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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anne Bonney on September 28, 2010, 11:24:57 AM
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In other words, you can't support your assertion. Color me shocked.
and you misquoted me just to be rude... what else is new.
I didn't misquote you. I quoted exactly what you said it it's entirety. It's there for everyone to read. I may have misinterpreted what you meant to say, but at least I had the integrity to link to where I thought you said putting a hotline in programs was a bad idea because the operator might talk dirty to the kids. You, on the other hand, have absolutely nothing to back up what you said that I posted because I never said anything remotely like that.
You're very good at tap-dancing around issues. Smells like a marketer.
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Anne, your contradicting yourself again, you were the lightweight of the group remember, they don't die.
I'm not contradicting myself, you are. I had no business being in there because I was a lightweight. Why would a lightweight need such a harsh program? Even thought I was a lightweight, they told my parents that I would DIE if they didn't admit me. That's my point. Kids who don't need programs like Straight were admitted anyway. I'm not understanding your point. But that's pretty standard as your comprehension is horrible.
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In other words, you can't support your assertion. Color me shocked.
and you misquoted me just to be rude... what else is new.
I didn't misquote you. I quoted exactly what you said it it's entirety.
No, you didnt, Anne. Again you lie
Here is what you said:
Whooter thinks having an abuse hotline in programs is a bad idea because the hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=380256#p380256)
Here is what I said:
The guy on the abuse hot line could talk dirty to the kids also, but it is highly unlikely.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=255754#p255754)
Then after you misquoted me I explained what I meant by the comment.
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I could look at the cars built in the 1940's and those of today and say "Look people are still dying in auto accidents, they have 4 wheels and a windshield etc." so nothing has changed. It is a good argument. But if you take a closer look at todays cars auto safety has improved and this fact should be recognized.
Actually, I'm seeing more deaths from programs than I did back then and places that were worse than Straight, which I didn't think I'd ever see.
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I could look at the cars built in the 1940's and those of today and say "Look people are still dying in auto accidents, they have 4 wheels and a windshield etc." so nothing has changed. It is a good argument. But if you take a closer look at todays cars auto safety has improved and this fact should be recognized.
Actually, I'm seeing more deaths from programs than I did back then and places that were worse than Straight, which I didn't think I'd ever see.
Exactly!! There are more auto deaths, also, then there were in the 40's. But that is because there are more people driving today. So auto safety can improve but the numbers can still rise if more people participate.
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In other words, you can't support your assertion. Color me shocked.
and you misquoted me just to be rude... what else is new.
I didn't misquote you. I quoted exactly what you said it it's entirety.
No, you didnt, Anne. Again you lie
Here is what you said:
Whooter thinks having an abuse hotline in programs is a bad idea because the hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=380256#p380256)
Here is what I said:
The guy on the abuse hot line could talk dirty to the kids also, but it is highly unlikely.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=255754#p255754)
Then after you misquoted me I explained what I meant by the comment.
Even so....again, you asked me for a link so I at least posted what I thought was you opposing hotlines because the operator might talk dirty to the kids. I may have been wrong, but at least I backed up what I said and had the integrity to post the link I where I thought you said it. You, apparently, have no integrity as you haven't (because you can't) produced the link where you thought I said anything close to what you said I did.
Just admit this once that you fucked up and got caught.
Again.....shows your mindset.
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I could look at the cars built in the 1940's and those of today and say "Look people are still dying in auto accidents, they have 4 wheels and a windshield etc." so nothing has changed. It is a good argument. But if you take a closer look at todays cars auto safety has improved and this fact should be recognized.
Actually, I'm seeing more deaths from programs than I did back then and places that were worse than Straight, which I didn't think I'd ever see.
Exactly!! There are more auto deaths, also, then there were in the 40's. But that is because there are more people driving today. So auto safety can improve but the numbers can still rise if more people participate.
Cars don't have to advertise the need for their product. Programs do.
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More children die from swimming pool drains than in programs. I'm not saying that a kid dying in a program isn't a big deal, but it's also important to have some perspective. When you are talking about an industry dealing with tens of thousands of kids, a rogue staff might sneak their way into the system and take advantage of it and be mean to kids and physically harm them, or just not do their job and be neglectful and harm them by accident.
Thousands of kids every year die of suicide. That means all of those parents found out their teenager decided to take their own life, many of those parents are the one's who find the dead kid hanging in their closet, or some other gruesome scenario. It's easy to get caught up in how dangerous programs seem on fornits, but there is a lot of other dangers facing troubled teens today, that statistically speaking, are much more dangerous to the well being of a child than being in a treatment program. If your troubled teen is using drugs, and driving around with their friends while intoxicated, what is more likely that they will die in a DUI (accidents in the top 3 leading cause of death of teens, along with suicide) or that they will be killed in the program you send them to? We all know the answer to that, and parents have to make these calculations and it's not a surprise they come down on the side of caution and choose treatment rather than fearing the rare event of program violence, and rightfully fearing the end result of a troubled teen which can commonly be, death , jail or even institutionalization. This is where this statement comes from, it's not a cliche if it's true.
