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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 02, 2003, 07:53:00 PM
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WWASPS and ARNOLD - what's the relationship?
WWASPS is a big target
ARNOLD is a big target
WWASPS has teens crying abuse.
ARNOLD has women crying abuse.
WWASPS may be the best choice if you need intervention and healing for your family.
ARNOLD may be the best choice if you need intervention and healing in California.
WWASPS says it's not perfect
ARNOLD says he's not perfect
Both have others that want what they have and will say anything to discredit them.
Neither claim to be something they're not.
Not everyone agrees with what they stand for.
WWASPS has never had a confirmed case of abuse.
ARNOLD has never had a confirmed case of abuse.
WWASPS has had negative news articles written about them.
ARNOLD has had negative news articles written about him.
WWASPS was dragged through the mud by Inside Edition and People Magazine.
ARNOLD was dragged through the mud by Inside Edition and People Magazine.
Okay - so I'm just bored right now - My bad. :razz:
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Yeah, well at least ARNOLD admits he has made mistakes in the past and has apologized for his actions on national television.
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Nobody's given WWASPS the opportunity to admit mistakes - or they have and it wasn't acknowledged...Like it was said - Nobody's perfect but my experience of wwasps is they learn from mistakes (what works and doesn't work)...and have become better than ever for it.
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Allegations alone don?t close down 8 programs. Please don?t say they were voluntarily closed down, because we all know that they closed because they had no other option.
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We do?
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Think about it this way: if you had a multi-site program and you were under investigation in one state and knew you couldn't beat the rap, would you wait to be tried for it and convicted, or close first and cite "financial reasons" or "insurance problems" or "disgruntled employees"?
If you wait to be tried, you risk losing it all-- if you close first, then you can make up your own explanation to keep the $$$ rolling in in other states.
Every multi-site abusive program has shut individual sites first when investigators had something on them. Straight did it, KIDS did it, now WWASP is doing it.
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Several links can be found at http://www.democracynow.org (http://www.democracynow.org)
covering issues of Arnold's sexual abuse, racism and his father's Nazi ties. Scroll down the right column until you see "The California Recall"
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What is this...a bunch of folks that have no "Past?"
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Is that one of those snide remarks WWASPies make when someone has trouble thinking of a sordid story from their own life that relates to the rap topic? Just curious. In Straight it would be something like "you're in denial about your past" or "you're hanging onto your past and not getting honest." Maybe they've made the lingo more efficient by now? Is that how they've learned from past experience?
I have found that the best way to give advice to your children is to find out what they want and then advise them to do it
--Harry S. Truman
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Anon,
"Your eperience of WWASP is that they learn from their mistakes."You must be drunk on the koolaide.
If I wasn't privy to the facts that I know about wwasp and how they treat the kids in their care,how they run their business that sentence could maybe be considered. It's NOT. WWASP does what it intends to do. Never was a mistake made. Deliberate,intentional,instructed by the directors.
I see the saddness in my child's eyes when the subject of WWASP comes into the conversation and my heart hurts. Howe dare you minimize the ugliness WWASP really does to the kids.The sexual predators at TB was no mistake. Fuck you.
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On 2003-10-03 19:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anon,
"Your eperience of WWASP is that they learn from their mistakes."You must be drunk on the koolaide.
If I wasn't privy to the facts that I know about wwasp and how they treat the kids in their care,how they run their business that sentence could maybe be considered. It's NOT. WWASP does what it intends to do. Never was a mistake made. Deliberate,intentional,instructed by the directors.
I see the saddness in my child's eyes when the subject of WWASP comes into the conversation and my heart hurts. Howe dare you minimize the ugliness WWASP really does to the kids.The sexual predators at TB was no mistake. Fuck you.
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Given the inherent risk, sending kids out of the U.S. for treatment is not a good idea, but it seems many parents over-rule their better judgment and do it anyway.
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Well at least Arnold will never be president. That well can all be thankful for, and I for one do not live in Cali myself so he will not be affecting me directly (bad bad I should be more global)
I would vote for the stripper who wants to tax implants I think that is a great idea!! Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.
Thomas Jefferson, 1787
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Congratulations ARNOLD!!!! Seems the allegations reported in the newspapers and on TV shows that people don't believe everything they hear or read!!!!!!!!!!!!
YIPPEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 17:39 ]
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Anon,
It was never my intent to send my child out of the country. He was enrolled at SCL for their "ACADEMIC excellance." SCL family rep ,director,therapist worked me for months to send my "noncompliant" child to TB. Ken Kay assured me he would be safe.
Many times by many different people I was assured Jamaica was safe.How loving the staff is toward our kids etc etc etc.
I now know those people had an agenda over and above the concern for my child or myself.
I trusted the untrustworthy.
I never thought to contact the DOS to inquire.
THEY harmed my son,not I. I was negligent is trusting people I was paying a huge aount of money who claimed they were a Speciality school.
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Oh they believe it allright - they just don't care.
Karen how is it that you know what all of those voters believe?
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 17:40 ]
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Karen it is not your place to state what others believe.
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Hey people, Arnold S. can not run for the office of President of the United States of America because he is NOT a natural born citizen. Therefore, the chances of him being ELECTED are ZILCH.
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Karen is very adept at wanting others to believe what she thinks is true, as are many others on this board. It may be their truth, but it's all a perception, not truth.
I never read where Arnold wanted to be President - so it's a non issue.
The point of this thread was to enlighten us on the relationship of what the poster's perceptions of wwasps and Arnold are. Agree or disagree. It's very good and shows how the press can poison our minds... if we let them. It's a choice. :wink:
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 17:41 ]
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Laws are easily re-written-- but not the U.S. Constitution, which requires so much process to change that it's basically impossible for Arnie to even run.
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Karen wrote: " so it seems to follow that the majority of voters in California know, but don't care; -
Karen, they know what? They know what they read, but they don't KNOW it's truth. Only Arnie knows the truth. The things you say about wwasps here give you validation that it's correct, when there's always another side to every story and many more people have a completely different experience from what I've read at http://www.wwasprebuttal.com (http://www.wwasprebuttal.com) - Do I know what'son this site is the truth..No, it's my choice to believe it over what I read here.
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On 2003-10-08 14:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Karen wrote: " so it seems to follow that the majority of voters in California know, but don't care; -
Karen, they know what? They know what they read, but they don't KNOW it's truth. Only Arnie knows the truth. The things you say about wwasps here give you validation that it's correct, when there's always another side to every story and many more people have a completely different experience from what I've read at http://www.wwasprebuttal.com (http://www.wwasprebuttal.com) - Do I know what'son this site is the truth..No, it's my choice to believe it over what I read here.
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You know, I don't care, and I don't see how anyone else could care, if a bunch of kids claim not to have had bad experiences---at the same time that other kids have been abused and neglected.
If kids are being abused or neglected in these places, I don't care how many kids there are---these places need better government oversight to ensure that the abuses are corrected and that the child gets the very basic goods and services that the parents are paying for.
And if the kids are being isolated from their mail---not allowed to send and receive it---in violation of federal law, then that violation of their rights needs to be addressed, to.
Kids may not have all the rights of full adults, but they DO have certain rights by law.
Cults often claim that their noble ends justify means that most of the rest of society find unethical, or means that are actually illegal.
Program parents' attitude towards cases of abuse seems to be that you can't make an omelette without making a few eggs.
That attitude is so far outside societal norms that it in itself substantiates a lot of what the critics of the programs have been saying.
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Er...breaking eggs. Sorry. :smile:
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This is just more proof that you can
Work out to Nazi music (docmuented even editied from the bodybuilding movie he was in)
and still be a-okay for office I don't give a shit who you sleep with as long as they are willing to sleep with you
But ANTI SEMETIC BEHAVIOR FROM A MAN RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND HE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just don't smoke pot at 14 or you may have to be mentally fucked for life.
Well Arnold's choice in music is probably fitting in well with the hitlers youth style treatment program that is so popular with the Republicans
Wake up America there are Rebublicans lobbying to get a consitiutional ammendment passed so this asshole can be president even though he was not born here.
what's is going to happen are we the next neo nazi reich???
Before you think this is crazy how much shit has happened in your life that you thought could never happen, too crazy, no way.
REALITY---- 1/2 the people are morons, there are some who care but it just all seems to hopeless and then there are power hungry....ie: poltican/actors one in the same really act get money practice lying get old have money to fund campaign are well know can lie well yey your president ie: Regan *spit spit*
those who truely don't give a shit
and the activists :tup:
Bush got up in front of the nation and asked for 87billion to keep the war going if we spent half that on reconstruction (not turning shit into a military zone) then maybe we would not be counting down to the next terroist attack. And worst of all we swallowed it. While no one can even make a decent
All our kids problems are a reflection of this fucked up society. If things were good they would be reflecting that shoving them deeper into the system is not going to help them they will hate you, and be so angry, you may never get them back again.
Damn I am so upset I feel like moving to Canada
May the fleas of one thousand llamas infest your armpits
--One ticked off sysadmin
[ This Message was edited by: kaydeejaded on 2003-10-08 18:16 ]
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Someone wrote: "And if the kids are being isolated from their mail---not allowed to send and receive it---in violation of federal law, then that violation of their rights needs to be addressed, to."
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What program isolates the kids from their mail?
I don't know of any personally, but please share what you know about the kids at some programs not getting their mail or sending it out???
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The question is "what program doesn't". It's part of the so-called "treatment".
You pretend to be an authority, "I don't know of any personally", but anyone "in the know", who has any real knowledge and experience with BM warehousing facilities absolutely knows that mail is censored, rejected for content, the teen punished for "inappropriate" content- which includes allegations of abuse (labled manipulation), and most certainly is withheld as punishment until THEY decide that the teen "deserves" to read a letter from home (feel a moment of being loved). And it's industry-wide, pretty standard procedure. Many letters my son "sent" were never received and visa versa.