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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Aspen Education Group => Topic started by: Oscar on October 03, 2010, 03:13:38 AM
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DHS, Mount Bachelor Academy Settle Case (http://http://www.ktvz.com/news/25258065/detail.html), DHS Stands By Investigation; New School Eyed on Site, By Barney Lerten, KTVZ, October 2, 2010
If you have money and lawyers enough you can run state authorities over. HR 911 - despite its flaws - has not been more needed than now. It seems that it takes federal authorities and their ressources to stand up against organizations working across statelines and with massive ressources behind them.
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Oscar, I'm going have to disagree with you regarding the H.R. 911 part. The federal authorities were called on this one, and DHS had DOJ back=up. This is an extraordinarily depressing article. I'm not saying H.R. 911 wouldn't make things better in other states, but Oregon is not one of them. The only difference that I can tell is that H.R. 911 would stop parents from waving their children's rights vis a vis communication. But what good is allowing youth that communication if the authorities let programs off the hook.
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On a good note, I think we can all agree that it is a relief to know that these kids were not abused at MBA and that the truth came out. I think the down side is that the kids in programs took a serious hit on their credibility. Once again a group of kids were caught lying about being abused and now the next time a child is abused the DHS will probably hesitate and not take action against the program right away because they were fooled and embarrassed with false allegations with the MBA case.
Lying and embellishing stories of abuse within programs with the intent of hurting the program only results in putting future kids at risk and eroding their credibility.
An important lesson here on fornits is to not jump to conclusions and wait for the investigation to be completed. We have seen here many times that the program is blamed for harming a child while the completed investigation proves otherwise.
"It is gratifying to see the settlement in which DHS admits what we parents knew all along - the state caused a completely unecessary disruption of a unique and successful school community by acting precipitiously and without gathering all of the facts first," Povich told NewsChannel 21.
"The state went off half-cocked," Povich added. "I hope especially that this settlement will mean that no other school will be subjected in the future to similar callous treatment by DHS."
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I would be careful what claims I make about this case and the circumstances surrounding this settlement. The original substantiated claims didn't come just from a few students with exaggerated stories. It came from interviews with staff as well. Even supporters of the school claim that Lifesteps happened.
In all seriousness, this has the smell of a mob racketeering case falling apart due to witness intimidation. It happens all of the time. We know Aspen brought their lawyers in. We know DHS were being helped by the DOJ.
What we can agree on is whatever actually happened at MBA, and I'll let the public record speak for itself, this is a win for the industry and a blow to any youth who is actually being abused in a program.
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What we can agree on is whatever actually happened at MBA, and I'll let the public record speak for itself, this is a win for the industry and a blow to any youth who is actually being abused in a program.
I think we can agree here. The youth in Oregon, at least, have been placed in a much more vulnerable position. I think in hindsight the DHS should not have moved so quickly on shutting MBA down and spent more time gathering facts. Aspen is probably in a position to recoup a boat load of cash from the state that they lost in income and damage to their name. Not to mention all the kids who lost the benefit of getting the help they needed.
It will be interesting to see how the investigation concludes and if they will retain the name "Mount Bachelor Academy". That name may be considered tarnished at this point.
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"In addition, MBA agrees that DHS had a reasonable basis to investigate the allegations of abuse and neglect and to seek corrective actions. Mount Bachelor Academy is closed and, by all accounts, will remain closed.
What MBA agreed to so DHS could save face with the youth who brought the complaints.
Finally, the school and its parent corporations, as well as Ms. Bitz will dismiss all related legal actions.
The real reason why DHS settled.
Therapeutic Boarding Schools provide valuable programs and services to children and families in Oregon, and we are fortunate to have laws and rules in place that allow the state to regulate the health and safety of youth in these schools."
What MBA extracted from DHS so that they could renew their marketing campaign
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It will be interesting to see how the investigation concludes and if they will retain the name "Mount Bachelor Academy". That name may be considered tarnished at this point.
I think you meant "god caught", but otherwise, you're probably right about that. I would highly doubt that they would keep their name considering the amount of bad publicity surrounding their "LifeSteps". I mean i've used the school as an example time and time again. My guess is they won't even stop practicing LifeSteps. They'll probably just rename it something else.
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It will be interesting to see how the investigation concludes and if they will retain the name "Mount Bachelor Academy". That name may be considered tarnished at this point.