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Just admit this once that you fucked up and got caught.
Again.....shows your mindset.
I didnt fuck up and get caught, Anne, I told you that every-time you misquote or lie about what I say I will play the same game with you. (Even if Ursus comes to help cover your tracks with his double standard).
Why do you feel justified in saying stuff about people that isnt true, but you get upset when you get the same in return?
Just treat people the way you want to be treated.
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Ha,Ha,Ha. Whooter caught red-handed again lying and altering people's quotes. Who woulda thunk it??
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Ha,Ha,Ha. Whooter caught red-handed again lying and altering people's quotes. Who woulda thunk it??
Actually it was Anne. Dont rub it in, it was a misquote on her part and she already admitted to it.
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Just admit this once that you fucked up and got caught.
Again.....shows your mindset.
I didnt fuck up and get caught, Anne, I told you that every-time you misquote or lie about what I say I will play the same game with you. (Even if Ursus comes to help cover your tracks with his double standard).
Why do you feel justified in saying stuff about people that isnt true, but you get upset when you get the same in return?
Just treat people the way you want to be treated.
What I did was misinterpret what you actually wrote, in your opinion, but at least I provided a link to the 'questionable' post. You pulled what you thought I said completely out of your ass (to be rude), which is why you can't even come up with a quote to where you even think I said what you claim I did.
What about changing Ursus' quotes to make it appear that he was questioning me instead of you? Face it dude.....you're caught. Again.
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Ok. Anne, Troll Control, RB, DJ. You're all getting a little off topic here. Whooter's lying is the topic of many other threads. When you're writing a post, think whether it relates to the title of the thread or the OP's writing/questions. If it doesn't, take it to a more appropriate thread or start a new one.
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Ok. Anne, Troll Control, RB, DJ. You're all getting a little off topic here. Whooter's lying is the topic of many other threads. When you're writing a post, think whether it relates to the title of the thread or the OP's writing/questions. If it doesn't, take it to a more appropriate thread or start a new one.
I'm fine with that as long as everyone plays by the rules, but Whooter intentionally (IMO) posts lies and then we can't respond because it's "off topic". It's very frustrating and he knows it. That's his MO to derail threads.
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Ok. Anne, Troll Control, RB, DJ. You're all getting a little off topic here. Whooter's lying is the topic of many other threads. When you're writing a post, think whether it relates to the title of the thread or the OP's writing/questions. If it doesn't, take it to a more appropriate thread or start a new one.
I'm fine with that as long as everyone plays by the rules, but Whooter intentionally (IMO) posts lies and then we can't respond because it's "off topic". It's very frustrating and he knows it. That's his MO to derail threads.
This should be titled "Anne Bonneys lies"... Anne you are the one who was lying about what I said. Nice try though:
Anne said: I didn't misquote you. I quoted exactly what you said it it's entirety.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=380759#p380759)
But the evidence proves otherwise.
Anne said: Whooter thinks having an abuse hotline in programs is a bad idea because the hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=380256#p380256)
I actually said: The guy on the abuse hot line could talk dirty to the kids also, but it is highly unlikely.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=255754#p255754)
Plus if you take the time to read the original discussion you will see what my intention was in making that comment.
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This should be titled "Anne Bonneys lies"... Anne you are the one who was lying about what I said.
Pot, meet kettle.
Anne said: I didn't misquote you. I quoted exactly what you said it it's entirety.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=380759#p380759)
But the evidence proves otherwise. I provided the exact quote and you're hammering on semantics.
I've said it before and I'll say it again....you are the master of spin and marketing.
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Look, Anne, there was no reason for you to take a shot at me to begin with. You were having a discussion with Maximilian and it wasnt even about hotlines and I wasnt part of the discussion.
You took what I said out of context just to be hateful or maybe to raise a reaction which you got.
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Look, Anne, there was no reason for you to take a shot at me to begin with. You were having a discussion with Maximilian and it wasnt even about hotlines and I wasnt part of the discussion.
You took what I said out of context just to be hateful or maybe to raise a reaction which you got.
I have to ask you again......what color is the sky in your world?
I quoted your entire post regarding that subject. You don't like it because it puts you in a bad light. Deal with it.
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Ok. Anne, Troll Control, RB, DJ. You're all getting a little off topic here. Whooter's lying is the topic of many other threads. When you're writing a post, think whether it relates to the title of the thread or the OP's writing/questions. If it doesn't, take it to a more appropriate thread or start a new one.
I'm fine with that as long as everyone plays by the rules, but Whooter intentionally (IMO) posts lies and then we can't respond because it's "off topic". It's very frustrating and he knows it. That's his MO to derail threads.
This is exactly my issue with Whooter. Modersating forums only makes for more civil sounding BS. However, thoughtful posts are still derailed by persistent, pervasive, and revolving lies by W. Why should would be subjected to that in a forum designed to grapple with serious issues?
He is the biggest con artist here and yet, as long as he retains a civil veneer he is allowed.
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He is the biggest con artist here and yet, as long as he retains a civil veneer he is allowed.
:tup: :tup: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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He's been banned before, i thought.
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He's been banned before, i thought.
Yeah, but I think that was another Mod and Ginger decided that it wasn't right because she has integrity.
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He's been banned before, i thought.
Yeah, but I think that was another Mod and Ginger decided that it wasn't right because she has integrity.
By letting that asshole back on here? :rofl:
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He's been banned before, i thought.
Yeah, but I think that was another Mod and Ginger decided that it wasn't right because she has integrity.
By letting that asshole back on here? :rofl:
I know and I agree, but if the rules are going to apply to everyone they have to include Asshole (Whooter). If she banned him, he'd just have another excuse to scream that Fornits is biased.
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In other words, you can't support your assertion. Color me shocked.
and you misquoted me just to be rude... what else is new.
I didn't misquote you. I quoted exactly what you said it it's entirety. It's there for everyone to read. I may have misinterpreted what you meant to say, but at least I had the integrity to link to where I thought you said putting a hotline in programs was a bad idea because the operator might talk dirty to the kids. You, on the other hand, have absolutely nothing to back up what you said that I posted because I never said anything remotely like that.
You're very good at tap-dancing around issues. Smells like a marketer.
I love this, "misquoted vs. misinterpreted". Hmmmmmmm.......which will win.
Ya heard it here first, folks.
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Anne, your contradicting yourself again, you were the lightweight of the group remember, they don't die.
I'm not contradicting myself, you are. I had no business being in there because I was a lightweight. Why would a lightweight need such a harsh program? Even thought I was a lightweight, they told my parents that I would DIE if they didn't admit me. That's my point. Kids who don't need programs like Straight were admitted anyway. I'm not understanding your point. But that's pretty standard as your comprehension is horrible.
:rofl: :rofl: Com'on Anne, my comprehension is just fine. Ok, lets recap what you have said in the last 2 months, first you said, "I was the light weight of the group", then another time you mentioned that you had used narcotics. Not quite a "lightweight" substance, especially the opiate type.
If taking opiates is lightweight, I would luv to hear you explain the opposite.
Now does that sound like I was not paying attention.
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This is exactly my issue with Whooter. Modersating forums only makes for more civil sounding BS. However, thoughtful posts are still derailed by persistent, pervasive, and revolving lies by W. Why should would be subjected to that in a forum designed to grapple with serious issues?
He is the biggest con artist here and yet, as long as he retains a civil veneer he is allowed.
Samara, quit your bitching and finger pointing. You have been warned once by the admins yourself. You are no angel when it comes to derailing threads and running off topic.
5 people can be doing the same thing and you sit by quietly, but when someone you dont like does it you have a fit about it.
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I could look at the cars built in the 1940's and those of today and say "Look people are still dying in auto accidents, they have 4 wheels and a windshield etc." so nothing has changed. It is a good argument. But if you take a closer look at todays cars auto safety has improved and this fact should be recognized.
Actually, I'm seeing more deaths from programs than I did back then and places that were worse than Straight, which I didn't think I'd ever see.
That is not true at all. They were not as focused on the deaths as they are today. No one was keeping taps.
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He's been banned before, i thought.
Yeah, but I think that was another Mod and Ginger decided that it wasn't right because she has integrity.
By letting that asshole back on here? :rofl:
I know and I agree, but if the rules are going to apply to everyone they have to include Asshole (Whooter). If she banned him, he'd just have another excuse to scream that Fornits is biased.
Look, Anne, one of the reasons I am not banned is because you are still here. People were having a civil conversation until you took a pot shot at me when I wasnt even posting. It was off topic. When I responded you get all bent out of shape like : "Who me?" its not my fault at all... its all whooters fault he derailed the thread again."
I am sure psy is monitoring the threads and knows I am not the one derailing them. If banning occurs, you and Samara will probably go first based on all your attacks. But that would be unfair, right, because its okay to derail a thread as long as it is for anti-program reasons.
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Ha,Ha,Ha. Whooter caught red-handed again lying and altering people's quotes. Who woulda thunk it??
Nobody but you!!!!!!
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This here thread is very confusing. It contains posts which were previously in two different threads. What was the intent of combining them?
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This here thread is very confusing. It contains posts which were previously in two different threads. What was the intent of combining them?
some of us are socially ambidextrous.... :rofl: