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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Antigen on October 03, 2003, 03:16:00 PM
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I've gotten a request for a LIFE/GT forum so I've edited the title and description of this existing forum.
Have at it, folks! If I am of the opinion that it is inexpedient to assign to the government the task of operating railroads, hotels, or mines, I am not an "enemy of the state" any more than I can be called an enemy of sulfuric acid because I am of the opinion that, useful though it may be for many purposes, it is not suitable either for drinking, or for washing one's hands.
Ludwig Von Mises
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But I'm a ward of the state and protected by laws of this state and I've got lawyers and personal fidicuiarys and guardians and the fucking national guard and the godamned police. Try to sue me.............You can't. Nobody can. And I've got a VA man representative and a godamned whole member of the VA on the president's cabinet that watch's my ass too. My united nation's right to smoke cigarettes is protected also. :smokin:
Real criminals walk free every day to rape, rob, and murder again because the courts are so busy finding consensual criminals guilty of hurting no one but themselves.... To free cells for consensual criminals, real criminals are put on the street every day.
Peter McWilliams
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To you that means NAMI. you can find it nami.org My profile and involvement is under "Elliot Ness"You got any questions go there. Antigen is a fuck up and will make you play "the Game" just like in Straight Inc.
The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.
--Albert Einstein, My First Impression of the U.S.A., 1921
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Suck m y cock
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The reason this forum (LIFE / Growing Together) doesn't have much "life" in it, is because it was a successful program, and most people there got something out of it and have lived their life pretty fully since. Only a few dejects have posted here, that are still bitter of their teen age rights being violated --- oh brother.
Straightlings seem to think ALL programs were as bad as Straight. Not so.
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On 2004-10-02 20:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The reason this forum (LIFE / Growing Together) doesn't have much "life" in it, is because it was a successful program, and most people there got something out of it and have lived their life pretty fully since. Only a few dejects have posted here, that are still bitter of their teen age rights being violated --- oh brother.
Straightlings seem to think ALL programs were as bad as Straight. Not so. "
You're right. I went through LIFE and it was fine. Helped me with a few different things. Still have a few friends from those days too.
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Key Word: FEW :rofl:
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As I understand it, LIFE was a whole lot milder than Straight at first. After awhile, though, Peterman got out of hand again, the community knew what they were looking at and pretty quickly shut them down.
The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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On 2004-10-03 09:02:00, Antigen wrote:
"As I understand it, LIFE was a whole lot milder than Straight at first. After awhile, though, Peterman got out of hand again, the community knew what they were looking at and pretty quickly shut them down. The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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Actually, the community did not "shut them down", and Peterman left a WHILE prior to it's (LIFE) selling out to Venice hospital. I was around for this.
A new Executive Director hired (Darlene something) started spending $ left and right, and the program ran out of funds, therefor having to sell out to Venice hopsital --believe that was '93. Peterman retired late '91 or early '92.
Another instance of someone who WASN'T there making assumptions as to what happened.
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On 2004-10-03 09:02:00, Antigen wrote:
"As I understand it, LIFE was a whole lot milder than Straight at first. After awhile, though, Peterman got out of hand again, the community knew what they were looking at and pretty quickly shut them down. The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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"pretty quickly shut them down"??? The Life program opened in 1980. It closed (sold out to another facilty and went defunct) in 1993. Count. That's 13 YEARS. What a FAST shut down. lol :lol:
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They all sucked, I spent time in both. Bitch, get your head out of your brainwashed asshole and grow up. LIFE sucked big time. Ms. Pete was a fucking cunt and so was anyone that worked there.
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On 2004-10-04 05:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"They all sucked, I spent time in both. Bitch, get your head out of your brainwashed asshole and grow up. LIFE sucked big time. Ms. Pete was a fucking cunt and so was anyone that worked there."
How eloquently put. You've obviously matured and developed into a fine adult. Congratualtions on your wonderful attitude and impressive vocabulary.
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Ms. Pete is a cunt - she stood around and watched while I got the shit beat out of me when I tried to leave on my 18th b-day. Yes, I have matured - 25 years of growing up. That is what helped me and probably helped you too. When I was sick and crapped in my pants, she woulen't let me change my clothes for almost 10 hours. She said it was an attention game. SO she may be Gladys nightengale (sp) to you, but to me. . . well you know.
And, if you can't understand why I feel this way then you are a goober.
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Yes, Peterman was TOUGH, but I'm sure you weren't placed in a PROGRAM for your outstanding leadership as a young adult!
AS for the crapping in your pants - yuck. I was never denied using the bathroom, NOR was anyone else I ever witnessed at LIFE. Have you seen a Dr. about that??
I think you should admit you are powerless over your NASTY attitude and language, and come to believe a power greater than yourself can restore you to sanity. I did -- 20 or so years ago, and I'm a pretty happy person these days.
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It was a fucking joke. Right down to the staff that were there by courts and the fuckover by the Reagons and MS. Pete. It was a bunch of pussies. I escaped there easily several times, but nobody dared bring that to the groups attention. :smokin: Later I watched their Documentary from an ALF and couldn't belive these people even belived their own shit.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy (1917-63), U.S. Democratic politician, president. Speech, 13 March 1962, the White House.
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Do I have a nasty attitude toward Helen Peterman? Yes; Hell Yes! To answer your questions, no, I don't see the-rapists. I've had about all the "help" I can stand from the mental health profession thank you. My crimes prior to straight? I smoked some grass, made C's in school, and skipped school about 3 days until I was put in straight. Big Deal. Besides, that's not the point. Many children that were in straight and LIFE had severe problmes, emotional, mental and somem even had drug problems. Many had no problems, except controling parents. My problem was my parents were control freaks that beat the crap out of me as a child for doing bad things like spilling my milk at the supper table (That is another story). What ever the child's "problmem" was (if there was one), didn't derserve the type of treatment they received. The food rationing, water rationing, bathroom rationing, etc was not theraputic at all. Getting tossed around by my oldcomers and others didn't help with anything. Straight/LIFE did far more damage to most people in the long run than it ever did good.
Sorry you find my language offensive. I can get over the top with anger sometimes. You see, Ms. Pete was an adult. Miller Newton was an adult. We were children. They knew better.
And that "I'm powerless" thinking is a bunch of crap.
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On 2004-10-05 18:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
Yes, Peterman was TOUGH, but I'm sure you weren't placed in a PROGRAM for your outstanding leadership as a young adult!
And yet, you're wrong. Leadership and self posession were exactly what got me onto front row. See, I never had a drug problem. I just had a mother who fell, hook line and sinker, for The Seed when I was only about 6 years old. 4/5 of my older brothers and sisters went through The Seed. All addicts but the two of us? No, just that I was too young and my oldest sister was already in college on her own student loan and could not be coerced.
The Seed wasn't taking unwilling minors by the time I turned into a teenager so I wound up at Straight. So I thought it was safe enough to tell my mom I really didn't buy into her religion enough to become a formal member of the church. If I had it to do all over again, I would have gone ahead and lied and taken the oath and avoided her highly unpleasant flight of fancy.
I remember kids in Straight as young as 11 or 12 who were there for their "druggie attitudes" picked up from their older brothers and sisters.
I do believe that LIFE was a lot more laid back than Straight, though. I went to school w/ a couple of LIFEers. They could wear makeup and jewelry and be friends w/ non-LIFEers, including us. But we were forbidden to associate w/ them.
But it's still, essentially, the same program and it still boils down to coerced thought reform to treat mostly imaginary conditions. We should both be thankful we didn't fall under Miller Newton's direct control. He went all Jim Jonesey w/ the KIDS programs. But that doesn't mean that no one is hurt by the brainwashing. It's a brutal, dehumanizing process no matter how you slice it. Helen Petermen was a part of that, sometimes a very active "hands on" participant, going all the way back to the days of The Seed. I can't imagine that she somehow changed her spots and quit being a judgmental, sanctimonious sadist when she switched jobs and went to work for George Ross.
The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture
is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin
to understand me?
--O'Brien to Winston Smith
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I second that. My United Nations Rights gave me permission to smoke cigarettes too. When I go back to the VA they refused to give me any meds because I was "doing so well". HA! Gave me a 40 hour week job at recrecation at the VA and I hit the bottle. It was a vounteer job too. I just had nobody, AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp. August 7: Began to separate the Male from the Female at Do - rather too late.
George Washington (Diary)
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Damn Straight, I'm about ready to go back to Dale Mabry strip clubs and just find some pretty girls to just hang out with. Either that, or go back to MPH and see all te pretty nurses, aides, and sitters. They were good. They were saints. :smokin:
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
--Unanimous
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And YOU kitten and your pagan nazism is nothing but Talmudism with a real twisted reality :smokin:
If you think yourself too wise to involve
yourself in government, you will be governed
by those too foolish to govern.
--Plato
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Interesting story Kitten, but you see it doesn't matter where you are in the world, if you get led into captivity and don't agree with your adversaries you'll probably always stay in a guilded cage of some kind. They make cages in all shapes and sizes. :smokin:
Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.
--James Madison
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I'll have to agree on that screw the hurches in the secular world too...dotto. But my Bible says Jesus did not come to send peace, but a sword.
As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying me so much money. What's important is that you continue to do so.
--Hunter S. Thompson's Samoan Attorney
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On 2004-10-09 02:21:00, Capt. America wrote:
"I'll have to agree on that screw the hurches in the secular world too...dotto. But my Bible says Jesus did not come to send peace, but a sword.As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying me so much money. What's important is that you continue to do so.
--Hunter S. Thompson's Samoan Attorney
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WHAT on God's green earth are you guys talking about??? Man- some of you are STILL on some major drugs, huh?
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Jesus smoked Flax bitch, and St. Luke was a doctor too.........dumbass :rofl:
I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie
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Oh you don't like that answer either? Well, Labratory rats cause cancer. :lol:
... and the group leader was a clown.
GregFL
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Well Life supporter? Where are you?????
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On 2004-10-09 21:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-10-09 02:21:00, Capt. America wrote:
"I'll have to agree on that screw the hurches in the secular world too...dotto. But my Bible says Jesus did not come to send peace, but a sword.As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying me so much money. What's important is that you continue to do so.
--Hunter S. Thompson's Samoan Attorney
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WHAT on God's green earth are you guys talking about??? Man- some of you are STILL on some major drugs, huh?"
No, not all of us. But there are some that tend to kill any credibility.
