a belt.
"He's threatened almost all the kids in his classroom," Martin said.
He says it happened at Robert Emmet Academy in November but a Chicago Public School investigator didn't talk to him until last week - 70 days after the case was reported, and not until after we started asking questions.
"He holded my arms and he picked my body up, and then he just slammed me on the desk," Martin said.
An exclusive CBS 2 investigation discovered Treveon Martin is one of at least 818 Chicago Public School students, since 2003, to allege being battered by a teacher or an aide, coach, security guard, or even a principal. In most of those cases - 568 of them - Chicago Public School investigators determined the children were telling the truth.
"I'm thinking that I don't really feel safe," Martin said.
The 2 Investigators found reports of students beaten with broomsticks, whipped with belts, yard sticks, struck with staplers, choked, stomped on and pushed down stairs. One substitute teacher even fractured a student's neck.
But even more alarming, in the vast majority of cases, teachers found guilty were only given a slap on the wrist.
CBS 2 informed former Chicago Public School CEO Arne Duncan of our investigative findings shortly before he was promoted to U.S. Secretary of Education.
"If someone hits a student, they are going to be fired. It's very, very simple," Duncan said.
Before heading to Washington, he vowed to take action.
"Any founded allegation where an adult is hitting a child, hitting a student - they're going to be gone," Duncan said.
But that's not what happened under Duncan's watch. Of the 568 verified cases, only 24 led to termination. Records show one teacher who quote "battered students for several years" was simply given a "warning" by the Board of Education.
And another student was given "100 licks with a belt." The abuse was substantiated, but the records show the teacher was not terminated.
Alderman Pat O'Connor is on the City Council Education Committee. He wants all these cases re-examined including the way Treveon Martin's was handled.
"I'll tell you what it is - it's deplorable," O'Connor said. "I really believe that the Board has dropped the ball in this instance."
He says this information was never brought to the committee's attention until now.
"You rely on them to follow the law, and clearly here, it doesn't appear that they have," O'Connor said.
There is a state law that bans corporal punishment. But as our 2 Investigators first exposed in September - students are being hit by coaches too. Paddles were confiscated, and CBS 2 exposed gym security tape at Simeon Career Academy showing a coach paddling volleyball players reportedly for missing serves.
Martin says the teacher injured him after he got into a scuffle with a classmate over an eraser.
"My back really hurted, and then at the end of the day, I had to go the hospital," Martin said.
His mother, Courtney Smith, says he was taken by ambulance and treated for a contusion on his back. It is children around his age who appear to be most at risk. The 2 Investigators found the students with the most complaints are in kindergarten through 8th grade.
"He doesn't have very much faith in anyone at his school," Smith said.
"He hurt my feelings," Martin said.
So why did it take over two months to look into Martin's case? School officials say it's because they have many cases to investigate. But just a few hours ago, an investigator determined the allegations against the teacher were unfounded. We are also told only two students were interviewed.
Incoming Chicago Public Schools CEO Ron Huberman is troubled by all these cases, including the case of Treveon Martin and promises to further review them, and that includes the process by which they are examined and investigated.
Alderman O'Connor is drafting a resolution and will bring our findings to the attention of the entire City Council this week.
(© MMX, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)
-
http://www.care2.com/causes/civil-right ... c-schools/ (http://www.care2.com/causes/civil-rights/blog/stop-child-abuse-in-public-schools/)
support civil-rights
Stop Child Abuse In Public Schools
posted by: Jessica Pieklo 297 days ago
Stop Child Abuse In Public Schools
Despite the fact that the use of corporal punishment on students is a violation of international human rights law, a report issued jointly by Human Rights Watch and the ALCU found that corporal punishment is routine in public schools in many parts of the US, and that almost a quarter-of-a-million school children were paddled, thrown to the floor, struck with rulers or other instruments, pinched, and hit as a means of discipline. Of those students subjected to this abuse, a disproportionate amount were students with disabilities, often punished simply for displaying symptoms of that disability. Examples include students with Tourette syndrome physically punished for exhibiting involuntary tics and students with autism physically punished for repetitive behavior such as rocking.
DannyB II wrote:
Ursus wasn't it back on the thread for JRC, that you talked about children with High Functioning Autism, Aspergers and other similar disabilities that you would advocate for them to be integrated in the public school system. Well not a very good idea is it.
Children are protected from the use of corporal punishment in most US juvenile detention centers and mental health facilities, yet twenty states currently permit the use of corporal punishment in public schools. In states where corporal punishment is allowed, hundreds of school districts make routine use of it. Under human rights law including the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, the UN Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhumane or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, and the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, physical force may only be used against students when it is absolutely necessary to protect a child or others, and even then the minimum amount of force for the shortest amount of time must be used.
Landon K., a six-year-old-boy with autism illustrates that many school districts ignore these mandates. He was paddled on the buttocks by his assistant principal, described by Landon's mother as a "large man--nearly 300 pounds" for simply shouting in class. Michelle R., whose son has Tourette syndrome, finally removed her child from school after he was placed in a closet and repeatedly hit for displaying involuntary tics. The more her son tried to explain that the physical behavior was connected to his disability, the more he was punished for it. In some cases the punishment was so severe the children were hospitalized, suffering injuries comparable to motorcycle accident victims.
The use of corporal punishment, especially on students with disabilities, can cause permanent physical and mental injury. Landon K. became terrified of returning to school and began suffering violent outbursts if approached from behind. Paddling can cause deep bruising, severe muscle injury, hematomas, and hemorrhaging, according to The Society for Adolescent Medicine. Students subjected to paddling and other physical violence also suffer mental stigma from being abused in front of their classmates. All this despite the fact that evidence is conclusive that corporal punishment is ineffective in dealing with even extreme behavioral problems in the classroom.
The intimidation from teachers and the peer pressure from students is oppressive. Now thank god these children get to go home at the end of the day. So it is not 24/7 as a TC is but WTF. Is this 2010 or 1860. For fuck sake we still allow corporal punishment, where are the parents. Have this outlawed.
The findings by Human Rights Watch and the ACLU were based on over 200 interviews conducted between December 2007 and June 2009 with experts and individuals directly affected by corporal punishment, including parents, students, teachers, administrators and special education professionals. It calls for a complete prohibition on the use of corporal punishment against all students in US public schools and offers recommendations to Congress, the Department of Education and local governments, including best practices and a moratorium on corporal punishment against students with disabilities until a full prohibition is achieved. The United States did take one small step closer to rectifying the situation when it signed the U.N. Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, the most comprehensive international treaty on the rights of persons with disabilities in history.
US federal and state governments can uphold children's rights by banning corporal punishment and implementing positive behavioral supports. With appropriate funding, training, and support, educators can create and implement discipline systems that respond to the fundamental needs of even the most vulnerable students. In doing so they can create environments where every student thrives and reaches his or her academic potential--all without raising a single hand in violence.
Read more: education, civil rights, human rights, corporal punishment, public schools
Danny
-
Debunked (http://http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126385,00.html)
Fox News pointing out obvious flaws (and believe me, when FOX FUCKING 'NEWS' sees the obvious flaws..) in some dumb bitch's gross misuse of statistics, which was seized upon by Newsmax to protect the Catholic Church, because she was dumb enough to mis-cite a report from feminists and ended up conflating teachers' harassment with teenage boys'.
Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls...
Pile, The report wasn’t debunked by Fox news, they just were reporting a challenge made by the Secretary of education and others.
Among some of the challenges was the definition of “Sexual Abuse”. They challenged the various definitions being lumped together like “Physical, verbal and visual”. These are similar issues we have here on fornits where we have seen abuse defined as the removal of salt from the table to rape of a minor. Many of us challenge this, but we cannot say we debunked the survivors stories in all cases.
Whenever a report of this magnitude comes out there will be an immediate response (and attempts to deflect the damage)from the industry being damaged by it. In this case it is the public education industry. The Secretary of Education has to come out against it, he has no choice or he will lose his job. When the reports of abuse came out against the Catholic church they orchestrated a similar defense campaign which was reported by Fox News. But I would not define it as the Church debunking it.
It was a good find, though, Pile. I just wanted to clarify it a bit.
Its good news for all of us and apparently this report has sparked controversy around the country and will result in reform in hiring and screening practices which will help to lower this number going forward. If their attempts are successful then the process can be matched by other industries like the private sector and Residential Treatment Centers.
Ultimately this will benefit the kids in programs as well, which is what we all want.
...
-
LINKS for your citations, please... For all anyone knows, ya could be fabricating data once again, Whooter.
-
LINKS for your citations, please... For all anyone knows, ya could be fabricating data once again, Whooter.
Ah, that wasn't very nice.
...
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
http://www.care2.com/causes/civil-rights/blog/stop-child-abuse-in-public-schools/
support civil-rights
Stop Child Abuse In Public Schools
posted by: Jessica Pieklo 297 days ago
Stop Child Abuse In Public Schools
Despite the fact that the use of corporal punishment on students is a violation of international human rights law, a report issued jointly by Human Rights Watch and the ALCU found that corporal punishment is routine in public schools in many parts of the US, and that almost a quarter-of-a-million school children were paddled, thrown to the floor, struck with rulers or other instruments, pinched, and hit as a means of discipline. Of those students subjected to this abuse, a disproportionate amount were students with disabilities, often punished simply for displaying symptoms of that disability.
Examples include students with Tourette syndrome physically punished for exhibiting involuntary tics and students with autism physically punished for repetitive behavior such as rocking
.
Ursus if I remember correctly you were advocating back on the JRC thread for children with Aspergers, High Functioning Autism and other disabilities, for their parents to place them back in the public school system. Now mind you I am not advocating JRC but just say'in that public schools are not the answer either.
Children are protected from the use of corporal punishment in most US juvenile detention centers and mental health facilities, yet twenty states currently permit the use of corporal punishment in public schools. In states where corporal punishment is allowed, hundreds of school districts make routine use of it.
Where is the outrage, people. Pile I suppose you will let this slip by also. "Well at least there not in a program".
Under human rights law including the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, the UN Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhumane or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, and the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, physical force may only be used against students when it is absolutely necessary to protect a child or others, and even then the minimum amount of force for the shortest amount of time must be used.
Landon K., a six-year-old-boy with autism illustrates that many school districts ignore these mandates. He was paddled on the buttocks by his assistant principal, described by Landon's mother as a "large man--nearly 300 pounds" for simply shouting in class. Michelle R., whose son has Tourette syndrome, finally removed her child from school after he was placed in a closet and repeatedly hit for displaying involuntary tics. The more her son tried to explain that the physical behavior was connected to his disability, the more he was punished for it. In some cases the punishment was so severe the children were hospitalized, suffering injuries comparable to motorcycle accident victims.
The use of corporal punishment, especially on students with disabilities, can cause permanent physical and mental injury. Landon K. became terrified of returning to school and began suffering violent outbursts if approached from behind. Paddling can cause deep bruising, severe muscle injury, hematomas, and hemorrhaging, according to The Society for Adolescent Medicine. Students subjected to paddling and other physical violence also suffer mental stigma from being abused in front of their classmates. All this despite the fact that evidence is conclusive that corporal punishment is ineffective in dealing with even extreme behavioral problems in the classroom.
The findings by Human Rights Watch and the ACLU were based on over 200 interviews conducted between December 2007 and June 2009 with experts and individuals directly affected by corporal punishment, including parents, students, teachers, administrators and special education professionals. It calls for a complete prohibition on the use of corporal punishment against all students in US public schools and offers recommendations to Congress, the Department of Education and local governments, including best practices and a moratorium on corporal punishment against students with disabilities until a full prohibition is achieved. The United States did take one small step closer to rectifying the situation when it signed the U.N. Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, the most comprehensive international treaty on the rights of persons with disabilities in history.
US federal and state governments can uphold children's rights by banning corporal punishment and implementing positive behavioral supports. With appropriate funding, training, and support, educators can create and implement discipline systems that respond to the fundamental needs of even the most vulnerable students. In doing so they can create environments where every student thrives and reaches his or her academic potential--all without raising a single hand in violence.
Read more: education, civil rights, human rights, corporal punishment, public schools
Danny
-
Ursus if I remember correctly you were advocating back on the JRC thread for children with Aspergers, High Functioning Autism and other disabilities, for their parents to place them back in the public school system. Now mind you I am not advocating JRC but just say'in that public schools are not the answer either.
The idea is "least restrictive" environment.
So just so I understand you call "the idea" of public schools a less restrictive enviroment. Are you talking a special program within the public school or just throwing them in there with the population.
The ultimate goal is self-sufficiency, or as close to it as possible. Since the feasibility of realizing that goal is quite high and quite probable when it comes to Aspies and high-functioning Autistics, it makes little sense to take a kid out of the mainstream when it isn't necessary.
Ursus I am not the sharpest pencil around here but even I know your reaching for the stars thinking that these children can make it in the mainstream. Their motor skills at ages 6-12 are well below other children let alone their cognitive and social skills, they have to be adjusted before they can function in society without being inculcated (never used that word before). Ursus you know this too. Public school whether in Harlem or West Hartford Ct is not going to prevent the inevitable.
If anything, it presents yet another problematic transition and social environment that the kid needs to learn and adjust to, one that will, in all likelihood, have little or nothing to do with his or her life in the real world
.
Not if they are started out in a specialized (Non-TC Methodology) program specifically centered on their disabilities.
Moreover, since these programs all pretty much rely on TC-derived "positive peer culture" environments to do their inculcating, this can be, depending on the personality of the kid, potentially lethal. You put an introspective, socially-inhibited Aspie into an environment like that, you're asking for a bully fest.
First off I don't believe anybody in their right mind had a concept like what your explaining here in mind. A bully fest you don't even need the other kids the teachers will do it to them. Nobody within the public school environment has the capability of dealing with this type of student and you know this. So they end up being separated from the population and put in special classes down the hall and that is when the bully fest will start. Ya know the "short bus".
No, my opinion is have them in a totally separate site and work with them, gradually integrate them into society maybe into public school for the very high end of functionality. Don't start them there.
As far as public schools go, it really depends mostly on the neighborhood and/or town, doesn't it? If you think that what's going on in a PS in Grosse Point, Michigan or Manhasset, Long Island can possibly compare with what's going on in a PS in the South Bronx, you are seriously delusional.
I would watch what you are saying here you almost sound like you are separating and maybe some folk would not like your reference, ya know what I mean. Just say'in.
Danny
-
_ Rebecca A. Boicelli, a former teacher in Redwood City, Calif. She conceived a child with a 16-year-old former student then went on maternity leave in 2004 while police investigated. She was hired to teach in a nearby school district; board members said police hadn't told them about the investigation.
...
This is a rarity Whooter. You know that.
Paul
-
_ Rebecca A. Boicelli, a former teacher in Redwood City, Calif. She conceived a child with a 16-year-old former student then went on maternity leave in 2004 while police investigated. She was hired to teach in a nearby school district; board members said police hadn't told them about the investigation.
...
This is a rarity Whooter. You know that.
Paul
Yea, I know, but there are so many of them. They get caught and just move to another school district and start over. I am sure she will pop up again.
...
-
Ursus if I remember correctly you were advocating back on the JRC thread for children with Aspergers, High Functioning Autism and other disabilities, for their parents to place them back in the public school system. Now mind you I am not advocating JRC but just say'in that public schools are not the answer either.
The idea is "least restrictive" environment.
So just so I understand you call "the idea" of public schools a less restrictive enviroment. Are you talking a special program within the public school or just throwing them in there with the population.
Obviously, it depends on the kid. Some need very little accommodation, some need a special program within the public school for at least part of the time.
The ultimate goal is self-sufficiency, or as close to it as possible. Since the feasibility of realizing that goal is quite high and quite probable when it comes to Aspies and high-functioning Autistics, it makes little sense to take a kid out of the mainstream when it isn't necessary.
Ursus I am not the sharpest pencil around here but even I know your reaching for the stars thinking that these children can make it in the mainstream. Their motor skills at ages 6-12 are well below other children let alone their cognitive and social skills, they have to be adjusted before they can function in society without being inculcated (never used that word before). Ursus you know this too. Public school whether in Harlem or West Hartford Ct is not going to prevent the inevitable.
LOL. I really have to BITE my lip here! Do you even know what Asperger's syndrome and high functioning autism entail? Just read up a little on Temple Grandin (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Grandin) with regard to what a high functioning Autistic can aspire to... Geeezzz Louise! And here's a little more on her:
Video and story on Grandin from CNN.com: Why autism is a gift (http://http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/03/01/temple.grandin.ted/index.html)[/list]
If anything, it presents yet another problematic transition and social environment that the kid needs to learn and adjust to, one that will, in all likelihood, have little or nothing to do with his or her life in the real world
Not if they are started out in a specialized (Non-TC Methodology) program specifically centered on their disabilities.
They may not need it. Actually, high school is usually considered to be the worst time. That's when being able to "fit in with your peers" generally becomes so all-important, and feels like so painfully obvious a short-coming to some. But most will survive just fine with but a little tweaking of the basic paradigm.
Moreover, since these programs all pretty much rely on TC-derived "positive peer culture" environments to do their inculcating, this can be, depending on the personality of the kid, potentially lethal. You put an introspective, socially-inhibited Aspie into an environment like that, you're asking for a bully fest.
First off I don't believe anybody in their right mind had a concept like what your explaining here in mind. A bully fest you don't even need the other kids the teachers will do it to them. Nobody within the public school environment has the capability of dealing with this type of student and you know this. So they end up being separated from the population and put in special classes down the hall and that is when the bully fest will start. Ya know the "short bus".
No, my opinion is have them in a totally separate site and work with them, gradually integrate them into society maybe into public school for the very high end of functionality. Don't start them there.
It really depends on the kid. Again, do you even know what comprises Asperger's syndrome and high functioning autism?
As far as public schools go, it really depends mostly on the neighborhood and/or town, doesn't it? If you think that what's going on in a PS in Grosse Point, Michigan or Manhasset, Long Island can possibly compare with what's going on in a PS in the South Bronx, you are seriously delusional.
I would watch what you are saying here you almost sound like you are separating and maybe some folk would not like your reference, ya know what I mean. Just say'in.
Danny
Just what are you trying to say here? Are you trying to dissuade me from pointing out the obvious, namely, that not all public schools are equivalent when it comes to the quality of the education one receives, that local poverty does affect the quality of services one does or does not receive at school, and that some schools have significant problems with bullying and others do not?
-
Danny wrote:
Ursus if I remember correctly you were advocating back on the JRC thread for children with Aspergers, High Functioning Autism and other disabilities, for their parents to place them back in the public school system. Now mind you I am not advocating JRC but just say'in that public schools are not the answer either.
Ursus wrote:
The idea is "least restrictive" environment.
Danny wrote:
So just so I understand you call "the idea" of public schools a less restrictive enviroment. Are you talking a special program within the public school or just throwing them in there with the population.
Obviously, it depends on the kid. Some need very little accommodation, some need a special program within the public school for at least part of the time.
Ursus wrote:
The ultimate goal is self-sufficiency, or as close to it as possible. Since the feasibility of realizing that goal is quite high and quite probable when it comes to Aspies and high-functioning Autistics, it makes little sense to take a kid out of the mainstream when it isn't necessary.
Danny wrote:
Ursus I am not the sharpest pencil around here but even I know your reaching for the stars thinking that these children can make it in the mainstream. Their motor skills at ages 6-12 are well below other children let alone their cognitive and social skills, they have to be adjusted before they can function in society without being inculcated (never used that word before). Ursus you know this too. Public school whether in Harlem or West Hartford Ct is not going to prevent the inevitable.
Ursus wrote:
LOL. I really have to BITE my lip here! Do you even know what Asperger's syndrome and high functioning autism entail? Just read up a little on Temple Grandin (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Grandin) with regard to what a high functioning Autistic can aspire to... Geeezzz Louise! And here's a little more on her:
Video and story on Grandin from CNN.com: Why autism is a gift (http://http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/03/01/temple.grandin.ted/index.html)[/list]
Danny wrote:
OK I'll bite here myself, before I go any futher do explain to me please what are your credentials in this field, do you have a degree in something related to these disabilities, do you have a doctorate in this field, are you a consultant to the professionals in this field.
Ursus I am not going to read a post or web site then come on here and because I intellectually understood what they said then plagiarize what they said. If I don't experience it personally I usually don't have much to say. See it is not important to me to sound intelligent, obviously...lol. What I do want to convey through my limited dyslexic vocabulary is a sense of truth. That even though I may not be a wordsmith I am talking my truth. My truth here is this.
From my early years of life, 7 yrs old to be exact. My aunt brought into her family a Asperger child by the name of Dorothy and a Autistic child by the name of Joey. Dorothy survives to this day she is married had children and now has grandchildren. Joey died much to early from complications due to his Autism. Now Dorothy does not mind me mentioning her name because she follows conversations at times that concern her. The JRC thread was a very interesting conversation.
So Ursus as you can see If I want to know something about autism or aspergers I can either ask Dorothy or her mother my aunt. Now also I can bring my moms experience in here to this conversation because this was her sister who raised these children. I think my mom also brings something else to this conversation she was a teacher for 42 years in the Rhode Island and Connecticut Schools System. Her last 22 years was with Connecticut schools with a program called CREC, Capitol Region Education Council. In her capacity with Crec she worked in the vocational educatinal, Food Service. Now the children she worked with came from troubled backgrounds and had various learning disabilities. Her opinions on having children in the school system with disabilities that could cause harm to them if put in the general population was very clear, no. She had seen enough incompetence with the school administration to know they would fall through the cracks.
Last here Dorothy keeps me up to date on what is happening concerning Aspergers, high functioning autism and autism if that isn't good enough my aunt is still alive and her personal experience is good enough.
Ursus I am not a gifted writer because I suffer from dyslexia: A partial definition is below.
Dyslexia is a specific learning disability that is neurological in origin.
It is characterized by difficulties with accurate and/or fluent word recognition, and by poor spelling and decoding abilities.
These difficulties typically result from a deficit in the phonological component of language that is often unexpected in relation to other cognitive abilities and the provision of effective classroom instruction.
Secondary consequences may include problems in reading comprehension and reduced reading experience that can impede growth of vocabulary and background knowledge.
and this is only the half of it....yet I still managed to succeed in life. So please everyone continue to laugh and snicker at my grammar and vocabulary, I also do it when I read what I have wrote sometimes. It is like whaaaaaaat is it....lol. You could only imagine what I went through in the mid 60's and early 70's with this disadvantage in school, peer pressure was very degrading. I was laughed at by other students, teachers were frustrated due to lack of education themselves so they took it out on me. I am not complaining here I am just pointing out a reality I faced everyday at school. I could only imagine if I had the disabilities were talking about here, regardless of where I went to school. You really think schools in different economic geographics will make a difference. Definitely did not help that girl from Ireland from being bullied to the point of suicide and she grew up in a wealthy district in Weymouth Mass.
Ursus I say you are mistaken in your assessment because Dorothy was not put in that situation she was home schooled but my aunt always said that if she could have found a program that dealt specifically with these disability she would have considered placing her there, not a TC Ursus. But she would never had placed her a the mercy of the public school system and my mother echoed that sentiment.
I also have a sister working in the school system in Hartford Ct. she also has her opinions but I think her passionate nature could be worse then mine, only kidding. But once again she would not trust the public school system.
I really do my homework before I speak Ursus, as we spoke about before about JRC this is a personal.
Ursus wrote
If anything, it presents yet another problematic transition and social environment that the kid needs to learn and adjust to, one that will, in all likelihood, have little or nothing to do with his or her life in the real world
Danny wrote:
Not if they are started out in a specialized (Non-TC Methodology) program specifically centered on their disabilities.
Ursus wrote:
They may not need it. Actually, high school is usually considered to be the worst time. That's when being able to "fit in with your peers" generally becomes so all-important, and feels like so painfully obvious a short-coming to some. But most will survive just fine with but a little tweaking of the basic paradigm.
Danny wrote:
Your confident of that just a little tweaking, your talking like you are in this field as a profession. Is this true, I am not fishing I am asking a legitimate question, because if you are then I have more questions. I don't profess to know everything about this subject but I do think I have a bit.
Ursus wrote:
Moreover, since these programs all pretty much rely on TC-derived "positive peer culture" environments to do their inculcating, this can be, depending on the personality of the kid, potentially lethal. You put an introspective, socially-inhibited Aspie into an environment like that, you're asking for a bully fest.
Danny wrote:
First off I don't believe anybody in their right mind had a concept like what your explaining here in mind. A bully fest you don't even need the other kids the teachers will do it to them. Nobody within the public school environment has the capability of dealing with this type of student and you know this. So they end up being separated from the population and put in special classes down the hall and that is when the bully fest will start. Ya know the "short bus".
No,my opinion is have them in a totally separate site and work with them, gradually integrate them into society maybe into public school for the very high end of functionality. Don't start them there.
Ursus wrote:
It really depends on the kid. Again, do you even know what comprises Asperger's syndrome and high functioning autism?
Danny wrote:
Well you have asked me this question again and I will say I don't believe I understand your definition. So please explain.
Ursus wrote:
As far as public schools go, it really depends mostly on the neighborhood and/or town, doesn't it? If you think that what's going on in a PS in Grosse Point, Michigan or Manhasset, Long Island can possibly compare with what's going on in a PS in the South Bronx, you are seriously delusional.
Danny wrote:
I would watch what you are saying here you almost sound like you are separating and maybe some folk would not like your reference, ya know what I mean. Just say'in.
Ursus wrote:
Just what are you trying to say here? Are you trying to dissuade me from pointing out the obvious, namely, that not all public schools are equivalent when it comes to the quality of the education one receives, that local poverty does effect the quality of services one does or does not receive at school, and that some schools have significant problems with bullying and others do not ?
Danny wrote:
No obviously I can't do that.....lol. I just thought for our various readers you could be a tad more delicate. Seems ironic coming from me eh....lol. I will not argue your point though.
danny
-
I have a good friend who has 4 kids on the Autism Spectrum.
Honor role student to Headbanging and non-verbal.
All of them with a very High I.Q.
She does not need a clinical trial or numbers to show what works and what does not.
No drugs, No JRC.
Unreal amount of personal sacrifice, patience and fierce advocacy.
We shape the disability rights around here for the voiceless and dead.
Her School age kids go to Public School.
No Restraints, No Cruelty.
She had to Educate the Educators for 20 years though.............
There before the grace of G-d go I.
-
I was thinking this morning of the movie, " Mozart and the Whale" two folks who have Aspergers.
I particularly like the scene at the end of the movie where Josh Hartnett and Radha Mitchell get back together and sit with the group Donald (Josh) is affiliated with. There it is Ursus your spectrum of Aspergers and HFA.
-
(and believe me, when FOX FUCKING 'NEWS' sees the obvious flaws..) in some dumb bitch's gross misuse of statistics, which was seized upon by Newsmax to protect the Catholic Church, because she was dumb enough to mis-cite a report from feminists and ended up conflating teachers' harassment with teenage boys'.
You might recall it was Fox that did the three part series on WWASP. They did a good job too. Other than Montana's PBS - what other American media or news organization has done as much?
ALEX JONES
http://http://www.infowars.com
-
I have a good friend who has 4 kids on the Autism Spectrum.
Honor role student to Headbanging and non-verbal.
All of them with a very High I.Q.
She does not need a clinical trial or numbers to show what works and what does not.
No drugs, No JRC.
Unreal amount of personal sacrifice, patience and fierce advocacy.
We shape the disability rights around here for the voiceless and dead.
Her School age kids go to Public School.
No Restraints, No Cruelty.
She had to Educate the Educators for 20 years though.............
There before the grace of G-d go I.
Felice why now??????? Why not bring this example up back when you initiated this topic. May I ask a question please......please. Why in gods name would you force your kids (round peg) into a public school arena (square hole) when you know their emotional social skills are disabled dramatically. I agree with not sending a child with this disability to JRC. Banging heads and self-mutilation something different now. I fully agree that god has blessed some mothers with the ability and finances to deal with this. The little I do know about the educational system I do know they should not be involved at all. They don't do what they say and they always lose the funding. So no I'll stay with the ideas of others I've heard from, get special programs to deal with this. Why are we trying to force this on public schools anyways, so parents can entertain the fantasy that their child is normal or is it because they cannot afford the special care elsewhere.
Felice if in fact her kids are going to public school then they are exceptionally high functioning autistic or border line asperger (if in fact you can be).
Anyway how much can I really know I am sure there are folks with these disabilities doing things that would surprise the normal.
-
Obama is a fan of Public school girls too!
(http://http://studio83.co.za.s3.amazonaws.com/static/data/image/2009/07/obama_ass.jpg)
I like the expression on the French guy. He knows Obama is checking her out.
...
-
Obama is a fan of Public school girls too!
(http://http://studio83.co.za.s3.amazonaws.com/static/data/image/2009/07/obama_ass.jpg)
I like the expression on the French guy. He knows Obama is checking her out.
...
:roflmao: :roflmao: :P :P
-
I like this...I think I saw something on an Album cover like this....Digging through Ministry Collection now.
Nothing like some good ol Humiliation Therapy
[attachment=0:29rykv2q]duncecap.jpg[/attachment:29rykv2q]
-
I like this...I think I saw something on an Album cover like this....Digging through Ministry Collection now.
Nothing like some good ol Humiliation Therapy
[attachment=0:296w3oqb]duncecap.jpg[/attachment:296w3oqb]
Great find, Eliscu2, and appropriate to the topic. In all fairness to the teachers back then I dont think they knew much about self esteem. Believe it or not this still occurred in the 1960's. It was effective in bringing order to the classroom but didnt promote healthy growth in the child. It did more to label them and convince them that they were no good than anything else.
It wasnt until the 1970's that this practice was abolished and the child self esteem was better protected.
...
-
I like this...I think I saw something on an Album cover like this....Digging through Ministry Collection now.
Nothing like some good ol Humiliation Therapy
Great find, Eliscu2, and appropriate to the topic. In all fairness to the teachers back then I dont think they knew much about self esteem. Believe it or not this still occurred in the 1960's. It was effective in bringing order to the classroom but didnt promote healthy growth in the child. It did more to label them and convince them that they were no good than anything else.
It wasnt until the 1970's that this practice was abolished and the child self esteem was better protected.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
I seem to remember a kid having to stand near the entrance to the dining area at Hyde from time to time in the early 1970s; he wore a big sign around his neck requesting inquiry as to his sins. Who knows, maybe he even had a dunce cap on!
As you well know, public humiliation is par for the course at programs, Whooter. Dunce cap or not, the fear of being ridiculed by your peers and held up to public disdain is a powerful behavior modifier. Of course, the reasons for being held in such low regard may have little to do with reality or a healthy perspective on adolescence. Or a healthy perspective on human beings, for that matter.
-
I have a good friend who has 4 kids on the Autism Spectrum.
Honor role student to Headbanging and non-verbal.
All of them with a very High I.Q.
She does not need a clinical trial or numbers to show what works and what does not.
No drugs, No JRC.
Unreal amount of personal sacrifice, patience and fierce advocacy.
We shape the disability rights around here for the voiceless and dead.
Her School age kids go to Public School.
No Restraints, No Cruelty.
She had to Educate the Educators for 20 years though.............
There before the grace of G-d go I.
Felice why now??????? Why not bring this example up back when you initiated this topic. May I ask a question please......please. Why in gods name would you force your kids (round peg) into a public school arena (square hole) when you know their emotional social skills are disabled dramatically. I agree with not sending a child with this disability to JRC. Banging heads and self-mutilation something different now. I fully agree that god has blessed some mothers with the ability and finances to deal with this. The little I do know about the educational system I do know they should not be involved at all. They don't do what they say and they always lose the funding. So no I'll stay with the ideas of others I've heard from, get special programs to deal with this. Why are we trying to force this on public schools anyways, so parents can entertain the fantasy that their child is normal or is it because they cannot afford the special care elsewhere.
Felice if in fact her kids are going to public school then they are exceptionally high functioning autistic or border line asperger (if in fact you can be).
Anyway how much can I really know I am sure there are folks with these disabilities doing things that would surprise the normal.
Danny I am so sure I care what you think. :timeout:
After the other night with the CARTOON CROTCH Cronicles....
Go morally police an Avatar and leave the human rights to those who are not sexually repressed.
In fact I suggest you call up an Escort...maybe learn something.
Make sure you let them know you will be needing a tweezers and electron microscope to find your penis with.
Danny Bennison- "Digging for cartoon vagina's in Avatars" says.... :sue:
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30611&p=365349&hilit=Cartoon+Croch#p365333
-
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
I seem to remember a kid having to stand near the entrance to the dining area at Hyde from time to time in the early 1970s; he wore a big sign around his neck requesting inquiry as to his sins. Who knows, maybe he even had a dunce cap on!
As you well know, public humiliation is par for the course at programs, Whooter. Dunce cap or not, the fear of being ridiculed by your peers and held up to public disdain is a powerful behavior modifier. Of course, the reasons for being held in such low regard may have little to do with reality or a healthy perspective on adolescence. Or a healthy perspective on human beings, for that matter.
Ursus, That’s awful to humiliate kids like that. I don’t know what they were thinking. I had a kid in my class who kept leaving the room to go to the bathroom because the teacher would not recognize his 1 or 2 finger signal. She finally forced the boy to sit next to her facing the class and would physically hold the boy from leaving the room. He would eventually pee in his seat. This went on for a week or more.
I find it hard to believe that these school teachers were just sadistic and I don’t know if they viewed it as cruelty or not but us kids , I remember, thought it was wrong. Later we found out that the boy had a bowel disorder of some type and that is why he needed to go so often.
As far as thinking that programs are like this now, Ursus, you are way off the mark just like schools don’t do this anymore either. I don’t hear stories like this coming from our schools systems lately. If there are still programs who would do this then they are dinosaurs and will close soon like CEDU etal.
The programs I am familiar with protect the Childs self esteem.
This is another strong reason why parents should speak to other parents prior to placing their child in a program. They should also get a third party sign off.
...
-
Whooter: PARENTS DON'T KNOW. No amtter whatr survivors I talk to, tehy all say the same. Part of program methodology is dividing the family to keep the lines of communication monitored. That is why they lock phones and read and censor letters. We all learned quickly that if we complained, things were made worse for us. Staff would cast aspersions on us. And yes, staff lied. Kids in "troubled teens" program have no voice and no rights. If we tell, we are subjected to more trenchant emotional abuse. It didn't matter that much because we neded up being brainwashed anyway and rationalized the BS. I have spoken with countless survivors on both sides who say the same thing!
If I came home from public school and said a tecaher abused me, my parents would believe it. If I complained about the attack therapy and humilation based treatment at TBS, I'd run into two issues. One, I could not put it in a letter or discuss it over the phone as these outlets were monitored in a locked room. Two, I was away from home in a place run by "experts." The isolation and distance worked in the staff's favor to manipulate familial relationships. It wasn't isolated because survivors all recognize the stock phrases and fear tactics. Even though I was not a drug addict, a criminal, or a runaway - one way to keep parents invested in the program is "it's worse than you thought. She will be deadinsaneorinjail if you pull her out." Parents trust "the experts" - nevermind their BS Coastal college degree.
-
I remember in daytop, if you complained to your parents about anything, you were pretty much dead meat, and you could be sure that the person would never do it again.
You could have spoken word for word truth.. even downplayed events.. even mentioned something only in passing.
You were labeled by the counselors, a spoiled dope fiene. You would be brought up in front of the family, and given the third degree by other residents, and should you ever make any good points, the counselors would step in and lay the law down.( This shit was just an insult to anyoen with a brain in their head. the questions and comments from the residents, could have been written by Danny. These kids who now acted like authorities, had no clue what the fuck they were talking about. the counselors didn t care though. they were against the retractor, and that is all that mattered) You were expected to be loyal to "the family", loyal to Daytop, way above friends and family, because you needed your sobriety, or you would end up dead or in jail.
But when you would really get it would be in the encounter groups. The other kids would rip you apart, and you would break, and that would be it.
I ll tell you so many kids just never seen this shit coming. They would be crushed, which is exactly what the counselors counted on. You had to be crushed. It couldn t happen again.
Paul
-
Oh and no matter what you said to your parents, you were trying to "manipulate", them.
To this day, I haven t said a word of anything about Daytop to my parents. The only thing I ever said to anyone was to my father, while I was there. I told him that I didn t like the idea of spilling my guts about every internal issue I ever had to a large group of strangers, and so I didn t participate in groups.
He told me that it was natural, and that no animal in nature goes around making a show of it's vulnerabilities. My father never got in the way of anything with Daytop. Afterall, my school sent me there, and my probation officer was holding me there..
But he never played ball either. I thank my lucky stars for that. they never seemed to like my father much, but they loved his checkbook.
Paul
-
It was nice going to Daytop though, because, at least, I knew, that there was no longer a ten percent risk, of my being molested by one of the teachers in the public school, I attended, previously.
Paul
PS Actually, there was one or two teachers, I would have welcomed it from, the way I remember it.. LOL
Could you imagine being molested by a Daytop Counselor. "This isn t actually happening right now, dope fiene. Stop rationalizing"
-
It starts in "Regular School" and then continues into "Programming"
[attachment=0:2o15gs4p]darksideofthespoon.jpg[/attachment:2o15gs4p]
Hmmm I think these guys went to "Rehab"...
-
I have a good friend who has 4 kids on the Autism Spectrum.
Honor role student to Headbanging and non-verbal.
All of them with a very High I.Q.
She does not need a clinical trial or numbers to show what works and what does not.
No drugs, No JRC.
Unreal amount of personal sacrifice, patience and fierce advocacy.
We shape the disability rights around here for the voiceless and dead.
Her School age kids go to Public School.
No Restraints, No Cruelty.
She had to Educate the Educators for 20 years though.............
There before the grace of G-d go I.
Felice why now??????? Why not bring this example up back when you initiated this topic. May I ask a question please......please. Why in gods name would you force your kids (round peg) into a public school arena (square hole) when you know their emotional social skills are disabled dramatically. I agree with not sending a child with this disability to JRC. Banging heads and self-mutilation something different now. I fully agree that god has blessed some mothers with the ability and finances to deal with this. The little I do know about the educational system I do know they should not be involved at all. They don't do what they say and they always lose the funding. So no I'll stay with the ideas of others I've heard from, get special programs to deal with this. Why are we trying to force this on public schools anyways, so parents can entertain the fantasy that their child is normal or is it because they cannot afford the special care elsewhere.
Felice if in fact her kids are going to public school then they are exceptionally high functioning autistic or border line asperger (if in fact you can be).
Anyway how much can I really know I am sure there are folks with these disabilities doing things that would surprise the normal.
Danny I am so sure I care what you think. :timeout:
After the other night with the CARTOON CROTCH Cronicles....
Go morally police an Avatar and leave the human rights to those who are not sexually repressed.
In fact I suggest you call up an Escort...maybe learn something.
Make sure you let them know you will be needing a tweezers and electron microscope to find your penis with.
Danny Bennison- "Digging for cartoon vagina's in Avatars" says.... :sue:
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30611&p=365349&hilit=Cartoon+Croch#p365333
Felice is this all you can do is write idiotic filthy posts. I sure you don't care what I have to say.
Your to busy using all of your energy to produce and write this garbage.
Danny
-
It was nice going to Daytop though, because, at least, I knew, that there was no longer a ten percent risk, of my being molested by one of the teachers in the public school, I attended, previously.
Paul
PS Actually, there was one or two teachers, I would have welcomed it from, the way I remember it.. LOL
Could you imagine being molested by a Daytop Counselor. "This isn t actually happening right now, dope fiene. Stop rationalizing"
Ya jeesh, lets argue about it. Because ya know it's so different to raped in a program then raped on the outside via a public school. Boy I'm so happy this conversation just raised to a rational level.
Paul you make fun of all of this yet you admit you had a probation officer as I had. We were part of the problem in soceity so someone had to make a tuff decision, I am not saying Daytop was the answer just say'in it is where you and your parentsplaced you.
Danny
-
It was nice going to Daytop though, because, at least, I knew, that there was no longer a ten percent risk, of my being molested by one of the teachers in the public school, I attended, previously.
Paul
PS Actually, there was one or two teachers, I would have welcomed it from, the way I remember it.. LOL
Could you imagine being molested by a Daytop Counselor. "This isn t actually happening right now, dope fiene. Stop rationalizing"
Ya jeesh, lets argue about it. Because ya know it's so different to raped in a program then raped on the outside via a public school.
LOL! Danny, this is a stupid thread. Even you should be able to see that. You can t compare one to the other. There are more public schools in existence then there are programs. Then to go further, there are far more students and faulty members in individual public schools, then there are in the average program. A comparison cannot be drwan, without really breaking it down, which I personally don t feel like doing, but I will say, that it is like comparing how many times a person uses a certain word in a sentence, compared to how many times a person uses a certain word a 3 volume novel.
besides, is this really news to anybody? Is there anyone here who honestly did not know that sometimes, every so often, a teacher fucks a student. Whooter, even found a case, where a teacher got a way with it, and contibued to teach. Well, again, taking the odds, into account, I am not suprised that that happened once or twice. All kinds of fucked up things happen in the world. Sometimes, people get attacked by sharks while swimming at the beach.. People still go to the beach.
I mean, is this is an argument for the idea that you d be better of in a program then in a school, because schools molest people. Is that what this thread is about?
Boy I'm so happy this conversation just raised to a rational level.
You can count on me Danno .. :)
Paul you make fun of all of this yet you admit you had a probation officer as I had.
Just to be clear Danny- I don t see the connection between the two different.. but I will give you credit. I am suprised that you realised that I was doing that.. Only kidding.. kinda..
We were part of the problem in soceity so someone had to make a tuff decision,
I was on probation for something that I had done years earlier. I had already received my punishment for that- probation.. stupid classes. and a lot of fines, that I worked to pay off. The only crime that I had committed since was recreational drug use, which I did not consider a crime. But again, I don t see whta that has to do with making fun of the sex abuse comparison between high schools, and treatment centers.
I assissted a friend in an attempt to steal a speaker from a train platform. I think I was 14. I could have stolen thousands of train speakers, and I would still have been less harmful then a TC staff member. ( that s not a poke at you.. Just a fact. )
I am not saying Daytop was the answer just say'in it is where you and your parentsplaced you.
Danny, I am really not sure what your point is here. Are you saying that even though I didn t belong in daytop, I did?
Danny
-
Ya know Danny, as I was writing that earlier post, when I mentioned that I had a probation officer, I had a feeling that you, Whooter, or Suck It, might latch onto that, but I left it in there anyway. i am not now, nor ever was perfect.
But I never took pleasure in hurting other people. That, to me, is a real crime.
Paul
-
It was nice going to Daytop though, because, at least, I knew, that there was no longer a ten percent risk, of my being molested by one of the teachers in the public school, I attended, previously.
Paul
PS Actually, there was one or two teachers, I would have welcomed it from, the way I remember it.. LOL
Could you imagine being molested by a Daytop Counselor. "This isn t actually happening right now, dope fiene. Stop rationalizing"
Ya jeesh, lets argue about it. Because ya know it's so different to raped in a program then raped on the outside via a public school.
LOL! Danny, this is a stupid thread. Even you should be able to see that. You can t compare one to the other. There are more public schools in existence then there are programs. Then to go further, there are far more students and faulty members in individual public schools, then there are in the average program. A comparison cannot be drwan, without really breaking it down, which I personally don t feel like doing, but I will say, that it is like comparing how many times a person uses a certain word in a sentence, compared to how many times a person uses a certain word a 3 volume novel.
besides, is this really news to anybody? Is there anyone here who honestly did not know that sometimes, every so often, a teacher fucks a student. Whooter, even found a case, where a teacher got a way with it, and contibued to teach. Well, again, taking the odds, into account, I am not suprised that that happened once or twice. All kinds of fucked up things happen in the world. Sometimes, people get attacked by sharks while swimming at the beach.. People still go to the beach.
I mean, is this is an argument for the idea that you d be better of in a program then in a school, because schools molest people. Is that what this thread is about?
Boy I'm so happy this conversation just raised to a rational level.
You can count on me Danno .. :)
Paul you make fun of all of this yet you admit you had a probation officer as I had.
Just to be clear Danny- I don t see the connection between the two different.. but I will give you credit. I am suprised that you realised that I was doing that.. Only kidding.. kinda..
We were part of the problem in soceity so someone had to make a tuff decision,
I was on probation for something that I had done years earlier. I had already received my punishment for that- probation.. stupid classes. and a lot of fines, that I worked to pay off. The only crime that I had committed since was recreational drug use, which I did not consider a crime. But again, I don t see whta that has to do with making fun of the sex abuse comparison between high schools, and treatment centers.
I assissted a friend in an attempt to steal a speaker from a train platform. I think I was 14. I could have stolen thousands of train speakers, and I would still have been less harmful then a TC staff member. ( that s not a poke at you.. Just a fact. )
I am not saying Daytop was the answer just say'in it is where you and your parentsplaced you.
Danny, I am really not sure what your point is here. Are you saying that even though I didn t belong in daytop, I did?
Danny
No this is not a stupid thread at all. First abuses happening to kids is never stupid (not that you meant that) and is always worth talking about. The statistics (public schools) in my opinion are staggering and are growing. Second the political school system has failed many parents to the point they look elsewhere for help, not saying this is right just speaking from experience, listening to parents.
To say Whooter or yourself is making this about a competition to see what system is worse, your right who cares so long that the kids are protected in both venues.
Here is my connection between the both, it is your cavalier attitude (my opinion) toward the abuses in the school system and your responsibility in the results of your actions. We place our parents in certain positions they really don't want to be in and make it hard on them. If I know you Paul I'm sure you pushed your dad with your behavior, (anyway that is not my business).
What I am saying is you fucked up ripping shit off, taking drugs and whatever else your not saying here that did get the train rolling. Maybe if you did not act so cocky like hey this behavior was normal, ya know no big deal. Who do you think paid for all those fines, worried all those days and had to make the biggest decision in their early life with you. NO I am not say'in that you deserved to be abused at Daytop. I don't care what you did, no one deserves to be abused. I can't think of the word right now but there was a time in my life when I sat down and realized that humility was needed.
Danny
-
It is mentioning that there kids in daytop who had committed real crimes, or claimed to, at least..
amongst these crimes were arson, murder, robbing old ladies, rape, and a bunch of shut. daytop believed that talking about it in group, absolved them of their sins.
.. and is it any sur[rise, that these were the people who usually rose to status quickly.
My fist ' inductions" meeting was run by an idiot, who very shortly after bragged to me in a "triad" group that he killed people.
LOL! They wanted me to write about what all these principles that hung from their walls meant, but they didn t even know what they meant.. They meant whatever they wanted them to mean at any given point.
I hated that fucker. He strutted his shit like he was some sort of proud member of society. He was someone important.. Someone in the know. It was fine that he claimed to kill people.. It was fine that he was proud of it. He learned the fucking lingo, and how to verbally attack others, and now he was a good guy. I was a bad guy, because I actually had fucking principles and morals. He thought he was so fucking tough too.. A man of the streets.. Everyone respected him, there. there were a couple of times where I had to look away from him, because I was about to show him just how fucking tough he was.
Paul
-
I gotta get some sleep, danny... But just to clarify some things..
I payed the fine, and as I said it was years earlier.
My father didn t send me there. My school district did.
Paul
-
Ya know Danny, as I was writing that earlier post, when I mentioned that I had a probation officer, I had a feeling that you, Whooter, or Suck It, might latch onto that, but I left it in there anyway. i am not now, nor ever was perfect.
But I never took pleasure in hurting other people. That, to me, is a real crime.
Paul
Paul nobody cares if you have/had a probation officer or if you were in prison. You still did not deserve being abused. Oh, you left it there jee what a champ. Dude it does not surprise me. If more folks here got honest you would find that they gave their parents so much trouble it left them feeling helpless. You folks are not saints like you try to come across. You have a part in this Paul.
No Paul it is not normal to get high and your parents are supposed to have no problem with it, you will knows this when you become a parent.
I don't believe most of the employees of programs enjoy hurting kids. The problem I think is they believe in a methodology that just does not work and at first they can't see it but like me in time they do. The turn over rate at these programs is high it is only the upper brass who seem to linger, which is what maybe 1% of the employee population. Now the Owners well they never seem to change.
Danny
-
I gotta get some sleep, danny... But just to clarify some things..
I payed the fine, and as I said it was years earlier.
My father didn t send me there. My school district did.
Paul
Well your father had to OK it, stubborn one. Your full of shit also, what at 14 you walked in and layed down the money, maybe later you made restitution.
danny
-
:shamrock: :shamrock:
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
It is mentioning that there kids in daytop who had committed real crimes, or claimed to, at least..
amongst these crimes were arson, murder, robbing old ladies, rape, and a bunch of shut. daytop believed that talking about it in group, absolved them of their sins.
.. and is it any sur[rise, that these were the people who usually rose to status quickly.
My fist ' inductions" meeting was run by an idiot, who very shortly after bragged to me in a "triad" group that he killed people.
LOL! They wanted me to write about what all these principles that hung from their walls meant, but they didn t even know what they meant.. They meant whatever they wanted them to mean at any given point.
I hated that fucker. He strutted his shit like he was some sort of proud member of society. He was someone important.. Someone in the know. It was fine that he claimed to kill people.. It was fine that he was proud of it. He learned the fucking lingo, and how to verbally attack others, and now he was a good guy. I was a bad guy, because I actually had fucking principles and morals. He thought he was so fucking tough too.. A man of the streets.. Everyone respected him, there. there were a couple of times where I had to look away from him, because I was about to show him just how fucking tough he was.
Paul
WoW looky we have a Ursus clone, your a bigot. Jeesh this place here is getting more honest every day.
Ursus has a problem with folks from the same neighborhood, OH my neighborhood. Paul your a bigot and I'm sure that was there long before you got to Daytop. Most of the folks here are and they act like they don't know this. No problem though people can learn to stop abusing.
I find it funny that your blaming a resident of different persuasion, being abused himself for your uncomfortability in Daytop. The staff were using him because of his persona.
Danny
Quotes from Ursus,
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30639&start=15 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30639&start=15)
Re: Public School Abuse
Postby Ursus » Yesterday, 6:03 pm
1) As far as public schools go, it really depends mostly on the neighborhood and/or town, doesn't it? If you think that what's going on in a PS in Grosse Point, Michigan or Manhasset, Long Island can possibly compare with what's going on in a PS in the South Bronx, you are seriously delusional.
Re: Public School Abuse
Postby Ursus » Yesterday, 10:37
2) Just what are you trying to say here? Are you trying to dissuade me from pointing out the obvious, namely, that not all public schools are equivalent when it comes to the quality of the education one receives, that local poverty does affect the quality of services one does or does not receive at school, and that some schools have significant problems with bullying and others do not?
-
LOL. Bennison, So many of your posts are really eerily similar to Layne Meacham. How the hell did you jump to racist from Paul ST. John taking umbrage to being in program where people who confess to murders are rewarded with group hugs, while people who slip shot their hospital corners on their bed are shot down?
FYI a lot of confessions like that happened. In the two+ years I was there I heard one and heard “side talk” about still two more. It’s statistically improbable that in that span of time Daytop actually had three teen killers in their midst. It had a hell of a lot to do with a program that would pull people up for being too image, but reward and insist upon confessions and the grittier the better. Some of those intense groups went down as smooth and subtle as a tube of ipecac and they didn’t really stop when there was nothing to “drop” but bile.
WoW looky we have a Ursus clone, your a bigot. Jeesh this place here is getting more honest every day.
Ursus has a problem with folks from the same neighborhood, OH my neighborhood. Paul your a bigot and I'm sure that was there long before you got to Daytop. Most of the folks here are and they act like they don't know this. No problem though people can learn to stop abusing.
I find it funny that your blaming a resident of different persuasion, being abused himself for your uncomfortability in Daytop. The staff were using him because of his persona.
Danny
That said, you're probably dead on about that very last sentence.
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
It is mentioning that there kids in daytop who had committed real crimes, or claimed to, at least..
amongst these crimes were arson, murder, robbing old ladies, rape, and a bunch of shut. daytop believed that talking about it in group, absolved them of their sins.
.. and is it any sur[rise, that these were the people who usually rose to status quickly.
My fist ' inductions" meeting was run by an idiot, who very shortly after bragged to me in a "triad" group that he killed people.
LOL! They wanted me to write about what all these principles that hung from their walls meant, but they didn t even know what they meant.. They meant whatever they wanted them to mean at any given point.
I hated that fucker. He strutted his shit like he was some sort of proud member of society. He was someone important.. Someone in the know. It was fine that he claimed to kill people.. It was fine that he was proud of it. He learned the fucking lingo, and how to verbally attack others, and now he was a good guy. I was a bad guy, because I actually had fucking principles and morals. He thought he was so fucking tough too.. A man of the streets.. Everyone respected him, there. there were a couple of times where I had to look away from him, because I was about to show him just how fucking tough he was.
Paul
WoW looky we have a Ursus clone, your a bigot. Jeesh this place here is getting more honest every day.
Ursus has a problem with folks from the same neighborhood, OH my neighborhood. Paul your a bigot and I'm sure that was there long before you got to Daytop. Most of the folks here are and they act like they don't know this. No problem though people can learn to stop abusing.
I find it funny that your blaming a resident of different persuasion, being abused himself for your uncomfortability in Daytop. The staff were using him because of his persona.
Danny
Quotes from Ursus,
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30639&start=15 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30639&start=15)
Re: Public School Abuse
Postby Ursus » Yesterday, 6:03 pm
1) As far as public schools go, it really depends mostly on the neighborhood and/or town, doesn't it? If you think that what's going on in a PS in Grosse Point, Michigan or Manhasset, Long Island can possibly compare with what's going on in a PS in the South Bronx, you are seriously delusional.
Re: Public School Abuse
Postby Ursus » Yesterday, 10:37
2) Just what are you trying to say here? Are you trying to dissuade me from pointing out the obvious, namely, that not all public schools are equivalent when it comes to the quality of the education one receives, that local poverty does affect the quality of services one does or does not receive at school, and that some schools have significant problems with bullying and others do not?
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Oh Woooooooowwwwwww. Don't Paul and I look sooooooo bad here! I might never be able to face myself in the mirror again!
Tell me: when 60 Minutes or National Public Radio does a piece on how poverty affects the quality of neighborhood schools, do you call them "bigots" as well? :twofinger:
Danny, your problem is not dyslexia. I've known a few dyslexics in my time and their particular brand of genius is not of your ilk.
You seem to lack the capability of comprehending context.
This might also help explain your fetish for censoring avatars that might just have a clitoris lurking in there somewhere, if only you could somehow zoom in enough. Is this why you've been shopping for a new computer lately?
Bigger, badder, stronger! More bullying from Danny-o! Doncha just know it! :rocker:
-
"From my own experience _ this could get me in trouble _ I think every single school district in the nation has at least one perpetrator. At least one," says Mary Jo McGrath, a California lawyer who has spent 30 years investigating abuse and misconduct in schools. "It doesn't matter if it's urban or rural or suburban."
...
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
Danny just hearing you talk about what children need makes me want to puke. Go eat a shamrock and stfu with your so called expert opinions that are totally baseless and full of shit. I would not trust you raising a dog much less a child.
-
It is mentioning that there kids in daytop who had committed real crimes, or claimed to, at least..
amongst these crimes were arson, murder, robbing old ladies, rape, and a bunch of shut. daytop believed that talking about it in group, absolved them of their sins.
.. and is it any sur[rise, that these were the people who usually rose to status quickly.
My fist ' inductions" meeting was run by an idiot, who very shortly after bragged to me in a "triad" group that he killed people.
LOL! They wanted me to write about what all these principles that hung from their walls meant, but they didn t even know what they meant.. They meant whatever they wanted them to mean at any given point.
I hated that fucker. He strutted his shit like he was some sort of proud member of society. He was someone important.. Someone in the know. It was fine that he claimed to kill people.. It was fine that he was proud of it. He learned the fucking lingo, and how to verbally attack others, and now he was a good guy. I was a bad guy, because I actually had fucking principles and morals. He thought he was so fucking tough too.. A man of the streets.. Everyone respected him, there. there were a couple of times where I had to look away from him, because I was about to show him just how fucking tough he was.
Paul
WoW looky we have a Ursus clone, your a bigot. Jeesh this place here is getting more honest every day.
Ursus has a problem with folks from the same neighborhood, OH my neighborhood. Paul your a bigot and I'm sure that was there long before you got to Daytop. Most of the folks here are and they act like they don't know this. No problem though people can learn to stop abusing.
I find it funny that your blaming a resident of different persuasion, being abused himself for your uncomfortability in Daytop. The staff were using him because of his persona.
Danny
Quotes from Ursus,
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30639&start=15 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30639&start=15)
Re: Public School Abuse
Postby Ursus » Yesterday, 6:03 pm
1) As far as public schools go, it really depends mostly on the neighborhood and/or town, doesn't it? If you think that what's going on in a PS in Grosse Point, Michigan or Manhasset, Long Island can possibly compare with what's going on in a PS in the South Bronx, you are seriously delusional.
Re: Public School Abuse
Postby Ursus » Yesterday, 10:37
2) Just what are you trying to say here? Are you trying to dissuade me from pointing out the obvious, namely, that not all public schools are equivalent when it comes to the quality of the education one receives, that local poverty does affect the quality of services one does or does not receive at school, and that some schools have significant problems with bullying and others do not?
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Oh Woooooooowwwwwww. Don't Paul and I look sooooooo bad here! I might never be able to face myself in the mirror again!
Tell me: when 60 Minutes or National Public Radio does a piece on how poverty affects the quality of neighborhood schools, do you call them "bigots" as well? :twofinger:
Danny, your problem is not dyslexia. I've known a few dyslexics in my time and their particular brand of genius is not of your ilk.
You seem to lack the capability of comprehending context.
This might also help explain your fetish for censoring avatars that might just have a clitoris lurking in there somewhere, if only you could somehow zoom in enough. Is this why you've been shopping for a new computer lately?
Bigger, badder, stronger! More bullying from Danny-o! Doncha just know it! :rocker:
I blew that avatar up AND There is no CROCH on the CARTOON AVATAR.
I can only surmise that looking for CARTOON CROCHES has been totally overlooked by every single DSM.
I can only imagine this playing out in the Psychiatrist's office......
NAZI PSYCHIATRIST: (Insert eastern european accent) "Mr. Bennison it say's here that you have a fixation with looking for Cartoon Vagina's?"
DANNY BENNISON: "Yes Dr. Frankenspeak I am offended by loose Woman in Cartoons."
NAZI PSYCHIATRIST: "How long have you felt this way?"
DANNY BENNISON: "I was watching the Power Puff Girls one day and I just knew those little girls had vagina's, I could not see them but I knew they had them"
NAZI PSYCHIATRIST: "Have you ever tried to touch the vaginal area of a Cartoon?"
DANNY BENNISON : "I try, but people are picking on me every day and I can hardly look for Cartoon Vagina's anymore...make them stop!"
NAZI PSYCHIATRIST: "The Cartoon Vagina's are picking on you, I don't understand."
DANNY BENNISON: "No it's the attention Whores"
NAZI PSYCHIATRIST: "Tell me about the Cartoon Whore Danny"
DANNY BENNISON: "They are REAL attention Whores."
NAZI PSYCHIATRIST: "Yes Danny, but are they Cartoon's?"
DANNY BENNISON: "No the Attention Whore's just want to talk about how I and others like me abused them as Teens"
NAZI PSYCHIATRIST: "So the Cartoon Vagina's are real people?"
DANNY BENNISON: "Yes"
NAZI PSYCHIATRIST: :on phone: "Nurse, I need an IM of HALDOL stat.
DANNY BENNISON: "So you can help these people to stop picking on me?"
NAZI PSYCHIATRIST: :on phone: "PAGING MR..... GREEN...MR. GREEN TO THE CONFERENCE ROOM.
DANNY BENNISON : "You are going to help me right? make the abused kid's go away?"
NAZI PSYCHIATRIST: "You will be fine, just do what the Psych nurse says."
Stay tuned while we watch Danno get some Professional Help.....live 24/7 right here on Fornits :roflmao:
-
Felice why now??????? Why not bring this example up back when you initiated this topic. May I ask a question please......please. Why in gods name would you force your kids (round peg) into a public school arena (square hole) when you know their emotional social skills are disabled dramatically. I agree with not sending a child with this disability to JRC. Banging heads and self-mutilation something different now. I fully agree that god has blessed some mothers with the ability and finances to deal with this. The little I do know about the educational system I do know they should not be involved at all. They don't do what they say and they always lose the funding. So no I'll stay with the ideas of others I've heard from, get special programs to deal with this. Why are we trying to force this on public schools anyways, so parents can entertain the fantasy that their child is normal or is it because they cannot afford the special care elsewhere.
Felice if in fact her kids are going to public school then they are exceptionally high functioning autistic or border line asperger (if in fact you can be).
Anyway how much can I really know I am sure there are folks with these disabilities doing things that would surprise the normal.
*spark* *spark*
Why Danno?
Because Government can not love your kid.
I am sure if my friend ever saw the ignorant ass comment you posted here she would go BALLISTIC on yer ass.
You would get 10 pages of an intelligent rant that your low I.Q. is INCAPABLE of COMPREHENDING.
She is busy right now I imagine..fighting with some "Educator" or cleaning up the last "Creative Mess " that her 13 year old non-verbal, headbanging, shit smearing CHILD THAT SHE LOVES has made.
Said child probably has an I.Q. that blows your away, he UNDERSTANDS and COMPREHENDS EVERYTHING!!!
He is frustrated out of his mind because he can not COMMUNICATE his feeling thoughts wants and needs.
Danno if there is a G-d out there I hope you "Magically" spend a DAY (can I get 48 hours?......no no lets make this a 72 hour hold) walking around in one of "our" shoes here in SW Wisconsin.
My friend and I have studied more law and changed more policy around here ten years then anybody around us.
We are not from Wisconsin.
We are just "here".
Live just 72 hours of my life Spammy in fact I will make it EXTRA HORRIFYING and you can be HER... :roflmao:
Come back and tell us what you learned Danny in just 72 hours....?
I am so happy you are not G-d....this world would absolutly blow! (No fun, no cartoons with imaginary vaginas)
I suppose you don't do Mosh Pits either Danny?
I have friends that you can not even immagine!
I think I will call Elan now and DEMAND a fuckin' DIPLOMA for dealing with Elan Road Kill for 27 years...hell I think I need a Job there.....I know I will feel better about all that I have witnessed in multiple systems while my own Children were in FOSTER TORTURE.....if I just "Get with YOUR Program"...Right?
Well Daanibennikruglickgott-bottclairewashADAM I have DEAD FRIENDS and Probably a few Dead ones I don't even know about. They are comming to visit you and when you call the Police for "Ghosts" you will get a "crumb" of my (oops no HER life...you know the one who should not stuff her round kid in a square box, the one who should have the professionals mis-treat her baby...the one who drove to Washinton D.C. to advocate for her Children the one who MAKES the LEGISLATIVE POLICY'S through blood sweat shit headbanging and tears every single day!) life....have fun with Dr. Frankenspeak.....WELCOME TO HELL.
-
- Elan road kill- :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
(http://http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/fxckbuddy/RoadKill.png)
-
Thank You Photo Man!
We are now "Getting the BIG PICTURE"
-
findings of an AP investigation in which reporters sought disciplinary records in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The result is an unprecedented national look at the scope of sex offenses by educators _ the very definition of breach of trust.
The seven-month investigation found 2,570 educators whose teaching credentials were revoked, denied, surrendered or sanctioned from 2001 through 2005 following allegations of sexual misconduct.
Young people were the victims in at least 1,801 of the cases, and more than 80 percent of those were students.
...
Wow. Stunner.
In the year 2000 there were approximately 76 million students in the USA. Of these 76 million, this study shows, 1,441 (80% 0f 1,801 young victims) were victims of sex offenses by educators during a four year period. So, the average for one year would be 360. 360 out of 76,000, 000, or a whopping .00004%.
Four millionths of one percent of public school students are victims of sexual misconduct by teachers.
Of course, that's too many - this shouldn't happen at all. But, this figure is several orders of magnitude lower than in programs, for sure. Take, for example, Aspen programs in Oregon where child protective services declared that the very program was abusive and "100% of the kids were abused" and several rapes/sex assaults were reported. And this is just two facilities in one state run by one company. Imagine if real data were available from programs? I would bet the incidence of sex abuse is at least a thousand times higher than in public schools.
Thank you, Whooter, for debunking your own bullshit lies about how much safer programs are than public schools.
-
WoW looky we have a Ursus clone, your a bigot. Jeesh this place here is getting more honest every day.
Ursus has a problem with folks from the same neighborhood, OH my neighborhood. Paul your a bigot and I'm sure that was there long before you got to Daytop. Most of the folks here are and they act like they don't know this. No problem though people can learn to stop abusing.
I find it funny that your blaming a resident of different persuasion, being abused himself for your uncomfortability in Daytop. The staff were using him because of his persona.
Danny you seem to be set on declaring people bigots. Ursus is a bigot because he acknowledged that school programs in one area are better then in another. You don t read much, do you? You assume that he was referring to race, when in actuality, it is more the wealth levels of the different areas which are responsible for this. Either way, it is a fact.
Ginger, you called a bigot, just because she disagreed with you, personally.. a non-racist bigot.
And now me you call a bigot. However, you did make one wrong assumption. There were plenty of black people in daytop, but the person that I am talking about was white. he hung with all the black kids in daytop, but he was white, and he was also an asshole. I couldn t help but to hate him. If he did the things he said he did, he had no remorse, and I thought that he was getting off too easy.
Also, this resident wasn t so much abused himself. He bought in very quickly. He never even really believed in any of it. He just got ahead of the bullet.
Paul
It might be worth mentioning that the school I attended before Daytop was about 60 percent black.. probably ten percent Spanish, and the rest white. Just to finsih, hopefully, putting an end to this bigot-shit. I had about as many black friends in high school, as I did white friends, at least the year prior to going to Daytop.
-
DJ, you were looking at numbers of educators who lost or were denied a license following a sexual misconduct... 80% were due to misconduct with a child.
Here is the number you were looking for:
The report goes on to say:
One report mandated by Congress estimated that as many as 4.5 million students, out of roughly 50 million in American schools, are subject to sexual misconduct by an employee of a school sometime between kindergarten and 12th grade. That figure includes verbal harassment that's sexual in nature.
So we are looking at 9% of our student population.
...
-
Take, for example, Aspen programs in Oregon where child protective services declared that the very program was abusive and "100% of the kids were abused" and several rapes/sex assaults were reported. And this is just two facilities in one state run by one company. Imagine if real data were available from programs?
(http://http://a4.vox.com/6a00c225257507604a00fae8c21e94000b-500pi)
Thank you, Whooter, for debunking your own bullshit lies about how much safer programs are than public schools.
:rofl:
-
Take, for example, Aspen programs in Oregon where child protective services declared that the very program was abusive and "100% of the kids were abused" and several rapes/sex assaults were reported. And this is just two facilities in one state run by one company. Imagine if real data were available from programs? I would bet the incidence of sex abuse is at least a thousand times higher than in public schools.
And the position below, held by so many in this industry explains why so many come out so damaged.
http://www.teenhelponline.com/trust-your-teen.html (http://www.teenhelponline.com/trust-your-teen.html)
#4 TRUST AND OPENNESS AMONG AT RISK YOUTH VERSUS INVASION AND EXPOSURE
Some confrontation groups use strong group pressure to break down a at risk youth’s defenses in order to compel “honesty.” A target of such a group is sometimes referred to as “being on the hot sea.” Trying to defend against interrogation but subjected to intense attack from the group, the at risk youth eventually breaks under the strain of prolonged confrontation. Defenses are shattered, a flood of emotion comes forth, and the inner person is bared for the scrutiny of the group. The climate of the confrontation groups is one of invasion and exposure.
-
Four millionths of one percent of public school students are victims of sexual misconduct by teachers.
:rofl: Pwned hard.
And then he tries yet again by re-citing the original, laughable, de-bunked "study".
Oh and DJ I dunno if you caught this one, funniest thing he's ever said..
-
The AP found the number of state actions against sexually abusive teachers rose steadily, to a high of 649 in 2005.
...
Main Stream Media Whootius Maximus?
::evil::
-
I can't think of the word right now but there was a time in my life when I sat down and realized that humility was needed.
LOL, Danny! Was this yesterday?
Also, I know that I am a little cocky Danny. I don t think that it s that big of a deal. People are who they are.
I know I made mistake when I was 14. I was actually a very different person, 2 and a half years later when I went to Daytop. and of course, even more so different now, but in the end, this really isnt t about me. It is about TC's, and this thread is stupid, because it's purpose is to sidetrack people from reality. Whooter knows that. Or maybe he doesn t! Maybe he got himself to believe it.
Paul
-
Whooter, what are you trying to prove?
Why don't you just come out and say it?
Paul
-
LOL. Bennison, So many of your posts are really eerily similar to Layne Meacham. How the hell did you jump to racist from Paul ST. John taking umbrage to being in program where people who confess to murders are rewarded with group hugs, while people who slip shot their hospital corners on their bed are shot down?
I am not doubting that Daytop (now) uses residents for various different purposes. Elan did the exact same thing. Elan had this big bad ass black dude named V.S. 6'4" 240lbs, when guys were playing "I'm a smart ass" Joe would just have to mention this guys name and whoever was fucking around would stop.
When I was there (Daytop) for my short time most of the residents at that time all came from prison towards the end of their time (Daytop was almost like a 3/4 house). When they spoke of the violence they lived through, they weren't looking for a promotion they were just dumping. I don't know about the Daytop you experienced.
Inculcate I can read through the lines I do think I know where Paul was coming from.
FYI a lot of confessions like that happened. In the two+ years I was there I heard one and heard “side talk” about still two more. It’s statistically improbable that in that span of time Daytop actually had three teen killers in their midst. It had a hell of a lot to do with a program that would pull people up for being too image, but reward and insist upon confessions and the grittier the better. Some of those intense groups went down as smooth and subtle as a tube of ipecac and they didn’t really stop when there was nothing to “drop” but bile.
Like I said I don't know about your time at Daytop, I will say this at any given time in Elan from 75-78 there were at least 3 rapist/ child molesters (convicted), 2 manslaughter (convicted), 2 attempted murder (convicted), 1 stalking/peeping toms, I went through the program with them as resident and staff. While I was in Elan I heard or witnessed 3 stabbing (not you know who's), 2 attempted molestations, 1 attempted murder while trying to flee Elan and I kidnapping a staff person and molesting and beating her over a three day period.
So Inculcate yes there can be as many as 3 murderers in your presence at Daytop if the "powers to be" just want the money.
All of what I just said is the truth, I will not mention any names of the perps nor especially the victims.
WoW looky we have a Ursus clone, your a bigot. Jeesh this place here is getting more honest every day.
Ursus has a problem with folks from the same neighborhood, OH my neighborhood. Paul your a bigot and I'm sure that was there long before you got to Daytop. Most of the folks here are and they act like they don't know this. No problem though people can learn to stop abusing.
I find it funny that your blaming a resident of different persuasion, being abused himself for your uncomfortability in Daytop. The staff were using him because of his persona.
Danny
That said, you're probably dead on about that very last sentence.
They love the gangsta's it makes there (Staff) jobs easier, they can use their image and persona to intimidate their peers. Keep them in line through fear. It is not respect Paul. He impressed folks with his image of "fear me".
Danny
-
I can't think of the word right now but there was a time in my life when I sat down and realized that humility was needed.
LOL, Danny! Was this yesterday?
A little cocky......
Also, I know that I am a little cocky Danny. I don t think that it s that big of a deal. People are who they are.
Jeffery Dalmer said the same thing.....duh...."people are who they are".
Your character is what folks see first, your cockiness has brought you loads of trouble I'm sure.
I know I made mistake when I was 14. I was actually a very different person, 2 and a half years later when I went to Daytop. and of course, even more so different now, but in the end, this really isnt t about me.
This is all about you here, here is where all your problems started right in public school. They had to find you another place to go. You were trouble, part of the problem not the solution. Daytop wasn't even in the picture yet when you were tormenting the hell out of everyone.
It is about TC's, and this thread is stupid, because it's purpose is to sidetrack people from reality. Whooter knows that. Or maybe he doesn t! Maybe he got himself to believe it.
Paul
Whooter Smooter he is not your problem nor is anything being sidetracked, who the hell said this was all about TC's......You??????? This is about children being abused in schools are you with us or against us. I noticed everyone wants to move on, not participate, change the subject. Why is this brand of abuse not captivating enough for you or is it where the abuse is happening not intriguing to your passions.
Your a phony admit it your here for the glory, SEE ME.....There is abuse in all schools of America. We were established with the rejects of other societies/countries the Puritans.
-
Come on Whooter...
Let's skip the foreplay. Come out and say it!
Paul
-
I can't think of the word right now but there was a time in my life when I sat down and realized that humility was needed.
LOL, Danny! Was this yesterday?
A little cocky......
Also, I know that I am a little cocky Danny. I don t think that it s that big of a deal. People are who they are.
Jeffery Dalmer said the same thing.....duh...."people are who they are".
Your character is what folks see first, your cockiness has brought you loads of trouble I'm sure.
Everything comes with a price Danny.
I know I made mistake when I was 14. I was actually a very different person, 2 and a half years later when I went to Daytop. and of course, even more so different now, but in the end, this really isnt t about me.
This is all about you here, here is where all your problems started right in public school. They had to find you another place to go. You were trouble, part of the problem not the solution. Daytop wasn't even in the picture yet when you were tormenting the hell out of everyone.
Danny, what the fuck are talking about dude? LOL! Where the hell do you get this idea, that I was tormenting the hell out of everyone.. I was actually a pretty well liked guy. You sound so much like a bullshit counselor, it's as if you re doing it on purpose. Damn, man...
It is about TC's, and this thread is stupid, because it's purpose is to sidetrack people from reality. Whooter knows that. Or maybe he doesn t! Maybe he got himself to believe it.
Paul
Whooter Smooter he is not your problem nor is anything being sidetracked, who the hell said this was all about TC's......You???????
My point Danny, which I guess your dyslexia caused you to miss is that, the discussions here are not about Paul St. John. Regardless of anything about me, facts are facts. this is not a board about me. TC's are the topic. If I am right about something, I am right about it, reguardless of my childhood. You accuse me of being self-absorbed. Have you looked in the mirror lately? You accuse me of only caring about my own conclusions, when I have offered you opportunity, after opportunity, for you to present yours. Besides, as far as you are concerned, Ginger is my mommy, and I don t actually have conclusions... She and the other fornits people brainwashed me.. or are we finally past that?
This is about children being abused in schools are you with us or against us.
That's not what it is about Danny. Are you really that fucking stupid?
I noticed everyone wants to move on, not participate, change the subject.
Why is this brand of abuse not captivating enough for you or is it where the abuse is happening not intriguing to your passions.
I'll talk about it another time.. another place. Here, it is being used as a weapon.
Your a phony admit it your here for the glory, SEE ME.....
Of all people Danny.....
Why are you here, again?
There is abuse in all schools of America.
Right Danny.. MMMhhmm.. Yup!
We were established with the rejects of other societies/countries the Puritans.
Danny, go fuck yourself! You don t like this country, GET THE FUCK OUT! That s how you view this country. Established by rejects?
You re a fucking reject. This country was established by the most innovative thinkers of their time.. But then I guess you are not a big fan of freedom are you?
Paul
-
Oh Woooooooowwwwwww. Don't Paul and I look sooooooo bad here! I might never be able to face myself in the mirror again!
I'll tell you what go to the South Bronxs School Board and deliver your message, then get back to us. OK.
Here is your link: http://www.localschooldirectory.com/cit ... s/Bronx/NY (http://www.localschooldirectory.com/city-schools/Bronx/NY)
Tell me: when 60 Minutes or National Public Radio does a piece on how poverty affects the quality of neighborhood schools, do you call them "bigots" as well?
Like I said above take it to the South Bronxs.....60 Minutes will not be able to save you.
Hey pal don't ever compare yourself to Morley Schafer again. What a schelp......
Danny, your problem is not dyslexia. I've known a few dyslexics in my time and their particular brand of genius is not of your ilk.
Jeesh this is a step down for you, I call you on your character and you disparage my disability on a Web site that advocates for people with disabilities, plus I am a survivor. Keep going Ursus your on a roll.
Yes you are a bigot without a doubt. That is splayed all over those posts I displayed.
You seem to lack the capability of comprehending context .
Ya that doesn't have anything to do with dyslexia.
This might also help explain your fetish for censoring avatars that might just have a clitoris lurking in there somewhere, if only you could somehow zoom in enough. Is this why you've been shopping for a new computer lately?
Now this is all you my friend, your mind-your post. Don't put this on me. Why do you abuse Anne like you do, she doesn't even see it either.
Bigger, badder, stronger! More bullying from Danny-o! Doncha just know it!
LOL....I'm bullying this is great. Everytime Danny gets close to the spot with Ursus I'm bullying....OK.
Ursus it is not my problem you spent all your energy on copying, pasting, posting and being a wordsmith, yet failed to develop a moral character.
Brother it would be nice if you laid off the folks from the So. Bronxs. Most of them are from a different persuasion. Noticed there are none here, hmmmmmmm wonder why.
Danny
-
- Hitler - :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
(http://http://shaila11.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/adolf-hitler.jpg)
-
Why Danno?
Because Government can not love your kid.
I am sure if my friend ever saw the ignorant ass comment you posted here she would go BALLISTIC on yer ass.
You would get 10 pages of an intelligent rant that your low I.Q. is INCAPABLE of COMPREHENDING.
She is busy right now I imagine..fighting with some "Educator" or cleaning up the last "Creative Mess " that her 13 year old non-verbal, headbanging, shit smearing CHILD THAT SHE LOVES has made.
Said child probably has an I.Q. that blows your away, he UNDERSTANDS and COMPREHENDS EVERYTHING!!!
He is frustrated out of his mind because he can not COMMUNICATE his feeling thoughts wants and needs.
Danno if there is a G-d out there I hope you "Magically" spend a DAY (can I get 48 hours?......no no lets make this a 72 hour hold) walking around in one of "our" shoes here in SW Wisconsin.
My friend and I have studied more law and changed more policy around here ten years then anybody around us.
We are not from Wisconsin.
We are just "here".
Live just 72 hours of my life Spammy in fact I will make it EXTRA HORRIFYING and you can be HER... :roflmao:
Come back and tell us what you learned Danny in just 72 hours....?
I am so happy you are not G-d....this world would absolutly blow! (No fun, no cartoons with imaginary vaginas)
I suppose you don't do Mosh Pits either Danny?
I have friends that you can not even immagine!
I think I will call Elan now and DEMAND a fuckin' DIPLOMA for dealing with Elan Road Kill for 27 years...hell I think I need a Job there.....I know I will feel better about all that I have witnessed in multiple systems while my own Children were in FOSTER TORTURE.....if I just "Get with YOUR Program"...Right?
Well Daanibennikruglickgott-bottclairewashADAM I have DEAD FRIENDS and Probably a few Dead ones I don't even know about. They are comming to visit you and when you call the Police for "Ghosts" you will get a "crumb" of my (oops no HER life...you know the one who should not stuff her round kid in a square box, the one who should have the professionals mis-treat her baby...the one who drove to Washinton D.C. to advocate for her Children the one who MAKES the LEGISLATIVE POLICY'S through blood sweat shit headbanging and tears every single day!) life....have fun with Dr. Frankenspeak.....WELCOME TO HELL.
Felice do you ever read any of my posts really. I did not say nor imply most of what you said there. Why would I make fun of kids as you described. I would never do that and never have anywhere on this site. I have kids they are off limits in my book.
I guess I may have misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that this mother was bringing her children to public schools who were autistic and trying to get the school district to deal with them. I'm just saying why.
(ya know what Felice I'll be honest I thought you were bullshitting me/pulling my leg in a off color way).
I don't know how to take you in any given post. Whether your serious or not.
I apologize if I offended your friend and her children, I also extend the same to you.
Frankly I know we mess with one another Felice but as always I respect the work you have done to wake up the mental health industry.
Danny
-
I can't think of the word right now but there was a time in my life when I sat down and realized that humility was needed.
LOL, Danny! Was this yesterday?
A little cocky......
Also, I know that I am a little cocky Danny. I don t think that it s that big of a deal. People are who they are.
Jeffery Dalmer said the same thing.....duh...."people are who they are".
Your character is what folks see first, your cockiness has brought you loads of trouble I'm sure.
Everything comes with a price Danny.
I know I made mistake when I was 14. I was actually a very different person, 2 and a half years later when I went to Daytop. and of course, even more so different now, but in the end, this really isnt t about me.
This is all about you here, here is where all your problems started right in public school. They had to find you another place to go. You were trouble, part of the problem not the solution. Daytop wasn't even in the picture yet when you were tormenting the hell out of everyone.
Danny, what the fuck are talking about dude? LOL! Where the hell do you get this idea, that I was tormenting the hell out of everyone.. I was actually a pretty well liked guy. You sound so much like a bullshit counselor, it's as if you re doing it on purpose. Damn, man...
Well if you were so well liked and well adjusted getting straight A's ect.....what fuck happened. You fell off a turnip truck and ended up in Daytop.
It is about TC's, and this thread is stupid, because it's purpose is to sidetrack people from reality. Whooter knows that. Or maybe he doesn t! Maybe he got himself to believe it.
Paul
Whooter Smooter he is not your problem nor is anything being sidetracked, who the hell said this was all about TC's......You???????
My point Danny, which I guess your dyslexia caused you to miss is that, the discussions here are not about Paul St. John. Regardless of anything about me, facts are facts. this is not a board about me. TC's are the topic. If I am right about something, I am right about it, reguardless of my childhood. You accuse me of being self-absorbed. Have you looked in the mirror lately? You accuse me of only caring about my own conclusions, when I have offered you opportunity, after opportunity, for you to present yours. Besides, as far as you are concerned, Ginger is my mommy, and I don t actually have conclusions... She and the other fornits people brainwashed me.. or are we finally past that?
See protege`Ursus would be proud of you, using my disability to insult me on a web site that advocated for survivors with disabilities. Who said TC's are the topic, YOU. You are heavily influenced by other members here read your posts you spit out the same language, it is scary. Yes the discussions can be about and for you.
This is about children being abused in schools are you with us or against us.
That's not what it is about Danny. Are you really that fucking stupid?
Bravo, Thanks for someone finally getting honest, do tell what is this about. I am all about abuse against children just not they way you want me to.
I noticed everyone wants to move on, not participate, change the subject.
Why is this brand of abuse not captivating enough for you or is it where the abuse is happening not intriguing to your passions.
I'll talk about it another time.. another place. Here, it is being used as a weapon.
Who has the gun in their hand, Paul. Think about it ??????????
Your a phony admit it your here for the glory, SEE ME.....
Of all people Danny.....
Why are you here, again?
You know exactly why I am here to make sure you tell the truth.......
There is abuse in all schools of America.
Right Danny.. MMMhhmm.. Yup!
We were established with the rejects of other societies/countries the Puritans.
Danny, go fuck yourself! You don t like this country, GET THE FUCK OUT! That s how you view this country. Established by rejects?
You re a fucking reject. This country was established by the most innovative thinkers of their time.. But then I guess you are not a big fan of freedom are you?
Read your history bigot, innovators in slavery, innovators in wiping out the whole Indian race practically, innovators in killing 2 million Vietnamese with 500lbs,1000lbs bombs, innovators in setting off 2 atom bombs, innovators in killing college students at Kent State and on and on......innovators in selling high-risk home mortgages packages overseas, George Washington had slaves as did most of our innovators. It took England to finally persuade us to stop abusing the black man, yes the very country we were fighting at one time to stop abusing us.
So yes if this is what you respect and want, I will go FUCK myself. I'll pay for it too. If you think we have freedom here well I don't know what to say. Freedom is a Utopian idea I gave up on long ago.
Paul
-
HER CHILDREN ARE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!!!
By the way Jesus an Hitler were both Jewish____________________your daily wisdom
Did I tell you to fuck off today?
I am sending you a gift, enjoy.
-
Whootys point is that as a Parent with Money you want to save your kid from public school abuse and our underfunded public school system. Parents always have good "intent"....
-
HER CHILDREN ARE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!!!
By the way Jesus an Hitler were both Jewish____________________your daily wisdom
Did I tell you to fuck off today?
I am sending you a gift, enjoy.
Well then let me understand her kids are autistic and are in school, regular middle school. Felice then all I have to say is once again your a liar, which should not surprise me.
I done.
Danny
-
- SOTP - :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
(http://http://www.thejokester.net/images/Dyslexia.jpg)
-
Bennison sigh…See just when you were being reasonable for like five minutes, then you lash out at Eliscu2.
I’m going to post what I was going to jump into the thread with anyway. Since you’ve already lashed out at those two, maybe you’ve got it out of you system and can go back to the discussion.
[No this is not a stupid thread at all. First abuses happening to kids is never stupid (not that you meant that) and is always worth talking about. ...
Danny
That’s true but punitive tactics like the ones common to TC’s are relatively rare in Public Schools.
Like for instance when was the last time you heard of “Haircuts” in a middle school?
... NO I am not say'in that you deserved to be abused at Daytop. I don't care what you did, no one deserves to be abused. I can't think of the word right now but there was a time in my life when I sat down and realized that humility was needed.Danny
Were they still giving literal (not just verbal) haircuts at Daytop back then? Did the women have to wear skullcaps after theirs?
-
HER CHILDREN ARE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!!!
By the way Jesus an Hitler were both Jewish____________________your daily wisdom
Did I tell you to fuck off today?
I am sending you a gift, enjoy.
Well then let me understand her kids are autistic and are in school, regular middle school. Felice then all I have to say is once again your a liar, which should not surprise me.
I done.
Danny
Why am I lying?
CARTOON VAGINA ELAN DIRECTOR CHILD MOLESTER MAN????
Why did you lie about Micheal, what happened to Caroline?
Do you know your ass from a hole in the ground?
Do you think I care if you die a gruesome violent death? :clown:
Why would you play with fire?
Who do you answer to?
Why do you have 1000+ posts in 6 months and have said nothing sounding like a real person?
Do you like Ludafisk?
Have you checked your Grandchild?
How was AA NAZI Bible thumping class?
If I grow a big huge cock will you suck it good?
Have you seen any CARTOON CROTCH???
Are you the moral police?
Do you know Darth Vader? :roflmao:
-
- Darth vader - :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
(http://http://andymoore.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/darth_vader.jpg)
-
Bennison sigh…See just when you were being reasonable for like five minutes, then you lash out at Eliscu2.
I’m going to post what I was going to jump into the thread with anyway. Since you’ve already lashed out at those two, maybe you’ve got it out of you system and can go back to the discussion.
[No this is not a stupid thread at all. First abuses happening to kids is never stupid (not that you meant that) and is always worth talking about. ...
Danny
That’s true but punitive tactics like the ones common to TC’s are relatively rare in Public Schools.
Like for instance when was the last time you heard of “Haircuts” in a middle school?
... NO I am not say'in that you deserved to be abused at Daytop. I don't care what you did, no one deserves to be abused. I can't think of the word right now but there was a time in my life when I sat down and realized that humility was needed.Danny
Were they still giving literal (not just verbal) haircuts at Daytop back then? Did the women have to wear skullcaps after theirs?
He has been busted so many times...it's the idiot factor.
Needed a "Control Group" at Elan.
Good Funding Stream assett.
Guaranteed Cash from the State.
Poor kid's were guaranteed to come on violent and sick and grab the only power they would ever have.
Rich kids knew that "Nothing Lasts Forever"
I suspect Spammy never had that "Hope" errrr CASH POWER or Intelligence.
Spammy is upset because he needs a good hooker and some fun and happiness, he may even need love.
I would not piss on him if he were on fire, I would figure it was a good thing to watch Danny burn :rasta:
Simple really.....he still is unwanted and unliked by everyone, he will live in his worst fear until he......Go's to Camp.
-
- Prostitute - :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
(http://http://seemikedraw.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/lego-prostitute.gif)
-
HER CHILDREN ARE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!!!
By the way Jesus an Hitler were both Jewish____________________your daily wisdom
Did I tell you to fuck off today?
I am sending you a gift, enjoy.
Well then let me understand her kids are autistic and are in school, regular middle school. Felice then all I have to say is once again your a liar, which should not surprise me.
I done.
Danny
Danny your dumb as hell the PUBLIC school system offers special education for Autistic children and children with other disabilities. Some ppl have to rely on the PUBLIC system because they are not rich. Danny no offense but other than mental abusing children, what other experience do you have???? The fucken PUBLIC school system tries to place disabilied children in with the children without disabilities all the time to cut costs, it is a sad reality. Oh that's right compassion for childrens needs seriously lack in you.
I forgot your only here to satifisy your overactive ego.....is there any hope for you? Look outside yourself, you might have some knowledge Daniel but you lack all wisdom. There are other ppl in the world Daniel, it is not all about you..you...you....
Felice has done a lot of work geared for helping children and adults...and she knows what the hell she is talking about here. I can say one thing she researches everything....hell she even gave me some good advice regarding my disabilied son. So stop speaking to her like she is ignorant because Danny your the one looking ignorant as ever. The kids out there need more then our systems will give them, and it all boils down to money. They do the bare minium for our youth and it is beginning to show fully.
And for your little comment about me kissing Felices ass...no I am not...friends fight...but real friends forgive each other...that is the true meaning of friendship to care enough to work past a conflict. Friends do not always agree but they work past the bad shit. We hurt each other but are moving on and it is our business. I am glad we both cared enough to come back and privately work it out. That shows friendship. Your just pissed strong bonds are being made all around you, but your the one who shits repeatedly on ppl. PPl tried with you and forgave you several times. Is it sad Danny not knowing how to actually fight for friendship because of the distrusting emotions you feel daily. Even sadder is you never had forgivness for others or uncondtional love. In the real world Danny no one is perfect, people screw up...it is how they take care of it afterwards that shows thier true character.
-
- Lamp - :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
(http://http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l188/sharpshot1212/040108_fake_vagina.jpg)
-
- Darth vader - :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
(http://http://andymoore.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/darth_vader.jpg)
-
- Hitler - :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
(http://http://shaila11.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/adolf-hitler.jpg)
Do not ever forget that Programming is just "Crafty Eugenics"
Where did we get those phony Dr.'s from..............THE NAZI'S?????? wtf :suicide:
Just awful... :poison:
-
HER CHILDREN ARE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!!!
By the way Jesus an Hitler were both Jewish____________________your daily wisdom
Did I tell you to fuck off today?
I am sending you a gift, enjoy.
Well then let me understand her kids are autistic and are in school, regular middle school. Felice then all I have to say is once again your a liar, which should not surprise me.
I done.
Danny
Danny your dumb as hell the PUBLIC school system offers special education for Autistic children and children with other disabilities. Some ppl have to rely on the PUBLIC system because they are not rich. Danny no offense but other than mental abusing children, what other experience do you have???? The fucken PUBLIC school system tries to place disabilied children in with the children without disabilities all the time to cut costs, it is a sad reality. Oh that's right compassion for childrens needs seriously lack in you.
I forgot your only here to satifisy your overactive ego.....is there any hope for you? Look outside yourself, you might have some knowledge Daniel but you lack all wisdom. There are other ppl in the world Daniel, it is not all about you..you...you....
Felice has done a lot of work geared for helping children and adults...and she knows what the hell she is talking about here. I can say one thing she researches everything....hell she even gave me some good advice regarding my disabilied son. So stop speaking to her like she is ignorant because Danny your the one looking ignorant as ever. The kids out there need more then our systems will give them, and it all boils down to money. They do the bare minium for our youth and it is beginning to show fully.
Danny, are you saying that there is no such thing as special ed for autistics, dyslexics, etc. in the public school system? Are you nuts? Go look in the phone book, in the sublistings for your local school system. What do you think "special ed" means? Extra special perks for the kids who behave themselves and get good grades? "Special ed" is short for specialized education.
Oh, I just remembered. You think these kids should be housed off somewhere where nobody has to see or deal with them. Special schools for special kids, where special abuse can go on unnoticed by folk with more sane perspectives.
The fact is, outside of the enormously wealthy, most parents cannot afford special ed services for their kid unless their needs are quite minimal. Most special ed kids are in the public school system for that very reason.
-
I.E.P. wadda fuckin braindead useless one!
-
HER CHILDREN ARE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!!!
By the way Jesus an Hitler were both Jewish____________________your daily wisdom
Did I tell you to fuck off today?
I am sending you a gift, enjoy.
Well then let me understand her kids are autistic and are in school, regular middle school. Felice then all I have to say is once again your a liar, which should not surprise me.
I done.
Danny
Danny your dumb as hell the PUBLIC school system offers special education for Autistic children and children with other disabilities. Some ppl have to rely on the PUBLIC system because they are not rich. Danny no offense but other than mental abusing children, what other experience do you have???? The fucken PUBLIC school system tries to place disabilied children in with the children without disabilities all the time to cut costs, it is a sad reality. Oh that's right compassion for childrens needs seriously lack in you.
I forgot your only here to satifisy your overactive ego.....is there any hope for you? Look outside yourself, you might have some knowledge Daniel but you lack all wisdom. There are other ppl in the world Daniel, it is not all about you..you...you....
Felice has done a lot of work geared for helping children and adults...and she knows what the hell she is talking about here. I can say one thing she researches everything....hell she even gave me some good advice regarding my disabilied son. So stop speaking to her like she is ignorant because Danny your the one looking ignorant as ever. The kids out there need more then our systems will give them, and it all boils down to money. They do the bare minium for our youth and it is beginning to show fully.
Danny, are you saying that there is no such thing as special ed for autistics, dyslexics, etc. in the public school system? Are you nuts? Go look in the phone book, in the sublistings for your local school system. What do you think "special ed" means? Extra special perks for the kids who behave themselves and get good grades? "Special ed" is short for specialized education.
Oh, I just remembered. You think these kids should be housed off somewhere where nobody has to see or deal with them. Special schools for special kids, where special abuse can go on unnoticed by folk with more sane perspectives.
The fact is, outside of the enormously wealthy, most parents cannot afford special ed services for their kid unless their needs are quite minimal. Most special ed kids are in the public school system for that very reason.
ummmmmmCARTOON CROCH POLICE MAN ELAN DIRECT ABUSER SPEAK FOR........"do"
-
Bennison sigh…See just when you were being reasonable for like five minutes, then you lash out at Eliscu2.
Inculcate has this become one of your passions to stick up for the other guy when I am involved. Have you noticed all of the threads dedicated to me, they aren't glamorizing. At least try to show fairness.
I’m going to post what I was going to jump into the thread with anyway. Since you’ve already lashed out at those two, maybe you’ve got it out of you system and can go back to the discussion.
Your smart-aleckly mouth doesn't help.
[No this is not a stupid thread at all. First abuses happening to kids is never stupid (not that you meant that) and is always worth talking about. ...
Danny
That’s true but punitive tactics like the ones common to TC’s are relatively rare in Public Schools.
Like for instance when was the last time you heard of “Haircuts” in a middle school?
Punitive actions what is corporal punishment, being called up to the front of the classroom and humiliated.
... NO I am not say'in that you deserved to be abused at Daytop. I don't care what you did, no one deserves to be abused. I can't think of the word right now but there was a time in my life when I sat down and realized that humility was needed.Danny
Were they still giving literal (not just verbal) haircuts at Daytop back then? Did the women have to wear skullcaps after theirs?
Yes they were doing both. I would say though the literal haircut was a fear based tool, since long hair and large afros were a status symbol back in the early 70's. Folks were really into images/persona's then. I believe this is why signs, verbal haircuts, verbal announcements and so on were introduced. To break through this image we had built that was so self destructive. Women while I was at Daytop, Marathon, Elan and The Third Nail did not get literal haircuts. I remember Joe Cataldo asking for a women to get a literal haircut at Marathon house and Joe Geramo nearly lost his mind. First and last time I had ever watched a Director/Owner dress down a senior staff in front of the house. Like I said in a earlier post on another thread Joe Geramo was one of the good ones maybe that is why he is gone, as you know Phoenix House bought them.
Some thoughts spinning in my head right now.......
Ya know when I think about the early 70's it was a time when we just wanted to express ourselves, live free, tell our industrialize parents to go to hell, tell the Gov. to fuck off (Nixon especially), I wanted to smoke pot and hang out with my friends riding around in 65 Ford Vans, go skinny dipping....JUST BE FREE. What a great time but in my case that was far and few between, the oppression living in my house drove me insane, I had disabilities that weren't being treated which made school a horror story and the rage was building to a breaking point. I believe I dove so hard into drugs and alcohol so I wouldn't put a bullet through my head. Well I actually know this today. Though all those treatment centers I went through were abusive they kept me from killing myself or someone else and that is the plain truth. There has got to be someone out there that can identify with that.
Please don't misunderstand me, I am not advocating TC's just stating a fact.
[/color]
-
Ursus wrote:
Danny, are you saying that there is no such thing as special ed for autistics, dyslexics, etc. in the public school system? Are you nuts? Go look in the phone book, in the sublistings for your local school system. What do you think "special ed" means? Extra special perks for the kids who behave themselves and get good grades? "Special ed" is short for specialized education.
Oh, I just remembered. You think these kids should be housed off somewhere where nobody has to see or deal with them. Special schools for special kids, where special abuse can go on unnoticed by folk with more sane perspectives.
The fact is, outside of the enormously wealthy, most parents cannot afford special ed services for their kid unless their needs are quite minimal. Most special ed kids are in the public school system for that very reason.
That is exactly what I am saying and until you show me that I am wrong then what I said stands. Go back and read the whole exchange between Felice and myself. Then you will understand what my statement was.
I will not do your work for you, you constantly misrepresent information to suit your way of thinking. I am beginning to understand how whooter deals with you clever one.
I sure did love that reference (paragraph) to my staffer days, that helped your point.
No kidding most parents can not afford services for the disabled. I was not arguing that.
Folks my aunt raised a Autistic boy, I think I know a little here, plus raised a girl with Aspergers.
Danny
-
Edit: Nevermind I'll just get right to it. viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30665 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30665)
Were they still giving literal (not just verbal) haircuts at Daytop back then? Did the women have to wear skullcaps after theirs?
Yes they were doing both. I would say though the literal haircut was a fear based tool, since long hair and large afros were a status symbol back in the early 70's. Folks were really into images/persona's then. I believe this is why signs, verbal haircuts, verbal announcements and so on were introduced. To break through this image we had built that was so self destructive. Women while I was at Daytop, Marathon, Elan and The Third Nail did not get literal haircuts. I remember Joe Cataldo asking for a women to get a literal haircut at Marathon house and Joe Geramo nearly lost his mind. First and last time I had ever watched a Director/Owner dress down a senior staff in front of the house. Like I said in a earlier post on another thread Joe Geramo was one of the good ones maybe that is why he is gone, as you know Phoenix House bought them.
-
There might be some good instances of debate on this thread, but the purpose of this thread is diversionary. Whooter wants to divert attention from TBSs by attacking the public school system.
-
There might be some good instances of debate on this thread, but the purpose of this thread is diversionary. Whooter wants to divert attention from TBSs by attacking the public school system.
No samara it is not. Think about this for a minute public schools were here first, then came the TC.s ect......TC's are extensions of the public school system. Talk about abusing children ask any American that is 50 yrs or older what they experienced in school whether public or catholic. Spanking on the buttocks and hands, slapping, screaming, wearing a dunce cap, sitting in the corner, sitting outside in the hall, called derogatory names by the teacher, made fun of in front of the class by the teacher. Jeesh does all this sound familiar they brought the same mind set to the TC's. So samara the only one trying to divert attention is you and your friends. Attacking I think we were exposing here on fornits.
Danny
-
I don't know what your intent is. I am not going to tell you what your experience was 50 years ago, or disagree with it. You make some great points. I am simply saying that I do not believe Whooter's intent is the same as your purported intent. And I certainly don't believe his intent is to show a link between abusive public schools and abusive TBSs - especially his.
-
There might be some good instances of debate on this thread, but the purpose of this thread is diversionary. Whooter wants to divert attention from TBSs by attacking the public school system.
No samara it is not. Think about this for a minute public schools were here first, then came the TC.s ect......TC's are extensions of the public school system. Talk about abusing children ask any American that is 50 yrs or older what they experienced in school whether public or catholic. Spanking on the buttocks and hands, slapping, screaming, wearing a dunce cap, sitting in the corner, sitting outside in the hall, called derogatory names by the teacher, made fun of in front of the class by the teacher. Jeesh does all this sound familiar they brought the same mind set to the TC's. So samara the only one trying to divert attention is you and your friends. Attacking I think we were exposing here on fornits.
Danny
Therapeutic communities evolved out of behavior modification methods that were originally experimented with (in this country) in military prisons during World War II. They did not evolve out of the public school system.
While corporal punishment and psychological coercion are both forms of behavior modification and both carry their load of trauma, and there certainly is some overlap in their employ, to say "TC's are extensions of the public school system" is patently incorrect.
-
Ursus wrote:
Therapeutic communities evolved out of behavior modification methods that were originally experimented with (in this country) in military prisons during World War II. They did not evolve out of the public school system.
Please show me a cite that refutes what I said, not a cite that shows your explanation but a cite that says public schools did not influence behavioral modification in TC's, Please. I've been hearing this since I was in Elan. Were they the only source of info, no....I did not say TC's evolved out of public schools, no.
While corporal punishment and psychological coercion are both forms of behavior modification and both carry their load of trauma, and there certainly is some overlap in their employ, to say "TC's are extensions of the public school system" is patently incorrect.
This I will not argue because as I see how you put it you are right, I believe I meant it in a more abstract way, more theoretical.
-
I don't know what your intent is. I am not going to tell you what your experience was 50 years ago, or disagree with it. You make some great points. I am simply saying that I do not believe Whooter's intent is the same as your purported intent. And I certainly don't believe his intent is to show a link between abusive public schools and abusive TBSs - especially his.
Intent hmmmmmm.........why is that so important to you. Why are you here. Why is it so critical that you know one person intent. Does it effect your intent. Since when do you know so much about whooter have you done your own investigation, have you sent out a investigator. What the results.
Are you just going by everyone else information, what is there intent.
Everyone is so worried about everyone else, my my .......
Just move on a live your intent, samara.
-
There might be some good instances of debate on this thread, but the purpose of this thread is diversionary. Whooter wants to divert attention from TBSs by attacking the public school system.
No samara it is not. Think about this for a minute public schools were here first, then came the TC.s ect......TC's are extensions of the public school system. Talk about abusing children ask any American that is 50 yrs or older what they experienced in school whether public or catholic. Spanking on the buttocks and hands, slapping, screaming, wearing a dunce cap, sitting in the corner, sitting outside in the hall, called derogatory names by the teacher, made fun of in front of the class by the teacher. Jeesh does all this sound familiar they brought the same mind set to the TC's. So samara the only one trying to divert attention is you and your friends. Attacking I think we were exposing here on fornits.
Therapeutic communities evolved out of behavior modification methods that were originally experimented with (in this country) in military prisons during World War II. They did not evolve out of the public school system.
Please show me a cite that refutes what I said, not a cite that shows your explanation but a cite that says public schools did not influence behavioral modification in TC's, Please. I've been hearing this since I was in Elan. Were they the only source of info, no....I did not say TC's evolved out of public schools, no.
If you did not mean to say that TCs evolved out of public schools, then I apologize for misunderstanding you.
The TC modality was introduced into reform schools and residential treatment centers such as Highfields in New Jersey (1950s) and Marianna in Florida (attempted in the 1960s). At the time, it was intended to be a "kinder, gentler" form of behavior modification than the rampant corporal punishment and isolation methods then practiced.
While corporal punishment and psychological coercion are both forms of behavior modification and both carry their load of trauma, and there certainly is some overlap in their employ, to say "TC's are extensions of the public school system" is patently incorrect.
This I will not argue because as I see how you put it you are right, I believe I meant it in a more abstract way, more theoretical.
Fair enough.
-
Yes, DB, intent is important to me. This site is not what it was six years ago when I first came, but it was enormously vital in my ability to process the experiences I had at CEDU. I was never able to talk about them before. This site has helped many people. So, yes, it bothers me when people have nefarious, perfidious intent. Whether to troll this site or to derail it.
-
The TC modality was introduced into reform schools and residential treatment centers such as Highfields in New Jersey (1950s) and Marianna in Florida (attempted in the 1960s). At the time, it was intended to be a "kinder, gentler" form of behavior modification than the rampant corporal punishment and isolation methods then practiced.
Yep.....
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/marianna/ (http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/marianna/)
They were screwed-up kids, sent to the reform school in Marianna for smoking, fighting, stealing cars or worse. The Florida School for Boys -- that'd straighten them out.
Fifty years later they are, by their own account, screwed-up men -- afraid of the dark, unable to love or be loved, twisted by anger, scarred by the whippings they endured in a cinder block hell called the White House.
READ THE STORY
PORTRAIT GALLERY
MORE DOCUMENTS
-
Yes, DB, intent is important to me. This site is not what it was six years ago when I first came, but it was enormously vital in my ability to process the experiences I had at CEDU. I was never able to talk about them before. This site has helped many people. So, yes, it bothers me when people have nefarious, perfidious intent. Whether to troll this site or to derail it.
See my problem is I'm just watching a bunch of professional bullies who learned well from there program days try to overwhelm someone with a different thought process. I have read and read trying to find a shred of evidence to show Whooter is a shill, troll and phony can't find it. Now I have been duped before. Just not feeling it. So since I don't see things they way you do then what????????????
That is the dilemma.....I am a survivor also.
This site is not what it was 6 years ago, what is that supposed to mean .
danny
-
There might be some good instances of debate on this thread, but the purpose of this thread is diversionary. Whooter wants to divert attention from TBSs by attacking the public school system.
I agree! He's always bringing up how terrible things are in the public school system whenever accounts of abuse in programs get too intense for him. And now he has made his very own thread for it! Shows some good initiative!
According to Whooter (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12694&p=366114#p366100), "approx. 99.999% of our teenagers are raised without the help of programs." So... for him to prove that abuse rates in the public school system are even just equivalent to those in program, he'll have to come up with 99,999 times as many cases as there have been known program abuse incidents.
I suspect he shall be kept busy for some time to come! Can he do it? :o
-
There might be some good instances of debate on this thread, but the purpose of this thread is diversionary. Whooter wants to divert attention from TBSs by attacking the public school system.
I agree! He's always bringing up how terrible things are in the public school system whenever accounts of abuse in programs get too intense for him. And now he has made his very own thread for it! Shows some good initiative!
According to Whooter (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12694&p=366114#p366100), "approx. 99.999% of our teenagers are raised without the help of programs." So... for him to prove that abuse rates in the public school system are even just equivalent to those in program, he'll have to come up with 99,999 times as many cases as there have been known program abuse incidents.
I suspect he shall be kept busy for some time to come! Can he do it? :o
Yes, my estimate based on the numbers from the article. I havent actually conducted any studies myself lol.
...
-
Danny responding to your ridiculous posts is a tedious job, but I guess I ll give this one more at least, a go............
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is all about you here, here is where all your problems started right in public school. They had to find you another place to go. You were trouble, part of the problem not the solution. Daytop wasn't even in the picture yet when you were tormenting the hell out of everyone.
Danny, what the fuck are talking about dude? LOL! Where the hell do you get this idea, that I was tormenting the hell out of everyone.. I was actually a pretty well liked guy. You sound so much like a bullshit counselor, it's as if you re doing it on purpose. Damn, man...
Well if you were so well liked and well adjusted getting straight A's ect.....what fuck happened. You fell off a turnip truck and ended up in Daytop.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Honestly, Danny.. It's none of your business. I don't even know you. All you need to know, is that I went there. That is all that is required for us
to have a conversation about it. I am not on trial here. Remember, I am not the one forcing my ideas onto others. I am not the one who claims
to be able to cure people with my ideas. And if you must know; it wasn t a turnip truck. It was a wain.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Whooter Smooter he is not your problem nor is anything being sidetracked, who the hell said this was all about TC's......You???????
My point Danny, which I guess your dyslexia caused you to miss is that, the discussions here are not about Paul St. John. Regardless of anything about me, facts are facts. this is not a board about me. TC's are the topic. If I am right about something, I am right about it, reguardless of my childhood. You accuse me of being self-absorbed. Have you looked in the mirror lately? You accuse me of only caring about my own conclusions, when I have offered you opportunity, after opportunity, for you to present yours. Besides, as far as you are concerned, Ginger is my mommy, and I don t actually have conclusions... She and the other fornits people brainwashed me.. or are we finally past that?
See protege`Ursus would be proud of you, using my disability to insult me on a web site that advocated for survivors with disabilities. Who said TC's are the topic, YOU. You are heavily influenced by other members here read your posts you spit out the same language, it is scary. Yes the discussions can be about and for you.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
You're an idiot. First of all, I do not know nearly enough about Ursus to have tried to model myself after him. Second of all, where do you come
up with this? Danny, throwing around baseless accusations is like breathing to you.
And considering that I have only been posting and interacting with the majority of the people here for about a week, I think it is highly unlikely that
I have been influenced by them, in any major mind-alterring way, and certainly not in a negative way. You say that I "spit out" the same language.
I suppose you are talking about utilizing the English language to express rational ideas. Guilty as charged, but I did that way before coming here,
and I would bet that most of the posters you are referring to did also. You will find it is common in many places, in fact. I know it is new to you,
but who knows? Your interactions here, just might make a better man out of you. As far as TC's being the topic versus me, being the topic,
I don t know, I guess it is just a crazy assumption on my part..LOL
-------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeffery Dalmer said the same thing.....duh...."people are who they are".
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I missed this the other day..
I like the way you say "duh". Like Paul, didn t you know that Jeffey Dahmer said that? Ohhh Hoooo.. I got ya! Danny I would have to say that the
primary differences be me and Dahmer, are that I am not gay, I don t kill people, and I don t eat people.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not what it is about Danny. Are you really that fucking stupid?
Bravo, Thanks for someone finally getting honest, do tell what is this about. I am all about abuse against children just not they way you want me to.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Danny, one of the words, in this collective(lol) language that we use here, is *context*. What I meant was that the thread was not about child
abuse. It is about painting a negative picture of public schools, to make programs look better then they are in comparison. Right, Whooter?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I noticed everyone wants to move on, not participate, change the subject.
Why is this brand of abuse not captivating enough for you or is it where the abuse is happening not intriguing to your passions.
I'll talk about it another time.. another place. Here, it is being used as a weapon.
Who has the gun in their hand, Paul. Think about it ??????????
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There sure are a lot of question marks there Danny. Is "think about it", a question? Either way, you are not making sense, and I d rather not
think about it.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Your a phony admit it your here for the glory, SEE ME.....
Of all people Danny.....
Why are you here, again?
You know exactly why I am here to make sure you tell the truth.......
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I didn t know that.. Not exactly. Not even slightly. But just to be clear, that is the story that you are going to stick with? You are here, at
fornits, to make sure that TC's, and other abusive centers get a fair trial?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There is abuse in all schools of America.
Right Danny.. MMMhhmm.. Yup!
We were established with the rejects of other societies/countries the Puritans.[/quote]
Danny, go fuck yourself! You don t like this country, GET THE FUCK OUT! That s how you view this country. Established by rejects?
You re a fucking reject. This country was established by the most innovative thinkers of their time.. But then I guess you are not a big fan of freedom are you?
Read your history bigot,
------------------------------------------------------------------
Now again, just to be clear.. we are on the same page in that YOU KEEP CALLING ME A BIGOT FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER, and YOU ARE
ALSO DOING IT TO A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE!!!
-----------------------------------------------------------------
innovators in slavery,
---------------------------------------------
Nope slavery was around long before America...
It might be worth noting that those African slaves were captured and sold to us by other Africans.
-------------------------------------------------------
innovators in wiping out the whole Indian race practically,
-----------------------------------------------------
Nope, we weren't the innovators in that either. That would be the French, the Spanish, and the British, and probably other people too.
------------------------------------------------------------------
innovators in killing 2 million Vietnamese with 500lbs,1000lbs bombs,
--------------------------------------------------------------
I think I ll just sum that up in the term "war", and no we weren't innovators in that either.
I believe that was Cro-Magnum Man. (probably spelled that wrong, but I think you ll have to let me go on that)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
innovators in setting off 2 atom bombs,
-------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, unfortunately, but only because we beat them to the punch in creating it.
And so I would like to include with that- innovators in science, and in nuclear technology.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
innovators in killing college students at Kent State and on and on
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, yeah.. we were the first to do it at Kent State, but not the first to kill students, especailly students with an opinion.
It was a disgusting occurence, but it was nothing like the shit went that went down in China. (not even slightly comparable)
Or hell, go protest in Russia.. Let me know how it goes.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
......innovators in selling high-risk home mortgages packages overseas,
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sure what you are talking about. Are you talking about the housing bubble?
-----------------------------------------------------------------
George Washington had slaves as did most of our innovators. It took England to finally persuade us to stop abusing the black man, yes the very country we were fighting at one time to stop abusing us.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Slavery is and was a terrible thing, but you are not taking the time, and what the rest of the world was like into account.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So yes if this is what you respect and want, I will go FUCK myself.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So let me get this clear.. All I gotta do is say that I respect this, and you will go fuck yourself.. I respect it!!!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'll pay for it too. If you think we have freedom here well I don't know what to say.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Danny the world has yet to experience complete freedom. there is a lot of work to do everywhere, even in public schools.
But America introduced the idea of freedom in an actuality. as it had never been seen before. It was a change that started here,
but has spread in varying degress across the whole world. You are trying to do, in these comments, what Whooter is trying to do to public schools.
You are focusing on the faults in their grossest form, and assigning only that value to the whole. You are looking at a gorgeous model,
and only seeing her pimple. We weren t founded by rejects. We were founded by individuals, who rejected a large portions of the greatest wrongs of their time.
They did the rejecting, not only in word, but in deed. Were they perfect? no. Are we perfect now? no.
But the majority of our basic principles are sound, and got us where we are today.. to much more civilised world.. and a much freer world..
Beethoven was not just a deaf guy. Einstein was not just a funny haired guy who hooked up with his own cousin.. Just as Hitler was not just
intelligent, and Ted Kazinsky was not just a genius.....
and so in the end, it all leads back to that "scary" language , we use 'round these parts- CONTEXT, Danny... CONTEXT!
----------------------------------------------------------
Freedom is a Utopian idea I gave up on long ago.
---------------------------------------------------------------
That's ashame Danny. Maybe in another life, huh?
Paul
-
See my problem is I'm just watching a bunch of professional bullies who learned well from there program days try to overwhelm someone with a different thought process. I have read and read trying to find a shred of evidence to show Whooter is a shill, troll and phony can't find it. Now I have been duped before. Just not feeling it. So since I don't see things they way you do then what????????????
That is the dilemma.....I am a survivor also.
This site is not what it was 6 years ago, what is that supposed to mean .
danny
Well, there are some bullies here on both sides. But I understand having a reactionary response to pro program tools after going through the program. I arrived at this site 6 years ago, after years of nightmares about CEDU with no ability to process the experience. This site helped me with that, and many Straight, Seed and other survivors. I was never able to talk about my personal Twilight Zone with civilians. Six years ago, this place was raw, sure, and there were debates and volley, but it was purer. It was more therapeutic. It was a wonderful place to support others, receive much needed validation, and process the experience. Some of us re-connected with old peers, and that also provided healing. Some people apologized for their part in abusing others. Some staff even came aboard and hashed out issues, from apologies to trying to understand a resident's point of view. Some people tried to find runaways or debated sending their kids to programs. There was, even in raw energy, a more respectful if direct undertone.
Then it devolved - trolls and other hijinks abounded and people left (I did, too, but remained a watcher from time to time.) It's sad really. I can't tell you how many people have been helped here in every spectrum.
As much as his haters may disagree, I actually think Whooter is gifted. One, he is perniciously persistent. Two, he really does attempt to muddy up the board with confusing flip flops and intentional "misdirects." If he got too crazy, like you and others have, people would automatically dismiss him. He is smarter than that. He has been here for years and it just really doesn't make sense since his perspective is diametrically opposed. We are all used to it. I stayed out of the fray in the early years because I could see he was a Tar Baby. Whatever you say doesn't stick. He ducks, misdirects and baits and switches.
I guess it makes me angry that he is here invalidating the pain many people share. I see this site as For Survivors. Right or wrong. Survivors can debate each other - but I don't appreciate some pro program hack coming here to invalidate other people's experiences. I'd feel the same way about any survivor site.
Programs have plenty of cash and fancy websites to promote their schools. Survivors deserve our own zone and some guy who has never shown an ounce of real empathy or understanding should not be welcome here. And again, it begs the question, why is he here?
He has been around the rodeo with many posters here that now ignore him because they do not want to give him the attention he wants to further his agenda. But he still intrudes and obfuscates.
Obviously, I care. And it is hurtful. It is not because there is no tolerance for other POVs. It's because this place has been beneficial to so many people in past years and survivors don't need another pro-program tool to grind salt into the wounds. What is the purpose to that? Is it some kind of sick pleasure? I am sorry you don't understand. I am really speaking from the heart on this one.
-
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Thank You.
-
We all view people from our own perspective which is shaped by our experiences. If you really believe I am insincere then read the JRC thread. There were numerous discussions on whether or not shock therapy was abusive and many people here were not willing to listen to survivor stories of how it helped them. They would believe staff and ex-staff over the survivor’s stories.
Many survivors indicated that the shock therapy was helpful to them but since accepting the fact that any program is helpful many posters here decided to close their ears and minds to any open discussion. They were not willing to speak about shock therapy itself. Rather they focused solely on the abuse that occurred at the JR center. Many would rather soothe themselves with the stories of patients being held down at knife point and given shock treatment then talk about the treatment itself.
Many posters/regulars like yourself are so hardened to your opinions that you don’t even see that you hold a double standard and have closed your mind to any open discussion. If you feel a survivor story fits your definition then you believe it. If it doesn’t then you decide to believe the program staffs account of what goes on or discard the opinion altogether.
I think we all agreed that abuse occurred at JRC but to invalidate survivor’s accounts of how shock therapy helped them eliminates the possible discussion of whether given a non abusive environment this therapy can be effective to help some people. Many here would not open their minds up to that possibility which shows that many here don’t even care enough about other people to listen.
This is just one example samara. If you step outside your world a little and took a fresh, non biased, perspective you would see that fornits allows for very little room for survivors to post honestly if it means tell anything other than the negative parts of their program experiences. It is so biased that it comes across as insincere. Even holocaust survivors speak about the one or two guards who brought them candy!
If you saw that then maybe you would understand my posts a little more.
...
-
Don't pull that crap with me. It's more deflective BS, and we all know it. There is NO reason for you to be on this board. The tenor of your "contributions" is different than others who may disagree. It comes from a cruel place. I have watched you for years without saying much, so it's not like I suddenly decided to cast you in a role. You don't belong here, and you never did, and you've never been honest about why you are really here. WHY ARE YOU REALLY HERE?
(To bring the holocaust into this implicating that since 1-2 guards brought them candy, it mitigates the experience - DISGUSTING!)
-
Don't pull that crap with me. It's more deflective BS, and we all know it. There is NO reason for you to be on this board. The tenor of your "contributions" is different than others who may disagree. It comes from a cruel place. I have watched you for years without saying much, so it's not like I suddenly decided to cast you in a role. You don't belong here, and you never did, and you've never been honest about why you are really here. WHY ARE YOU REALLY HERE?
(To bring the holocaust into this implicating that since 1-2 guards brought them candy, it mitigates the experience - DISGUSTING!)
Samara, you just proved my point and dont even realize it! Many people here use the Holocaust as a comparison to their stay in programs, you know that very well. But when I use it you find it disgusting. You are so blinded and ingrained with hatred that you cant see the double standard! lol
...
-
Oh, I see, public school employees are responsible for abusing kids in their care, right?
But how does that square with your previous statement?
I dont see the staff as being responsible for the abuse even though they were being abusive.
So, let's get this straight: Public school employees are responsible for abuse, but program staff are not.
But Whooter admonishes samara in this manner:
You are so blinded and ingrained with hatred that you cant see the double standard! lol
Whooter seems to be an expert at the "double standard" so I guess he knows it when he sees it, right?
This is a window into Whooter's motivation for being here. He simply wants to profit by moving kids from the public sector to the private sector, abuse be damned. Sick fucker.
-
Lessee... like only 'bout 99,990 cases or so to go ... to counter the first incident of program abuse reported here on fornits!
There might be some good instances of debate on this thread, but the purpose of this thread is diversionary. Whooter wants to divert attention from TBSs by attacking the public school system.
I agree! He's always bringing up how terrible things are in the public school system whenever accounts of abuse in programs get too intense for him. And now he has made his very own thread for it! Shows some good initiative!
According to Whooter (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12694&p=366114#p366100), "approx. 99.999% of our teenagers are raised without the help of programs." So... for him to prove that abuse rates in the public school system are even just equivalent to those in program, he'll have to come up with 99,999 times as many cases as there have been known program abuse incidents.
I suspect he shall be kept busy for some time to come! Can he do it? :o
-
Well, it is laughable that Whooter calls me blinded by hatred. Yeah, so sorry I hate abusive programs.
My hatred for programs have been shaped by experience, other people's experiences, education, and continued thought. It's not like I just woke up and decided to hate the program. There was a seed, but it was also evolutionary. People like Whooter exacerbate the negativism becuase I don't like cold hearted emotional rapists on survivor sites. Especially since his efforts to undermine painful experiences is sustained and systematic. At least my contempt is honest, open and directed.
-
The TC modality was introduced into reform schools and residential treatment centers such as Highfields in New Jersey (1950s) and Marianna in Florida (attempted in the 1960s). At the time, it was intended to be a "kinder, gentler" form of behavior modification than the rampant corporal punishment and isolation methods then practiced.
Yep.....
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/marianna/ (http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/marianna/)
They were screwed-up kids, sent to the reform school in Marianna for smoking, fighting, stealing cars or worse. The Florida School for Boys -- that'd straighten them out.
Fifty years later they are, by their own account, screwed-up men -- afraid of the dark, unable to love or be loved, twisted by anger, scarred by the whippings they endured in a cinder block hell called the White House.
READ THE STORY
PORTRAIT GALLERY
MORE DOCUMENTS
You might be interested in this, Anne. Or maybe not...
One man who was supposed to turn things around towards the "kinder, gentler" form of behav mod was Oliver Keller. Louis de la Parte recruited him from Illinois in 1967 or 68, where he had headed the Illinois Youth Commission for awhile. He had even started his own program in Illinois, "a residential program for boys and alternative to state correction facilities," then called "Boys Farm," and which was probably loosely modeled after Father Flanagan's Boys Town.
Keller was also in the process of completing his PhD in sociology (I presume something to do with corrections or juvenile reform, as his thesis was focused on that) and was considered to be well read on the latest, "most progressive" behavior modification methodologies around. And he had also recently axed the head of some reform school or corrections facility in Illinois for reasons of physical cruelty and abuse. He was perfect for the job: he had both the balls and the brains to pull it off, and he wasn't from Florida.
Florida created a new agency, Florida Division of Youth Services, and appointed Keller as its head. A few years down the line, they appointed him as Secretary of the Florida Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services which oversaw the Division of Youth Services. Ollie Keller was also one of the founders of AMIkids (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=30285&p=361733#p361731), originally one of those smaller, community-based programs that were gonna replace the large institutionalized hell holes like Marianna.
-
The TC modality was introduced into reform schools and residential treatment centers such as Highfields in New Jersey (1950s) and Marianna in Florida (attempted in the 1960s). At the time, it was intended to be a "kinder, gentler" form of behavior modification than the rampant corporal punishment and isolation methods then practiced.
Yep.....
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/marianna/ (http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/marianna/)
They were screwed-up kids, sent to the reform school in Marianna for smoking, fighting, stealing cars or worse. The Florida School for Boys -- that'd straighten them out.
Fifty years later they are, by their own account, screwed-up men -- afraid of the dark, unable to love or be loved, twisted by anger, scarred by the whippings they endured in a cinder block hell called the White House.
READ THE STORY
PORTRAIT GALLERY
MORE DOCUMENTS
You might be interested in this, Anne. Or maybe not...
One man who was supposed to turn things around towards the "kinder, gentler" form of behav mod was Oliver Keller. Louis de la Parte recruited him from Illinois in 1967 or 68, where he had headed the Illinois Youth Commission for awhile. He had even started his own program in Illinois, "a residential program for boys and alternative to state correction facilities," then called "Boys Farm," and which was probably loosely modeled after Father Flanagan's Boys Town.
Keller was also in the process of completing his PhD in sociology (I presume something to do with corrections or juvenile reform, as his thesis was focused on that) and was considered to be well read on the latest, "most progressive" behavior modification methodologies around. And he had also recently axed the head of some reform school or corrections facility in Illinois for reasons of physical cruelty and abuse. He was perfect for the job: he had both the balls and the brains to pull it off, and he wasn't from Florida.
Florida created a new agency, Florida Division of Youth Services, and appointed Keller as its head. A few years down the line, they appointed him as Secretary of the Florida Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services which oversaw the Division of Youth Services. Ollie Keller was also one of the founders of AMIkids (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=30285&p=361733#p361731), originally one of those smaller, community-based programs that were gonna replace the large institutionalized hell holes like Marianna.
Wow....didn't know that. I have some experience with AMI. A next door neighbor of ours when I was growing up was a scuba instructor at the one in my hometown. From what I saw of the few visits I had there, it was NOTHING like Straight or any of the other behavior mod places. It was more focused on simply teaching the kids (all boys from what I remember) marine mechanical skills and giving them mentors to talk to. They had regular school sessions taught by a credentialed teacher. None of the TC crap. I'm not up to speed on anything they do now, but in the mid 70s, it was pretty decent. At least the one I'm familiar with, but I think they all worked similarly.
-
Wow....didn't know that. I have some experience with AMI. A next door neighbor of ours when I was growing up was a scuba instructor at the one in my hometown. From what I saw of the few visits I had there, it was NOTHING like Straight or any of the other behavior mod places. It was more focused on simply teaching the kids (all boys from what I remember) marine mechanical skills and giving them mentors to talk to. They had regular school sessions taught by a credentialed teacher. None of the TC crap. I'm not up to speed on anything they do now, but in the mid 70s, it was pretty decent. At least the one I'm familiar with, but I think they all worked similarly.
Well... That was what you saw.
I think there is definitely something to the concept that the punishment should be somewhat in league with the crime. And the kids in those programs were diverted from juvie. They were not rebellious teens that sassed back to their parents one too many times. Or were just hanging out with the "wrong crowd." Consequently, for kids enrolled in programs like AMI, having the opportunity to learn a marketable skill and living in what was, at the time, a far more liberal and positively-oriented environment ... was probably seen by them as quite preferable, all things considered.
But Keller was definitely of the mind to install methods of psychological coercion in favor of what he perceived as brutal physical coercion.
Two of the methodologies that Keller planned to implement in Florida were Lloyd McCorkle's 'Guided Group Interaction' and William Glasser's 'Reality Therapy.' GGI is a direct descendant of TC methodologies used in military prisons during WW II, and the immediate predecessor to 'Positive Peer Culture'; Glasser's Reality Therapy would later figure in Miller Newton's and George Ross's contributions to the methods used at Straight. In other words, "TC crap," as you put it.
-
Wow....didn't know that. I have some experience with AMI. A next door neighbor of ours when I was growing up was a scuba instructor at the one in my hometown. From what I saw of the few visits I had there, it was NOTHING like Straight or any of the other behavior mod places. It was more focused on simply teaching the kids (all boys from what I remember) marine mechanical skills and giving them mentors to talk to. They had regular school sessions taught by a credentialed teacher. None of the TC crap. I'm not up to speed on anything they do now, but in the mid 70s, it was pretty decent. At least the one I'm familiar with, but I think they all worked similarly.
Well... That was what you saw.
I think there is definitely something to the concept that the punishment should be somewhat in league with the crime. And the kids in those programs were diverted from juvie. They were not rebellious teens that sassed back to their parents one too many times. Or were just hanging out with the "wrong crowd." Consequently, for kids enrolled in programs like AMI, having the opportunity to learn a marketable skill and living in what was, at the time, a far more liberal and positively-oriented environment ... was probably seen by them as quite preferable, all things considered.
But Keller was definitely of the mind to install methods of psychological coercion in favor of what he perceived as brutal physical coercion.
Two of the methodologies that Keller planned to implement in Florida were Lloyd McCorkle's 'Guided Group Interaction' and William Glasser's 'Reality Therapy.' GGI is a direct descendant of TC methodologies used in military prisons during WW II, and the immediate predecessor to 'Positive Peer Culture'; Glasser's Reality Therapy would later figure in Miller Newton's and George Ross's contributions to the methods used at Straight. In other words, "TC crap," as you put it.
Damn, even the one I thought was fairly benign was....sigh....it's all so friggin' incestuous.
-
innovators in slavery,
Nope slavery was around long before America...
It might be worth noting that those African slaves were captured and sold to us by other Africans.
The American business men of the time bought these slaves. Now we also could have just said no, we don't have slaves here in this country.
-------------------------------------------------------
innovators in wiping out the whole Indian race practically,
Nope, we weren't the innovators in that either. That would be the French, the Spanish, and the British, and probably other people too.
No of course not, President Grant sent General Custer, The Trail of Tears....President Jackson signed into law the "Indian Removal Act", Thomas Jefferson quote,"Indians can remain east of the Mississippi so long as they assimilate and become civilized, Letter from Thomas Jefferson:
In an 1803 letter to William Henry Harrison, Jefferson wrote:
To promote this disposition to exchange lands, which they have to spare and we want, for necessaries, which we have to spare and they want, we shall push our trading uses, and be glad to see the good and influential individuals among them run in debt, because we observe that when these debts get beyond what the individuals can pay, they become willing to lop them off by a cession of lands.... In this way our settlements will gradually circumscribe and approach the Indians, and they will in time either incorporate with us a citizens or the United States, or remove beyond the Mississippi. The former is certainly the termination of their history most happy for themselves; but, in the whole course of this, it is essential to cultivate their love. As to their fear, we presume that our strength and their weakness is now so visible that they must see we have only to shut our hand to crush them, and that all our liberalities to them proceed from motives of pure humanity only. Should any tribe be foolhardy enough to take up the hatchet at any time, the seizing the whole country of that tribe, and driving them across the Mississippi, as the only condition of peace, would be an example to others, and a furtherance of our final consolidation.
Ya I'm sure you will find some colorful folks from all nationalities in there.
------------------------------------------------------------------
innovators in killing 2 million Vietnamese with 500lbs,1000lbs bombs,
I think I ll just sum that up in the term "war", and no we weren't innovators in that either.
I believe that was Cro-Magnum Man. (probably spelled that wrong, but I think you'll have to let me go on that)
LOL.....Right some king of war, like putting a kid in a TC. No chance......
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
innovators in setting off 2 atom bombs,
Yeah, unfortunately, but only because we beat them to the punch in creating it.
And so I would like to include with that- innovators in science, and in nuclear technology.
Paul, Japan was not one of the players at the time we were worried about producing the bomb, Germany definitely and Russia around 1945-46. We just wanted the war over and Japan was so fanatical we felt we had no other choice.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
innovators in killing college students at Kent State and on and on
Well, yeah.. we were the first to do it at Kent State, but not the first to kill students, especially students with an opinion.
It was a disgusting occurrence, but it was nothing like the shit went that went down in China. (not even slightly comparable)
Or hell, go protest in Russia.. Let me know how it goes.
We are not talking about China or Russia. We are talking about America and how innovated we are. Paul there is enough abuse that goes on in this country I don't even need to look else where.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
......innovators in selling high-risk home mortgages packages overseas,
I'm not sure what you are talking about. Are you talking about the housing bubble?
Yes I am sort off, the comment I made above is/was one of the engines that drove the housing slump. To much to discuss now.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
George Washington had slaves as did most of our innovators. It took England to finally persuade us to stop abusing the black man, yes the very country we were fighting at one time to stop abusing us.
Slavery is and was a terrible thing, but you are not taking the time, and what the rest of the world was like into account
.
Well you have a good point there, Paul. I am actually taking into account the times (The Beginning of our Country). We started right out of the box telling people they were inferior because they were different, so therefore we had to punish them,(sound a little familiar).
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So yes if this is what you respect and want, I will go FUCK myself.
So let me get this clear.. All I gotta do is say that I respect this, and you will go fuck yourself.. I respect it!!!! I'll pay for it too. If you think we have freedom here well I don't know what to say.
Stop clowning around we are finally having a serious grown up conversation....lol.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Danny the world has yet to experience complete freedom. there is a lot of work to do everywhere, even in public schools.
But America introduced the idea of freedom in an actuality. as it had never been seen before. It was a change that started here,
but has spread in varying degress across the whole world. You are trying to do, in these comments, what Whooter is trying to do to public schools.
You are focusing on the faults in their grossest form, and assigning only that value to the whole. You are looking at a gorgeous model,
and only seeing her pimple. We weren t founded by rejects. We were founded by individuals, who rejected a large portions of the greatest wrongs of their time.
They did the rejecting, not only in word, but in deed. Were they perfect? no. Are we perfect now? no.
But the majority of our basic principles are sound, and got us where we are today.. to much more civilised world.. and a much freer world..
Beethoven was not just a deaf guy. Einstein was not just a funny haired guy who hooked up with his own cousin.. Just as Hitler was not just
intelligent, and Ted Kazinsky was not just a genius.....
and so in the end, it all leads back to that "scary" language , we use 'round these parts- CONTEXT, Danny... CONTEXT!
Nice read there Paul thanks. Always good to hear another mans ideas on life. Once again, thanks.
----------------------------------------------------------
Freedom is a Utopian idea I gave up on long ago.
That's ashame Danny. Maybe in another life, huh?
Paul
[/quote]
Well I hoping.......
Danny
-
Wow....didn't know that. I have some experience with AMI. A next door neighbor of ours when I was growing up was a scuba instructor at the one in my hometown. From what I saw of the few visits I had there, it was NOTHING like Straight or any of the other behavior mod places. It was more focused on simply teaching the kids (all boys from what I remember) marine mechanical skills and giving them mentors to talk to. They had regular school sessions taught by a credentialed teacher. None of the TC crap. I'm not up to speed on anything they do now, but in the mid 70s, it was pretty decent. At least the one I'm familiar with, but I think they all worked similarly.
Well... That was what you saw.
I think there is definitely something to the concept that the punishment should be somewhat in league with the crime. And the kids in those programs were diverted from juvie. They were not rebellious teens that sassed back to their parents one too many times. Or were just hanging out with the "wrong crowd." Consequently, for kids enrolled in programs like AMI, having the opportunity to learn a marketable skill and living in what was, at the time, a far more liberal and positively-oriented environment ... was probably seen by them as quite preferable, all things considered.
But Keller was definitely of the mind to install methods of psychological coercion in favor of what he perceived as brutal physical coercion.
Two of the methodologies that Keller planned to implement in Florida were Lloyd McCorkle's 'Guided Group Interaction' and William Glasser's 'Reality Therapy.' GGI is a direct descendant of TC methodologies used in military prisons during WW II, and the immediate predecessor to 'Positive Peer Culture'; Glasser's Reality Therapy would later figure in Miller Newton's and George Ross's contributions to the methods used at Straight. In other words, "TC crap," as you put it.
Damn, even the one I thought was fairly benign was....sigh....it's all so friggin' incestuous.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." — H. G. Bohn (1855) ?
Ollie Keller took the paddle out of Marianna. He helped get a lot of smaller community based programs started (was The Seed one of them?). But he wasn't the best administrator, and was certainly never allotted enough money to do the job that needed to get done. So he got spectacularly roasted by Florida politics (briefly).
And... as it turns out, psychological coercion can sometimes do just as much damage as physical coercion. And, over time, AMIkids ended up becoming a very large program umbrella.
-
Joel requested a different thread:
Link to one of the Studies (http://http://www.scribd.com/doc/503084/Residential-Treatment-Outcomes-Study)
...
-
Joel requested a different thread:
Link to one of the Studies (http://http://www.scribd.com/doc/503084/Residential-Treatment-Outcomes-Study)
...
We may debate as to the reality of those statistics, as i have argued, but the TTI can't deny the reason for them. viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30423 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30423)
.
-
June 11, 2010
A former York Junior High School teacher and coach has been ordered to spend three years in prison and three years on probation after admitting he sent sexually explicit text messages to underage girls.
Authorities say Cheeks was a teacher and coach at York Junior High School when he sent explicit text messages to a 14-year-old girl and 15-year-old girl.
Link (http://http://www.heraldonline.com/2010/06/11/2237110/ex-york-teacher-gets-3-years-in.html)
...
Whotius Maximus,
Are you trying to say that our ENTIRE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM needs an overhaul?
Public and Programs?
I agree....it blows from the Top on down.
-
June 11, 2010
A former York Junior High School teacher and coach has been ordered to spend three years in prison and three years on probation after admitting he sent sexually explicit text messages to underage girls.
Authorities say Cheeks was a teacher and coach at York Junior High School when he sent explicit text messages to a 14-year-old girl and 15-year-old girl.
Link (http://http://www.heraldonline.com/2010/06/11/2237110/ex-york-teacher-gets-3-years-in.html)
...
Whotius Maximus,
Are you trying to say that our ENTIRE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM needs an overhaul?
Public and Programs?
I agree....it blows from the Top on down.
Thank you Eliscu2, Like myself you see it as a system wide problem.
There has always been this misconception among posters here that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts and I dont know how this came to be. Each time there is an issue of a child being sexually assaulted by an employee there are calls to have the programs shut down which tells me that people really don’t read very much outside of fornits arena.
If posters were properly informed they would be calling for the closure of the public school system long before they would any program. So these posts serve to educate and inform readers that this problem is wide spread and isn’t unique to the Troubled Teen Industry.
...
-
There has always been this misconception among posters here that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts and I dont know how this came to be.
Obfuscation by exaggeration to ridiculous extremes. LINK please, or yet another fail.
-
There has always been this misconception among posters here that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts and I dont know how this came to be.
Obfuscation by exaggeration to ridiculous extremes. LINK please, or yet another fail.
You may try to defend the statement if you want to, but you cannot decide if it fails to make the point intended. The individual readers have that right.
...
-
There has always been this misconception among posters here that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts and I dont know how this came to be.
Obfuscation by exaggeration to ridiculous extremes. LINK please, or yet another fail.
You may try to defend the statement if you want to, but you cannot decide if it fails to make the point intended. The individual readers have that right.
Oh, I am not defending it. Not in the least bit. I am asking you to defend your statement. But you already know that, don't you?
I simply have never seen such an opinion voiced here, yet you claim that it exists. Moreover, that it has always existed amongst posters here. I'm just asking you to provide proof of an example in the form of a link.
- Where has anyone here claimed that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts?
Kindly provide a link for such an example. And, provided you can even find an example where someone has opined thus, please also provide proof that this misconception has always been present on fornits.
-
There has always been this misconception among posters here that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts and I dont know how this came to be.
Obfuscation by exaggeration to ridiculous extremes. LINK please, or yet another fail.
You may try to defend the statement if you want to, but you cannot decide if it fails to make the point intended. The individual readers have that right.
Oh, I am not defending it. Not in the least bit.
I thought you would not. I think we all know that when there is a child who falls victim to a sex predator in a program then there are calls for the programs to be shut down.... that programs allow and hire these type of people...... I dont think I have ever seen a discussion on how programs can prevent predators from gaining access or trying to understand how that person got into the school... rather the programs are accused of allowing it to happen without any sort of evidence.
If you have not seen this yourself, then you have not been reading much.
I have been posting article after article of school teachers having sexual contact or raping students in public schools and we have all seen the responses. Now it is only a matter of time before it occurs inside a program. Do you think the response will be the same as we have seen in the public school thread? lol I think you know the answer already.
...
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
There has always been this misconception among posters here that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts and I dont know how this came to be.
Obfuscation by exaggeration to ridiculous extremes. LINK please, or yet another fail.
You may try to defend the statement if you want to, but you cannot decide if it fails to make the point intended. The individual readers have that right.
Oh, I am not defending it. Not in the least bit. I am asking you to defend your statement. But you already know that, don't you?
I simply have never seen such an opinion voiced here, yet you claim that it exists. Moreover, that it has always existed amongst posters here. I'm just asking you to provide proof of an example in the form of a link.
- Where has anyone here claimed that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts?
Kindly provide a link for such an example. And, provided you can even find an example where someone has opined thus, please also provide proof that this misconception has always been present on fornits.
I thought you would not. I think we all know that when there is a child who falls victim to a sex predator in a program then there are calls for the programs to be shut down.... that programs allow and hire these type of people...... I dont think I have ever seen a discussion on how programs can prevent predators from gaining access or trying to understand how that person got into the school... rather the programs are accused of allowing it to happen without any sort of evidence.
If you have not seen this yourself, then you have not been reading much.
I have been posting article after article of school teachers having sexual contact or raping students in public schools and we have all seen the responses. Now it is only a matter of time before it occurs inside a program. Do you think the response will be the same as we have seen in the public school thread? lol I think you know the answer already.
Sorry, Whooter, your answer does not appear to make sense in light of my question, or perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly. Could you please indulge me another attempt? I'd appreciate that.
Here's my question once more, super simple version:
- Where has anyone here claimed that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts?
-
Here's my question once more, super simple version:
- Where has anyone here claimed that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts?
If you demand links then you should demand them from everyone equally, not just the people you disagree with. I would like to see a link that shows all programs to be abusive, or a link that shows programs brainwash people, a link that shows I make money off the industry or a link that says I am this John Reuben guy or a link that states I work for Aspen. See what I mean?
Here is my answer:
I think we all know that when there is a child who falls victim to a sex predator in a program then there are calls for the programs to be shut down.... that programs allow and hire these type of people...... I dont think I have ever seen a discussion on how programs can prevent predators from gaining access or trying to understand how that person got into the school... rather the programs are accused of allowing it to happen without any sort of evidence.
If you have not seen this yourself, then you have not been reading much.
I have been posting article after article of school teachers having sexual contact or raping students in public schools and we have all seen the responses. Now it is only a matter of time before it occurs inside a program. Do you think the response will be the same as we have seen in the public school thread? lol I think you know the answer already.
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12694&p=366561#p366561
You are still avoiding the "Are your clients associated with the TTI Whooter?" question in the above link.
I didnt avoid your post or your question. You changed your question and edited your post 7 times over a 4 hour period and by that time we had all moved on.
...
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
danny
-
Here's my question once more, super simple version:
- Where has anyone here claimed that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts?
If you demand links then you should demand them from everyone equally, not just the people you disagree with. I would like to see a link that shows all programs to be abusive, or a link that shows programs brainwash people, a link that shows I make money off the industry or a link that says I am this John Reuben guy or a link that states I work for Aspen. See what I mean?
Here is my answer:
I think we all know that when there is a child who falls victim to a sex predator in a program then there are calls for the programs to be shut down.... that programs allow and hire these type of people...... I dont think I have ever seen a discussion on how programs can prevent predators from gaining access or trying to understand how that person got into the school... rather the programs are accused of allowing it to happen without any sort of evidence.
If you have not seen this yourself, then you have not been reading much.
I have been posting article after article of school teachers having sexual contact or raping students in public schools and we have all seen the responses. Now it is only a matter of time before it occurs inside a program. Do you think the response will be the same as we have seen in the public school thread? lol I think you know the answer already.
Stay tuff whoot!!!!!!!!!!
-
Joel, you still havent got back to me on the answers to the questions I asked. Lets get them done first. Let me know when you are done.
Here you go:
Original post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=366071#p366071)
Whooter from my experience working in programs I noticed a couple of things. Parents (1) physically abused their children (2) verbally abused their children (3) sexually abused their children (4) abused drugs (5) abused alcohol (6) were going through a divorce (7) didn't spend enough time with their children (8) failed to supervise their children on a consistent basis (9) failed to enforce logical rules in the home [up for debate] (10) failed to consequence their children within reason [not talking about torture etc.] and (11) failed to act as good role models. As a result, the child says fuck it, I'll party hard, skip school, steal cars, burn latrines, blow up mail boxes and the whole nine yards Often adults cannot connect the dots. I am not saying the above applies to you but only you can answer that. Some parents choose to step up to the plate, man up and tackle the problem head on. Others take the easy way out, don't exhaust every option in the book and take the easy way out by sending their child to a program. Again I don't know if this applies to you, only you can answer that.
Joel where did you get this information? You never provided a link or citation....I will answer you but you need to live up to your own standards. Answer the following and then we will talk
• (1) What was the Parents First and Last Name
• (2) What type of Language did they use?
• (3)How do you define Sexual abuse?
• (4) How did you determine that drugs were abused? Was there a test involved?
• (5) How much alcohol was consumed?
• (6)Who initiated the divorce (father or mother)?
• (7) How much time did they spend with their children and how do you define “enough”?
• (8)Can you provide a link indicating their consistency in this area?
• (9) Can you provide an example of illogical Rules?
• (10) Which consequences did they fail to enforce?
• (11) Can you provide a link to a good role model?
...
-
Whotius Maximus,
You need to join a law firm.
You have mad skills! :clown:
Love,
Vaders Kid
-
Eliscu is somewhere in the blue, Joel is halfway between blue and green.
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
:poison:
-
Whotius Maximus,
You need to join a law firm.
You have mad skills! :clown:
Love,
Vaders Kid
The Law firm of Whooter & Woodbury & Huey! ::OMG::
* Report this post
* Reply with quote
Yes, you got it! It's either THAT, or it's *not* THAT!
Postby Ursus » 11 Jun 2010, 17:08
Whooter wrote:
Joel wrote:
Which equates to "I have a legally binding written agreement signed between ***** and Whooter stipulating non-disclosure of the legally binding agreement."
Exactly! or it could mean something completely different. (Whooter avoiding the "Are your clients associated with the TTI?" Whooter how much longer can you spin this statement? The clock is ticking.) I think if you look at the date on the post you will see it occurred some time ago.
Ya know... "Exactly! or it could mean something completely different," does pretty much cover all possibilities, now doesn't it?
It's really hard to tell isn't it?
I feel like I am tied to a chair forced to watch the Iraq War on Fox with Bill O'Reily...Oh Realy? No....REALLY!
"The All Spin but we call it No spin show" ::evil::
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
Eckerd uses Gleasser's Reality Therapy. [The short version]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_therapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_therapy)
Reality therapy provides a model of building relationships by instructing helpers to create a need-satisfying counseling environment. The five basic needs of all humans are survival; love and belonging; power; freedom and fun. So, in a helping relationship, the helper must create an environment where it is possible for the person being helped to feel safe; to feel connected to the helper in some way; to be listened to and respected; to have some choices; and to have some fun or learning with the helper. After creating this need-satisfying environment and working hard to maintain it throughout the relationship, the helper can move on to the actual problem.
There were allot of kids that came from juvenile hall to Eckerd Camp E-Hun-Tee. The only things they concerned themselves with were sleep, food, water, taking daily dumps, showers, games, siesta and school. They didn't respond well to wilderness group counselors [who live with them 24 hours a day/5 days per week] who used all the lingo associated, for the most part, with reality therapy. I thought it worked best to get straight to the point and be a straight shooter in group settings.
Thanks Joel, these are fairly benign and very effective methods in helping troubled teens get back on a healthy path. If you combine this with a few more of the basic techiniques of GGI/ Positive Peer Culture you can attain a high degree of success in helping these kids. (Not familiar enough to know if Eckerd did this or not) One of the problems is that it is not effective on all children and producing a screening process to determine ahead of time which students would benefit and which would not has not been established or even defined, to my knowledge.
Most of the ground work and studies of these methodologies were laid in the 1950’s with surprising success and as you laid out for us they were able to boil and distill it down to a simple and straight forward template for helping kids.
survival; love and belonging; power; freedom and fun.
I think we can easily see where the use of the term survivor came from, which is used here on fornits to describe kids who passed though these steps.
...
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
:clown:
-
Whooter I brought up the topic because I worked with the Glasser model at EYA. I also brought it up because I read it on this thread. In addition, I spoke from first hand work experience. Can you provide a study that stipulates Reality Therapy is effective in the TTI?
Whooter wrote:
survival; love and belonging; power; freedom and fun.[/b]
I think we can easily see where the use of the term survivor came from, which is used here on fornits to describe kids who passed though these steps.
Whooter all I can say is "Good luck digging yourself out of this hole."
I could probably find one if that was important to you. But you should try looking for yourself first. In the mean time I think this is a good discussion. Many of us have been exposed to the industry in one way or another. Some of us attended a program, others worked for a wilderness, others have met many kids who have attended programs. Some of us have experience with at-risk teens as parents, some of us do not. I dont think that we should exclude you from participating in a conversation because you have never raised an at-risk teen and therefore could not fully understand the effects on a child attending or appreciating the level of success that programs can provide.
Although you have never had first hand experience in this area I think it is important that your views be included and heard. So feel free to post anytime you like.
...
-
Whooter I brought up the topic because I worked with the Glasser model at EYA. I also brought it up because I read it on this thread. In addition, I spoke from first hand work experience. Can you provide a study that stipulates Reality Therapy is effective in the TTI?
Whooter wrote:
survival; love and belonging; power; freedom and fun.[/b]
I think we can easily see where the use of the term survivor came from, which is used here on fornits to describe kids who passed though these steps.
Whooter all I can say is "Good luck digging yourself out of this hole."
I could probably find one if that was important to you. But you should try looking for yourself first. In the mean time I think this is a good discussion. Many of us have been exposed to the industry in one way or another. Some of us attended a program, others worked for a wilderness, others have met many kids who have attended programs. Some of us have experience with at-risk teens as parents, some of us do not. I dont think that we should exclude you from participating in a conversation because you have never raised an at-risk teen and therefore could not fully understand the effects on a child attending or appreciating the level of success that programs can provide.
Although you have never had first hand experience in this area I think it is important that your views be included and heard. So feel free to post anytime you like.
...
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
The burden of proof is on you Whooter. In otherwords, as usual, you have nothing to validate your opinions, claims and/or views.
Well, okay, first things first. If you want people to validate their opinions and provide links then why not start with yourself. Validate this for us first with studies performed in the specific areas, peer reviewed studies, hhhmmm wait, clinical peer reviewed studies with third party oversight:
Here you go, what did you say about burden of proof? lol:
Original post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=366071#p366071)
Whooter from my experience working in programs I noticed a couple of things. Parents (1) physically abused their children (2) verbally abused their children (3) sexually abused their children (4) abused drugs (5) abused alcohol (6) were going through a divorce (7) didn't spend enough time with their children (8) failed to supervise their children on a consistent basis (9) failed to enforce logical rules in the home [up for debate] (10) failed to consequence their children within reason [not talking about torture etc.] and (11) failed to act as good role models. As a result, the child says fuck it, I'll party hard, skip school, steal cars, burn latrines, blow up mail boxes and the whole nine yards Often adults cannot connect the dots. I am not saying the above applies to you but only you can answer that. Some parents choose to step up to the plate, man up and tackle the problem head on. Others take the easy way out, don't exhaust every option in the book and take the easy way out by sending their child to a program. Again I don't know if this applies to you, only you can answer that.
...
-
A former Silverton elementary school teacher was sentenced to 40 years in prison Monday for repeatedly raping and sexually abusing a 13-year-old boy.
Susan C. Alderson, 47, of South Salem was a teacher at Robert Frost Elementary School at the time of her arrest……
Alderson pleaded guilty to all the charges against her in February. They are two counts each of rape, sodomy, second-degree sexual abuse and third-degree sexual abuse. Third-degree sexual abuse is a misdemeanor charge; the others are felonies.
Rape and sodomy are Measure 11 crimes that carry mandatory minimum sentences of 8 years 4 months in prison.
But Marion County Circuit Judge Joseph Ochoa said factors including the vulnerability of the victim, persistent involvement in the crimes, violation of the public's trust and Alderson's lack of remorse substantiated the extended sentence.
Link (http://http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20100615/NEWS/6150326/1001/news)
...
some things are worth waiting for. :rasta: :deal:
-
Duplicate post
danny
-
I find it very disturbing that there is no participation in this thread at all, except blatant threadjacking . Does anyone remember why Whooter started this thread, I bet not. Fornits member Ursus was very instrumental. Folks you can ignore this thread all you want but please no this in the words from, "Watzlawicks first axiom of communication", ‘One cannot not communicate’.
Your lack of communication says, " you don't care and are selective of the children you will advocate for". Nice!!!
Jeesh now I thought that Paul said, "my school sent me to Daytop" and I've heard this from other posters that there schools were instrumental in placing them in a program. We have had multiple conversations just recently concerning what public schools can handle insofar as special needs children, JRC sparked a lot of this conversation.
But since whooter initiated this thread well by golly were not going to have anything to do with it, because he is being disingenuous. Naw I don't think so, I think if you want to see the parallels with public schools, treatment centers, wilderness and special schools you'll see them, if you want to be stubborn you'll refuse to acknowledge, public schools fall under the umbrella of the TTI. If they don't they should.
Next point;
Joel wrote:
The burden of proof is on you Whooter. In otherwords, as usual, you have nothing to validate your opinions, claims and/or views. You, pursuant to "Whooter spin logic 101," are attempting to dictate flow of this conversation when in all actuality your views are nonsensical. Is it at risk teen, risk at teen or teen at risk? This morning you have managed to dig yourself a deep hole that you have nothing to contribute. You have no idea what the term survivor means. To us people on fornits, you are like slime. You are the stench from the garbage barge floating under the Brooklyn Bridge. Or the smell from a three week old rotten tampon. Whooter, you're a true piece of work.
No he is not slime Joel, he is very intelligent and I enjoy watching him spin you like a top.
You folks just can't stand someone as intelligent and articulate as whooter amongst your ranks. It fucking drives you folks crazy. Joel your never going to out maneuver him in a debate or as you say, "stump him".
I've been watching for months now, one after another trying to outfox him, trip him up ect....and after several failed attempts y'all react in the same way, you attack him by calling him names, question his integrity, make disgusting remarks concerning his son, ect..... It is like being in rehearsal just before the show.
Whooter, Suck It and myself hold a more open minded view on the TTI, none of us condone abuse nor are advocating for any program that is purposely and willfully conducting this behavior. There is no collaboration of any kind with a Corporation going on here. (what are you fucking nuts)
Our crime is we don't buy into is this "group think" that there is a major conspiracy going on amongst the owners of the TTI's programs and schools to purposely circumvent the truth of what is happening and keep it from the parents. What you are asking me to understand and believe is they know there programs/schools don't work, that they brainwash and abuse the children emotionally, mentally and physically for no apparent reason other then for their own sick pathological reasons.
That all the professionals within the TTI, nobody knows what the fuck their doing but you folks here on Fornits.
Not one of you have come forward and stated that your are a Doctor of Physiologically, Psychologically, Pathologically ect......some of you have hinted that you work in the mental health field but (why are you asking whooter where he works/who he works for, if your not willing to divulge) have not stated so.
Listen having experience because you were a resident doesn't make you a expert on the TTI or better yet of behavior modalities.
I was a resident of Elan and frankly I don't believe that hellhole would even qualify as part of the TTI's programs and schools, when I was there. Elan was so unique in it's torment of children, that I believe it disqualifies me to argue what are the benefits of programs in todays world as I believe it does for many of us here. Especially folks 40 years yrs old on up. Once again I am not saying that there aren't children out there experiencing abuse at the hands of staff in programs today.
danny
-
I find it very disturbing that there is no participation in this thread at all, except blatant threadjacking . Does anyone remember why Whooter started this thread, I bet not. Fornits member Ursus was very instrumental. Folks you can ignore this thread all you want but please no this in the words from, "Watzlawicks first axiom of communication", ‘One cannot not communicate’.
Your lack of communication says, " you don't care and are selective of the children you will advocate for". Nice!!!
Jeesh now I thought that Paul said, "my school sent me to Daytop" and I've heard this from other posters that there schools were instrumental in placing them in a program. We have had multiple conversations just recently concerning what public schools can handle insofar as special needs children, JRC sparked a lot of this conversation.
But since whooter initiated this thread well by golly were not going to have anything to do with it, because he is being disingenuous. Naw I don't think so, I think if you want to see the parallels with public schools, treatment centers, wilderness and special schools you'll see them, if you want to be stubborn you'll refuse to acknowledge, public schools fall under the umbrella of the TTI. If they don't they should.
Next point;
Joel wrote:
The burden of proof is on you Whooter. In otherwords, as usual, you have nothing to validate your opinions, claims and/or views. You, pursuant to "Whooter spin logic 101," are attempting to dictate flow of this conversation when in all actuality your views are nonsensical. Is it at risk teen, risk at teen or teen at risk? This morning you have managed to dig yourself a deep hole that you have nothing to contribute. You have no idea what the term survivor means. To us people on fornits, you are like slime. You are the stench from the garbage barge floating under the Brooklyn Bridge. Or the smell from a three week old rotten tampon. Whooter, you're a true piece of work.
and we all find it very disturbing your even still here jabbering your jaws. You ruin threads with your nobel wisdom bullshit when you are the sickest fucker here.
No he is not slime Joel, he is very intelligent and I enjoy watching him spin you like a top.
You folks just can't stand someone as intelligent and articulate as whooter amongst your ranks. It fucking drives you folks crazy. Joel your never going to out maneuver him in a debate or as you say, "stump him".
I've been watching for months now, one after another trying to outfox him, trip him up ect....and after several failed attempts y'all react in the same way, you attack him by calling him names, question his integrity, make disgusting remarks concerning his son, ect..... It is like being in rehearsal just before the show.
Whooter, Suck It and myself hold a more open minded view on the TTI, none of us condone abuse nor are advocating for any program that is purposely and willfully conducting this behavior. There is no collaboration of any kind with a Corporation going on here. (what are you fucking nuts)
Our crime is we don't buy into is this "group think" that there is a major conspiracy going on amongst the owners of the TTI's programs and schools to purposely circumvent the truth of what is happening and keep it from the parents. What you are asking me to understand and believe is they know there programs/schools don't work, that they brainwash and abuse the children emotionally, mentally and physically for no apparent reason other then for their own sick pathological reasons.
That all the professionals within the TTI, nobody knows what the fuck their doing but you folks here on Fornits.
Not one of you have come forward and stated that your are a Doctor of Physiologically, Psychologically, Pathologically ect......some of you have hinted that you work in the mental health field but (why are you asking whooter where he works/who he works for, if your not willing to divulge) have not stated so.
Listen having experience because you were a resident doesn't make you a expert on the TTI or better yet of behavior modalities.
I was a resident of Elan and frankly I don't believe that hellhole would even qualify as part of the TTI's programs and schools, when I was there. Elan was so unique in it's torment of children, that I believe it disqualifies me to argue what are the benefits of programs in todays world as I believe it does for many of us here. Especially folks 40 years yrs old on up. Once again I am not saying that there aren't children out there experiencing abuse at the hands of staff in programs today.
danny
-
I find it very disturbing that there is no participation in this thread at all, except blatant threadjacking . Does anyone remember why Whooter started this thread, I bet not. Fornits member Ursus was very instrumental. Folks you can ignore this thread all you want but please no this in the words from, "Watzlawicks first axiom of communication", ‘One cannot not communicate’.
Your lack of communication says, " you don't care and are selective of the children you will advocate for". Nice!!!
Jeesh now I thought that Paul said, "my school sent me to Daytop" and I've heard this from other posters that there schools were instrumental in placing them in a program. We have had multiple conversations just recently concerning what public schools can handle insofar as special needs children, JRC sparked a lot of this conversation.
But since whooter initiated this thread well by golly were not going to have anything to do with it, because he is being disingenuous. Naw I don't think so, I think if you want to see the parallels with public schools, treatment centers, wilderness and special schools you'll see them, if you want to be stubborn you'll refuse to acknowledge, public schools fall under the umbrella of the TTI. If they don't they should.
Next point;
Joel wrote:
The burden of proof is on you Whooter. In otherwords, as usual, you have nothing to validate your opinions, claims and/or views. You, pursuant to "Whooter spin logic 101," are attempting to dictate flow of this conversation when in all actuality your views are nonsensical. Is it at risk teen, risk at teen or teen at risk? This morning you have managed to dig yourself a deep hole that you have nothing to contribute. You have no idea what the term survivor means. To us people on fornits, you are like slime. You are the stench from the garbage barge floating under the Brooklyn Bridge. Or the smell from a three week old rotten tampon. Whooter, you're a true piece of work.
Sharon wrote:
and we all find it very disturbing your even still here jabbering your jaws. You ruin threads with your nobel wisdom bullshit when you are the sickest fucker here.
Sharon this is how it is correctly done, so we can see it. Thanks a lot for your attention, it is always helpful.[/size]
No he is not slime Joel, he is very intelligent and I enjoy watching him spin you like a top.
You folks just can't stand someone as intelligent and articulate as whooter amongst your ranks. It fucking drives you folks crazy. Joel your never going to out maneuver him in a debate or as you say, "stump him".
I've been watching for months now, one after another trying to outfox him, trip him up ect....and after several failed attempts y'all react in the same way, you attack him by calling him names, question his integrity, make disgusting remarks concerning his son, ect..... It is like being in rehearsal just before the show.
Whooter, Suck It and myself hold a more open minded view on the TTI, none of us condone abuse nor are advocating for any program that is purposely and willfully conducting this behavior. There is no collaboration of any kind with a Corporation going on here. (what are you fucking nuts)
Our crime is we don't buy into is this "group think" that there is a major conspiracy going on amongst the owners of the TTI's programs and schools to purposely circumvent the truth of what is happening and keep it from the parents. What you are asking me to understand and believe is they know there programs/schools don't work, that they brainwash and abuse the children emotionally, mentally and physically for no apparent reason other then for their own sick pathological reasons.
That all the professionals within the TTI, nobody knows what the fuck their doing but you folks here on Fornits.
Not one of you have come forward and stated that your are a Doctor of Physiologically, Psychologically, Pathologically ect......some of you have hinted that you work in the mental health field but (why are you asking whooter where he works/who he works for, if your not willing to divulge) have not stated so.
Listen having experience because you were a resident doesn't make you a expert on the TTI or better yet of behavior modalities.
I was a resident of Elan and frankly I don't believe that hellhole would even qualify as part of the TTI's programs and schools, when I was there. Elan was so unique in it's torment of children, that I believe it disqualifies me to argue what are the benefits of programs in todays world as I believe it does for many of us here. Especially folks 40 years yrs old on up. Once again I am not saying that there aren't children out there experiencing abuse at the hands of staff in programs today.
danny
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
I've been watching for months now, one after another trying to outfox him, trip him up ect....and after several failed attempts y'all react in the same way, you attack him by calling him names, question his integrity, make disgusting remarks concerning his son, ect..... It is like being in rehearsal just before the show.
I didn't know Whooter had son(s) that were in a program Danny. He always maintained he sent one child,
his daughter. You just blew his cover. [/i] Danny when all said and done, I give you a 2 out of 10 on the verbal masturbation scale per your lengthy reply.
beautifully spoken....I could not put it any better there. Thank you for pointing out Danny more to us all.
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
I've been watching for months now, one after another trying to outfox him, trip him up ect....and after several failed attempts y'all react in the same way, you attack him by calling him names, question his integrity, make disgusting remarks concerning his son, ect..... It is like being in rehearsal just before the show.
I didn't know Whooter had son(s) that were in a program Danny. He always maintained he sent one child,
his daughter. You just blew his cover. [/i] Danny when all said and done, I give you a 2 out of 10 on the verbal masturbation scale per your lengthy reply. :)
Ya, I just blew his cover. Jeesh there buddy Joel, I guess I don't remember several posts insulting him concerning a dead son, you don't remember those posts. Now whether he has a son or not is really not the point it is the level Joel you go to, just to be right.
Oh thanks Joel and you are such the gifted one with the writing skills, Joel 9 times out of 10 you really make absolutely no sense but since I really can't write any better I don't say anything. You try to be so grown up when you write your responses to whooter, you make us proud son.
Remember though you are the top and I spin you when I feel like it........lol.
Sharon has a thing for you.
danny
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
I've been watching for months now, one after another trying to outfox him, trip him up ect....and after several failed attempts y'all react in the same way, you attack him by calling him names, question his integrity, make disgusting remarks concerning his son, ect..... It is like being in rehearsal just before the show.
I didn't know Whooter had son(s) that were in a program Danny. He always maintained he sent one child,
his daughter. You just blew his cover. [/i] Danny when all said and done, I give you a 2 out of 10 on the verbal masturbation scale per your lengthy reply. :)
Ya, I just blew his cover. Jeesh there buddy Joel, I guess I don't remember several posts insulting him concerning a dead son, you don't remember those posts. Now whether he has a son or not is really not the point it is the level Joel you go to, just to be right.
Oh thanks Joel and you are such the gifted one with the writing skills, Joel 9 times out of 10 you really make absolutely no sense but since I really can't write any better I don't say anything. You try to be so grown up when you write your responses to whooter, you make us proud son.
Remember though you are the top and I spin you when I feel like it........lol.
Sharon has a thing for you.
danny
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: stop trying to set me up with whooter and joel....lmao lmao Your mind is definetly in the gutter as usual..why do you even breath is it hard to remember too?? Grow up you over active toddler. or I will tell your mommy to spank you again...ooops that just got you horney.
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
Whooter is all yours Sharon!
:jawdrop:
no please i insist you can have him joel..lmao lmao
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
Link (http://http://north-shore-times.whereilive.com.au/news/story/former-knox-teacher-jailed-for-sexual-abuse1/)
FORMER Knox Grammar School teacher Craig Treloar was sentenced in the NSW District Court today for a maximum four and a half years jail.
Mr Treloar, 50, admitted he sexually abused students at the Wahroonga school between 1984 and 1987.
The offences involved four students, aged 11 to 13.
He pleaded guilty to two counts of indecent assault, committing an act of indecency and soliciting an underage male to gross indecency.
He also pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography, found by police on his computer after his arrest.
...
Oh but they just love CHILD MOLESTERS in PRISON....damn dinner time! :clown:
-
Hell no! Danny can have Whooter and satisfy him orally. ::OMG::
uh...thanks for the appe-tite suppression.
Not HUNGRY now......nice Joel... ::unhappy::
-
I've been watching for months now, one after another trying to outfox him, trip him up ect....and after several failed attempts y'all react in the same way, you attack him by calling him names, question his integrity, make disgusting remarks concerning his son, ect..... It is like being in rehearsal just before the show.
I didn't know Whooter had son(s) that were in a program Danny. He always maintained he sent one child,
his daughter. You just blew his cover. [/i] Danny when all said and done, I give you a 2 out of 10 on the verbal masturbation scale per your lengthy reply. :)
Ya, I just blew his cover. Jeesh there buddy Joel, I guess I don't remember several posts insulting him concerning a dead son, you don't remember those posts. Now whether he has a son or not is really not the point it is the level Joel you go to, just to be right.
Oh thanks Joel and you are such the gifted one with the writing skills, Joel 9 times out of 10 you really make absolutely no sense but since I really can't write any better I don't say anything. You try to be so grown up when you write your responses to whooter, you make us proud son.
Remember though you are the top and I spin you when I feel like it........lol.
Sharon has a thing for you.
danny
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: stop trying to set me up with whooter and joel....lmao lmao Your mind is definetly in the gutter as usual..why do you even breath is it hard to remember too?? Grow up you over active toddler. or I will tell your mommy to spank you again...ooops that just got you horney.
omg HAPPINESS, I hope you don't try this in Wisconcheesehell....it's illegal here.
Being over the borderline there in Illinois I think you are safe..what with all the Blagoyaviches and Dailys Danny wouln't fly a kite near me. Who is that other slimy fellow who put bones in my CHICKEN??? "O" nevermind...I gotta call my bro.
-
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: I cant fucken reply I am laughing too hard...I visualize danny getting spanked .......fucken hilarous as ever.... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
-
Wow this thread sure has some legs. I think this common sense argument that Whooter makes really riles up the extremists here because it makes sense and they know on some level that normal people (non extremists) will see an argument like this and go , huh, public schools have horror stories too, perhaps the fornits extremist is cherry picking these events and painting the entire industry this way to suit their agenda. Keep freaking out extremists, you only prove Whooters points.
-
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39783 (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39783)
Sunday, June 20, 2010
The big list: Female teachers with students
Most comprehensive account on Internet of women predators on campus
Posted: June 17, 2010
3:19 am Eastern
© 2010 WorldNetDaily.com
Here is a list of the teacher 'sexpidemic' cases WND has documented where female teachers have been accused, or convicted, of assaulting students:
Abbie Jane Swogger
Abbie Jane Swogger, 34: Teacher's aide at Highlands Senior High School in Harrison, Pa., was arrested Feb. 22, 2008, for renting a hotel room where police found beer, marijuana, an open condom wrapper and at least four teenage girls and boys, including several of her 15-year-old son's friends. Though categorically denying rumors she was having sex with students from the school, Swogger was quoted as saying, "I was stupid, very stupid. I already know I was and I can understand you looking at me wrong. It's the biggest mistake I ever made in my whole life." Police allege Swogger "asked or encouraged" two 15-year-old runaway girls to have sex with her. According to a police papers, Swogger admitted to having sex with a 17-year-old boy and asked police, "How serious is that?" The one-time exotic dancer resigned Feb. 25, 2008. Swogger accepted a 3- to-6-year jail term that included a 36-year probation on May 26, 2009. "I'm sorry I was not the role model I should have been. I'm really sorry," she told the judge.
Abigail Holloway
Abigail Holloway, 33 The former gym teacher at the Christian prep school, Kings Academy, in Sunnyvale, Calif., was arrested March 5, 2009, at St. Mary's Academy in Englewood, Colorado, where she was working, on charges stemming from an alleged sexual relationship with a female student lasting from 2001 to 2005. The girl, now a student at Whitworth College in Spokane, Wash., told a school counselor about the relationship that had occurred in California beginning when she was 13. During that time, according to the girl, she and Holloway were intimate "over 100 times." "We have a very special relationship. It is a gift from God," states an alleged e-mail from Holloway to the girl in March 2003. "Not many people are going to understand that, but we know in our hearts that God made us for each other!" Holloway is fighting extradition.
Adrienne Laflamme
Adrianne Hockett: Accused of having sex with a 16-year-old special-needs student in a Houston apartment she rented for the get-togethers. The boy has testified the pair would "have sex, drink beer and smoke weed."
Adrienne Laflamme, 60: Science teacher at the Brevard County Juvenile Detention Center in Cocoa, Fla., was arrested June 25, 2008, for having a four-week heated affair with an inmate student, 17, within days of his release. The boy's mother said the teacher regularly picked him up from their home to have sex at her own residence. Laflamme had sex with the student at least 15 times, including one threesome with a 14-year-old boy. She has been charged with 15 counts of unlawful sex with minors and one count of filing a false police report.
Alison Mosbeck
Alison Mosbeck, 33: History teacher at Dueitt Middle School in the Spring, Texas, school district was arrested Oct. 26, 2007, for allegedly having intercourse at least three times with one of her students, a 14-year-old boy. The mother of one of the students' friends saw text messages from Mosbeck on the student's cellphone and alerted authorities.
Alison Peck
Alison Peck, 23: Former teacher at Greenfield High School in Greenfield, Mo., was charged May 22, 2009, in Green County with statuatory rape after convincing two friends to help her spend a night at a motel in Springfield with a 16-year-old boy who used to be her student. Peck had already been charged in Dade County on May 14 with having sexual relations with the boy at a park in that county sometime between January and March. On the day after receiving that citation, she arranged with friends to meet the boy at the Springfield motel. On May 17, she was charged with statuatory sodomy and statuatory rape because the boy told the detective that he had liaisons with Peck at her home in Mount Vernon. Judges have set bonds of $2,500 in Dade County, $10,000 in Lawrence County, and $200,000 in Greene County and Leo has been issued a no-contact order, told to stay 1,000 feet away from the boy's home and school and to surrender her passport.
Allenna Ward
Allenna Ward, 24: Minister's daughter from Laurens County, S.C., was a second-year teacher at Bell Street Middle School in Clinton, S.C., when she was fired Feb. 28, 2007, for allegedly having sex with at least five boys. Some of the purported victims, ages 14 and 15, were students at Ward's school. Authorities say the married woman had sex with the boys not only on campus, but also at a motel, in a park and behind a restaurant. On Sept. 6, 2007, Ward pleaded guilty to six charges – three second-degree criminal sexual conduct with a minor and three lewd acts on a minor. "Today, I publicly admit my guilt and would like to apologize. I sincerely apologize for the effects of my actions," she told the court. On Feb. 19, 2008, she was sentenced to six years in prison.
Amanda Louise Thompson, 28: Australian high school teacher accused of befriending a 14-year-old student upon learning the girl suffered from an eating disorder, then engaging the girl in a three-year lesbian relationship. On Oct. 27, 2008, prosecutors accused Thompson of meeting the girl at parks to engage in sex acts and abusing the student with everyday items such as a lollipop and a necklace. She reportedly showered the girl with gifts and notes, but the student's parents grew suspicious when during sleepovers at the girl's house, Thompson would refuse to keep the door to the girl's bedroom open.
Amanda Athey
Amanda Athey, 27: Charged Aug. 8, 2007, in Huntersville, N.C. with three counts of indecent liberties with a female student and one count of sexual activity with a female student. The relationship came to light when the girl's father became suspicious of the Hopewell High School English teacher's friendship with his daughter. She had told the father she was married to a man named Cal but after her arrest, it came to light she lived with another woman named Callie.
Amber Jennings, 31: Though Jennings was initially charged with having sex with a 16-year-old, the counts against the Sturbridge, Mass., woman were reduced to a single charge of disseminating harmful materials to a minor. She reportedly admitted e-mailing naked photos of herself to a former student. She received no jail time, only two years of probation after pleading guilty in September 2005.
(Story continues below)
Amber Marshall
Amber Marshall, 23: Northwest Indiana woman allegedly had sexual contact, including intercourse, with several students at Hebron High School, and turned herself into authorities, telling police she knew what she did was illegal.
Amira Sa'Di, 30: Clayton County, Ga., math teacher at Mundy's Mill High School was arrested and charged with sexual assault of a student in November 2005. She reportedly remarked she didn't think her relationship was inappropriate based on her Internet research, learning Georgia's age of consent is 16.
Amy Beck
Amy Beck, 33: Teacher at David Starr Jordan Middle School in Burbank, Calif., surrendered to police March 8, 2010, apparently overcome by guilt, according to authorities. She allegedly had a sexual relationship with one of her male students, who was 14 at the time, from March to September 2009. Beck was charged with five counts, including four counts of unlawful sex with a person under 16 and one count of oral copulation with a person under 16. She faces up a maximum sentence of up to seven years in state prison.
Amy Bramhall, 33: Education technician was arrested in January 2006 after a 15-year-old boy at the alternative education school in Warren, Maine, told police he had an ongoing sexual relationship with her. Flirting allegedly eventually led to an estimated 200 sexual encounters. In December 2006, she received three and half years in prison, with all but one year suspended, and four years probation.
Amy Elder
Amy Elder
Amy Elder, 28: Ripley High School teacher and softball coach in Memphis, Tenn., was indicted June 4, 2008, on 15 counts, including rape and sexual assault, after allegedly having had sexual relations with two female students. "I'd heard rumors going around school that she's seeing girls not guys," said one student, "but it wasn't none of my business."
Amy Lilley
Amy Gail Lilley, 36: Inverness, Fla., woman and softball coach at Lecanto High School charged with a lesbian relationship with a 15-year-old girl. She received no prison time, being sentenced in January 2006 to two years of house arrest and eight more years of probation.
Amy McElhenny
Amy McElhenney, 25: Charged with having a sexual relationship with an 18-year-old male student, the 25-year-old Hebron High School Spanish teacher and former Miss Texas contestant will not be serving any jail time after a Denton County, Texas, grand jury refused to issue an indictment in September 2006. While the age of consent in Texas is 17 years, a state law bans sexual relationships between educators and students even if the student is of legal age and the relationship is consensual. She could have faced 20 years in prison if indicted and convicted.
Amy N. Miller, 23: A student teacher at Union-Endicott High School and Owego Free Academy in New York, she was accused of having sex with a 15-year-old girl. State police said Miller, a student in Binghamton University's teacher education program, faced charges of third-degree criminal sexual act, a felony, and endangering the welfare of a child. She was suspended from the university and dismissed from teaching assignments after her arrest Oct. 4.
Amy Northcutt
Amy Northcutt, 26: Former history teacher at Turlock Christian School in Turlock, Calif. was arrested on June 2, 2008, along with her husband, Justin Northcutt, 27, a substitute teacher at the same school, for sending erotic text messages to a 16-year-old female student and attempting to arrange group sex with her. Police were called in when the girl's mother became suspicious of Mr. Nothcutt's attention toward her daughter.
Amy Yarbrough
Amy Yarbrough, 32: Third-year English teacher at Atkins High School in Winston-Salem, N.C., was arrested Dec. 3, 2009, and charged with having an illegal sexual relationship with a student. Authorities filed seven counts of sexual activity with a student and three counts of taking indecent liberties with a student. All of the charges are felonies.
Andrea Fox, 33: German teacher at Easton Area High School in Palmer Township, Pa., submitted her resignation June 17, 2008, after reportedly being caught arranging a sexual rendezvous with a student. Sources said Fox was found by school officials in May 2008 accepting an invitation for sex from a 17-year-old student during an instant message chat on her school computer. A criminal investigation was under way with local police.
Angela Christine Coffey
Angela Christine Coffey, 34: Cheerleading coach and English teacher at Meadowcreek High School in Norcross, Ga., gave birth to a baby girl in April 2007 following what police called a consensual relationship with a 17-year-old student. The former student declined to cooperate with prosecutors and has visited Coffey in jail since she pleaded guilty July 27 to sexual assault on a person in custody, jail records show. "It was only a crime because of the status of the victim – student-teacher," Coffey's attorney said.
Angela Comer
Angela Comer, 26: Middle-school teacher from Tompkinsville, Ky., fled with her alleged lover, her 14-year-old male student, before being tracked down in Mexico where she reportedly planned to marry the boy. Comer later claimed she was forced at gunpoint by the boy to go to Mexico. She was indicted in January 2006 for illegal sex acts with a minor and returned to Kentucky. Charges included felony custodial interference, two counts of third-degree sodomy and four counts of unlawful transaction with a minor relating to sexual acts. On May 9, 2007, Comer pleaded guilty to one-count of third-degree sodomy, and was slated to serve 10 years in prison as part of a plea agreement.
"Angel" Lindle
Angela "Angel" Simmons Lindle, 37: The Edgewood Middle School science teacher was arrested by Ninety Six, S.C., authorities on Feb. 20, 2009, following an investigation of allegations of a sexual relationship with a make student, 15. The boy, 14 at the time the relationship began, described numerous encounters with Lindle and, according to warrants, Lindle admitted to 7 charges. On March 21, 2009, while out on bail, Lindle was found dead in her home, apparantly from a self-inflicted gun shot.
Angela Palmer
Angela Palmer
Angela Palmer, 20: Lunchtime monitor at Lasselle Elementary School in Riverside County, Calif., was arrested on suspicion of child molestation on June 10, 2008, after being caught in a compromising position in a parked vehicle with a 16-year-old female student by deputies checking suspicious activity. The incident occurred after summer break had begun. "If school was not over, we would pull her in and do an administrative leave," said the school's information officer
Angela Stellwag
Angela Stellwag, 24: Delran, N.J., woman accused of having sex in her apartment with a 14-year-old boy she met in school. She was charged with sexual assault for activity that allegedly took place in August 2004. She pleaded not guilty in August 2006.
Anna Bettencourt
Anna Bettencourt, 38: The teacher at Bliss High School in Gooding County, Idaho, was arraigned on Feb. 18, 2009, on two counts of sexual battery of a minor child 16 years of age. Due to an undisclosed conflict of interest, the prosecuting attorney's office will petition the court to appoint a special prosecutor.
Anne Knopf
Anne Knopf, 39: Former substitute teacher at Prescott Middle School in Wisconsin was charged Nov. 5, 2007, with sexual assault of a child under 16. She is accused of having a sexual relationship with the 13-year-old former boyfriend of her own daughter.
April Watson Ashley Burkett
April Watson
Ashley Burkett
April Watson, 33 and Ashley Burkett, 31 : Two Jay High School teachers in Jay, Fla., were arrested Aug. 6, 2009 on charges that they had sex in their homes with teenage boys in 2007. "The investigation was initiated on July 28, 2009 after an anonymous letter was sent to the Santa Rosa County School District alleging sexual relationships between two Jay High School teachers and male juveniles," Santa Rosa County Sheriff's Office spokesman Sgt. Scott Haines said. The alleged activity took place between July and Cotober 2007 at the two teachers' residences. Burkett taught reading and special education students and was assistant volleyball coach last school year, according to the Jay High School web site. Watson taught math and was the advisor for the junior varsity cheerleaders, also according to the school web site. Watson was to be the varsity cheerleader sponsor for the upcoming school year and Burkett was to be the varsity volleyball coach.
Ashley Flores
Ashley Flores, 26: Former East Junior High teacher in Ponca City, Okla., was charged Oct. 1, 2008, with second-degree rape after prosecutors said she had a sexual relationship with a 14-year-old former student over the summer. According to the court affidavit, Flores had sex with the boy at her home while her own children were there.
Autumn Leathers
Autumn Leathers, 24: English teacher at Mountain Ridge High School in Alleghany County, Md., was arrested Aug. 20, 2008, for allegedly having a sexual relationship with one of her 16-year-old students. Officers say they were contacted by a resident, who noticed the student at Leathers’ home several times in the late evening. Leathers was sentenced to five years of unsupervised probation on April 1, 2009. She was also required to register as a sex offender for her conviction on one count of fourth-degree sex offense. A one-year jail term was suspended during her court appearance. Leathers pleaded guilty to the crime in January. In return, the state dropped more serious charges, including child abuse and assault.
Becci Hill
Becci Hill, 31: Martinsville, Ind., counselor at Sanders School in Wayne Township arrested in 2006 for for sexual activity with a 15-year-old autistic boy. Prosecutors say what started as a mentor relationship turned into a sexual liaison that lasted a year. Hill would allegedly park her car down the street from the boy's home, and he would climb out his window to meet her in the middle of the night. In January 2007, Hill pleaded guilty to sexual misconduct with a minor, and was given a two-year prison sentence and forced to register as a sex offender.
Beth Ann Chester
Beth Ann Chester, 27: Former Moon Area High School health and gym teacher in Pittsburgh was sentenced to 1 1/2 to 3 years in jail on Aug. 20, 2008, after pleading guilty to three charges stemming from the romantic relationship she had with a then-14-year-old boy. Chester, who was married, admitted to having sex with the boy numerous times, including once in the school parking lot. Her husband filed for divorce a month after her January 2008 arrest.
Beth Raymond, 31: Private-school employee from Pownal, Maine, charged with risk of injury to a minor and second-degree sexual assault of a juvenile male at Eagle Hill School in Greenwich, Conn. In July 2006, she was sentenced to 18 months prison.
Bethany Sherrill, 24: Daughter-in-law of school-board president charged with molesting a 15-year-old middle-school student. Reports state Sherill allegedly had oral sex with the boy and sent him coded text messages. She resigned her position at Jefferson Elementary School in Farmington, Mo., in February 2005 and eventually received 90 days in jail and two years probation, and was forced to register as a sex offender.
Brandy Lynn Gonzales
Brandy Lynn Gonzales, 27: The Houston-area teacher and her husband were arrested in December 2006 for sexually assaulting students at an elementary school two years earlier. Prosecutors allege that Gonzales met a student at a local movie theater, where she performed oral sex on the boy as well as another student at the theater. Husband Johnny Gonzales is also charged with having performed sex acts with one teen. Prosecutors told the judge they have sufficient evidence to file further charges.
Brenda Baillargeon
Brenda Baillargeon, 39: Teacher's aide in the Amery School District of Polk County, Wis., charged in November 2007 with having sex with a 16-year-old male student. The illicit seven-month sexual relationship with the high-school student she tutored included road trips and sneaking into his home in the early-morning hours for sex, according to the criminal complaint. She was his first love, and they planned to be married after she got a divorce, court records stated.
Cameo Patch
Cameo Patch, 29: Substitute teacher at Tooele High School in Tooele, Utah, arrested for allegedly performing oral sex on a 17-year-old male student. The sexual activity was allegedly consensual, and reportedly took place off school grounds after the pair had exchanged phone numbers in a restaurant. In November 2006, Patch was sentenced to no jail time, despite comments from the judge that a man would have likely gone to prison.
Carol Flannigan
Carol Flannigan, 50: Boca Raton, Fla., music teacher reportedly slept with 11-year-old former student, and also had a simultaneous sexual relationship with the boy's father. In a deposition, the boy's father said he had the same sort of sexual relationship with Flannigan that ex-President Bill Clinton had with Monica Lewinsky. In February 2006, Flannigan was sentenced to five years prison as part of a plea deal.
Carrie McCandless
Carrie McCandless, 29: The former Colorado social-studies teacher, who also happens to be married to the principal, was charged in November 2006 with having had sexual contact with a 17-year-old male student during an overnight school camping trip. The instructor, who also coached cheerleading, pleaded guilty April 24, 2007, to felonies of tampering with physical evidence and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. She also pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor of unlawful sexual contact with a minor. She was not expected to serve any jail time.
Carrie O'Conner
Carrie O'Conner, 33: Counselor at Montgomery County High School in Mount Vernon, Ga., arrested Aug. 13, 2007, for allegedly having sex with a 16-year-old male student. The relationship is said to have lasted from January through July. According to police, the abuse was first reported in March 2007 to a teacher and a probation officer, but they were reportedly reluctant to inform the superintendent because O'Conner is the superintendent's daughter.
Cathy Heminghaus
Cathy Heminghaus, 46: Special-education teacher from Ferguson, Mo., charged with statutory sodomy involving at least three of her students at Ferguson Middle School. She reportedly told friends she had performed oral sex on the children on several occasions in 2005. On July 9, 2007, she pleaded no contest Monday to 25 counts; 21 of them involving statutory sodomy.
Celeste Emerick, 32: Police in Huber Heights, Ohio, say the Wayne High School teacher hosted a party where students were shown pornography. Prosecutors charged her with one count of sexual battery, a felony in Ohio.
Christel C. Gravlin
Christel C. Gravlin, 33: The Lisbon High School teacher from St. Lawrence County, N.Y., was arraigned Dec. 10, 2007, on charges of rape 3rd degree, criminal sex act 3rd degree and endangering the welfare of a child after allegedly having intercourse with a 15-year-old male student. Allegations became known after an incident at a high school basketball game on Nov. 30 when Gravlin, a married mother of two and former beauty queen, made statements about an affair to a group of students and others who were sitting near her. On March 3, 2008, she pleaded guilty to a felony charge of third-degree rape, and on May 19, 2008, she apologized to the boy as she was sentenced to four months behind bars.
Christie Elliot
Christie Elliot, 25: English teacher and cheerleading coach at Empire High School in Vail, Ariz., turned herself in at the Tucson Police headquarters May 17, 2010, where she was charged with one count each of luring a minor for sexual exploitation and sexual conduct with a minor. The boy's father reportedly found inappropriate messages on his child's cell phone, and a subsequent investigation revealed that Elliot had a physical relationship with the student.
Christina Gallagher, 26: Jersey City, N.J., woman received no jail time, but was ordered to pay more than $1,000 in fines, sentenced to a lifetime registration as a convicted sex offender and ordered to attend therapy for having sex with a 17-year-old student in late 2004. The former Rahway High School instructor was banned from teaching and seeing the student with whom she had sex.
Christina Oliver
Christina Oliver, 24: Teacher at NcNair High School in Stockton, Calif., was arrested Feb. 10, 2009, on suspicion of having sex with a male student, 16. She was booked into San Joaquin County Jail on three charges involving child molest or annoyance, lewd or lascivious behavior with a minor, and contact with a minor for the purpose of committing an offense with the minor.
Christine Duda, 39: Teacher at the Normandy Alternative School in St. Louis County, Mo., allegedly took a 16-year-old hearing-impaired male student to her home for sex in December 2005. She was charged with two counts of felony statutory rape and fired by the school district.
Christine Scarlett, 36: English teacher at Strongsville High School in Ohio began a sexual relationship with the 17-year-old captain of the football team, Steven Bradigan, in November 2002 and eventually gave birth to Bradigan's son. Scarlett was fired from her teaching job, but insists nothing improper happened during the time she was Bradigan's teacher. She was never charged with any criminal wrongdoing.
Christine Jouini
Christine Jouini
Christine Brown Jouini, 38: The 11th and 12th-grade teacher at Center Academy in Coral Springs, Fla., was arrested June 6, 2008, after police learned she had been involved in a sexual relationship with one of her male students for more than a year. The boy said the relationship began when he was 16 years old and that he and Jouini had "sexual contact" more than 100 times.
Christine McCallum
Christine McCallum, 29: The former fifth-grade teacher at Woodsdale Elementary School in Abington, Mass., was arrested on June 8, 2008, after the father of a 16-year-old boy went to authorities with copies of letters McCallum, married, had written to the boy. According to charges, she is accused of having consensual sex over 300 times with the teen, beginning when he was 13. McCallum was a tutor for the alleged victim's younger brother.
Christine Spaich
Christine Spaich, 28: Teacher and volleyball coach at Silverado Middle School in Roseville, Calif., arrested April 6, 2007, for alleged unlawful intercourse with a minor and other related charges. Police say Spaich had a six-month relationship with a 16-year-old boy identified as a former student at her school. Detectives said the relationship appeared to be consensual and that the boy was not forced. Spaich entered a "no contest" plea July 3, 2007, and was sentenced to four months in jail, four years probation and 400 hours of community service. An application for alternative sentencing could let the teacher avoid jail time altogether.
Christy Anne Brown
Christy Anne Brown, 33: English teacher at Cyprus High School in Magna, Utah, was arrested July 8, 2007, for allegedly having sex with one of her students, a boy of 16. A police officer found her in a parked car along with the boy, and told authorities she had been having relations with the juvenile for three months. "The suspect admits to having sex over 40 times. She also admitted to having oral sex with the juvenile at her home and also at work," the jail report stated.
Christy Martin
Christy Martin, 32: The "Life Choices" teacher at Azalea Middle School in St. Petersburg, Fla., was arrested March 7, 2009, for exchanging pornographic pictures of genitals with a male student, 14, by camera cell phone. Martin was subsequently evicted from her apartment by her landlord.
Claire Richards
Claire Richards
Claire Richards, 35:The math teacher at Jordan High School in Columbus, Ga., was arrested Dec. 19, 2008, following an investigation by police and Muscogee County School District officials into reports of an inappropriate relationship between her and a 16-year-old male student. The eight-year veteran of the district was charged with two counts of sexual assault on a person in custody, four counts of interference with custody and 17 counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
Cris Morris
Cris Morris, 30: The former teacher and track coach at Hurricane High School in St. George, Utah, was sentenced on May 15, 2008, to 30 days in jail for having sex with a male student. The mother of three's relationship with the teen began after the then-17-year-old victim "approached her with admiration" in the summer of 2007 and she began texting him.
Crissy Hisey
Crissy Hisey, 28: Sophomore English teacher at Vista Murrieta High School in Murrieta, Calif., arrested May 1, 2008, for allegedly having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl at the school. "This started out as a friendship and then developed into a sexual relationship," one detective said, noting it had been ongoing for several months. Hisey was charged with suspicion of lewd conduct with a minor, oral copulation with a minor, child molestation and sending harmful material to a child. Police said the "harmful material" involved photos and videos allegedly found on cell phones of both the teacher and the girl. The alleged sexual contact between Hisey and the girl reportedly happened both at the woman's home and in Hisey's classroom after school hours.
Crystal Wells
Crystal Wells, 33: Teacher at Deming High School in northeastern Kentucky was sentenced to 5 years in prison April 14, 2008, for sex with a 15-year-old male student. She had been facing six counts of rape, but pleaded guilty to six felony charges of unlawful transaction with a minor. Family members reportedly found text messages on the boy's phone and felt they were indicative of a sexual relationship. "I have to treat this the same as I would a male teacher and a female student," Judge Robert McGinnis said. Wells' attorney stated the woman's marriage was falling apart and a divorce was pending.
Cynthia Horvath
Cynthia Horvath
Cynthia Horvath, 45: Former English teacher and cheer coach at Warner Christian Academy in South Daytona Beach, Fla. was arrested Oct. 22, 2008, on charges related to an ongoing sexual relationship with a 17-year-old male student. Police reports say most of the senior class at the school knew there was something going on and it was finally students who told a staff member about the affair and the school told police. Horvath is married and has a 17-year-old son who attends Warner Christian.
Danielle Jones
Danielle Jones
Danielle Jones, 32: Sixth-grade teacher at Stambaugh Middle School in Auburndale, Fla., was arrested on June 5, 2008, on charges of having sex with four teenage boys, two of whom were her students. The woman had initiated the contact the previous summer by contacting her two previous students through their MySpace accounts, telling them she missed them and inviting them to her home.
Darcie Esson
Darcie Esson, 32: Parker, Colo., English teacher at Elizabeth High School was arrested in December 2006 for allegedly having sex with a 17-year-old football player the day after her divorce was finalized. According to the arrest affidavit, Esson and the teen had sex on the floor of her hotel room while her two children, ages 4 and 8, and their 17-year-old babysitter slept on beds in the same room. Esson was charged with sexual assault on a child by a person in a position of trust, a Class IV felony.
Dawn Welter, 38: Sumner, Wash., teacher at Tenino High School charged April 24, 2007, with second-degree sexual misconduct with a minor for allegedly spending the night with a 16-year-old girl at a motel. Charging papers state that on Feb. 17, Welter engaged in sexual contact with the teen.
Deanna Bobo
Deanna Bobo, 37: Special-education teacher at Raymond E. Wells Junior High School in Greenwood, Ark., allegedly had sex twice in 2005 with a 14-year-old boy in his own bed while his parents were not home. She denied the charge, but was convicted in September 2006 of two counts of first-degree sexual assault and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Deborah Reeder
Deborah Reeder, 45: Substitute teacher from Coral Springs, Fla., arrested in December 2006, charged with having sex at least four times with a 17-year-old boy who was a friend of one of her own three children. The victim told police they had sex multiple times in her car, her bed, on the floor of her bedroom and in the master bedroom shower.
Debra LaFave
Debra LaFave, 25: Tampa, Fla., area teacher received no jail time despite having sex with her 14-year-old male student in a classroom and her Hillsborough County home. In another county, Marion, she was accused of having sex with the boy in an SUV. LaFave claimed at a March 2006 news conference she had a bipolar disorder. The boy's father said LaFave should have received prison time in her plea deal, noting, "It's a horrible, ugly thing that she's done."
Diane DeMartini-Scully, 45: Mattituck, N.Y., woman was the school psychologist at East Hampton Middle School on Long Island when she was accused of having sex with the 16-year-old boyfriend of her own 13-year-old daughter. She allegedly had intercourse and oral sex with the boy on a number of occasions in May 2005 in her home and car. She was arrested after allegedly secretly visiting her young paramour at his new home in North Carolina.
Donna Washburne
Donna Washburne, 47: Librarian assistant at Cheyenne High School, Las Vegas, Nev., was arrested July 26, 2009, on a charge of sexual misconduct with a student. She allegedly performed oral sex on a 17-year-old boy in the back seat of her car while in the school parking lot, according to the arresting school police officer who said he observed the incident. The police report said the boy told police Washburne had called him earlier in the day and asked if he wanted to hang out. Washburne told officers she thought the boy was 18-years-old.
Elizabeth Livesay
Elizabeth Livesay
Elizabeth Livesay, 26: Special education teacher at Carson Junior High School in Mesa, Ariz., was arrested Nov. 17, 2008, on 11 charges she had sex with a 16-year-old girl on numerous occasions outside of school grounds. The 16-year-old is not her student and police believe that the girl has not been Livesay's student in the past. She was put on paid leave of absence during the investigation.
Elizabeth Miklosovic
Elizabeth Miklosovic, 36: Grand Rapids, Mich., teacher at South Haven's Baseline Middle School pleaded no contest to sexually assaulting a 14-year-old female student she "married" in a pagan ritual in June 2004. Miklosovic is also accused of touching the girl's genitals while camping in public parks. She told the judge before sentencing, "The entire ordeal has been blown totally out of proportion for something that was innocent, kind and nurturing in nature." She was sentenced to five to 25 years.
Elizabeth Munn
Elizabeth Munn, 32: Gloversville, N.Y., teacher was arrested for statuatory rape of an eighth-grade male student half her age after someone alerted police with a complaint. The social studies teacher, who had worked in the Broadalbin-Perth School District for more than five years, was considered a competent teacher and the news of her arrest was called a surprise by a district official. According to the Fulton County D.A., Munn admitted to being involved with the 15-year-old student over the summer but wouldn't give any details.
Elizabeth Stow
Elizabeth Stow, 26: Tulare Western High School teacher from Fresno, Calif., area convicted of having sex with three of her students was sentenced in November 2005 to nine years prison, but the judge suspended that sentence and gave her one year, followed by five years of probation. She was also ordered to register as a sex offender.
Ellen Garfield, 43: Former student at Solomon Schecter School in Newton, Mass., said his music teacher took him into an empty classroom where she worked, partially disrobed, and coaxed him into having sex with her in 1998. Garfield was acquitted of all charges in September 2005.
Emily Elizabeth Housley
Emily Elizabeth Housley, 29: Former math teacher at North Side High School in Fort Worth, Texas, was arrested at her mother's home on July 10, 2009, for sexual assault on a child. The married mother of two had resigned earlier after being caught with a 16-year-old male student in a park late at night. According to police, the woman and her student had started flirting and exchanging text messages earlier in the year when he was still 15. The pair became sexually active after he turned 16, with encounters in her classroom after school hours, in her car, at her mother's home, and at her home when her husband and children were away. After school let out for the summer, Housley met the teen at his Fort Worth house while he was alone. "She was going to a teacher conference that was near his house, and she was going over there on her lunch breaks and having sex with him," a detective said.
Emily Morris
Emily Morris, 26: Teacher at Leeds High School in St. Clair County, Ala., faced a possible 20-year sentence, but received one year in jail in December 2006 for having consensual sex with a 15-year-old student at her school. District Attorney Lamar Williamson said Morris had sex with the boy in her car away from school property in February 2005. "She was in a position of trust and authority as a school teacher," he said. Under a plea bargain, according to the Associated Press, prosecutors dropped a second charge of second-degree rape and a charge of second-degree sodomy. Morris' attorney, William Dawson, said she agreed to the plea bargain in part because of the possibility of a longer sentence.
Erica Baker, 23: Teacher at Pfeiffer-Burleigh Elementary School in Erie County, Pa., charged Nov. 13, 2007, in connection with a lesbian relationship with a local teenage girl. Baker was just a student teacher in training at Strong Vincent High School when she originally met the female student. Police say the pair would drive to a parking lot at a campground to engage in sexual contact.
Erica Rutters, 29: Teacher at Oxford Christian Academy in New Oxford, Pa., allegedly wrote erotic messages to a 16-year-old student and had sexual intercourse with him four times in her apartment. She pleaded guilty to corruption of a minor, and received no jail time, just three years of probation in March 2006.
Erica Umosella
Erica Umosella, 28: This southern New Jersey high school physical education teacher was charged with three sex-related offenses, including first-degree aggravated sexual assault, in May 2007 after an alleged three-month relationship with a 17-year-old member of the girl's field hockey team came to light in an anonymous letter to the principal. Umosella, who has been teaching at the school since 2003, was released from police custody after paying $50,000 in bail.
Erin McLean
Erin McLean, 30: Student teacher at West High School in Knoxville, Tenn., who became sexually involved with student Sean Powell in 2005. On March 10, 2006, police say McLean's husband, using a shotgun, killed the 18-year-old boy as he sat in his car outside the McLean's home. Eric McLean was charged in the boy's death and is out on bail. Temporary custody of the couple's children was awarded to the wife. Erin McLean subsequently was hired, under her maiden name, at a Christian school, but was dismissed after a parent complained of her attentions toward a 17-year-old boy. She disappeared in Sept. 2007 from Knoxville with her children, telling an uncle she was going to Califoria to meet someone she met on the Internet.
Franca and Antonia Munoz-Juvera
Franca and Antonia Munoz-Juvera, 26: These twin sisters – both teachers – were arrested in Southern California in December 2006 in connection with alleged lewd acts with an underage female student. Only Franca was charged with "unlawful contact" – Antonia was charged with being aware of the incident and failing to report it as required under California law. An 18-year-old female roommate was also arrested because she "facilitated the crime." On June 6, 2008, Franca was sentenced to 240 days in jail. Antonia and the roomate were sentenced to 120 days in jail to be served on weekends.
Gail E. Gagne
Gail E. Gagne, 25: 25-year-old former weight room supervisor and teacher at Cretin-Derham Hall, a Catholic school in St. Paul, allegedly conducted a sexual relationship with a male student, who worked under her supervision in the weight room. According to the complaint filed the first week of December 2009, the pair had sex in her home and overnight in a hotel in September 2008. Her attorney says she will plead not guilty and go to trial on the charges.
Gay Lyn Turley
Gay Lyn Turley, 42: Mesa High School teacher and softball coach in Scottsdale, Ariz., was arrested on Dec. 19, 2007, after a 20-year-old woman who had lived with her told police of their sexual relationship that began when she was 16 and a student at Mesa. The relationship had soured between the pair earlier in the year.
Georgianne Harrell, 24: Teacher at Holley Elementary School in Sylvester, Ga., charged with performing oral sex on a 9-year-old boy in April 2005, allowing students to gaze down her blouse and slashing her wrists with glass in front of her students. Though she originally pleaded not guilty, she changed her plea to guilty just before trial, and was sentenced to 25 years in prison for aggravated child molestation.
Gina Marie Watring
Gina Marie Watring, 40: Teacher's assistant at Creekside Elementary in Durham, N.C., was arrested April 29, 2009, and charged with having sexual intercourse with a 10-year-old male student on at least two occasions. According to search warrants in the case, school administrators first became suspicious of Watring - who taught drama and dance at the school - after intercepting a note written by the boy. "Gina, I love you so much babe. I'm so lucky to have you. I'm glad you feel the same way. I want to be with you forever. I’d never do anything to hurt u," it read. School officials said they found a cell phone in the child's possession, and text messages between him and Watring. During questioning by detectives, the boy told them that he was in love with Watring and that they had had sex on two separate occasions in her home. Steve Monks, attorney for Watring, said his client is married with children, and is active in Sunday school at church. He said Watring is innocent and that the case stems from "the infatuation of a 10-year-old boy."
Gwen Cardozo
Gwen Cardozo, 33: Teacher at Wasson High School in Colorado Springs, Colo., accused of having sex with a 17-year-old male student. Police charged her with sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust, and Cardozo resigned her position in March 2005. She pleaded guilty in July 2005 and received a deferred sentence, meaning no jail time if she remains trouble-free for four years.
Heather Lea Burroughs
Heather Lea Burroughs, 23: Substitute teacher at Pahokee Middle-Senior High in Pahokee, Fla., arrested Jan. 22, 2007, for allegedly performing a sex act on a student in an empty classroom during school hours. Palm Beach County district officials did not release the student's name, age or gender, but arrest records indicate the student was between 12 and 18. If convicted of the first-degree felony of sexual assault, Burroughs could face up to 30 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.
Heather Ingram, 30: Mathematics, science and business teacher at Chatelech Secondary School in Sechelt, British Columbia, had sex with a 17-year-old student. The relationship cost Ingram her job and reportedly led to the breakup of her 12-year common-law marriage to a man four years her senior.
Heather Kennedy
Heather Kennedy, 25: Popular math teacher and track coach at Wantagh High School on Long Island, N.Y, was arrested March 27, 2008, and charged with statutory rape. She was accused of having sex with a 16-year-old male student in the parking lot of a neighboring high school. One shocked student said, "I'm really shocked. She's an amazing teacher. She's willing to do anything with the students." On July 22, 2008, while awaiting sentencing after having pleaded guilty, Kennedy was charged with having another five sexual trysts with the boy. "Almost immediately after she walked out of court, she was having contact with the victim by phone and in person," Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice said.
Heather Thorsby
Heather Thorsby, 34: Art teacher at Independence High School in Franklin, Tenn., indicted in November 2007 on seven counts, including three charges of statutory rape. Thorsby is accused of inappropriate behavior with a 17-year-old female student. The relationship reportedly began as a friendship, but turned sexual, with alleged contact at school and home. Thorsby was sentenced to three years in prison on July 28, 2008.
Heather Lynne Zeo
Heather Lynne Zeo, 37: The married math teacher from North Penn High School in Lansdale, Penn., was arrested May 21, 2009, for allegedly having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old student the previous month and leaving sexually explicit Internet and phone messages for another student earlier in the school year. Police report Zeo - a Christian singer who has released two CDs - admitted to the sexual relationship. The mother of three used Facebook to communicate with the boy about sexual acts the two were to perform on one another. As rumors of the relationship grew, Leo began meeting the boy for sex in her minivan at a Target store parking lot.
Hope Jacoby
Hope Jacoby, 23: The athletic trainer at Tustin High School in Orange County, Calif., was arrested Christmas Eve 2008 on suspicion of oral copulation of a minor and unlawful sex with a minor. Jacoby had worked with athletes at the school for the last year. "Even though the age gap may be fairly close, it's still illegal and we will arrest," a Sheriff's Department spokesman said. On July 29, 2009, Jacoby was sentenced to three years of informal probation and 240 hours of community service for her crime.
Hope Johns
Hope Johns, 31: English teacher at Saltillo High School in Lee County, Miss., was arrested Oct. 13. 2009, for allegedly having a sexual relationship with her 16-year-old male student. Sheriff Jim Johnson said Johns tutored the boy at her home, which is where the incidents allegedly occurred. None are said to have taken place on campus. Johns was suspended from the classroom a week berfore her arrest because she had sent an improper text message to the student. She was charged with one count of sexual battery, with further charges pending.
Jacquelyn Faith Garrison, 19: Substitute teacher at South Central High School in Winterville, N.C., was indicted in January 2006 on charges she was having an improper relationship with a 15-year-old student. The case involves some 50 phone calls and text messages exchanged between Garrison and the boy, who reportedly became uncomfortable when things of a sexual nature came up.
Jamie Armstrong
Jamie Armstrong, 25: Science teacher at Tara High School in East Baton Rouge, La., was arrested in April 2007 for allegedly having sexual relations with a 16-year-old female student, including one occasion at the school. The girl was not in Armstrong's class, but was tutored by her several times per week. According to a probable cause affidavit, the girl she told deputies she visited Armstrong at her residence on several occasions and had consensual sex with her at least three times, even spending the entire night with the instructor.
Janelle Batkins
Janelle Batkins, 42: French teacher at Roseville High School in Roseville, Mich., was arrested in September 2007 and charged with two counts of third degree criminal sexual conduct for a relationship with a 17-year-old student that had begun the previous December and lasted until June. The former "teacher of the year" resigned her position.
Janelle Bird
Janelle Marie Bird, 24: Accused of having a two-year affair with a 15-year-old student from East Hill Christian School, in Pensacola, Fla. Declaring her love for the boy, she was charged with two counts of lewd and lascivious battery and two counts of unlawful sexual activity with a minor. Though Bird could have received 30 years upon conviction, she was sentenced in 2006 to two years in state prison.
Janet Hughes
Janet Hughes, 32: Viera, Fla., teacher at Jackson Middle School in Titusville, Fla., arrested April 23, 2007, after detectives found her in the company of a 16-year-old male student inside a van in a church parking lot. According to the arrest affidavit, Hughes, who is a wife and mother, admitted to engaging in sexual activity with the boy on at least one occasion.
Janet Parker
Janet Parker, 26: This East Texas teacher might have gotten way with her alleged sexual relationship with a male student if the teen hadn't had a screensaver on his cell phone that featured a tobacco product. The woman had been investigated by authorities in late 2006 when suspicions were aroused, but nothing could be proved. The tobacco screensaver resulted in the phone being confiscated at school in May 2007 and other "inappropriate" images of Parker were discovered. A warrant revealed similar images on her own computer and she is now facing nearly two dozen charges.
Jaymee Wallace
Jaymee Wallace, 28: Basketball coach in Tampa, Fla., charged with having an 18-month lesbian relationship with a student. Authorities say the student, who was 15 when she met Wallace, voluntarily had sex with the coach more than 50 times, in a parking lot at Busch Gardens and often at Wallace's own apartment while a fellow classmate was in an adjacent room. According to the police report, the sexual relationship reportedly began in early 2003, after the student received a note from Wallace saying she "found her attractive and wanted to know if she felt the same way." On Dec. 5, 2007, Wallace was sentenced to three years of prison, followed by three years of sex offender probation. In late October 2009, the former student filed suit against the school district for failing to protect her, alleging the school didn't properly investigate the teacher before her hiring and didn't immediately tell the girl's parents when it discovered the relationship. The lawsuit says the girl suffered "embarrassment, mental anguish and physical illness."
Jennifer Cisco
Jennifer Cisco, 30: School nurse at Green Forest High School in Green Forest, Ark., arrested on Nov. 14, 2007, for a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old male student and providing two 17-year-old male students with beer. The school recently received a grant for $10,000 to start a school-based health clinic study. Cisco applied for the grant and the school was rather excited about getting the program off the ground.
Jennifer Dempsey
Jennifer Dempsey, 28: Spanish teacher at Oswego County High School, Syracuse, N.Y., was arrested March 25, 2008, for having an inappropriate relationship with a 16-year-old male student. Dempsey had been suspended from teaching two months before after a parent complained of inappropriate electronic messages sent to "three of four" of her children.
Jennifer Dorland
Jennifer Dorland, 42: Grade 7 and 8 teacher at Rothwell-Osnabruck School, Ingleside, Ontario, was found guilty on Dec. 20, 2007, of sexual assault, invitation to sexual touching and sexual interference with a 13-year-old boy in September 2004. She admitted she had sent inappropriate e-mails to the former student, but denied she had engaged in a sexual relationship with the young male. "It was absolutely a terrible, horrible idea. I have been paying for that e-mail and conversation for two years," she said.
Jennifer Espinosa
Jennifer Espinosa, 38: The Maine East High School teacher in Skokie, Ill., was arrested May 26, 2009, and accused of having sex with a 16-year-old former student and member of the Sureno 13 gang. According to police, Espinosa, who is married with two children, told them she "loved" the boy and that they have had sex numerous times, in her Park Ridge home and in her car at various locations around the high school. Police picked up the teacher, the boy and another male gang member, 22, when they smelled marijuana coming from her car.
Jennifer Mally
Jennifer Mally, 26: English teacher and cheerleading coach at Paradise Valley High School in Phoenix, Ariz., arrested in May 2007 and charged with 29 counts of sexual conduct with a minor. Police said the parents of the victim – a 16-year-old male student – contacted the school about a possible sexual relationship between their son and Mally that may have been going on since October 2006.
Jennifer Rice
Jennifer Rice, 31: Tacoma, Wash., teacher arrested Aug. 11, 2007, for allegedly kidnapping and raping her 10-year-old student numerous times. Rice was an instructor at McKinley Elementary School whose contract was not renewed after the school received complaints she was socializing inappropriately with students. Authorities say Rice admitted she raped the fourth-grade boy at a rest stop, and court documents indicate the pair had intercourse several times on previous occasions, including once in the boy's home. On Sept. 10, 2007, prosecutors filed additional charges against Rice for allegedly raping another boy, age 14- to 16-years old.
Jennifer Tarkenton
Jennifer Tarkenton, 34: Teacher at Greenwood Lakes Middle School in Lake Mary, Fla., was arrested on Nov. 30, 2007, on three counts of lewd or lascivious battery on a child after police found her and a 14-year-old male student in her car. The boy told deputies that he and Tarkenton had sex inside the vehicle after she picked him up at his house, drove to a nearby pharmacy and purchased condoms.
Jessica Bailey Wishnask
Jessica Bailey Wishnask, 27: The former language arts teacher at Williston Middle School in Wilmington N.C., was arrested on May 23, 2009, when a police officer noticed a car with its brake lights on and the seats down. Wishnask, who lists herself as married and a "proud parent" on her MySpace page, was found "in intimate contact" with a 15-year-old-boy. "It doesn't matter if he wanted the activity," David said. "If he is under the age of 16 and any sexual activity occurred between her and him, it's a felony," said New Hanover County District Attorney Ben David.
Joan Marie Sladky, 28: Redwood City, Calif., woman sentenced to six months in county jail for having sex with a 16-year-old student after pleading no contest to four counts of unlawful sexual intercourse, oral copulation and penetration with a foreign object. The Spanish teacher's relationship with the boy spanned six months, as she reportedly had sex with him once at his home and three times at her residence, which was on the property of the private Baptist church and school where she taught.
Jodi Church
Jodi Church, 26: Teacher at Manual High School in Peoria, Ill., arrested March 2, 2007, for allegedly having sex with a 16-year-old male student. Church faced one count of criminal sexual assault, a felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison. She also faced federal charges of enticement for allegedly using MySpace.com to try to persuade a different 16-year-old male student to have sex with her.
Julia Lund
Julia Lund, 28: Language teacher at Chaska High School in Minnesota, arrested in December 2006, charged with third-degree sexual assault for allegedly performing oral sex on a 17-year-old male student. The victim told police he first noticed Lund staring at him in the school hallway, before she asked him to contact her. Lund allegedly told the boy her husband was away and she was lonely. During her trial, Lund's defense argued not all wrongdoing was criminal. The jury agreed, and acquitted her on July 16, 2007.
Julie A. Denno
Julie A. Denno
Julie A. Denno, 27: The former teacher at the American School for the Deaf in West Hartford, Conn., was charged Sept. 26, 2008, for second-degree sexual assault and impairing the morals of a minor, for sexual assaults that occurred during a two-month period in her home. Police wouldn't say the age of the student – a boy – to protect his identity.
Julie Pritchett, 34: Female special education teacher and sponsor of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes club at Clay-Chalkville Middle School in Jefferson County, Ala., was charged in June 2008 with having sex with at least eight high school students between the ages of 15 and 19. When Pritchett discovered she was being investigated, she reportedly changed her phone number, shut down her MySpace account and resigned from her teaching position where she was a tenured teacher.
Kanesa Hopkins
Kanesa Hopkins, 31: "Teacher of the Year" at Westview Middle School in Goose Creek, S.C., was fired in May 2007 in the wake of allegations she had sex with a 14-year-old female student four years earlier. Court documents indicate Hopkins was also the girl's Sunday School teacher and police said church officials questioned the amount of time the two spent together in December 2002. The relationship allegedly became sexual in January 2003.
Karen Patton
Karen Patton, 41: English teacher and cheerleading coach at Scott Memorial Middle School in Wytheville, Va., resigned in January 2006 after she was charged with having oral sex with a 13-year-old student. Patton was arrested after the boy's mother went to police with instant messages between the boy and Patton, and what appeared to be a handwritten letter from Patton that referenced a sexual relationship. On March 12, 2007, she pleaded no contest to two counts of carnal knowledge and one count of non-forcible sodomy.
Karen Robbins
Karen Robbins: Laurens County, S.C., woman was charged on Sept. 23, 2007, with criminal sexual conduct with a minor and committing a lewd act upon a child. Police say the incidents took place in her car and in her home. The alleged crimes occured when the former teacher was working at Bell Street Middle School in Clinton. This is the same school where teacher Allenna Ward, also on this list, had sex with five boys.
Elizabeth Livesay
Kasey Johnes
Kasey Johnes, 37: Health teacher at Edwardsville High School in Edwardsville, Ill., was arrested April 17, 2009, after local police were alerted by a school administrator of possible illegal conduct by a teacher involving a male student, 17. An investigation revealed that Johnes had a sexual relationship with the student who is now 18 years old. According to police, Johnes confessed to the allegations as did the student. The alleged sex took place at Johnes' Glen Carbon, Ill., home over the course of about five months. She is being charged with one count of criminal sexual assault and one count of aggravated criminal sexual abuse.
Katherine J. Harder
Katherine J. Harder
Katherine J. Harder, 31 Language arts teacher at Manhattan High School, near Topeka, Kansas, was arrested March 26, 2008, when a deputy on patrol found the woman and a 17-year-old male student allegedly having sexual relations in a parked car near a local dam. While Kansas teens can legally consent to sex at age 16, it is a felony for teachers to have relations with any student of any age who attends the school where they work. Harder resigned her position then rescinded her decision. The school board voted to fire her on April 2, 2008.
Katherine Hicks
Katherine Hicks, 39: Kindergarten teacher from Niangua, Mo., charged in March 2009 with having sexual contact with a high-school boy and furnishing pornography to him. Police said the investigation of Hicks started after the student's mother complained to city police. In the probable cause affidavit, a detective said the 17-year-old student indicated he and Hicks had a personal relationship that included kissing, him touching her breast, her touching his rear, as well as an exchange of nude pictures and "dirty messages" via cellular telephones. The student was in her classroom to be a tutor for the A+ Program, which requires high school students to tutor other students as one requirement to be eligible for a community college scholarship.
Katherine Tew
Katherine Tew, 30: Married English teacher from Greenville, N.C., arrested for having sex with a 17-year-old boy. She taught at South Central High School in Winterville, N.C., and was convicted of taking indecent liberties with a child, but found not guilty of the more serious sex charge. She was not given prison time, and lost her teaching license for at least two years.
Kathy White, 39: Teacher at Lumberton High School in Lumberton, Texas, charged with having sex with a 17-year-old student. The victim, Michael Ferguson, alleges: "She just started grabbing me and hormones were on and it just happened." Ferguson provided KBTV-TV with an e-mail allegedly sent by White, in which the teacher told him, "I get these cravings for YOU and that's not NORMAL! If I had it my way, I'd do you once a week just because it's good."
Katryna Martin
Katryna Martin, 28: The eighth-grade science teacher at North Gulfport School in Gulfport, Miss., was arrested on Feb. 13, 2009, and charged with unlawful touching of a child for lustful purposes and sexual battery. Police said the alleged victim was one of Martin's former students who was being tutored in her home. After making bail, Martin was placed under house arrest and fitted with an electronic GPS bracelet and ordered not to enter a "1 1/2 square mile red zone" around the girl's residence and school. She was arrested a second time on March 4, 2009, and charged with statuatory rape for alleged sexual intercourse with a 15-year-old male student at her home in July 2008.
Kellie Ann Cormican
Kellie Ann Cormican
Kellie Ann Cormican, 38:The former teacher's aide from the Crookston, Minn., school district changed her plea to guilty on Dec. 17, 2008, for her sexual relationship with a 14-year-old boy in August, September and November of 2007. In exchange for her guilty plea to five counts of third-degree criminal sexual contact, five charges of first-degree criminal sexual conduct were dropped. Cormican told police she thought the boy was 16, not 14.
Christina Oliver
Kelly Abdo, 28: The former teacher and volleyball coach at Monroe High School in Michigan was charged in November 2008 with indecent exposure based on allegations two 17-year-old high school students saw her having sex in a car outside a party with another male student, also 17, earlier in the year. The student initially denied the accusation and, because he turned 18 and Michigan does not prohibit sex between teachers and 18-year olds, that incident was not at trial. Abdo insisted on her innocence but pleaded no contest on March 25, 2009, and was sentenced to two years probation. Abdo's husband filed for divorce on March 13.
Kelly Dalecki
Kelly Lynn Dalecki, 26: Elementary-school teacher from St. Augustine, Fla., pleaded no contest to charges she had sex with a 13-year-old boy in 2003. The boy's parents reportedly found more than 50 sexually explicit e-mails and pornographic pictures allegedly sent by Dalecki on his computer. Dalecki was sentenced to nearly a year in prison.
Kelsey Peterson
Kelsey Peterson, 25: Sixth grade math teacher and basketball coach at Lexington Middle School, Neb., was arrested Nov. 3, 2007, in Mexicali, Mexico, with a 13-year-old boy from her school with whom she is believed to have been having a sexual relationship. The boy was an illegal alien in the United States. Peterson faces charges of kidnapping, child abuse, and contributing to the delinquency of a minor, as well as federal charges for transporting a minor across a foreign border for sexual activity.
Kenzi Friday
Kenzi Friday, 23: Geography teacher and cheerloading coach at Midland High School in Midland, Texas, was arrested on April 24, 2009, on a charge of improper educator/student relationship. Friday is accused of having sexual relations with a 17-year-old male student. The alleged incidents took place between the start of the school year through the beginning of April at a north Midland residence. She was released on a $25,000 bond and submitted her resignation.
Kesha D. Manuel, 29
Kesha D. Manuel, 29: The former Belaire High School art teacher from Baton Rouge, La., received active supervised probation for five years and unsupervised bench probation for two years on Feb. 17, 2009, after pleading guilty to a felony charge of cruelty to a juvenile and a misdemeanor charge of carnal knowledge of a juvenile. Manuel was originally sentenced to eight years hard labor and six additional months in prison on the two charges but the sentence was suspended. Manuel was arrested in October 2007. According to reports, she and the 15-year-old student frequently exchanged letters during the school day, and on Oct. 20, 2007, they met at a public library and had sexual intercourse in a stall in the women's restroom. Manuel admitted to a deputy she allowed him to kiss and fondle her in her classroom during free periods.
Kimberly Lynch
Kimberly Lynch, 37: Macedon, N.Y., woman was a teacher's aide at Palmyra-Macedon High School who admitted having a sexual affair with a 16-year-old male student, including in school halls, in a car and at the boy's home in February 2004. The married mother of three reportedly detailed the tryst in love letters the local newspaper said included discussion about having a baby together.
Kirsten Kinley
Kirsten Kinley, 27: Special-education teacher at Hammond Middle School in Howard County, Md., arrested in February 2007 for alleged sexual activity with a 15-year-old boy on New Year's Eve 2004 and in January 2005. Court documents indicate the boy told police the pair chatted online when Kinley asked him if "he was a virgin and then asked him to have sex w
-
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/art ... 1552.shtml (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/5/01552.shtml)
Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church
Jon E. Dougherty, Newsmax
Monday, Apr. 05, 2004
In 2002, the Boston Globe uncovered a scandal of international proportions when it began running a series of investigative reports detailing dozens of cases in which Catholic priests had sexually abused scores of children.
The paper's damning revelations shook the church to its core, prompting outrage and calls for reform all the way from California to New York to the Vatican in Rome.
By year's end, some 1,200 priests had been accused of abuse nationwide, the New York Times reported, in an investigative report of its own. In the ensuing maelstrom, five U.S. prelates resigned. Also, bishops from Argentina, Germany, Ireland, Poland, Wales, Scotland, Canada, Switzerland and Austria were also forced out of the church. More than 80 percent of the church's victims were male.
Worse for the church, Americans discovered some of the most abusive priests were protected by upper echelons of the clergy. Repeated abusive offenses by men like Revs. James Porter and John Geoghan were covered up by the church or, when they occasionally were made public, dismissed as rarities or infrequent behavior.
These priests were moved around from diocese to diocese, given positions that limited their contact with children, or moved to administrative duties – but they usually found their way back into a parish, holding Mass and coming in contact with more potential victims.
In the end, the Vatican's credibility, the church itself, and the entire Catholic faith, was damaged to the point where it will take decades to repair; the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, in a report on the nature and scope of the abuse problems, found almost 11,000 cases of abuse by about 4,000 priests and deacons since 1950.
"The heartfelt sorrow that we feel for this violation and the often ineffective ways with which it was dealt has strengthened our commitment to do everything possible to see that it does not happen again," said Bishop Wilton Gregory, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.
Now, on the heels of the Catholic abuse scandal comes another of historic proportions—one that has the potential to be much greater and far-reaching. According to a draft report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, in compliance with the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by President Bush, between 6 percent and 10 percent of public school children across the country have been sexually abused or harassed by school employees and teachers.
Charol Shakeshaft, the Hofstra University scholar who prepared the report, said the number of abuse cases—which range from unwanted sexual comments to rape—could be much higher.
"So we think the Catholic Church has a problem?" she told industry newspaper Education Week in a March 10 interview.
To support her contention, Shakeshaft compared the priest abuse data with data collected in a national survey for the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation in 2000. Extrapolating data from the latter, she estimated roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a school employee from a single decade—1991-2000. That compares with about five decades of cases of abusive priests.
Such figures led her to contend "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."
Early Comparisons
The comparison of church-school sexual abuse cases began early—years before Shakeshaft's report was completed.
In June 2002, The Associated Press reported clergy abuse cases overshadowed teacher-student sex abuse cases, though the report stated the school cases were not "uncommon."
"Some experts point to what they see as a permissive attitude toward such relationships and a double standard because cases involving female teachers and male students are treated less severely," AP reported.
"The dynamics of the teacher-student cases are often different than the classic sexual abuse cases because they seem to involve consenting relationships between teachers and students," Finkelhor, director of the Center for Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire, told the wire service. ". . . Clear boundaries have to be enforced."
Nan Stein, director of a project on sexual harassment in schools at the Center for Research on Women at Wellesley College, cited far fewer cases annually than Shakeshaft; she said she believes "several hundred" cases of student-teacher sexual abuse cases occur each year.
And six years earlier Education Week searched newspaper archives and databases, finding 244 cases in a six-month period. The allegations in that short 1998 study ranged from unwanted touching to sexual relationships and serial rape.
Currently, there is no single agency that tracks such incidents. And only a few national surveys, as of 2002, had been conducted on the subject of teacher-student sex—and most of them were sexual harassment studies.
"None of these studies—either singly or as a group—answer all of the reasonable questions that parents, students, educators, and the public ask about educator sexual misconduct," says Shakeshaft, in her draft report. "And certainly do not provide information at a level of reliability and validity appropriate to the gravity of these offenses."
The Death of Outrage?
What is also different about the school cases is the level of secondary media coverage it has—or, in this case, hasn't—received.
Yet, media coverage of the Catholic priest abuse scandal was nearly wall-to-wall; every major television news program, every major newspaper and wire service, and most mass market magazines covered the scandal relentlessly.
But, reports the National Catholic Register, a leading faith publication, "a search on the media database LexisNexis for "Charol Shakeshaft" turned up no articles eight days after" the Education Week report.
An online search by NewsMax.com found similar disinterest. Google.com's news database, for example, returned just four entries for "Charol Shakeshaft;" two were Catholic publications.
The Indianapolis Star and Christian Science Monitor only briefly mentioned Shakeshaft's data; the later publication couched her remarks about schools in an article primarily rehashing the Catholic church abuse scandal.
Yahoo.com's news search engine returned only three; two were similar stories from the Indianapolis Star.
'Serious' Issue?
Catholic leaders especially are wondering why more coverage of the issue, as well as more action by government education officials, hasn't been forthcoming, in the weeks since the Education Week story.
"If the country is serious about [sexual abuse of children] as a national issue, we have to direct our resources to where the problem is worse," Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, an New York-based Catholic advocacy group, told the Register. "But instead what we get is a selective indignation that suggests there is an agenda here."
Indeed, even some judges express a more permissive attitude regarding teacher-pupil sex.
Case in point: In Hackensack, N.J., in the spring of 2002, a state judge sentenced 43-year-old teacher Pamela Diehl-Moore to probation for having sex with a seventh-grade student who was only 13 at the time.
Though prosecutors had argued for jail for Diehl-Moore, the judge in the case, Bruce A. Gaeta, disagreed. He put the onus on the student, saying the encounters with his teacher may only have been a way for him to "satisfy his sexual needs."
According to court transcripts, as reported by AP, Gaeta said, "I don't see anything here that shows this young man has been psychologically damaged by her actions. And don't forget, this was mutual consent."
He was referred to a judicial disciplinary committee.
That is one identifiable double-standard: relationships between male students and female teachers. For one, say experts, most school sexual abuse occurs between male teachers and female students. For another, male students tend to report sex with female teachers far less; they are treated less severely because boys see little wrong with the acts.
"I think our society sort of says to the boy: 'Congratulations, that's great. Everybody fantasizes about having a sexual relationship with an older woman,'" Bob Shoop, an education professor at Kansas State University and an expert witness in 30 court cases involving sexual abuse in schools, told AP.
Case Studies
Some of the most recent cases of school sexual abuse include the following:
# In 2002, a California high school teacher ran off to Las Vegas with one of her 15-year-old students;
# The same year, a Louisiana teacher was accused of having an affair with a 14-year-old student;
# In the Bronx, one teacher was charged with the statutory rape of a 16-year-old former student;
# In March, a 20-year-old Anderson, Ind. choir aide was charged with allegedly raping a 16-year-old female student—the two had a consensual relationship for three months before the girl asked to break it off;
# A week earlier, an Indianapolis Public Schools substitute was caught having sex with a 15-year-old student in a vacant classroom;
# A Washington state teacher was convicted of 10 counts of sexually exploiting minors by persuading them to pose nude for him—he then uploaded some of the images to a Web site;
# Also in Washington, state officials say 159 coaches of girls sports have been fired or reprimanded over the last decade for sexual misconduct;
# An investigation found more than 60 instances in the last four years of Texas high school and middle school coaches losing jobs as a result of allegations of sexual misconduct.
What Next?
Some states have specific laws banning sex between teachers and students. Many others, however, rely on statutory rape laws, but they sometimes do little to protect student-teacher sex that is consensual or between an adult and minor child close to the age of consent.
For her part, Shakeshaft believes more study of the issue is needed, but that officials and educators should take the available data in her report to heart now.
"Some individual districts might have changed some policies or had an in-service workshop, but really there hasn't been any systematic response to this issue," she said.
"It isn't as if we need to stop and wait for a study. I do believe we know enough to take some actions."
-
Eckerd uses Gleasser's Reality Therapy. [The short version]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_therapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_therapy)
Reality therapy provides a model of building relationships by instructing helpers to create a need-satisfying counseling environment. The five basic needs of all humans are survival; love and belonging; power; freedom and fun. So, in a helping relationship, the helper must create an environment where it is possible for the person being helped to feel safe; to feel connected to the helper in some way; to be listened to and respected; to have some choices; and to have some fun or learning with the helper. After creating this need-satisfying environment and working hard to maintain it throughout the relationship, the helper can move on to the actual problem.
There were allot of kids that came from juvenile hall to Eckerd Camp E-Hun-Tee. The only things they concerned themselves with were sleep, food, water, taking daily dumps, showers, games, siesta and school. They didn't respond well to wilderness group counselors [who live with them 24 hours a day/5 days per week] who used all the lingo associated, for the most part, with reality therapy. I thought it worked best to get straight to the point and be a straight shooter in group settings.
Thanks Joel, these are fairly benign and very effective methods in helping troubled teens get back on a healthy path. If you combine this with a few more of the basic techiniques of GGI/ Positive Peer Culture you can attain a high degree of success in helping these kids. (Not familiar enough to know if Eckerd did this or not) One of the problems is that it is not effective on all children and producing a screening process to determine ahead of time which students would benefit and which would not has not been established or even defined, to my knowledge.
Most of the ground work and studies of these methodologies were laid in the 1950’s with surprising success and as you laid out for us they were able to boil and distill it down to a simple and straight forward template for helping kids.
survival; love and belonging; power; freedom and fun.
I think we can easily see where the use of the term survivor came from, which is used here on fornits to describe kids who passed though these steps.
What a bizarre post. I totally missed this the first time around; just happened across it due to a search for something else...
So Whooter... I find your portrayal of your current conception of Guided Group Interaction/Positive Peer Culture in the above post more than a bit curious. As you well know, I've been talking about the connection between TC/GGI/PPC for several years now. The few times you've even deigned to acknowledge that, you've pretty much blown it off by exaggerating it to ridiculous proportions. As recently as two months ago (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=30400&p=362292#p362292), you were characterizing GGI as "some brainwashing process used in the 1940s," that Ursus, poor soul, was deluded enough to connect to current TTI practices:
Ursus has used this same mentality saying that programs were rooted from some brainwashing process used in the 1940's so therefore they must brainwash today. If he can make himself believe that then he can easily believe the Hitler connection. Do you see what I mean?[/list]
But now... you say that "if you combine [Glassner's Reality Therapy] with a few more of the basic techiniques of GGI/ Positive Peer Culture you can attain a high degree of success in helping these kids." LOLLLLL.
Geez... What happened? Did ya do some research? Or did you find out that the latter pretense was a better marketing strategy? After all, these programs *DO* all use therapeutic community methodologies of one sort or another. Denying that fact might cost you some credibility with your marks! :D
Of course, GGI plus Reality Therapy, as well as a few other psychologically based behavior modification theories, were supposed to supplant the physically brutal methods generally used in institutional and correctional care at the time (1950s, 60s). The fact that psychologically based methodologies could also harm kids through long term trauma was not then well understood.
Coercion, no matter the kind, always has its cost.
-
What a bizarre post. I totally missed this the first time around; just happened across it due to a search for something else...
So Whooter... I find your portrayal of your current conception of Guided Group Interaction/Positive Peer Culture in the above post more than a bit curious. As you well know, I've been talking about the connection between TC/GGI/PPC for several years now. The few times you've even deigned to acknowledge that, you've pretty much blown it off by exaggerating it to ridiculous proportions. As recently as two months ago (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=30400&p=362292#p362292), you were characterizing GGI as "some brainwashing process used in the 1940s," that Ursus, poor soul, was deluded enough to connect to current TTI practices:
Ursus has used this same mentality saying that programs were rooted from some brainwashing process used in the 1940's so therefore they must brainwash today. If he can make himself believe that then he can easily believe the Hitler connection. Do you see what I mean?[/list]
But now... you say that "if you combine [Glassner's Reality Therapy] with a few more of the basic techiniques of GGI/ Positive Peer Culture you can attain a high degree of success in helping these kids." LOLLLLL.
Geez... What happened? Did ya do some research? Or did you find out that the latter pretense was a better marketing strategy? After all, these programs *DO* all use therapeutic community methodologies of one sort or another. Denying that fact might cost you some credibility with your marks! :D
Of course, GGI plus Reality Therapy, as well as a few other psychologically based behavior modification theories, were supposed to supplant the physically brutal methods generally used in institutional and correctional care at the time (1950s, 60s). The fact that psychologically based methodologies could also harm kids through long term trauma was not then well understood.
Coercion, no matter the kind, always has its cost.
Ursus, everything stems from our past and comes from somewhere. But the difference is that you follow the path and if that path goes through Synanon then you tag it as such. If a company, like IBM, did business with Germany while Hitler was in power then you paint everything that IBM does as somehow evil or underhanded.
If a program hires a person that once worked for a CEDU school then you would label that program as CEDU based or try to taint the program because of that hire.
So yes every program probably has a little Therapeutic community or Glassners RealityTherapy, positive Peer Culture. They may have IBM computers which connect back to Hitler or maybe drink Tang that connects back to the US space program or have hired a black person who you could trace their roots back to slavery. But we cannot conclude by these items that the program is based on Hitler’s ideals or NASA’s set of principals or that they institute the laws of slavery based on these connections.
I am sure all programs have survival; love; belonging; power; freedom and fun within their model somewhere.
Looking at the past and figuring out how were got here , to this point in time, is all good and fine. But you need to look at what we are doing in the present to really find out and judge whether the program is effective, abusive or not.
...
-
Danny Boy Wrote:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39783
Sunday, June 20, 2010
The big list: Female teachers with students
Most comprehensive account on Internet of women predators on campus
Posted: June 17, 2010
3:19 am Eastern
© 2010 WorldNetDaily.com
Here is a list of the teacher 'sexpidemic' cases WND has documented where female teachers have been accused, or convicted, of assaulting students:
Abbie Jane Swogger
Abbie Jane Swogger, 34: Teacher's aide at Highlands Senior High School in Harrison, Pa., was arrested Feb. 22, 2008, for renting a hotel room where police found beer, marijuana, an open condom wrapper and at least four teenage girls and boys, including several of her 15-year-old son's friends. Though categorically denying rumors she was having sex with students from the school, Swogger was quoted as saying, "I was stupid, very stupid. I already know I was and I can understand you looking at me wrong. It's the biggest mistake I ever made in my whole life." Police allege Swogger "asked or encouraged" two 15-year-old runaway girls to have sex with her. According to a police papers, Swogger admitted to having sex with a 17-year-old boy and asked police, "How serious is that?" The one-time exotic dancer resigned Feb. 25, 2008. Swogger accepted a 3- to-6-year jail term that included a 36-year probation on May 26, 2009. "I'm sorry I was not the role model I should have been. I'm really sorry," she told the judge.
Blah.. Blah Blah..
the alphabet runs out...
Yvette Starzyk, 26: Female athletic trainer and substitute teacher at Hinkley High School in Aurora, Colo., was fired and charged with sexual assault on a former student, a boy of 15. She turned herself in March 28, 2008. She reportedly had an ongoing sexual affair with the boy, with the encounters taking place at several locations away from the school. Authorities were also investigating the possibility more victims were involved with Starzyk.
I can think of a few names that still belong on that list.. They have not been arrested.. They have not been charged. Hell, they don t even work in Public Schools.
Paul St. John
-
To me, it s not about how many teachers have been arrested and charged for sexual or any other type of abuse. It s about the people who reside somehow outside the public and still have not been held accountable for their actions..
Paul
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
To me, it s not about how many teachers have been arrested and charged for sexual or any other type of abuse. It s about the people who reside somehow outside the public and still have not been held accountable for their actions..
Paul
Great point there, Paul.
-
To me, it s not about how many teachers have been arrested and charged for sexual or any other type of abuse. It s about the people who reside somehow outside the public and still have not been held accountable for their actions..
Paul
Jeesh how exactly do you reside outside the public. Paul have you been arrested for all your crimes, my friend.
I certainly don't think so.
:beat: "It's not about arresting teachers/staff at schools for abuse". :beat:
-
To me, it s not about how many teachers have been arrested and charged for sexual or any other type of abuse. It s about the people who reside somehow outside the public and still have not been held accountable for their actions..
Paul
Jeesh how exactly do you reside outside the public.
Figuratively speaking... by operating a program rather then a school.
Paul have you been arrested for all your crimes, my friend.
I certainly don't think so.
Would you care to enlighten me asshole?
:beat: "It's not about arresting teachers/staff at schools for abuse". :beat:
Is that your quote dumb fuck, 'cause I know that I didn t write it. Go back.. take a look.. You ignorant asshole..
You will never know the experience of actually mocking someone within context.. Will you, asshole?
Paul
-
What I meant was.. (I figure I have to spell it out for you, because you are so damn stupid).. that I am more interested in those who have escaped justice.
You might have seen that, if you weren t busy defending these crooked pricks in your mind.
Paul
-
Don't leave me hanging, danny.. You want a fight? You got it.
Paul
-
:on phone: It seems that the handful of personages posting under the username "DannyB II" have lost track of each other's activities:
Originally posted (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30639&p=367706#p367548) on 21 Jun 2010:
To me, it s not about how many teachers have been arrested and charged for sexual or any other type of abuse. It s about the people who reside somehow outside the public and still have not been held accountable for their actions..
Paul
Great point there, Paul.
Originally posted (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30639&p=367706#p367705) earlier today, on 23 Jun 2010:
To me, it s not about how many teachers have been arrested and charged for sexual or any other type of abuse. It s about the people who reside somehow outside the public and still have not been held accountable for their actions..
Paul
Jeesh how exactly do you reside outside the public. Paul have you been arrested for all your crimes, my friend.
I certainly don't think so.
:beat: "It's not about arresting teachers/staff at schools for abuse". :beat:
-
I know.. I realized that too.
Paul
.. or should I say " I realized that two. "
-
To me, it s not about how many teachers have been arrested and charged for sexual or any other type of abuse. It s about the people who reside somehow outside the public and still have not been held accountable for their actions..
Paul
Jeesh how exactly do you reside outside the public.
Figuratively speaking... by operating a program rather then a school.
Paul have you been arrested for all your crimes, my friend.
I certainly don't think so.
Would you care to enlighten me asshole?
Well all of us criminals, ya know like yourself and I, have not been caught for all our crimes. So stop acting like your all that.
:beat: "It's not about arresting teachers/staff at schools for abuse". :beat:
Is that your quote dumb fuck, 'cause I know that I didn t write it. Go back.. take a look.. You ignorant asshole..
You will never know the experience of actually mocking someone within context.. Will you, asshole?
Paul
No my friend you go back and read your posts, I just added in staff because really they are teachers.
You are out of control lill`johnny, go take a vacation on me.
-
Go take a look Danny.. See the magic of context in action.
BTW, it just so happens, I am on vacation, or I wouldn t have time for this shit.
Paul
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
No my friend you go back and read your posts, I just added in staff because really they are teachers. You are out of control lill`johnny, go take a vacation on me.
:jawdrop:
Every time, I think he has reached his stupidest point, he wows me once again.
Paul
-
Go take a look Danny.. See the magic of context in action.
BTW, it just so happens, I am on vacation, or I wouldn t have time for this shit.
Paul
I knew that johnny, Hmmmmmm.......
-
No my friend you go back and read your posts, I just added in staff because really they are teachers. You are out of control lill`johnny, go take a vacation on me.
:jawdrop:
Every time, I think he has reached his stupidest point, he wows me once again.
Paul
Lill johnny, your starting to squeal......
-
Lil Danny, you're an idiot.
Oh... sorry... Let me translate that so you can read it.
Lil Danny, your an idiot.
Paul
-
Go take a look Danny.. See the magic of context in action.
BTW, it just so happens, I am on vacation, or I wouldn t have time for this shit.
Paul
I knew that johnny, Hmmmmmm.......
You did ?!?!?!?
Uh.. Oh... What am I gonna do????
Paul
-
No my friend you go back and read your posts, I just added in staff because really they are teachers.
You are out of control lill`johnny, go take a vacation on me.
Sorry, Danny, I can't find anything in Paul's posts that says that either. It looks like you removed some words from Paul's quote above, rearranged some others, even added one, and then presented it out of context. I'd say this is your quote now.
Paul's quote:
"To me, it s not about how many teachers have been arrested and charged for sexual or any other type of abuse. It s about the people who reside somehow outside the public and still have not been held accountable for their actions.."[/list]
Danny's doctored version:
"It's not about arresting teachers/staff at schools for abuse."[/list][/list]
-
Lill johnny, your starting to squeal......
Lil Danny, you're an idiot.
Oh... sorry... Let me translate that so you can read it.
Lil Danny, your an idiot.
Paul
:on phone: Correction: that would be "lill Danny." · · · · · · · ;)
-
No my friend you go back and read your posts, I just added in staff because really they are teachers.
You are out of control lill`johnny, go take a vacation on me.
Sorry, Danny, I can't find anything in Paul's posts that says that either. It looks like you removed some words from Paul's quote above and then presented it out of context. I'd say this is now your quote.
Paul's quote:
"To me, it s not about how many teachers have been arrested and charged for sexual or any other type of abuse. It s about the people who reside somehow outside the public and still have not been held accountable for their actions.."[/list]
Danny's doctored version:
"It's not about arresting teachers/staff at schools for abuse."[/list][/list]
:eek:
Jeesh lets ask our audience tonight, folks does my version hit the bulleye, HELL YA......
Thank You.....Ursus, you can get off your knees now (slurp! slurp!) :P , lill johnny is all zipped up.
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
Ursus, I hope your okay....
I mean I hope Danny didn t get to you too much with that comment... LOL
And this is the guy who wants to train us in the proper etiquette for adult conversation....
Let me ask ya Danny... are ya pissed that I zipped up, before you got to fondle me?? You warrior, you!
Paul
-
No my friend you go back and read your posts, I just added in staff because really they are teachers.
You are out of control lill`johnny, go take a vacation on me.
Sorry, Danny, I can't find anything in Paul's posts that says that either. It looks like you removed some words from Paul's quote above and then presented it out of context. I'd say this is now your quote.
Paul's quote:
"To me, it s not about how many teachers have been arrested and charged for sexual or any other type of abuse. It s about the people who reside somehow outside the public and still have not been held accountable for their actions.."[/list]
Danny's doctored version:
"It's not about arresting teachers/staff at schools for abuse."[/list][/list]
:eek:
Jeesh lets ask our audience tonight, folks does my version hit the bulleye, HELL YA......
Thank You.....Ursus, you can get off your knees now (slurp! slurp!) :P , lill johnny is all zipped up.
I just can t help but to actually address this, though..
So even when someone puts reality, directly in front of your face, and you actually read it, and understand it......
LOL.. You still go with your version? You are that fucking crazy?
I thought it was funny that you mentioned an audience though. You re thinking about that... Aren t ya, Danny.. Everybody can see you.. This whole exchange is being watched..
There are many people in the world, right now, who when they hear Danny Bennison, think " Dumb Asshole"
You sure have done a good job, Danny.
Paul
-
No my friend you go back and read your posts, I just added in staff because really they are teachers.
You are out of control lill`johnny, go take a vacation on me.
Sorry, Danny, I can't find anything in Paul's posts that says that either. It looks like you removed some words from Paul's quote above, rearranged some others, even added one, and then presented it out of context. I'd say this is your quote now.
Paul's quote:
"To me, it s not about how many teachers have been arrested and charged for sexual or any other type of abuse. It s about the people who reside somehow outside the public and still have not been held accountable for their actions.."[/list]
Danny's doctored version:
"It's not about arresting teachers/staff at schools for abuse."[/list][/list]
Jeesh lets ask our audience tonight, folks does my version hit the bulleye, HELL YA......
Thank You.....Ursus, you can get off your knees now (slurp! slurp!) :P , lill johnny is all zipped up.
Gosh, Danny, I'm not sure I know what you mean. Would ya mind spelling it out a lil more, and being a little less allegorical?
Ya see, I have some difficulty reconciling the intimations of the above, with someone whose self portrait (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28923&p=367697#p367697) apparently includes the following, posted but a few hours ago:
"Can we have a mature debate here without insulting one another, for having opposing views.
Well I am willing to try, so here goes.
Anne if you only knew who I am, believe me you would never confuse me with someone who follows or has black and white thinking.
In business I do have a tendency of seeing thing as black or red, there is no other way and the purple area can get you in a lot of trouble. So I guess this leaks out of my personality at times.
Personally with my family, friends and self I have a laid back approach for the most part.
I am on the periphery of the programs, workshops and others interests I have in regards to helping folks. I do not push, endorse or recruit anyone to do anything. I help where I can.
I allow most folks to have whatever experience they have had in their respective programs, I know over time the experience will have more clarity for them, as it has for me...
Last thing, "I don't turn my will over to anyone either". That's why I have a God. I was introduced to that spiritual lesson from, Old Pastor Herman Hanson, Pastor of the Carolina Free Baptist Church, Carolina R.I. A village of Charlestown R.I. Now, I am not a Baptist and never was (more Catholic growing up) but I do believe there is a God. A Just God who is looking over all of us, wondering when the hell were going to wake up and realize no version of God is better then the next."[/list]
Gee, think those two posts could've been written by the same person? :rofl:
-
No my friend you go back and read your posts, I just added in staff because really they are teachers.
You are out of control lill`johnny, go take a vacation on me.
Sorry, Danny, I can't find anything in Paul's posts that says that either. It looks like you removed some words from Paul's quote above, rearranged some others, even added one, and then presented it out of context. I'd say this is your quote now.
Paul's quote:
"To me, it s not about how many teachers have been arrested and charged for sexual or any other type of abuse. It s about the people who reside somehow outside the public and still have not been held accountable for their actions.."[/list]
Danny's doctored version:
"It's not about arresting teachers/staff at schools for abuse."[/list][/list]
Jeesh lets ask our audience tonight, folks does my version hit the bulleye, HELL YA......
Thank You.....Ursus, you can get off your knees now (slurp! slurp!) :P , lill johnny is all zipped up.
Gosh, Danny, I'm not sure I know what you mean. Would ya mind spelling it out a lil more, and being a little less allegorical?
Ya see, I have some difficulty reconciling the intimations of the above, with someone whose self portrait (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28923&p=367697#p367697) apparently includes the following, posted but a few hours ago:
Jeesh there young fella, I'm sure you will figure it out. Have fun.
-
You told him Danny!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
He's thinking about Maggy, Lisa, and Bart...
-
Speaking of Danny.. where is he?
Don't tell me he wained so soon?
Paul
-
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
-
Danny would probably threaten Dr. Phil , even if it was airing live.
Paul
-
I could be wrong, Joel, but I think Danny has wained for now.. he may come back later, when he figures we are gone, and post some stupid shit.
I know that doesn t really make much sense, but neither does Danny.
Paul
-
http://www.care2.com/causes/civil-right ... c-schools/ (http://www.care2.com/causes/civil-rights/blog/stop-child-abuse-in-public-schools/)
Defend civil-rights
Stop Child Abuse In Public Schools
posted by: Jessica Pieklo 321 days ago
Despite the fact that the use of corporal punishment on students is a violation of international human rights law, a report issued jointly by Human Rights Watch and the ALCU found that corporal punishment is routine in public schools in many parts of the US, and that almost a quarter-of-a-million school children were paddled, thrown to the floor, struck with rulers or other instruments, pinched, and hit as a means of discipline. Of those students subjected to this abuse, a disproportionate amount were students with disabilities, often punished simply for displaying symptoms of that disability. Examples include students with Tourette syndrome physically punished for exhibiting involuntary tics and students with autism physically punished for repetitive behavior such as rocking.
Children are protected from the use of corporal punishment in most US juvenile detention centers and mental health facilities, yet twenty states currently permit the use of corporal punishment in public schools. In states where corporal punishment is allowed, hundreds of school districts make routine use of it. Under human rights law including the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, the UN Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhumane or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, and the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, physical force may only be used against students when it is absolutely necessary to protect a child or others, and even then the minimum amount of force for the shortest amount of time must be used.
Landon K., a six-year-old-boy with autism illustrates that many school districts ignore these mandates. He was paddled on the buttocks by his assistant principal, described by Landon's mother as a "large man--nearly 300 pounds" for simply shouting in class. Michelle R., whose son has Tourette syndrome, finally removed her child from school after he was placed in a closet and repeatedly hit for displaying involuntary tics. The more her son tried to explain that the physical behavior was connected to his disability, the more he was punished for it. In some cases the punishment was so severe the children were hospitalized, suffering injuries comparable to motorcycle accident victims.
The use of corporal punishment, especially on students with disabilities, can cause permanent physical and mental injury. Landon K. became terrified of returning to school and began suffering violent outbursts if approached from behind. Paddling can cause deep bruising, severe muscle injury, hematomas, and hemorrhaging, according to The Society for Adolescent Medicine. Students subjected to paddling and other physical violence also suffer mental stigma from being abused in front of their classmates. All this despite the fact that evidence is conclusive that corporal punishment is ineffective in dealing with even extreme behavioral problems in the classroom.
The findings by Human Rights Watch and the ACLU were based on over 200 interviews conducted between December 2007 and June 2009 with experts and individuals directly affected by corporal punishment, including parents, students, teachers, administrators and special education professionals. It calls for a complete prohibition on the use of corporal punishment against all students in US public schools and offers recommendations to Congress, the Department of Education and local governments, including best practices and a moratorium on corporal punishment against students with disabilities until a full prohibition is achieved. The United States did take one small step closer to rectifying the situation when it signed the U.N. Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, the most comprehensive international treaty on the rights of persons with disabilities in history.
US federal and state governments can uphold children's rights by banning corporal punishment and implementing positive behavioral supports. With appropriate funding, training, and support, educators can create and implement discipline systems that respond to the fundamental needs of even the most vulnerable students. In doing so they can create environments where every student thrives and reaches his or her academic potential--all without raising a single hand in violence.
-
Sunday April 20, 1492 :suicide:
Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests
*for un fucked with version go here>>>>http://http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/apr/10040101.html
Edited by Satan :flame:
co EDITED by Lucifer aka LOUIS SVITEK ::evil::
By Tom Araya and Chris Broderick
WASHINGTON, DC, April 20, 2015 (DETHSiteNews.com) – In the last several weeks such a quantity of ink has been spilled in newspapers across the globe about the priestly sex abuse scandals, that a casual reader might be forgiven for thinking that Catholic priests are the worst and most common perpetrators of child sex abuse. ::OMG::
But according to Charlie DA Shankyou, the researcher of a little-remembered 1647 study prepared for the U.S. Department of nonEducation, "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."
After effectively disappearing from the radar, Shankyou’s study is now being revisited by commentators seeking to restore a sense of proportion to the mainstream coverage of the Church scandal.
According to the 2050 study “the most accurate data available at this time” indicates that “nearly 9.6 percent of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career.”
“Educator sexual misconduct is woefully under-studied,” writes the researcher. “We have scant data on incidence and even less on descriptions of predators and targets. There are many questions that call for answers.“
In an article published on Monday, renowned Catholic commentator George Clooneybin referred to the Shankyou study, and observed that “The sexual and physical abuse of children and young people is a global plague” in which Catholic priests constitute only a small minority of perpetrators.
While "Uncle Al" observes that the findings of Sharlee D' Shankyou’s study do nothing to mitigate the harm caused by priestly abuse, or excuse the “clericalism” and “fideism” that led bishops to ignore the problem, they do point to a gross imbalance in the level of scrutiny given to it, throwing suspicion on the motives of the news outlets that are pouring their resources into digging up decades-old dirt on the Church.
“The narrative that has been constructed is often less about the protection of the young (for whom the Catholic Church is, by empirical measure, the safest environment for young people in America today) than it is about taking the Church down," he writes.
Ozzy observes that priestly sex abuse is “a phenomenon that spiked between the mid-1960s and the mid-1980s but seems to have virtually disappeared,” and that in recent years the Church has gone to great lengths to punish and remove priestly predators and to protect children. The result of these measures is that “six credible cases of clerical sexual abuse in 2009 were reported in the U.S. bishops’ annual audit, in a Church of some 65,000,000 members.”
Despite these facts, however, “the sexual abuse story in the global media is almost entirely a Catholic story, in which the Catholic Church is portrayed as the epicenter of the sexual abuse of the young.”
Outside of the Church, Shankyou is not alone in highlighting the largely unaddressed, and unpublicized problem of child sex abuse in schools. King Kraizer, executive director of the Denver-based Safe Child Program, told the Colorado Gazette in 2008 that school employees commonly ignore laws meant to prevent the sexual abuse of children.
“I see it regularly,” Kraizer said. “There are laws against failing to report, but the law is almost never enforced. Almost never.”
“What typically happens is you’ll have a teacher who’s spending a little too much time in a room with one child with the door shut,” Kraizer explained. “Another teacher sees it and reports it to the principal. The principal calls the suspected teacher in and says ‘Don’t do that,’ instead of contacting child protective services.”
“Before you know it, the teacher is fuckin the student @ home. A whole series of events will unfold, known to other teachers and the principal, and nobody contacts child services before it’s out of control. You see this documented in records after it eventually ends up in court.”
In an editorial last week, The Gazette revisited the testimony of Kraizer in the context of the Church abuse scandal coverage, concluding that “the much larger crisis remains in our public schools today, where children are raped and groped every day in the United States of HELL.”
“The media and others must maintain their watchful eye :eek: on the Catholic Church and other religious institutions,” wrote The Gazette, “But it’s no less tragic when a child gets abused at school.”
In 1912, shortly after the Shankyou study was released, Catholic League President Delbert Duane Williamson of Chicago, who was unavailable for an interview :suicide: :suicide: :suicide: :suicide: for this story, asked, “Where is the media in all this?” ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::)
“Isn’t it news that the number of public school students who have been abused by a school employee is more than 100 times greater than the number of minors who have been abused by priests?” he asked.
“All those reporters, columnists, talking heads, attorneys general, D.A.’s, psychologists and victims groups who were so quick on the draw to get priests have a moral obligation to pursue this issue to the max. If they don’t, they’re a fraud.”
O0
-
Sunday April 20, 1492 :suicide:
Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests
*for un fucked with version go here>>>>http://http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/apr/10040101.html
Edited by Satan :flame:
co EDITED by Lucifer aka LOUIS SVITEK ::evil::
By Tom Araya and Chris Broderick
WASHINGTON, DC, April 20, 2015 (DETHSiteNews.com) – In the last several weeks such a quantity of ink has been spilled in newspapers across the globe about the priestly sex abuse scandals, that a casual reader might be forgiven for thinking that Catholic priests are the worst and most common perpetrators of child sex abuse. ::OMG::
But according to Charlie DA Shankyou, the researcher of a little-remembered 1647 study prepared for the U.S. Department of nonEducation, "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."
After effectively disappearing from the radar, Shankyou’s study is now being revisited by commentators seeking to restore a sense of proportion to the mainstream coverage of the Church scandal.
According to the 2050 study “the most accurate data available at this time” indicates that “nearly 9.6 percent of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career.”
“Educator sexual misconduct is woefully under-studied,” writes the researcher. “We have scant data on incidence and even less on descriptions of predators and targets. There are many questions that call for answers.“
In an article published on Monday, renowned Catholic commentator George Clooneybin referred to the Shankyou study, and observed that “The sexual and physical abuse of children and young people is a global plague” in which Catholic priests constitute only a small minority of perpetrators.
While "Uncle Al" observes that the findings of Sharlee D' Shankyou’s study do nothing to mitigate the harm caused by priestly abuse, or excuse the “clericalism” and “fideism” that led bishops to ignore the problem, they do point to a gross imbalance in the level of scrutiny given to it, throwing suspicion on the motives of the news outlets that are pouring their resources into digging up decades-old dirt on the Church.
“The narrative that has been constructed is often less about the protection of the young (for whom the Catholic Church is, by empirical measure, the safest environment for young people in America today) than it is about taking the Church down," he writes.
Ozzy observes that priestly sex abuse is “a phenomenon that spiked between the mid-1960s and the mid-1980s but seems to have virtually disappeared,” and that in recent years the Church has gone to great lengths to punish and remove priestly predators and to protect children. The result of these measures is that “six credible cases of clerical sexual abuse in 2009 were reported in the U.S. bishops’ annual audit, in a Church of some 65,000,000 members.”
Despite these facts, however, “the sexual abuse story in the global media is almost entirely a Catholic story, in which the Catholic Church is portrayed as the epicenter of the sexual abuse of the young.”
Outside of the Church, Shankyou is not alone in highlighting the largely unaddressed, and unpublicized problem of child sex abuse in schools. King Kraizer, executive director of the Denver-based Safe Child Program, told the Colorado Gazette in 2008 that school employees commonly ignore laws meant to prevent the sexual abuse of children.
“I see it regularly,” Kraizer said. “There are laws against failing to report, but the law is almost never enforced. Almost never.”
“What typically happens is you’ll have a teacher who’s spending a little too much time in a room with one child with the door shut,” Kraizer explained. “Another teacher sees it and reports it to the principal. The principal calls the suspected teacher in and says ‘Don’t do that,’ instead of contacting child protective services.”
“Before you know it, the teacher is fuckin the student @ home. A whole series of events will unfold, known to other teachers and the principal, and nobody contacts child services before it’s out of control. You see this documented in records after it eventually ends up in court.”
In an editorial last week, The Gazette revisited the testimony of Kraizer in the context of the Church abuse scandal coverage, concluding that “the much larger crisis remains in our public schools today, where children are raped and groped every day in the United States of HELL.”
“The media and others must maintain their watchful eye :eek: on the Catholic Church and other religious institutions,” wrote The Gazette, “But it’s no less tragic when a child gets abused at school.”
In 1912, shortly after the Shankyou study was released, Catholic League President Delbert Duane Williamson of Chicago, who was unavailable for an interview :suicide: :suicide: :suicide: :suicide: for this story, asked, “Where is the media in all this?” ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::)
“Isn’t it news that the number of public school students who have been abused by a school employee is more than 100 times greater than the number of minors who have been abused by priests?” he asked.
“All those reporters, columnists, talking heads, attorneys general, D.A.’s, psychologists and victims groups who were so quick on the draw to get priests have a moral obligation to pursue this issue to the max. If they don’t, they’re a fraud.”
O0
Hell of a find Felice... :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: