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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 26, 2009, 01:25:38 AM
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this is not an "annual report"
maybe your unfamiliar with them? they have lots of numbers. where are the numbers?
Open the .pdf file. That is only an excerpt. Calm down, why are you so upset about numbers?
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So wait... does this mean that someone claimed the bounty?
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John Reuben 'Pimps' This 'Hooker' for Child Abuse Cash (http://http://blog.onepearl.com/2008/11/05/saving-teens-in-crisis-collaborative/)
Gotta love these lazy parents...ugh.
One Pearl = One Child Abused. It's a linear relationship.
One step below the Program Pimp is the Program Whore.
STICC and One Pearl must have a child-size coffin business on the side.
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Maybe i'm missing something here. Apart from the circumstantial, what exactly is the proof that this guy is "theWho".
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Maybe i'm missing something here. Apart from the circumstantial, what exactly is the proof that this guy is "theWho".
"It" admits to being Reuben in a thread on the Aspen forum. He mentioned a Who show in Philadelphia, 1973. John Reuben went to Valley Forge Military Academy in PA, and his age at the time jibes with how old the who says he was.
Still. If you read over Who's posts from around Sept. 21, 2008 when Michael Reuben died it does not seem like anything is amiss. Which is kind of scary if he really is Reuben, 'cos that shows a truly desensitized individual.
Even if he isn't the who, this Reuben guy is an ass. The paid death announcements with STICC's web address are worthy of Sue Scheff, and Lon Woodbury's presence on the board speaks for itself. A lot of people think the who is more than one person, and I have to agree after reading the who's first postings and later drivel. There are style changes, one who is prone to being pissy and defensive of Lon Woodbury. Sometimes the who came off as a barely literate.
Maybe STICC is the who and all the board members used "the who" to maintain near constant warfare on Fornits. It would make sense that Lon would take offense at being busted on and log in as the who to defend himself.
What a bunch of pigs in STICC. The who said he had no conflict of interest problems posting on Fornits, and no financial ties to the industry. Lon Woodbury's presence on the board ties STICC to the dirty money. Who wants to set up sticcexposed.com? Every parent who felt sorry for this guy and his paid obits needs to read his postings as the who. His business associates should read his posts, too, to get a better idea of what kind of dude they are dealing with. Obviously he is ashamed of his postings.
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I see why who couldn't use STICC in the web addy, ha, ha, ha.
http://www.sticc.org/pages/home.php (http://www.sticc.org/pages/home.php)
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Maybe i'm missing something here. Apart from the circumstantial, what exactly is the proof that this guy is "theWho".
"It" admits to being Reuben in a thread on the Aspen forum. He mentioned a Who show in Philadelphia, 1973. John Reuben went to Valley Forge Military Academy in PA, and his age at the time jibes with how old the who says he was.
Still. If you read over Who's posts from around Sept. 21, 2008 when Michael Reuben died it does not seem like anything is amiss. Which is kind of scary if he really is Reuben, 'cos that shows a truly desensitized individual.
Even if he isn't the who, this Reuben guy is an ass. The paid death announcements with STICC's web address are worthy of Sue Scheff, and Lon Woodbury's presence on the board speaks for itself. A lot of people think the who is more than one person, and I have to agree after reading the who's first postings and later drivel. There are style changes, one who is prone to being pissy and defensive of Lon Woodbury. Sometimes the who came off as a barely literate.
Maybe STICC is the who and all the board members used "the who" to maintain near constant warfare on Fornits. It would make sense that Lon would take offense at being busted on and log in as the who to defend himself.
What a bunch of pigs in STICC. The who said he had no conflict of interest problems posting on Fornits, and no financial ties to the industry. Lon Woodbury's presence on the board ties STICC to the dirty money. Who wants to set up sticcexposed.com? Every parent who felt sorry for this guy and his paid obits needs to read his postings as the who. His business associates should read his posts, too, to get a better idea of what kind of dude they are dealing with. Obviously he is ashamed of his postings.
what brand of foil do you use to make your hat? fornits obsession is not good for your health.
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Maybe i'm missing something here. Apart from the circumstantial, what exactly is the proof that this guy is "theWho".
"It" admits to being Reuben in a thread on the Aspen forum. He mentioned a Who show in Philadelphia, 1973. John Reuben went to Valley Forge Military Academy in PA, and his age at the time jibes with how old the who says he was.
Still. If you read over Who's posts from around Sept. 21, 2008 when Michael Reuben died it does not seem like anything is amiss. Which is kind of scary if he really is Reuben, 'cos that shows a truly desensitized individual.
Even if he isn't the who, this Reuben guy is an ass. The paid death announcements with STICC's web address are worthy of Sue Scheff, and Lon Woodbury's presence on the board speaks for itself. A lot of people think the who is more than one person, and I have to agree after reading the who's first postings and later drivel. There are style changes, one who is prone to being pissy and defensive of Lon Woodbury. Sometimes the who came off as a barely literate.
Maybe STICC is the who and all the board members used "the who" to maintain near constant warfare on Fornits. It would make sense that Lon would take offense at being busted on and log in as the who to defend himself.
What a bunch of pigs in STICC. The who said he had no conflict of interest problems posting on Fornits, and no financial ties to the industry. Lon Woodbury's presence on the board ties STICC to the dirty money. Who wants to set up sticcexposed.com? Every parent who felt sorry for this guy and his paid obits needs to read his postings as the who. His business associates should read his posts, too, to get a better idea of what kind of dude they are dealing with. Obviously he is ashamed of his postings.
what brand of foil do you use to make your hat? fornits obsession is not good for your health.
I dont think the guy is obsessed with fornits he just seems to be obsessed with finding out thewhos identity. A little over the top I admit, but it is fun to watch.
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I dont think the guy is obsessed with fornits he just seems to be obsessed with finding out thewhos identity. A little over the top I admit, but it is fun to watch.
You oversimplify things. My need to find the who is far more personal. There was a Who show in Philly at the Spectrum in December of 1973. My mom was a fat, pimply troubled teen who drank a bottle of Pepe Lopez and passed out in the back of a Dodge Custom van. One of Mom's friends said anyone wanting intercourse with a passed out fat puta should mount up. Only one desperately horny and physically repulsive teen covered in zits took the offer. A cadet from Valley Forge named Johnny "Circle Jerk" Reuben, a chronic masturbator at 14. Four Colt .45's had given Johnny delusions of being Billie Dee Williams. He came on heavy for the nookie on the nod I would later call "Mom".
The who or John Reuben (or PaPa as I call him) is my father. At least I hope so. I am fucked up like a burning whore house, I could use some programming. Is being 35 going to make it a bitch for me to get some STICC or whatever?
Daddy? Daddy please? Mama's fat sickness has made her a shut-in because she's too wide for the door frames. She still torches for you Johnny. Mama needs you. She needs some bigass diapers too, so if you want to be charitable order us a few gross of 48" x 48" cotton nappies. They gotta be cotton, too. Anything synthetic makes Mama's ass look like your face did in 1973.
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Maybe i'm missing something here. Apart from the circumstantial, what exactly is the proof that this guy is "theWho".
You tell us. You have the data in your grip. Enlighten the rest of us where TheWho is posting from.
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Maybe i'm missing something here. Apart from the circumstantial, what exactly is the proof that this guy is "theWho".
"It" admits to being Reuben in a thread on the Aspen forum.
Link?
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You really don't think it's him, or that John Reuben himself is a disease based on his blind faith in programs despite their 50% failure rate for him? Sudbury is within spitting distance of Newton, MA, too. Reuben loves Aspen and Lon Woodbury. His age, job description and ample free time match thewho. And the bullshit stopped when John Boy's name went up. You have to use deductive reason when no one will verify or deny his identity.
Okay, forget he's the who and we'll dedicate some time to the nefarious activities of John D. Reuben. Dude is aware he's up here. Silence speaks volumes. He's Lon Woodbury's bitch.
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John D. Reuben is a wanna-be EdCon 'who' started a business making referrals to known abusive programs. He has linked up with some of the most familiar bogeymen of the TTI such as Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and many others, like NATSAP and Aspen Education.
John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18. Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.
Eventually Michael Joshua Reuben overdosed on heroin and died due to his father's neglect in his time of need.
John's son Max H. Reuben is also a program veteran, but John declines to say which program.
Please lend your support in researching John's connections to the TTI and those of his firm STICC.
John, if you had followed sound medical advice, Mike would still be with us today. Max, although still living, is deeply scarred by his experiences that you forced him into. Now you want other people to follow your example which leads to psychological destruction or even death. John used paid death notices in newspapers accross the country to draw attention to STICC and to get donations to send other kids to SUWS and ASR, a particularly misguided and disgusting thing to do.
Thank you to Mike's roommate [name withheld] who sought me out to tell Mike's story here and ask us here at Fornits to try to cripple STICC as a referral source to programs that verifiably kill children and are 100% ineffective.
R.I.P., Mike. Your dad let you down, but your friends love you eternally. :peace:
Please add your thoughts to this topic.
We now know Max went to HLA and that John Reuben and Jeff Holloway are tightly connected. John is the driving force behind Jeff's move to Aspen Education.
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John D. Reuben is a wanna-be EdCon 'who' started a business making referrals to known abusive programs. He has linked up with some of the most familiar bogeymen of the TTI such as Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and many others, like NATSAP and Aspen Education.
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Please tell us what you know about Martha Kolbe. I found it very interesting! Is this woman based in Va.?
If so, I'll be in touch to shed light on crazy program and fornits conspiracies.
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It's never so much "a conspiracy" as it is "the same people doing the same things at different places". Only the names and bullshit explanations change. OF COURSE there's continuous ties. An average programmie's resume is going to be a laundry list of cults, but it's really just one: The Program. What else could they possibly do for a living?
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Interesting no responses from Whooter yet, must be busy hanging out in the public bathrooms looking through the peep holes he drilled through the stall walls. Either that or he is digging up someones dead mother and planning on fucking the corpse. :roflmao: You a necrophiliac Whooter? I wouldn't put it past you fella. :rocker:
Once again, Whooter got ROASTED!
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Yes, TheWho personally abused me. And now I'm scarred for life. He performed several red-flag touches on the area my bathing suit covers. I tried to turn him in, but ASR wouldn't let me use the phone and told my parents I was a liar. TheWho molested me.
Wow we really did troll each other!! I thought this one was RobertBruce but I was wrong it was DJ. Those flame threads were fun! lol
Dysfunction Junction has a lot more threads to edit because he missed this one. He will be busy the next few weeks cleaning up his past.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=338417#p338417)
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Here's a list of Whooter's alises (non exhaustive - didn't have time to search every post) from the time period of Spetember 14, 2009 to November 30, 2009, a period of just about 75 days. Think about that before you read the list - only 75 days.
Of course, I could only catch the ones who had been quoted since they were all put under Whooter's user name. I suspect it's probably at least double this amount. None of these include his "TheWho" aliases (there are hundreds) either or the time period between 11/30/09 and 2/1/10 when he was forced to begin logging in. If anyone has any more to add, feel free...
Here we go:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
This averages out to about one alias every two days for Whooter in this time period.
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Here's a list of Whooter's alises (non exhaustive - didn't have time to search every post) from the time period of Spetember 14, 2009 to November 30, 2009, a period of just about 75 days. Think about that before you read the list - only 75 days.
Of course, I could only catch the ones who had been quoted since they were all put under Whooter's user name. I suspect it's probably at least double this amount. None of these include his "TheWho" aliases (there are hundreds) either or the time period between 11/30/09 and 2/1/10 when he was forced to begin logging in. If anyone has any more to add, feel free...
Here we go:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
This averages out to about one alias every two days for Whooter in this time period.
I am not sure they are all mine, DJ, but you have quite a list of your own.
James Dridling
TheWho
Peg Sympsom
Jake Rios
my two sons
Concerned parent
Bill Urban
Elvis
To name a few.
It was happy trolling!! lol
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Here's a list of Whooter's alises (non exhaustive - didn't have time to search every post) from the time period of Spetember 14, 2009 to November 30, 2009, a period of just about 75 days. Think about that before you read the list - only 75 days.
Of course, I could only catch the ones who had been quoted since they were all put under Whooter's user name. I suspect it's probably at least double this amount. None of these include his "TheWho" aliases (there are hundreds) either or the time period between 11/30/09 and 2/1/10 when he was forced to begin logging in. If anyone has any more to add, feel free...
Here we go:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
This averages out to about one alias every two days for Whooter in this time period.
I am not sure they are all mine, DJ, but you have quite a list of your own.
James Dridling
TheWho
Peg Sympsom
Jake Rios
my two sons
Concerned parent
Bill Urban
Elvis
To name a few.
It was happy trolling!! lol
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Here's a list of Whooter's alises (non exhaustive - didn't have time to search every post) from the time period of Spetember 14, 2009 to November 30, 2009, a period of just about 75 days. Think about that before you read the list - only 75 days.
Of course, I could only catch the ones who had been quoted since they were all put under Whooter's user name. I suspect it's probably at least double this amount. None of these include his "TheWho" aliases (there are hundreds) either or the time period between 11/30/09 and 2/1/10 when he was forced to begin logging in. If anyone has any more to add, feel free...
Here we go:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
This averages out to about one alias every two days for Whooter in this time period.
EDITED to add:
MargaretW
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Rudy Bentz
HEAL Online
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Just one little act of "moderation" would quickly get rid of this troll and his 50+ identites he uses here.
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Here we have Whooter derailing an HLA thread pretending to be someone with an "inside source" sending him emails written by Buccellato. Whooter has been a very busy troll.
my inside soure just sent me this one:
From: David Sullivan [mailto:merger.acquisition@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 14:29
To: Len Buccellato; john.raber@lumpkincounty.gov (http://mailto:john.raber@lumpkincounty.gov); clarence.stowers@lumpkincounty.gov (http://mailto:clarence.stowers@lumpkincounty.gov); stan.kelley@lumpkincounty.gov (http://mailto:stan.kelley@lumpkincounty.gov); mclcga@alltel.net (http://mailto:mclcga@alltel.net); maiken@thedahloneganugget.com (http://mailto:maiken@thedahloneganugget.com); sgurr@gainesvilletimes.com (http://mailto:sgurr@gainesvilletimes.com); admissions@hiddenlakeacademy.com (http://mailto:admissions@hiddenlakeacademy.com); steve.proper@lumpkincounty.gov (http://mailto:steve.proper@lumpkincounty.gov); edward.tucker@gsccca.org (http://mailto:edward.tucker@gsccca.org); allison.martin@LumpkinCounty.Gov
Subject: RE: Hidden Lake Fire Investigation (Leaked emails)
Len Buccellato wrote:
We need to plug this hole. I cant tolerate these emails being leaked out. They are showing up on fornits again. I think we are all aware at this point that the first fire didn’t yield enough in insurance MONEY to cover costs. So plan “Bâ€
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Here's the latest update on Whooter's Fornits aliases:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
Rudy Bentz (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28962&start=15#p348150)
Heal Online (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28989&p=348683#p348690)
Margaret Wilson
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Diddle
Robert Hess
Ajax13.
Tom K
Aghast.
Marion
The list keeps growing and growing. Is there no limit to Whooter's duplicity?
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"Red-flag touches" is an old and ongoing Fornits gag, BTW. For a look at a true psycho, check out this list below...
Here's the latest update on Whooter's Fornits aliases:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
Rudy Bentz (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28962&start=15#p348150)
Heal Online (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28989&p=348683#p348690)
Margaret Wilson
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Diddle
Robert Hess
Ajax13.
Tom K
Aghast.
Marion
The list keeps growing and growing. Is there no limit to Whooter's duplicity?
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Funny. I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before. I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.
If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?
That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post. But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...
Live Music Junky
...on John Reuben's MySpace page.
Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):
John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.
"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?
I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced." Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."
Children: I don't want kids
Yeah, no shit. I think we knew that already.
Hometown: Philadelphia
"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?
I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.
I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.
He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.
Malden, eh? I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?
24.41.10.XXX [ 1197 Posts ] [ Look up IP address ]
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IP Address Country Region City Latitude/Longitude ZIP Code Time Zone
24.41.10.XXX UNITED STATES MASSACHUSETTS MALDEN 42.4305-71.0574 02148 -05:00
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IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
1 781 USMA0228 - MALDEN
Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter. It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.
And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address? "Swampscott, MA."
Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?
Catherine Reuben! (http://http://maps.google.com/maps/place?rlz=1T4GGLG_enUS312US312&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=SWAMPSCOTT+%22reuben%22&fb=1&gl=us&hq=reuben&hnear=Swampscott,+MA&cid=526551623140969011)
Just "coincidences" I suppose...?
Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.
Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...
It has been fun, douche, but the game is over. You've been outed for all eternity.
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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter. It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.
I would never give you (or anybody) an IP address, much less permission to post one. The only thing I posted was this, a partial IP address, with Whooter's permission (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=278596#p278562).
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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter. It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.
I would never give you (or anybody) an IP address, much less permission to post one. The only thing I posted was this, a partial IP address, with Whooter's permission (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=278596#p278562).
Right. Nobody is arguing that. As I stated, accurately, "thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter."[/b]
Whooter gave you permission to post those IP addys, you posted them, minus the fourth octet (which is only the node address and can only be one of 254 possible internet appliances - the first three octets is where the money is, psy, you know that), and I verified that those two IP addresses are assigned to Earthlink in Malden and Swampscott. Both places where the Reuben family lives.
Don't get your panties in a knot over it. Whooter told you to do it and by doing so told on himself and revealed his identity. That's his problem. You've known it all along and kept the secret.
TheWho emailed me confirming his identity.
But now it's out there.
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*bumped for educational purposes*
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This 'debate' has really transcended the absurd, hasn't it?
What a waste of everyone's time, including Whooter's.
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*bumped for educational purposes*
Awareness is always good! lol
Yes, TheWho personally abused me. And now I'm scarred for life. He performed several red-flag touches on the area my bathing suit covers. I tried to turn him in, but ASR wouldn't let me use the phone and told my parents I was a liar. TheWho molested me.
Troll Control has a lot more threads to edit because he missed this one. He will be busy the next few weeks cleaning up his past.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=338417#p338417)
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This 'debate' has really transcended the absurd, hasn't it?
What a waste of everyone's time, including Whooter's.
Frodie, why is it every time you don't like a conversation you have to bore us with the same crappie hoog-ma-louse.
If you don't like it, don't read it. Move on with your "bad self'. :rofl: :rofl:
Just my 2 cents.
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This 'debate' has really transcended the absurd, hasn't it?
What a waste of everyone's time, including Whooter's.
Frodie, why is it every time you don't like a conversation you have to bore us with the same crappie hoog-ma-louse.
If you don't like it, don't read it. Move on with your "bad self'. :rofl: :rofl:
Just my 2 cents.
Man, DB.. sometimes you're funny, even when you're chewing me out over something that doesn't matter. :rofl:
Hoog-ma-louse? Wth? :rofl:
That being said, I can't see how you wouldn't agree with the statement you responded to; these arguments are as dead as Elvis, someone's gotta call a spade a spade every once in a while, eh? :lala:
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This item just can't be cleaned up no matter how much Whooter wants to avoid it. Shifting the focus doesn't make this go away now does it?
Funny. I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before. I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.
If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?
That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post. But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...
Live Music Junky
...on John Reuben's MySpace page.
Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):
John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.
"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?
I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced." Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."
Children: I don't want kids
Yeah, no shit. I think we knew that already.
Hometown: Philadelphia
"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?
I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.
I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.
He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.
Malden, eh? I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?
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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter. It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.
And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address? "Swampscott, MA."
Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?
Catherine Reuben! (http://http://maps.google.com/maps/place?rlz=1T4GGLG_enUS312US312&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=SWAMPSCOTT+%22reuben%22&fb=1&gl=us&hq=reuben&hnear=Swampscott,+MA&cid=526551623140969011)
Just "coincidences" I suppose...?
Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.
Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...
It has been fun, douche, but the game is over. You've been outed for all eternity.
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Ha,Ha,Ha
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Awareness is always good! lol
Yes, TheWho personally abused me. And now I'm scarred for life. He performed several red-flag touches on the area my bathing suit covers. I tried to turn him in, but ASR wouldn't let me use the phone and told my parents I was a liar. TheWho molested me.
Troll Control has a lot more threads to edit because he missed this one. He will be busy the next few weeks cleaning up his past.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=338417#p338417)
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I don't find this very funny. Saying people sexually abuse their own children because you lost an argument is just wrong, Whooter. Why woud you do something like that??
I was especially shocked at how you throw around the term "child molester" when you get frustrated that you can't win an argument in a legitimate fashion. Very nasty stuff there, Whooter. Very nasty.
Link to where TheWho admits he is john Reuben (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&hilit=where+he+wanted+to+punch+you+out&start=135#p336867)
John must be too busy enSlavingTeens right now to answer.
Yes, he takes gubmint dollars (your tax dollars) and uses them to imprison youths privately at various quack-holes.
Why is that a crime? They use tax dollars for far worse things than imprisoning youths. At least they are kept safe here. Imagine if they were shipped overseas with private funding where people hate Americans. You would see abuse on a whole new level. All my work stays within the confines of the US borders... no 2nd rate programs.
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Here Whooter confirms his son went to his wife’s funeral. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&hilit=max+went+to+the+funeral&start=180#p338442)
John, why do you send kids to places like HLA where your own child was prevented from visiting his dying mom and not allowed to go to the funeral either? Why should anyone trust you? Please explain yourself.
I would really like to hear this answer.
It says it right here. And many other places.
I did read that one. But how do we know he wasnt allowed to attend the funeral?
Max went to the funeral, no need to worry. They are just trying to make programs look bad. Keep in mind you are on fornits.
How would Whooter know this? Unless, of course, as he previously admitted, he is the kid’s dad.
Here Whooter, posting anonymously until his posts were linked, accuses Ajax13 of being a porn-watching child abuser. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27219&start=105#p344359)
JD, like I said, there's nobody else here but the people trying to communicate about AARC, and you and a couple of AARColytes who have something to hide. Fornits has been useful for the exchange of information, but it's not vital. The Fifth Estate didn't find out about AARC because of Fornits. ISACCorp has been looking at them for years, and the former AARC clients who were subjected to quackery and violations of their rights in AARC are less afraid of AARC than they were in years past. Dangerous freaks like the former AARC staffer who has been harassing women on Fornits for years are coming to the attention of the authorities, and the list of former clients who have killed themselves, or committed violent crimes is growing and drawing attention. I don't have any questions for Dean Vause. He's got a twenty year history of falsely selling himself as a mental health professional and expert in treating adolescent "addiction". I am not interested in hearing what he has to say. AARC's position gets shakier every day, JD, but your son doesn't get any less dead. Pick up that phone and call the live one.
Thank you for updating us. Of course you have no facts as usual to back up what you say and that is why I am here to point these problems out.
anyone can come on here and say "So and so has been pretending to be a doctor for 20 years!!" , "His wife is overweight". The president of Honda motor corp could have weight issues but that doesnt relect on the quality of the automobiles... but you don see that. He may not even have a drivers license. You just dont know how to debate the issues with relevant facts. As long as AARC is effectively treating people and they have an 85% success rate who cares how much people weigh or what their degree is in.
Now go spend some time with your kid. Turn off the porn and let him have a normal childhood for a change. If you read to him he may forget how you abuse him.
And JD, if you are listening, go call your son.
Here Whooter says Ajax13 is molesting his won son. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27219&start=75#p344212) Whooter is obviously a sick freak doing a lot of projection.
JD, since you killed your son, you can't have contact with him at all, moderated or not. Your mania, stupidity, ignorance and laziness seem to be in an epic battle for dominance. Who will win JD? Will your next post be shameful because it's rooted in stupidity, ignorance, laziness or your inability to think rationally when your compulsions are driving you?
why are you obsessed with this JD guy? It isnt going to help you keep your son or erase what you do to him each night. We both know that yet you keep throwing personal attacks at other people hoping the pain will go away.
You are sick Ajax13. Stop molesting and abusing your son. Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family. Its only a forum. Leave your kid in peace.
here Whooter invalidates all who were abused at RTC’s. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24456&hilit=devon&start=15#p301094)
How would you know what a parent thinks, Who? You threw your daughter away to ASR, so you don't have the right to call yourself that anymore, and your continued use of the word is a heavy insult to the real parents reading this forum.
Kinda like the rest of you calling yourself survivors. Surviving what? A cush stay at RTC? Its an insult to people who actually survived something.
Family member Harvard Fellow and EdCon??
You seem to have an explanation for everything.
Hey, not very nice
What is ASR?
Academy at Swift River
Suws is a short wildneress program right?
Yes
Did your daughter graduate?
Yes
Has she ever shared her negative experiences with you in detail?
Well, we have spoken about it quite a bit and she shares her experiences with me. I ask a lot of questions especially after what I have read about here on fornits. I ask her about counselors that she liked and ones she didn’t and why. Has she ever seen anyone severely punished or had food withheld, put into restraints or placed in isolation, forced to disrobe in front of the other students etc. and she looks at me like I have two heads. ASR wasn’t anything even close to what people on here talk about. She enjoys talking about and wonders how some of her friends would have turned out if they had gone there also.
Did you use an educational consultant?
No, I have a family member who specializes in child psychology and children’s issues, is a fellow at Harvard University and he recommended ASR.
Have you made a list of good schools?
No I haven’t
What do you think differentiates the good from the bad?
Wow, I am really not qualified to speak technically about the differences. But I would say the model the school employs. If the school is taking a clinical approach, is listening to the feedback from the graduates and parents and are willing to adjust their rules and make changes based on parental feedback and to continuously evolve then this would be a school I would want to send my child to and would recommend to others.
I would not recommend a school who had guards who beat the kids, placed kids in restraints, forced them to walk around naked, with held food etc. I would not consider these at all for anyone. These schools are a good candidate for regulation.
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In this installment Whooter is back to accusing Ajax13 of sexually abusing his own child. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25628&start=30#p345022) Keep it classy, Whooter.
If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy. There are thousands of them. I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC. The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually. At least mine has some credibility.
As Whooter continues to lose the argument, he continues to post over and over that Ajax13 sexually abuses his own child, even “QFTing” himself saying it, all anonymously, of course.
Here Whooter is posing as an Aspen Ranch “graduate” (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&p=344859#p344859) and telling people not to tell him he’s lying. Well, I guess that makes it believable then? Fail, Whooter. Fail.
I just recently left Aspen Ranch (during the July parent week), graduating as a Rider. I was there for over 16 months! The substance abuse counselor was my primary therapist! I had a lot of problems going there, personal as well as a fucked up family. I've now ben home for 3 months and am doing great. I haven't relapsed or really even considered it.
Aspen was a great place! We didn't get pizza from the local place once a week, but we did get it on parent week and for special occasions. The food wasn't great but it was certainly bearable (and I'm picky!). The staff was AWESOME (most anyways), they were very caring and devoted. There have been MANY changes in staff and rules in the past 6 months there as well, so check it out! Sure I had my rough times, everyone does! I would defenitely recommend it if you're kids having a rough time, but be sure to check it out before to see if you think your kid would be a good fit.
And to whoever posted about seeing kids doing pull-ups with a man with a radio....he was the personal trainer! I was in Personal Training for over a year there and it helped a lot! I've never heard a complaint about PT, kids can sign up for an extra fee through a past navy seal who really pushes you hard! And there's a LONG waiting list.
Thanks, and please no one tell me I'm lying....when I left I was 2nd in seniority out of everyone there at the time! And to those parents who have kids there now...I wouldn't doubt if I knew them!
And a bit later in the thread Whooter poses as a parent with a kid at Aspen Ranch while singing its praises. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&start=120#p344901)
the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.
A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.
I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.
And after he’s called out by another poster he bashes them for calling his phony story “fictitious” which it was, 100% ficticious. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&start=120#p344907)
the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.
A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.
I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.
John Reuben keep your fictitious "accounts" coming.
So fornits has finally reached the point where parents and survivors stories which are not negative are just tossed aside as fictitious. "Lets tighten things up and only allow the battered few thru the door!!!" Ha,Ha,Ha Finally got you to admit it...... its a good first step.
And he goes on further to suggest 99% of survivor stories are fictitious, right after he’s caught phonying up a “success story.” (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&start=135#p344917) You can’t make it up, folks.
It is a good first step that you're finally able to acknowledge those who were battered. The next would be for you to comprehend that that number is far more than a few.
Helpful to that end would be you’re considering the various kinds of injuries caused to children in programs.
Not all are as physical violence. Assaults like rape and battery do happen in programs, as well as imposed stress positions, prolonged physically exhausting exertions (death marches for some) and inadequate or even no proper medical care.
In addition to these injurious violations of children the damages accrued from dehumanizing humiliations and infliction of emotional abuse and destructive thought reform tactics are very real, very pervasive in the TTI, and completely unnecessary to extending guidance to children.
99% of those accounts are fictitious. We all know that the kids are helped at these places.... kids here post to blow off steam, its healthy for them but dont rely on the accuracy of the posts.
Here Whooter admits he sent a son, not a daughter, to a wilderness program. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28642&p=344767#p344767)
Speaking of wilderness programs and sex, it happens all the time... at least when I was there it did. Its not like they handed out condoms so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls go home from wilderness with a whole new set of issues brewing inside them. I never saw a wild tribe like orgy until I was in wilderness, and don't think the staff don't join in. Parents have no idea what happens out there, it was insane.
Thanks guest,I knew it wasnt as bad as people were saying here. The kids do have fun on these trips, I kind of thought that.
Your welcome, my son really liked it and would like to become a counselor some day which has motivated him to study harder.
Whooter admits starting a program referral business while responding to the name “John.” (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&p=348838#p348838)
"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."
John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem. Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem? Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place? Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?
John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"? I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."
This marketing spin makes me nauseous. We're talking about HUMAN BEINGS here, John. I know the conscienceless, like yourself, see children as commodities, but this is WAY out of line. You disgust me, sir.
Of course you are nauseous. That is because you are weak and lack foresight like most people. See the problem is you miss the bigger picture. You think small and think problems can be solved by hugging people. People and kids dont need hugs they need solutions, they need to know someone is in control and can make them feel safe. Most parents jump in and try to save their child by getting involved in their lives. But the truth is it is too late at this point to save them by this approach because they have traveled too far down the path. The parents should have been more involved all along. So instead of taking the road everyone else was taking another option was to start a business around the problem. This way you not only get help for your child but you find you are able to raise money for other kids to be placed and after the smoke settles 2 things occur:
1. It doesn’t cost a dime for treatment and
2. You can actually reverse the flow and have a few coins end up back in your pocket to boot.
You need to always keep a level head and look for opportunity when others are panicking. This is key and is the Hallmark of successful people. Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good. I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation. It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.
As far as trying to find something scientifically proven, that is hogwash. By the time any good set of studies are completed the treatment is outdated and people have moved on to something more "leading edge". Hell they still cant figure out how bees fly but that doesnt prevent us from enjoying the honey.
And he admits that programs aren’t scientifically proven, despite his logged protestations to the contrary.
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Oh No!!! Ha,Ha,Ha
*bumped for educational purposes*
Awareness is always good! lol
Yes, TheWho personally abused me. And now I'm scarred for life. He performed several red-flag touches on the area my bathing suit covers. I tried to turn him in, but ASR wouldn't let me use the phone and told my parents I was a liar. TheWho molested me.
Troll Control has a lot more threads to edit because he missed this one. He will be busy the next few weeks cleaning up his past.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=338417#p338417)
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Yes, I'm afraid the "Oh no"'s are in order here.
If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy. There are thousands of them. I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC. The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually. At least mine has some credibility.
Just because you don't know what you're talking about and get your ass handed to you, you're going to accuse people of raping their own children? That's sick and twisted.
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Oh No!!! educational purposes! Ha,Ha,Ha
zzzzzzzziiiing! lol
*bumped for educational purposes*
Awareness is always good! lol
Yes, TheWho personally abused me. And now I'm scarred for life. He performed several red-flag touches on the area my bathing suit covers. I tried to turn him in, but ASR wouldn't let me use the phone and told my parents I was a liar. TheWho molested me.
Troll Control has a lot more threads to edit because he missed this one. He will be busy the next few weeks cleaning up his past.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=338417#p338417)
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This 'debate' has really transcended the absurd, hasn't it?
What a waste of everyone's time, including Whooter's.
Frodie, why is it every time you don't like a conversation you have to bore us with the same crappie hoog-ma-louse.
If you don't like it, don't read it. Move on with your "bad self'. :rofl: :rofl:
Just my 2 cents.
Man, DB.. sometimes you're funny, even when you're chewing me out over something that doesn't matter. :rofl:
Hoog-ma-louse? Wth? :rofl:
That being said, I can't see how you wouldn't agree with the statement you responded to; these arguments are as dead as Elvis, someone's gotta call a spade a spade every once in a while, eh? :lala:
I was just trying to break up the same ole, Whooter and DJ rant and see if you and I can start one.
UH...I just remembered I have some "honey do" things to do, I'll get back to ya.
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You are sick Ajax13. Stop molesting and abusing your son.
Do the people at STICC know what you do here, Whooter? You throw around a lot of "child rape"accusations when you are frustrated at losing arguments. This, IMHO, is not normal behavior.
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Whooter, everybody lies. What is wrong with you? I lie myself if people are not listening to me or I am trying to get peoples attention on a topic. It doesnt mean that I lie about everything.
Shady, I understand this. But the problem is how can the readers differentiate between your lies and the truth. How do we know what is real or not? This the trouble that posters like yourself pose to us readers.
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http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29342&p=379350#p379350
:rocker: :rofl:
Busted.
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You mean like this? lol
Yes, TheWho personally abused me. And now I'm scarred for life. He performed several red-flag touches on the area my bathing suit covers. I tried to turn him in, but ASR wouldn't let me use the phone and told my parents I was a liar. TheWho molested me.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=338417#p338417)
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John David Reuben, VP of Sales and Marketing
Mr. Reuben manages worldwide sales operations for Correlsense. John Reuben has more than 20 years of sales, operations and management experience at global software and technology companies offering enterprise-level solutions. Prior to joining Correlsense, Mr. Reuben was vice president of sales for Prolify, a Netanya, Israel business process management software developer. He also held the position of vice president of sales and marketing at Kintana, a provider of IT Governance software and helped grow that company from $0-24M in less than three years. He was also a worldwide sales director at Oracle Corporation and founded one of their first application regions. John also held sales and sales management positions at Andersen Consulting, iSpheres, and System Software Associates. He holds a B.A. from the University of Massachusetts. In 2004, John founded Saving Teens In Crisis Collaborative (www.savingteens.org (http://www.savingteens.org)), a non-profit organization formed to assist troubled teens and their families struggling with substance abuse and other emotional issues. John manages this as a volunteer
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" John ". You look look someone that can't be trusted,
And the photo of you sucks, but it is,{ World Wide Web Property}
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"John" on youtube
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If I could " cue in here for a sec," radio talk,lol. John you have had the wolves on your heals, since you came here in Jun of 09, They exposed you and rammed it up your phony ass. Is your " EGO" ::fullofshit:: that big that have the need to prospect negative attention, For gosh sakes you have a talk show for teens, don't they fill you with enough bull-shit there and your foundation, that you would want just the opposite in your life,?? Maybe you should call in and get some help,
Sales and Marketing to saving souls and minds,??? Well I got news for you John, Zig Ziggler, and Tom Hopkins,Joe Gerard and Anthony Robbins, don't do what you do in their spare time I am sure,could be wrong but I doubt it. You don't manage people like software, hot tip, and yes life is all about sales, As much as folks hate salespeople, we are unfortunately all in sales of sorts, Now I know thats deep John, and you and me are probably the only ones here smart enough to know about this, embedded part of all humans, but share with everyone here the paradox I have mentioned and drawn up. And lets see who really should be giving advice to others. My picture is small and easy to figure out. Take a shot at it.
{ Why are all people in sales of sorts and how does it apply to life,??? } You should be able to answer that with no problem, :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... VoZUzKSSHg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fornits.com%2Fphpbb%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D48%26t%3D27903%26hilit%3Dasr%2Bdaughter%2Bdropped%2Bout%26start%3D210&ei=XkeiTIi_Koa6vQP48NHcAw&usg=AFQjCNFGIoxIWkUo-JZpbpPvVoZUzKSSHg)
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"John" on youtube
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Thanks for getting the word out for this guy, Mark. Its a good cause. We are all hoping he reaches his goal.
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Whooter you have yet to respond to my last post or answer my question.
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"John" on youtube
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... BgSU2avG-g (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=11&ved=0CBEQFjAAOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.techbites.com%2F201008122958%2Fmyblog%2Fblog%2Fz0022-thought-provoking-beans-saving-teens-in-crisis.html&ei=pkWiTKvsMtKHnQfknKSIBA&usg=AFQjCNEterGFDaeDmAVR6b7mBgSU2avG-g)
You can't force addicts to change. All you can do is force them to comply. The real change comes from within and that, unfortunately, includes them dealing with the natural consequences of their choices, which is removed when you put them in a program, especially one as isolating and loaded with LGATs as the Aspen programs are. The more you try and force the change, the worse and harder you make it for the addict to even want to change. You're doing a great disservice to addicts by assisting other parents in putting them into the very programs that quite obviously didn't help your son.
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Wow, so this is what it has come too. I have to say I feel very victorious here. The best you can do is call my mom a crackwhore? Whooter, your pathetic. Really. You could at least have the balls to not do it anonymously. Pussy.