Speaking of "killing", when is Idiot season, anyway? ::armed::
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WELL? Gee, guess you can't defend LIFE, cause it has no defense. What a joke. LIFE/Helen Peterinhermouth - can't wait till that bitch dies. I'll empty my bowels on her grave. :wave:
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On 2004-10-11 10:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"WELL? Gee, guess you can't defend LIFE, cause it has no defense. What a joke. LIFE/Helen Peterinhermouth - can't wait till that bitch dies. I'll empty my bowels on her grave. :wave: "
:roll: Well, if that's what's going to do it for you - I hope it's cathartic. However, there are many more following in Helen's footsteps... and their damage is here and now.
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On 2004-10-10 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well Life supporter? Where are you?????"
Oh, I'm here ... occassionally reading your vile posts and wondering what it must be like to belong to a group of people that congregate on such a site. All the commen interest is victims and horrible attitudes and revenge on the brain. Wow. What a way to live. (unless you really ARE 15 yr old's - like your posts and language suggests).
Funny how you think EVERYONE had an AWFUL experience in one of these programs (or that they're brainwashed). Ain't true. Deal with it. It was valuable to me, and relevent to my life today (which is pretty darn good. I AM blessed).
In fact, I can't think of ANYWHERE on the Internet to go and "cuss" and "spew" about how awful life has treated me (now OR then).
Oh... and I'm in touch with many mentioned here from the program. If you ONLY knew what I knew! ROLF!!!!!
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On 2004-10-11 19:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-10-10 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well Life supporter? Where are you?????"
(unless you really ARE 15 yr old's - like your posts and language suggests).
Well, I've read your "language". Your spelling and grammar are suggestive that... you must be what... thirteen??
Frankly, most of us could form better sentence structure when were were eight, but , anyway...
Your rosy retrospection is really remarkable. Perhaps you care to elaborate on what a great time you had?
:roll: [ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-10-11 19:49 ]
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On 2004-10-11 19:41:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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On 2004-10-11 19:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-10-10 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well Life supporter? Where are you?????"
(unless you really ARE 15 yr old's - like your posts and language suggests).
Well, I've read your "language". Your spelling and grammar are suggestive that... you must be what... thirteen??
Frankly, most of us could form better sentence structure when were were eight, but , anyway...
Your rosy retrospection is really remarkable. Perhaps you care to elaborate on what a great time you had?
:roll: [ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-10-11 19:49 ]"
Ok Lisa (aka Sara)... want to give me some examples of my poor sentence structure, or "13 yr old language" ?? Not that your opionion of my english or gammer really matters, but I AM curious as to what you're referring to.
My POINT about the juvenile language was the cursing all over this site, and immature threats. Sorry you couldn't figure that out for yourself.
As for the "great time" I had in a program -- not what I said. Counseling/treatment is not meant to be FUN, and it's NOT. It's hard. It's tough. It's emotional, and full of a wide range of emotions, but the END result CAN be VERY beneficial IF one works on themself. I happen to be someone who DID. I went from skipping school, drinking heavily, and making "F's" to perfect attendance and HONOR ROLL (after missing 3 months of my 11th grade year). I was able to identify my feelings MUCH better, and DEAL with them and build a solid self-esteem, instead of being a follower of the "in" crowd at school, and constantly making poor choices for myself.
I graduated the program and high school within a few months of each other, feeling AWESOME, and enjoying LIFE. I remember going to graduation rehearsal and listening for my "best druggie friend's" name, not to be called. I later found out she dropped out, and didn't graduate.
I was enjoying going to 7-Step social functions like dances, Prom and camp-outs. THOSE ARE very fun memories!
So... hope that answers your question. No- didn't want to be there at first. HATED looking at myself and the things I was doing... but NEEDED to, and did. And I'm better off today because of it!
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Ok Lisa (aka Sara)... want to give me some examples of my poor sentence structure, or "13 yr old language" ?? Not that your opionion of my english or gammer really matters, but I AM curious as to what you're referring to.
You know it's funny, this is at least the second time you've addressed me as "Lisa", while you hide under that bag. This sounds a lot like you, Trevor.
So you want examples? In the instant example, we have your inability to spell COMMON (commen?) or GRAMMAR (grammer?) or RELEVANT (relevent?)... Well, at least you have a rudimentary concept of phonics. Having been a college instructor, I haven't seen such a stream misspelling running so rampant outside of high school. Your sentence, "All the commen interest is victims and horrible attitudes and revenge on the brain", is barely comprehensible. The common interest is ABOUT victims, and I would love for you to show me a post where someone says they want revenge on brains.
Yes, the common interest is ABOUT VICTIMS - and believe it or not, you're one of them. Just because you don't believe it, and you subscribe to, and not question the torture you were subjected to, doesn't mean it didn't happen. The people here who hold this interest want to protect the world from the treatment you so believe in, and ultimately, from people like you who believe in it. I pity your children.
My POINT about the juvenile language was the cursing all over this site, and immature threats. Sorry you couldn't figure that out for yourself.
And most of us either ADAPT, ACCEPT or IGNORE. It's a choice. Oh I forgot... the PROGRAM doesn't teach you that.
Let's have a song.