I think you meant "god caught", but otherwise, you're probably right about that. I would highly doubt that they would keep their name considering the amount of bad publicity surrounding their "LifeSteps". I mean i've used the school as an example time and time again. My guess is they won't even stop practicing LifeSteps. They'll probably just rename it something else.
I submitted a few names that I thought they would like.
I thought maybe something with a nice ring to it. Something the parents could pronounce and make it seem like their children were in a upperclass boarding school when speaking with their friends. Also a name which will give Aspen a legal advantage if they need to defend themselves in court again.
La femme de chambre Habiller Academy
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It will be interesting to see how the investigation concludes and if they will retain the name "Mount Bachelor Academy". That name may be considered tarnished at this point.
Which is exactly what happened with Straight. And you guys keep asking why we compare programs of yesteryear to the ones today. It's because basically the same things are going on.
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MBA acknowledged that, based on the evidence available to DHS on November 2, 2009, the agency had reasonable cause to believe that abuse or neglect occurred at the school, as uncovered in the investigation.
In addition, MBA agrees that DHS had a reasonable basis to investigate the allegations of abuse and neglect and to seek corrective actions.
There is nothing where any of this points to "kids made up abuse." It is explicit that MBA admitted the investigation was proper and abuse was found and corrective action was required. To say otherwise is simply false.
Abuse was found and MBA was closed for it. Nothing has changed except apparently a couple of lawsuits were filed and dropped.
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It will be interesting to see how the investigation concludes and if they will retain the name "Mount Bachelor Academy". That name may be considered tarnished at this point.
I think you meant "god caught", but otherwise, you're probably right about that. I would highly doubt that they would keep their name considering the amount of bad publicity surrounding their "LifeSteps". I mean i've used the school as an example time and time again. My guess is they won't even stop practicing LifeSteps. They'll probably just rename it something else.
Actually, in this case, the state found that after being barred from using LifeSteps from previous state investigations MBA continued to practice them with a different name, but identical process. So, that already happened, Psy.
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If a child comes forward and says they were abused at a program then all parties agree that warrants reasonable cause to investigate. Aspen agrees that the state had reasonable cause to investigate also. No one is refuting this.
Now that the investigation has been completed they realize that no abuse occurred.
“The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.â€
Link (http://http://www.ktvz.com/news/25258065/detail.html)
I think we can all agree that DHS admits that they have the childrens best interest in mind. So they wouldnt ignore children being abused in their state and walk away.
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If a child comes forward and says they were abused at a program then all parties agree that warrants reasonable cause to investigate. Aspen agrees that the state had reasonable cause to investigate also. No one is refuting this.
Now that the investigation has been completed they realize that no abuse occurred.
“The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.â€
Link (http://http://www.ktvz.com/news/25258065/detail.html)
I think we can all agree that DHS admits that they have the childrens best interest in mind. So they wouldnt ignore children being abused in their state and walk away.
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A little context is in order:
"A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:" should precede the misleading quote from last post.
Whooter opines that this statement means abuse allegations were false, but what it actually says is that the state did not review evidence claiming what happened was not abuse, but nowhere does this statement say or imply that the kids who reported abuse were lying or that the state did not uncover rampant abuse - they did.
The state believed them, investigated and MBA was closed for abusing kids. Then MBA sued the state, and probably agreed to pay a massive undisclosed fine in exchange for the state softening the charges.
This is legal spin from the party who was caught abusing kids and got exposed for it. This statement by AEG's PR team is damage control only.
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I do understand that you have a vested interest for the DHS to move forward with their investigation and report. When MBA was closed you jump the gun. I cautioned you that we should wait until the investigation is over. Now that it is over and charges have been dropped you are trying to save face and I understand that DJ.
If at some future date the DHS decides to move forward again or declares that children were abused by MAB in Oregon then your leap of faith will be justified. But until then the DHS has backed down and admitted no abuse occurred at MBA.
"It is gratifying to see the settlement in which DHS admits what we parents knew all along - the state caused a completely unecessary disruption of a unique and successful school community by acting precipitiously and without gathering all of the facts first," Povich told NewsChannel 21.
"The state went off half-cocked," Povich added. "I hope especially that this settlement will mean that no other school will be subjected in the future to similar callous treatment by DHS."
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"It is gratifying to see the settlement in which DHS admits what we parents knew all along - the state caused a completely unecessary disruption of a unique and successful school community by acting precipitiously and without gathering all of the facts first," Povich told NewsChannel 21.
"The state went off half-cocked," Povich added. "I hope especially that this settlement will mean that no other school will be subjected in the future to similar callous treatment by DHS."
Who is Povich?
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Anne, Povich is a program partent whose kid was sent home from MBA after it was closed for abuse.
@Whooter - In other words, you have no documentation showing that "DHS found no abuse." Just posting what a program parent and AEG's president say do not an admission or finding of fact make, sorry.
When you produce a copy of the settlement,in its entirety, then we can look at that. Right now all we have is AEG's admission that DHS had probable cause to investigate and that MBA did not dispute the findings of abuse. All we have is a civil case closed with undisclosed terms and some spin from the party caught abusing kids.
So go ahead and post the settlement agreement and we can pick this up there. Otherwise, you're just making up your own "facts" with nothing to back them up. We're patient. Post those docs and we'll have a look.
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Anne, Povich is a program partent whose kid was sent home from MBA after it was closed for abuse.
That's what I figured. Ya gotta admit.....Whooter's the king of spin.
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Well, I don't accept those tall tales he spins as facts. I will agree with him once he provides the source documents from the settlement that he alleges to be quoting, but isn't. So he will post those docs when he has them and until then he is just weaving a yarn, like so many times before, along with AEG and a lone program parent.
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Well, I don't accept those tall tales he spins as facts.
Oh, neither do I!! But gullible parents do, which was my point.
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Just keep asking for the settlement documents that he claims to be quoting from and when he fails to produce any we can all accurately conclude he just made it up like just about everything else he posts here.
He doesn't have any documents to support his suppositions and he knows that so he will just keep posting the AEG statement and calling it a "fact" while he tries to attack people who are asking for actual evidence. He knows he's dead in the water already.
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Again, same shit - different wrapper. The Seed closed down and Straight was supposed to be the 'kinder, gentler' version, though it ended up even more abusive (at least under Newton's control). Then when Straight and Newton were run out of town, he just changed the name but the methods were identical (I know this because I had a step-sister that followed Newton up to NJ to start KIDS). Then I think it became Pathway, but there could have been another name in between them. I've lost track there were so many, but they all used the same methods.
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The article I linked to is what we all have to go with at this point. I really do understand your positions and past personal investment in wanting a negative outcome for MBA, but it looks like it is not going in that direction at this point.
I think there is one area where we can all agree and that is: The important thing is that the people get to view the information and judge for themselves without a lot of filtering.
Link (http://http://www.ktvz.com/news/25258065/detail.html)
Here is Aspens statement at the end of the article:
A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:
We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.
As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.
Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.
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Once more, you only present the biased statement of AEG's president. Do you really expect people to believe that statement as representative of the facts? Until such a time you can provide the settlement agreement you can save your opinions for the opinion page.
Readers want facts not your spin on what another spinner is saying.
I have no connection to MBA nor have I ever had any connection, so trying to characterize my motivations is just more spin on top of spin and just tactit admission you have no evidence to support your specious claims.
Clearly you have no facts or documents, so we'll just have to wait until you provide them. Right now all we have is the state's substantiated abuse cases for which MBA was shuttered. I have seen zero refutation of those facts.
Let's see that settlement agreement, Whooter. Not presenting it is the same as admitting you have no facts, so that's where we all are until you can actually provide evidence to support AEG's and your assertions. You have no facts and are continuously admitting it.
Show us the legal document in which DHS claims "there was never any abuse at MBA" as you claim they admitted.
This:
Now that the investigation has been completed they realize that no abuse occurred.
...is an awfully sweeping claim to be made with zero evidence. I think this is why people here view your posts with suspicion. You never have any evidence to support your claims and then just attack people for asking for the evidence you claim to have.
I'll be waiting patiently for you to post the settlement agreement or withdraw your obviously specious claim above. Please, no more personal attacks, just evidence.
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DHS investigation :bs:
Priceless....these people make an ART out of abusing everyone.
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The article I linked to is what we all have to go with at this point. I really do understand your positions and past personal investment in wanting a negative outcome for MBA, but it looks like it is not going in that direction at this point.
I don't want a negative outcome. I'd love to find a program that truly is helpful but nobody seems to want to name any here, except your shilling for Aspen for financial reasons.
A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:
We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.
As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.
Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.
A statement from the President of Aspen Ed doesn't really lend too much credibility. Ya think he might have just a bit of bias?
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DHS investigation :bs:
Priceless....these people make an ART out of abusing everyone.
I agree with you here, Felice. I think more harm was done to the kids of Oregon by DHS jumping the gun and claiming abuse had occurred before the investigation was completed. Now every-time a child claims to have been abused at a program they will be more cautious and may not take it as serious.
Now that DHS has reversed their decision and found no abuse occurred after yelling "wolf" the kids are placed more at risk in my opinion.
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Nobody cried wolf, the program's money and power protected them, as usual.
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A statement from the President of Aspen Ed doesn't really lend too much credibility. Ya think he might have just a bit of bias?
Absolutely, Anne, we all do. You have your bias because of your negative experience, DHS has their bias to protect their agency. I am biased because I had a successful outcome. Aspen is biased because they are trying to protect their business.
But we just need to consider everyone's point of view and understand where their opinion and information comes from. Remember the book list that Antigen use to have. It was a biased list. There were no pro-program or moderate reading there. Doesnt make her a bad person or a supplier of mis information. Its just biased because that is what she wanted people to read.
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Now that DHS has reversed their decision and found no abuse occurred...
I see this poster still repeating this claim without any evidence. Do you have an official statement from DHS that says that "no abuse occurred" or is this just made up? It looks made up to me. There's no documentation that even remotely approaches this statement. That, IMHO, is a big hit on this poster's credibility. It looks like s/he is trying intentionally to pull off some sort of scam.
Is there some financial motive for this poster to keep repeating this obvious falsehood with no proof?
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Nobody cried wolf, the program's money and power protected them, as usual.
Thats a good point and I think you are partially correct, ShadyAcres. It appears from DHS's statement that Aspen had filed suit against them and the state of Oregon upon review of the evidence decided that they would not win so they had to back down. If DHS had a smoking gun of some type that abuse had occurred they would have proceeded with their movement against Aspen and MBA.
If they felt the children of Oregon were put at risk or were abused they would have proceeded in the childs best interest but that turned out not to be the case so DHS has dropped the charges and Aspen may be free to reopen again.
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Which "DHS statement" is that? I don't see any link or evidence that DHS ever had this deliberation or made this commentary. Their comments do say that their original actions were justified though.
This poster seems to have an interest in putting words in DHS's mouth. They never said any of those things. They're made up by the poster. I see s/he has dropped the earlier factless assertion that "DHS admitted no abuse occurred." That one was a whopper, too.
Is there some sort of financial motive for this poster to keep making up these "DHS statements" that never happened?
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Nobody cried wolf, the program's money and power protected them, as usual.
Thats a good point and I think you are partially correct, ShadyAcres. It appears from DHS's statement that Aspen had filed suit against them and the state of Oregon upon review of the evidence decided that they would not win so they had to back down. If DHS had a smoking gun of some type that abuse had occurred they would have proceeded with their movement against Aspen and MBA.
If they felt the children of Oregon were put at risk or were abused they would have proceeded in the childs best interest but that turned out not to be the case so DHS has dropped the charges and Aspen may be free to reopen again.
This is exactly what I mean by spin. You know damn well that's not what Shady was talking about but you twist it to fit your agenda.
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Nobody cried wolf, the program's money and power protected them, as usual.
Thats a good point and I think you are partially correct, ShadyAcres. It appears from DHS's statement that Aspen had filed suit against them and the state of Oregon upon review of the evidence decided that they would not win so they had to back down. If DHS had a smoking gun of some type that abuse had occurred they would have proceeded with their movement against Aspen and MBA.
If they felt the children of Oregon were put at risk or were abused they would have proceeded in the childs best interest but that turned out not to be the case so DHS has dropped the charges and Aspen may be free to reopen again.
This is exactly what I mean by spin. You know damn well that's not what Shady was talking about but you twist it to fit your agenda.
I dont agree, I said "Partially correct" and indicated that Aspens money and power "helped" push this to resolution. DHS backed down from the lawsuits.
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Not to mention that the "spin" you cite, Anne, is 100% fabricated and comes with no documentation. Couldn't forget to point that out here.
I have seen no evidence to support anything other than some charges were dropped and some were modified. "Modified" still means "MBA was proven to be doing wrong" and expressly shows that DHS did not "drop all the charges" as this poster keeps saying without any factual attribution.
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I have seen no evidence to support anything other than some charges were dropped and some were modified. "Modified" still means "MBA was proven to be doing wrong" and expressly shows that DHS did not "drop all the charges" as this poster keeps saying without any factual attribution.
Exactly, DJ, I think this is an area where we can agree on. There were a few less serious charges brought against MBA which DHS can still move forward on if they choose, but the serious charges have been dropped and in return Aspen as dropped their lawsuits against the State. If Aspen wants to reopen again in Oregon then I would assume they will need to resolve those issues first.
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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Again, I don't see any factual basis for those claims. Is there a list of what charges were dropped and which ones were modified? "Modified" could mean there was a minor charge that was elevated to a higher charge. For all we know, MBA admitted that staff gang-raped kids and those charges were "modified upward" and they could have dropped some extememly inconsequential paperwork infractions.
Is there some reason this poster keeps minimizing or outright fabricating this information with no citations or facts to back them up? Is there some financial interest for this poster in Aspen Education Group? Sure seems that way.
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I hope the children weren't used as leverage against the State of Oregon. That would be a damn shame.
No I don think they were. This was all handled by the lawyers. Aspen filed multiple lawsuits against the State of Oregon and the Lawyers for the State of Oregon looked at the evidence at the conclusion of the investigation and found that there was not enough evidence to sustain a defense. The DHS acted too quickly before they looked at all the evidence. DHS modified their complaint and Aspen dropped their lawsuits. Fairly cut and dried.
As an aside I think that this will hurt the kids in the long run,Though, because future allegations may not be reacted on or taken as seriously now.
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So, finally we have come full circle. After making many outlandish, factless comments about DHS and their "statements" this poster has dropped all of his/her previous assertions about "no abuse" being found at MBA and "DHS realizing there was no abuse" etc.
We must be patient with people that have strong financial motivations to lie for groups like Aspen Education. Keep asking patiently for proof of their statements and eventually they drop all of their claims because they are caught in provable lies, like this poster was.
So, let's be clear for the record: MBA was found guilty of substantiated abuse and was closed by authorities for it. Then they sued the state and AEG and the state came to a settlement under which AEG would drop their lawsuit and the state would drop or modify some of the charges and the substantiated cases of abuse would remain on the record.
DHS has never issued any statement absolving MBA of abuse or retracting any previous statements, as this poster kept claiming, but later finally admitted s/he was falsifying the "information" which consisted only of his/her own opinion and no facts.
It's a shame that dishonest dialogue like this poster's statements take so long to debunk, but it's worth it to see that, at the end, they made all of their "facts" up out of their imagination.
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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I still disagree with your opinion. Sometimes we tend to read into things too much and get caught up in our own opinions. Lets go back and look at the original article we have been referencing:
Link (http://http://www.ktvz.com/news/25258065/detail.html)
Here is a summary as seen by Aspen Education:
A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:
We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.
As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.
Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.
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Com'on Dysfunction, they said this and they said that, bottom line the program will be back open soon. Now what are you doing about that.
What is the plan.
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Com'on Dysfunction, they said this and they said that, bottom line the program will be back open soon.
Yep, probably.....just like Straight did under a different name to avoid the bad publicity.
Now what are you doing about that.
What is the plan.
Exposing what they did under the former name, like we did with Straight.
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Well, right now the plan is to continue to educate prospective parents that Aspen is abusive and deadly, as shown in the investigations by Oregon DHS. They killed a kid at Sagewalk last year (murder charges still being considered) and MBA was shut down for "systemic child abuse," as defined and shown in the DHS reports.
If Aspen reopens there, it will only be a matter of time before they get caught abusing kids again. MBA was shut down for abuse twice already.
I hope they don't reopen, but the sad fact is that these programs get shut for abuse and just reopen under a new name with all the same faces running the scam.
I'll be counting on people like you to blow the whistle when kids are being abused again at this dangerous facility. These kids should be protected from abuse.
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Com'on Dysfunction, they said this and they said that, bottom line the program will be back open soon.
Yep, probably.....just like Straight did under a different name to avoid the bad publicity.
Now what are you doing about that.
What is the plan.
Exposing what they did under the former name, like we did with Straight.
My guess is that they will reopen under another name or sell the site and reopen elsewhere in Oregon. I believe they will stay in Oregon because they sort of owe them one since they screwed up and forced them to close MBA.
From the press releases they seem to have come to an understanding of sorts.
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Com'on Dysfunction, they said this and they said that, bottom line the program will be back open soon.
Yep, probably.....just like Straight did under a different name to avoid the bad publicity.
Now what are you doing about that.
What is the plan.
Exposing what they did under the former name, like we did with Straight.
Riiiiiiiiiiiigggghhhhttttt. This is not a old man with a program called, "Straight". This is a Corporation, Anne. A rather large Corp. with tentacles that reach far and wide, this will take a entirely new tack on strategy.
This will take a new Senator in Washington, like Richard Bloomingthal from CT, this new gal from Delaware who used to believe in black magic, kind of corny but she could be impressed with this subject. Everyone keeps talking about H.R. 911, well come November there will be a bunch of new faces, start calling or writing.
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I still disagree with your opinion. Sometimes we tend to read into things too much and get caught up in our own opinions. Lets go back and look at the original article we have been referencing:
Link (http://http://www.ktvz.com/news/25258065/detail.html)
Here is a summary as seen by Aspen Education:
A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:
We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.
As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.
Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.
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OK, now we're getting somewhere. You just reported the opinion of an Aspen principal, but them embellished it all sorts of ways without facts into "DHS admitted there was no abuse" (paraphrasing) when no such thing was ever written or stated.
Thanks for admitting that all you posted before was factless and made up. It's important not to let our financial ties cloud our vision on the facts. Trying to mislead people doesn't help your agenda. If your argument can't be proven with facts, it's best not to make things up like you were doing because you get exposed in about a nanosecond.
So, let's get this straight finally: DHS never said anything about "no abuse occurring" and in fact stood by their intial investigation. Some charges were dropped (we don't know which ones, although you said they were "serious" without any evidence to support that) and some were modified, either to lower charges or higher charges, we don't know (although you misleadingly and falsely claimed they were serious charges that were reduced before).
The main problem I see with Fornits is that people like this poster tend to just make up their own "pro-program facts" about proven abusive facilities like MBA which has now been forced to close twice by authorities for abusing kids. These few bad apples shouldn't be allowed to taint the barrel here with all of these unsubstantiated claims about programs to which they have financial ties. It's dishonest and reflects badly on those posters.
At least we have cleaned up the misleading untruths from this poster's previous false claims about DHS for which s/he provided absolutely no facts and presented his/her fanciful opinion as "fact," but which was proven to be false by his/her own admission.
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Com'on Dysfunction, they said this and they said that, bottom line the program will be back open soon.
Yep, probably.....just like Straight did under a different name to avoid the bad publicity.
Now what are you doing about that.
What is the plan.
Exposing what they did under the former name, like we did with Straight.
Riiiiiiiiiiiigggghhhhttttt. This is not a (sic) old man with a program called, "Straight". This is a Corporation, Anne.
As was Straight. In fact, the official name was Straight Incorporated.
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Com'on Dysfunction, they said this and they said that, bottom line the program will be back open soon.
Yep, probably.....just like Straight did under a different name to avoid the bad publicity.
Now what are you doing about that.
What is the plan.
Exposing what they did under the former name, like we did with Straight.
Riiiiiiiiiiiigggghhhhttttt. This is not a (sic) old man with a program called, "Straight". This is a Corporation, Anne.
As was Straight. In fact, the official name was Straight Incorporated.
Com'on Anne, you know what I mean.
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Com'on Dysfunction, they said this and they said that, bottom line the program will be back open soon.
Yep, probably.....just like Straight did under a different name to avoid the bad publicity.
Now what are you doing about that.
What is the plan.
Exposing what they did under the former name, like we did with Straight.
Riiiiiiiiiiiigggghhhhttttt. This is not a (sic) old man with a program called, "Straight". This is a Corporation, Anne.
As was Straight. In fact, the official name was Straight Incorporated.
Com'on Anne, you know what I mean.
No, I don't. There were many Straights in different states. "Straight National" had their building on the same piece of property that the Florida Gandy building was. Why do you think it's any different? It's not like it was some tiny place that no one knew about. Hell, Nancy Reagan and Princess Di visited us as a "model" for drug treatment. Nancy twice. Then Bush Sr. did a promo for it. It's not like it was some insignificant thing. The fucking president endorsed it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpfVJZ5xRs4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpfVJZ5xRs4)
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Doh....here's another one. This one actually made me cringe seeing an Open Meeting. And those fucking songs!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38rO2WmiLWY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38rO2WmiLWY)
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Link (http://http://www.ktvz.com/news/25258065/detail.html)
A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:
We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.
As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.
Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.
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So, let's be clear for the record: MBA was found guilty of substantiated abuse and was closed by authorities for it. Then they sued the state and AEG and the state came to a settlement under which AEG would drop their lawsuit and the state would drop or modify some of the charges and the substantiated cases of abuse would remain on the record.
As has been previously stated, this particular facility has been closed down by authorities for abuse twice already. It's a shame that the same child abusers would be allowed to open up again when they have been found guilty of abusing children twice already.
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Link (http://http://www.ktvz.com/news/25258065/detail.html)
A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:
We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.
As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.
Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.
What's your point? That the president of Aspen Ed is defending himself and his money machine?
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Link (http://http://www.ktvz.com/news/25258065/detail.html)
A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:
We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.
As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.
Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.
What's your point? That the president of Aspen Ed is defending himself and his money machine?
The point is the outcome of the investigation shows that the DHS has stepped down with its allegations against MBA. Its a big step and I think the readers deserve to read it.
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Link (http://http://www.ktvz.com/news/25258065/detail.html)
A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:
We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.
As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.
Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.
What's your point? That the president of Aspen Ed is defending himself and his money machine?
The point is the outcome of the investigation shows that the DHS has stepped down with its allegations against MBA. Its a big step and I think the readers deserve to read it.
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This is the point you keep missing, Anne. None of this information is public and the settlement is confidential, yet you-know-who has access to all of the details and is setting the record straight, as usual.
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This is the point you keep missing, Anne. None of this information is public and the settlement is confidential, yet you-know-who has access to all of the details and is setting the record straight, as usual.
Then why does he keep telling us that he's just a program parent with no other affiliation to the TTI?
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Probably because your a bunch of dumbasses. What would be the point of giving you information you could use to damage his business or put his picture up on a porn site? "Simple explanations for simple people" Anne. He's helping kids get into programs and get the help they need. That's all you need to know.
Or it could just be that he's a liar. He wouldn't have to name the actual name of the referral organization. He just lies because he wants people to believe he's a simple program parent and isn't here to to damage control for his business.
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Maxsukit’
Please, observe that you are posting on a forum where your rudeness, manipulative disruptions, lying and slander has been tolerated by people with sympathy to your kind of damage far greater than I can muster.
And take your *dumbass* remarks to the offa, please.
THX
Probably because your a bunch of dumbasses. What would be the point of giving you information you could use to damage his business or put his picture up on a porn site? "Simple explanations for simple people" Anne. He's helping kids get into programs and get the help they need. That's all you need to know.
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OK, OK. I was just pointing out, on topic by the way, that it's no mystery how Whooter gets the inside information all the time while the fornits exteremists wait like dogs at his table for scraps. Have you seen the settlement? Yeah, that's what I thought. He knows what's in their.
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He knows what's in their.
He knows what's in their what? Their wallets?
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He knows what's in their.
He knows what's in their what? Their wallets?
Please, it's a spelling error. So shoot me. This is what destroys Fornits' credibility. Obviously what I was saying is that Whooter knows what's in the settlement and you don't. This is why he can report on what's going to happen before you people ever know anything happened in the first place. He is in a position where he gets the real inside information while all you can do here is fish for it. Keep running in circles.
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Max, I don't have to work at an orange juice plant to know that they juice oranges. This forum is proof that those programs are held to be abusive by many people. The fact that most of them do not post regularly is probably just evidence that they are tired of arguing with callous, arrogant, closed minded program trolls like you and Whooter. How many survivors have posted since this forum opened, I wonder?
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So just because I support programs and Whooter works with them we're trolls, huh?
Well, at the very least it makes Whooter a liar.
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Troll (Internet), an internet term for a person who, through willful action, attempts to disrupt a community or garner attention and controversy through provocative messages ("trolls").
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It might be a good news for the followers.All the followers can found themselves again in track.