As for the "great time" I had in a program -- not what I said. Counseling/treatment is not meant to be FUN, and it's NOT. It's hard. It's tough. It's emotional, and full of a wide range of emotions, but the END result CAN be VERY beneficial IF one works on themself. I happen to be someone who DID. I went from skipping school, drinking heavily, and making "F's" to perfect attendance and HONOR ROLL (after missing 3 months of my 11th grade year). I was able to identify my feelings MUCH better, and DEAL with them and build a solid self-esteem, instead of being a follower of the "in" crowd at school, and constantly making poor choices for myself.
I graduated the program and high school within a few months of each other, feeling AWESOME, and enjoying LIFE. I remember going to graduation rehearsal and listening for my "best druggie friend's" name, not to be called. I later found out she dropped out, and didn't graduate.
I was enjoying going to 7-Step social functions like dances, Prom and camp-outs. THOSE ARE very fun memories!
So... hope that answers your question. No- didn't want to be there at first. HATED looking at myself and the things I was doing... but NEEDED to, and did. And I'm better off today because of it!"
Fine. You believe you needed it. You know what? Maybe you did. Maybe you're one of such fuck-ups for whom the only way of normalcy is torture. Maybe, in some sick way, you enjoyed it. So WHAT are you doing here? Why not hang out with Kelly, Blanco, West and DeClue?
What is it? Not much action in that camp? Maybe it's YOU that doesn't have much of a life?
[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-10-12 18:48 ]
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Sara/Lisa -
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the good laugh (your reply). (Oh- and who is Trevor?) After reading many other posts on this site, I'm not the LEAST bit worried about my capitolization, punctuation, grammar issues.
As for being a VICTIM... nope, not me... that's YOUR pride ad glory (pathetic as it is). Many should STOP "playing the victim" ...
Isn't time to stop feeling or acting the victim because of what might have happened to you in your past? As long as you live in the past and have an "oh poor me" attitude you will NEVER be able to move forward. You are in CONTROL of your life NOW! You get to decide and take responsibility for your actions. Not the people that might have done you an injustice. Not the people that couldn't give you what you wanted or needed. Not the people that might have given you too much or too little. Not the people that have hurt you in some way. If you feel you are lacking something in your life then just visit any shelter, without judgement, and just see what lack really is. What do you have that you can give to others?
Grow up, take responsibility and take CONTROL of your life...PLEASE!
And as for working to rid the world of these programs??? Ummm... I don't think whining and complaining on a message baord online it is gonna do it. If you want to DO something, than why not be pro-active and come up with a BETTER solution!
Anyway --- no need to pity MY children. Let's just hope to GOD YOU don't have any! :wave:
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On 2004-10-13 15:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sara/Lisa -
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the good laugh (your reply). (Oh- and who is Trevor?)
After reading many other posts on this site, I'm not the LEAST bit worried about my
capitolization, punctuation, grammar issues.
Yeah, well, as I said before -- if you don't mind the inability to form a coherent sentence, neither do I.
However, if you're the same one that told me not to not to even try to match "intelligence" with you, then it's you who's making me laugh my ass off!
I'm guessing Lisa must have had quite an impact on you. No matter... call me whatever you want. It is curious though.
... and no, I don't give a rat's ass what your name is -- you could be Helen Petermann in the proverbial flesh -- so what? You sure sound like TK to me.
As for being a VICTIM... nope, not me... that's YOUR pride ad glory (pathetic as it
is). Many should STOP "playing the victim" ...
Isn't time to stop feeling or acting the victim because of what might have happened
to you in your past? As long as you live in the past and have an "oh poor me" attitude you
will NEVER be able to move forward. You are in CONTROL of your life NOW! You get to decide
and take responsibility for your actions. Not the people that might have done you an
injustice. Not the people that couldn't give you what you wanted or needed. Not the people
that might have given you too much or too little. Not the people that have hurt you in some
way. If you feel you are lacking something in your life then just visit any shelter, without
judgement, and just see what lack really is. What do you have that you can give to others?
Grow up, take responsibility and take CONTROL of your life...PLEASE!
If you're addressing me personally, you could not be more off the mark. In saying that, you might want examples to refute you. I don't need to tell you what I do for a living, what I do for fun, how many friends I have, how many homes I own, or what I've got in the bank. But I will tell you this -- I've been in control of my life since before you had the chance to kiss Helen's ass ... BECAUSE I never kissed Helen's ass.
What's PATHETIC is that you attribute your success with a "Program". I can
attribute my success to the brain I was born with in spite of "The Program".
And as for working to rid the world of these programs??? Ummm... I don't think whining
and complaining on a message baord online it is gonna do it. If you want to DO something,
than why not be pro-active and come up with a BETTER solution!
Why don't you stick to something you actually know about... like your cubicle and your minivan with a DFAF sticker on the back. You'll be too worried about your mortgage, your portfolio, and if your grass is higher than your neighbor's when the real action starts. Yeah, it's an assumption on my part -- but at the rate you've been talking out of your ass, I've got a hell of a long way to go to catch up.
Anyway --- no need to pity MY children. Let's just hope to GOD YOU don't have any!
:wave:
I can see why you'd hope I don't have children -- they think and act for themselves. They go way beyond simple "functioning" without programming. These kids could be playing basketball, soccer and hanging out with your kids. Scary, isn't it?
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So, I'm not perfect... I forgot to log in.
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On 2004-10-13 20:04:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
"So, I'm not perfect... I forgot to log in."
WHAT???? You're not PERFECT???? Paaaaalleeaaazzzzzeeeeeee... get OVER yourself already lol :idea:
Ain't it funny how she picks apart each section of a post. A bit neurotic, I'd say.
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Sara 1984
Frequent poster
Joined: 2003-07-21
Posts: 192
From: LIFE Sarasota - 1984
Helen Petermann
Posted: 2004-06-08 18:14:00
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Sara quotes:
On 2004-06-08 07:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
" 2/21/87 --- 8/17/87"
Saras replies:
Here Lies LIFE - Rest in a billion pieces
(Is that were you were going with that?)
Previous posts show your remarkable intellect (thinking LIFE was open for 6 months total).
Please tell us more INSTRUCTOR. May I follow your lead? LOL
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Previous posts show your remarkable intellect (thinking LIFE was open for 6 months total).
Please tell us more INSTRUCTOR. May I follow your lead? LOL
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No, I doubt you could keep up.
You're calling me neurotic, while you go and dig up an inconsequential post, made months ago, in an entirely different context than what you dreamed up.
Man, Ginger...where'd the red herring go??
I suppose this will do:
:wstupid:
As for your adolescent pissing match -- you're on your own.
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Sara, I think your great. Keep up the good work!!!
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you DO realize that when you put the I'M WITH STUPID emotocon, you pointed it right up to your own name. First thing you've done that's accurate.
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I'm sure that when your mom signed your life away, you felt that it was accurate though, right?
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:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
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Sara Rocks!!!!!
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yeah, your own mother?
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On 2004-10-16 00:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm sure that when your mom signed your life away, you felt that it was accurate though, right?"
Well, my mom didn't sign my life away, I also signed... and it SUCKED - BIG TIME ... however, YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT ---so you DEAL with it (if your smart). Which is what I did.
Good God. You give kids whatever they want in life growing up, and what do you end up with?? A spoiled, inconsiderate MONSTER and non-functioning adult. Tahnk god they didn't let me continue to screw up my future. We are still very close today.
Sorry some of you want to wallow in your bitterness, and remain stuck in your adolesence and it's drama. I didn't, so I did what I needed, made some GOOD changes where I needed, and live life pretty happily now.
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On 2004-10-16 00:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sara Rocks!!!!!"
lol... what do you wanna bet Sara posted this one!
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just a quick FYI: and I'm not trying to start a which was worse pissing contest...I was in LIFE from 1985-1988 and no ..... no make up was allowed...BELIEVE ME...lol....I looked like crap...almost like a grey skin tone from no sun...anyway when on 4th phase and sent to school we werent allowed to talk to anyone BUT LIFERS...it was pretty strange...I mean I didnt do it for long till I was put on a no-phase but anyway,,,,,just wanted to through my _______ in
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On 2004-10-16 18:38:00, GypSeA wrote:
"just a quick FYI: and I'm not trying to start a which was worse pissing contest...I was in LIFE from 1985-1988 and no ..... no make up was allowed...BELIEVE ME...lol....I looked like crap...almost like a grey skin tone from no sun...anyway when on 4th phase and sent to school we werent allowed to talk to anyone BUT LIFERS...it was pretty strange...I mean I didnt do it for long till I was put on a no-phase but anyway,,,,,just wanted to through my _______ in"
Christi Hagadorn? That you??
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Too Funny! Sara, you are cracking me up.
Anon, Why are you afraid to state your identity?
How long ago did you graduate the program?
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your damn skippy!!!!!!
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On 2004-10-16 19:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-10-16 18:38:00, GypSeA wrote:
"just a quick FYI: and I'm not trying to start a which was worse pissing contest...I was in LIFE from 1985-1988 and no ..... no make up was allowed...BELIEVE ME...lol....I looked like crap...almost like a grey skin tone from no sun...anyway when on 4th phase and sent to school we werent allowed to talk to anyone BUT LIFERS...it was pretty strange...I mean I didnt do it for long till I was put on a no-phase but anyway,,,,,just wanted to through my _______ in"
Christi Hagadorn? That you??"
Funny how your anonymous .. but flag my name out there.......::::::shrugs:::::
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Wow - "LIFE" has life? Who knew? :roll:
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On 2004-10-16 18:38:00, GypSeA wrote:
"just a quick FYI: and I'm not trying to start a which was worse pissing contest...I was in LIFE from 1985-1988 and no ..... no make up was allowed...BELIEVE ME...lol....I looked like crap...almost like a grey skin tone from no sun...anyway when on 4th phase and sent to school we werent allowed to talk to anyone BUT LIFERS...it was pretty strange...I mean I didnt do it for long till I was put on a no-phase but anyway,,,,,just wanted to through my _______ in"
We all looked like shit. I don't know about you, but if you broke it down, an outsider would swear that we were powerless over lipstick, and that was our gateway into harder stuff... for the girls anyway... for the guys it was probably upturned collars, and spiky hair.
Another thing: Why were guys allowed to shave and girls weren't?
Christ, (I don't know if things changed when you were there), but, the stupidest "rule" I ever heard was that we were not allowed to use "Buf Puffs"... the abrasive, wash cloth alternative exfoliators that would take the shit out of your pores so that they could breathe and prevent pimples. Buf-Puffs were considered "cosmetic".
I know I always came out looking like a streetwalker after using a Buf-Puff... how 'bout you?
Oh shit!!! :scared: Looks like I slit my wrists again trying to shave my legs and underarms. I'll be back in 72 hours.
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Well, my mom didn't sign my life away, I also signed... and it SUCKED - BIG TIME ... however, YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT ---so you DEAL with it (if your smart).
How old were you when you signed your name? If you were under 18, there is not now, nor one statute that existed then that would have validated your signature on a contract.
What would have happened if your parents would have chosen to pull you out? Do you think your signature would have trumped your parent's?
Yeah, if you wanted to stay, you certainly wouldn't have gotten what you wanted.
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Another thing: Why were guys allowed to shave and girls weren't?
hmmmmm.....never thought about it..but your right.....However, I do remember that I had to cut the hair under my arms w/ scissors before I shaved it...eWwWwwWWwwwww
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On 2004-10-18 19:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Another thing: Why were guys allowed to shave and girls weren't?
hmmmmm.....never thought about it..but your right.....However, I do remember that I had to cut the hair under my arms w/ scissors before I shaved it...eWwWwwWWwwwww"
Well, it couldn't have been a vanity thing. If so, then every guy in there should have been sporting the "unaltered" look, just like the females.
Hippocracy at it's finest... still alive today, folks! ::bangin::
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about our teenage rights, i guess you were not put in a rez during the hrs investigation, sat in a chair and told to keep your fucking mouth shut. or told to lie about being abused when 7 power hungry teenage boys beat your head in the floor while you were being restrianed..glad your experience was so pleasant, you must have been staff or m ::kma:: rs. petes butt puppet.
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were you sucking mrs pete's dick or something, you had to be a freakin staff member or maybe a fraud. i saw several boys and girls mess their pants from being denied to use the bathroom by the dickheads standing at the end of the pew. my life turned out ok, sure, but am i still bitter? fuck ya! i would never sugjest a cult such as the life program to any parent of a teenager. the only thing good from that program were the good friends who were in the same hell as me. and for you to make fun of that person who crapped their pants and then sit in it for ten hours plus deal with the humiliation of it all(which is a thousand times greater when your a kid)then your a sick fuck and i really question the fact that you said you were there. maybe you were a sibling and think you know shit but you dont so fuck off.
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The great pleasure in life is doing
what people say you cannot do..walter baghot..if you dont want to slip dont go where its slippery..Mrs. Petermann.[ This Message was edited by: rez1990 on 2005-05-30 18:02 ]
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you tell me if you walked into a room with crazy eyed children flapping their arms, vomit, spit, feces, urine and blood everywhere.
tell me.
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Basketball, Im not sure what you mean.....I did see kids mess their pants and flap their arms
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On 2004-10-03 09:02:00, Antigen wrote:
"As I understand it, LIFE was a whole lot milder than Straight at first. After awhile, though, Peterman got out of hand again, the community knew what they were looking at and pretty quickly shut them down. The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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Actually, the community did not "shut them down", and Peterman left a WHILE prior to it's (LIFE) selling out to Venice hospital. I was around for this.
A new Executive Director hired (Darlene something) started spending $ left and right, and the program ran out of funds, therefor having to sell out to Venice hopsital --believe that was '93. Peterman retired late '91 or early '92.
Another instance of someone who WASN'T there making assumptions as to what happened.
They are called "Host Homes" or "Oldcommer Homes",and they are no different than the ones from Straight.Lots of the people who were in LIFE came from the Straight.
I was in both LIFE and Straight.
It was the same staff members.
It was the same rules.
It was the same intake procedure.
It was the same mind fuck.
It was the same bad food.
It was the same belt looping.
It was the same oldcommer watching you in the toilet.
It was the same unprofessional "peer" staff members.
It was the same complete lack of medical attention.
It was the same deprivation of attending school,telephone,reading,speaking.
It was the same arm twisting.
It was the same long hours sitting in group,but on wooden church pews.
It was the same as Straight
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Do I have a nasty attitude toward Helen Peterman? Yes; Hell Yes! To answer your questions, no, I don't see the-rapists. I've had about all the "help" I can stand from the mental health profession thank you. My crimes prior to straight? I smoked some grass, made C's in school, and skipped school about 3 days until I was put in straight. Big Deal. Besides, that's not the point. Many children that were in straight and LIFE had severe problmes, emotional, mental and somem even had drug problems. Many had no problems, except controling parents. My problem was my parents were control freaks that beat the crap out of me as a child for doing bad things like spilling my milk at the supper table (That is another story). What ever the child's "problmem" was (if there was one), didn't derserve the type of treatment they received. The food rationing, water rationing, bathroom rationing, etc was not theraputic at all. Getting tossed around by my oldcomers and others didn't help with anything. Straight/LIFE did far more damage to most people in the long run than it ever did good.
Sorry you find my language offensive. I can get over the top with anger sometimes. You see, Ms. Pete was an adult. Miller Newton was an adult. We were children. They knew better.
And that "I'm powerless" thinking is a bunch of crap.
Mike Sherman aka KPickle you 7stepping piece of shit.
You are still victimizing people.
You paid for and maintained a billboard with a toll free number so you could victimize people like me when we made the mistake of telephoning you and meeting you in person.
If you dont get and stay off of this board like you promised Im going to put a shotgun blast up your ugly assed wifes cunt and beat you until you shit in your pants again,then Im going to make you sit in it for ten days while you are locked in a car trunk with your wifes guts.
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Do I have a nasty attitude toward Helen Peterman? Yes; Hell Yes! To answer your questions, no, I don't see the-rapists. I've had about all the "help" I can stand from the mental health profession thank you. My crimes prior to straight? I smoked some grass, made C's in school, and skipped school about 3 days until I was put in straight. Big Deal. Besides, that's not the point. Many children that were in straight and LIFE had severe problmes, emotional, mental and somem even had drug problems. Many had no problems, except controling parents. My problem was my parents were control freaks that beat the crap out of me as a child for doing bad things like spilling my milk at the supper table (That is another story). What ever the child's "problmem" was (if there was one), didn't derserve the type of treatment they received. The food rationing, water rationing, bathroom rationing, etc was not theraputic at all. Getting tossed around by my oldcomers and others didn't help with anything. Straight/LIFE did far more damage to most people in the long run than it ever did good.
Sorry you find my language offensive. I can get over the top with anger sometimes. You see, Ms. Pete was an adult. Miller Newton was an adult. We were children. They knew better.
And that "I'm powerless" thinking is a bunch of crap.
Mike Sherman aka KPickle you 7stepping piece of shit.
You are still victimizing people.
You paid for and maintained a billboard with a toll free number so you could victimize people like me when we made the mistake of telephoning you and meeting you in person.
If you dont get and stay off of this board like you promised Im going to put a shotgun blast up your ugly assed wifes cunt and beat you until you shit in your pants again,then Im going to make you sit in it for ten days while you are locked in a car trunk with your wifes guts.
Nelson, if you don't stop threatening people on this board, I may be forced to come out of hiding and put a beat-down on your ass.
I know right where you are, redneck asshole so just step down.
kthxby
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gt was beyond torture - many suicides prove that fact.
the pedaphiles who ran that place will suffer eternally in hell for the most vicious crimes i have ever witnessed and endured.
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gt was beyond torture - many suicides prove that fact.
the pedaphiles who ran that place will suffer eternally in hell for the most vicious crimes i have ever witnessed and endured.
fuck that there is no hell let's torture them while they are still ALIVE!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
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OMG.... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
yes............ Lets torture them while they are still alive.
I'm doing my part, getting the information out there at least to destroy their reputation, what else can we do.
i want them in a room where i can scream in their face about what BS they are all about - then wait till they mess their pants and laugh at them. oh well, it would be a small start and the tiniest of fractions of what us survivors went through.
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you tell me if you walked into a room with crazy eyed children flapping their arms, vomit, spit, feces, urine and blood everywhere.
tell me.
omg WHAT THE HELL were you doing in my bedroom last night! Damn! :x :x :x
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OMG.... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
yes............ Lets torture them while they are still alive.
I'm doing my part, getting the information out there at least to destroy their reputation, what else can we do.
i want them in a room where i can scream in their face about what BS they are all about - then wait till they mess their pants and laugh at them. oh well, it would be a small start and the tiniest of fractions of what us survivors went through.
oh no no that is no good! first it must be at least 7 TIMES as bad as what they did. 2nd they are turned on by such things. gotta think far darker than that. this is to punish them not make US feel better! if it were about me i'd just chop them up into little pieces and eat them.
oh shit i did it again! i gotta stop posting stuff that I hear in my head. DAMN! :cry2:
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OMG.... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
yes............ Lets torture them while they are still alive.
I'm doing my part, getting the information out there at least to destroy their reputation, what else can we do.
i want them in a room where i can scream in their face about what BS they are all about - then wait till they mess their pants and laugh at them. oh well, it would be a small start and the tiniest of fractions of what us survivors went through.
Helen R Petermann
2412 SE 20th Cir
Ocala,Florida 34471
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Do I have a nasty attitude toward Helen Peterman? Yes; Hell Yes! To answer your questions, no, I don't see the-rapists. I've had about all the "help" I can stand from the mental health profession thank you. My crimes prior to straight? I smoked some grass, made C's in school, and skipped school about 3 days until I was put in straight. Big Deal. Besides, that's not the point. Many children that were in straight and LIFE had severe problmes, emotional, mental and somem even had drug problems. Many had no problems, except controling parents. My problem was my parents were control freaks that beat the crap out of me as a child for doing bad things like spilling my milk at the supper table (That is another story). What ever the child's "problmem" was (if there was one), didn't derserve the type of treatment they received. The food rationing, water rationing, bathroom rationing, etc was not theraputic at all. Getting tossed around by my oldcomers and others didn't help with anything. Straight/LIFE did far more damage to most people in the long run than it ever did good.
Sorry you find my language offensive. I can get over the top with anger sometimes. You see, Ms. Pete was an adult. Miller Newton was an adult. We were children. They knew better.
And that "I'm powerless" thinking is a bunch of crap.
Mike Sherman aka KPickle you 7stepping piece of shit.
You are still victimizing people.
You paid for and maintained a billboard with a toll free number so you could victimize people like me when we made the mistake of telephoning you and meeting you in person.
If you dont get and stay off of this board like you promised Im going to put a shotgun blast up your ugly assed wifes cunt and beat you until you shit in your pants again,then Im going to make you sit in it for ten days while you are locked in a car trunk with your wifes guts.
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YOU are very funny
i like it !
no................. I LOVE it.
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OMG.... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
yes............ Lets torture them while they are still alive.
I'm doing my part, getting the information out there at least to destroy their reputation, what else can we do.
i want them in a room where i can scream in their face about what BS they are all about - then wait till they mess their pants and laugh at them. oh well, it would be a small start and the tiniest of fractions of what us survivors went through.
Helen R Petermann
2412 SE 20th Cir
Ocala,Florida 34471
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Do I have a nasty attitude toward Helen Peterman? Yes; Hell Yes! To answer your questions, no, I don't see the-rapists. I've had about all the "help" I can stand from the mental health profession thank you. My crimes prior to straight? I smoked some grass, made C's in school, and skipped school about 3 days until I was put in straight. Big Deal. Besides, that's not the point. Many children that were in straight and LIFE had severe problmes, emotional, mental and somem even had drug problems. Many had no problems, except controling parents. My problem was my parents were control freaks that beat the crap out of me as a child for doing bad things like spilling my milk at the supper table (That is another story). What ever the child's "problmem" was (if there was one), didn't derserve the type of treatment they received. The food rationing, water rationing, bathroom rationing, etc was not theraputic at all. Getting tossed around by my oldcomers and others didn't help with anything. Straight/LIFE did far more damage to most people in the long run than it ever did good.
Sorry you find my language offensive. I can get over the top with anger sometimes. You see, Ms. Pete was an adult. Miller Newton was an adult. We were children. They knew better.
And that "I'm powerless" thinking is a bunch of crap.
Mike Sherman aka KPickle you 7stepping piece of shit.
You are still victimizing people.
You paid for and maintained a billboard with a toll free number so you could victimize people like me when we made the mistake of telephoning you and meeting you in person.
If you dont get and stay off of this board like you promised Im going to put a shotgun blast up your ugly assed wifes cunt and beat you until you shit in your pants again,then Im going to make you sit in it for ten days while you are locked in a car trunk with your wifes guts.
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:nworthy:
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Do I have a nasty attitude toward Helen Peterman? Yes; Hell Yes! To answer your questions, no, I don't see the-rapists. I've had about all the "help" I can stand from the mental health profession thank you. My crimes prior to straight? I smoked some grass, made C's in school, and skipped school about 3 days until I was put in straight. Big Deal. Besides, that's not the point. Many children that were in straight and LIFE had severe problmes, emotional, mental and somem even had drug problems. Many had no problems, except controling parents. My problem was my parents were control freaks that beat the crap out of me as a child for doing bad things like spilling my milk at the supper table (That is another story). What ever the child's "problmem" was (if there was one), didn't derserve the type of treatment they received. The food rationing, water rationing, bathroom rationing, etc was not theraputic at all. Getting tossed around by my oldcomers and others didn't help with anything. Straight/LIFE did far more damage to most people in the long run than it ever did good.
Sorry you find my language offensive. I can get over the top with anger sometimes. You see, Ms. Pete was an adult. Miller Newton was an adult. We were children. They knew better.
And that "I'm powerless" thinking is a bunch of crap.
Mike Sherman aka KPickle you 7stepping piece of shit.
You are still victimizing people.
You paid for and maintained a billboard with a toll free number so you could victimize people like me when we made the mistake of telephoning you and meeting you in person.
If you dont get and stay off of this board like you promised Im going to put a shotgun blast up your ugly assed wifes cunt and beat you until you shit in your pants again,then Im going to make you sit in it for ten days while you are locked in a car trunk with your wifes guts.
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:exclaim:
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Do I have a nasty attitude toward Helen Peterman? Yes; Hell Yes! To answer your questions, no, I don't see the-rapists. I've had about all the "help" I can stand from the mental health profession thank you. My crimes prior to straight? I smoked some grass, made C's in school, and skipped school about 3 days until I was put in straight. Big Deal. Besides, that's not the point. Many children that were in straight and LIFE had severe problmes, emotional, mental and somem even had drug problems. Many had no problems, except controling parents. My problem was my parents were control freaks that beat the crap out of me as a child for doing bad things like spilling my milk at the supper table (That is another story). What ever the child's "problmem" was (if there was one), didn't derserve the type of treatment they received. The food rationing, water rationing, bathroom rationing, etc was not theraputic at all. Getting tossed around by my oldcomers and others didn't help with anything. Straight/LIFE did far more damage to most people in the long run than it ever did good.
Sorry you find my language offensive. I can get over the top with anger sometimes. You see, Ms. Pete was an adult. Miller Newton was an adult. We were children. They knew better.
And that "I'm powerless" thinking is a bunch of crap.
Mike Sherman aka KPickle you 7stepping piece of shit.
You are still victimizing people.
You paid for and maintained a billboard with a toll free number so you could victimize people like me when we made the mistake of telephoning you and meeting you in person.
If you dont get and stay off of this board like you promised Im going to put a shotgun blast up your ugly assed wifes cunt and beat you until you shit in your pants again,then Im going to make you sit in it for ten days while you are locked in a car trunk with your wifes guts.
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Yes,Mike Sherman aka Kpickle is 10% victim,and 90% abuser.
Fuck you Mikey!