Fornits
General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Maximilian on September 27, 2010, 03:31:59 PM
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Now that the new version of fornits has existed for a little while, I'm interested to hear opinions on whether you think the introduction of moderation and rules has made fornits better, or worse.
I think it's interesting that so far, the only people who have been banned are anti -program posters.
Do you prefer this new version of fornits, or the older, free for all unmoderated version of fornits?
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I definitely prefer this version better. I have found it a little difficult to shake off my old ways of being defensive on one hand and attacking the trolls who were constantly on me. Being constantly attacked and having people trying to figure out my identity and expose it changed the way I interacted here on fornits. The whole John Reuben thing was getting pretty intense there for awhile and the desperation to bring it to closure was making DJ a little crazy.
Now that the rules have changed Dysfunction Junction’s attacks have subsided and RobertBruce has been mostly confined to the “OFFA” forum.
Bottom line is that it has forced people to be more cordial to one another which lays the ground work for a healthier conversation and makes it safer for people to open up. I am hoping that we start to see more program parents and kids who had good experiences join the forum and stick around for more than a day or 2. This would balance out the conversations here.
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Well, well, well now SUCKIT you have ventured into this free for all section and are now subject to My Rules! First of all, I have decreed that this area of Fornits remain unmoderated and free from the limitations imposed in other areas. That was my wish and the mods had no choice other than to go along with it. They were POWERLESS to stop me. I am in control! My benevolence is well known here and I expect your adulation. The rules will remain in place until I choose to have them altered.
Now I want you to crawl back inside my head and stay there until I need you. Its ok when you emerge at the AA meetings to help me recruit minions but I want you to stop your ridiculous behavior here on Fornits. It is embarrasing to admit that you are actually me! You are such a vile despicable part of me, coming here to torment these poor abused souls when you should be at the AA meets recruiting soul-slaves for the afterlife. Stay between my ears until I call for you! STFU!
Danny Has Spoken
Peace and Powerlessness
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What was the moderation supposed to accomplish? I wasn't online during the period of time when said decision was made, so I have no clue what prompted this...
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What was the moderation supposed to accomplish?
My guess would be to bring some credibility to this forum, and make it appear safe to post here to parents, namely those who are thinking of sending their kids away to programs. When you have posters threatening and posting personal details about parents, and making websites about them on porn sites with pictures of the family and everything, it doesn't exactly seem like this is a safe place for parents to come and ask for advice about what to do with their troubled teen.
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I think it had good intentions, but has ended up doing the opposite of what was intended. I like the idea of preventing alts, but it seems to quash the idea of freedom of speech.
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What was the moderation supposed to accomplish?
My guess would be to bring some credibility to this forum, and make it appear safe to post here to parents, namely those who are thinking of sending their kids away to programs. When you have posters threatening and posting personal details about parents, and making websites about them on porn sites with pictures of the family and everything, it doesn't exactly seem like this is a safe place for parents to come and ask for advice about what to do with their troubled teen.
I thought that experiment resulted in troubled-teen-industry.com. Why try to repeat it here?
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I think it had good intentions, but has ended up doing the opposite of what was intended.
I agree. Moreover, at least two regular posters appear to have been banned, perhaps temporarily, but they haven't bothered to return, at least as of yet.
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I think it had good intentions, but has ended up doing the opposite of what was intended.
I agree. Moreover, at least two regular posters appear to have been banned, perhaps temporarily, but they haven't bothered to return, at least as of yet.
I don't see the moderation worth bitching over. (Sorry to agree with Max.)
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(Sorry to agree with Max.)
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Note to self: Agree with Max (or at least pretend to) a little more often.
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60/40 so far with the majority liking the new moderated forum
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opting in is a pain in the ass
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opting in is a pain in the ass
I agree, but the "no holds barred" atmosphere is worth it when you need to just get something off your chest.
Its like a biker bar with a cover charge.
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Moderation is the key. :tup:
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There are so many threads being hacked by posts being split off and plunked into OFFA, that I have a hard time keeping track of discussions.
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What was the moderation supposed to accomplish? I wasn't online during the period of time when said decision was made, so I have no clue what prompted this...
A lot of reasons. The morgan situation, the drama. The moderation is supposed to provide readers with an "opt out" for that kind of thing. Fornits has always had a moderated section and an unmoderated one. The only real difference here are the ratios.
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There are so many threads being hacked by posts being split off and plunked into OFFA, that I have a hard time keeping track of discussions.
Well. There are so many threads that had shifted off-topic. I figured it better off to split them into more appropriate chunks. The new stuff will stil rise to the top of active topics and you'll still be able to search for those posts through the search feature.
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Guys. Don't hate it just because Whooter likes it. And you, Whooter. You're ruining my image over here. Quit with the cheerleading.
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What was the moderation supposed to accomplish? I wasn't online during the period of time when said decision was made, so I have no clue what prompted this...
A lot of reasons. The morgan situation, the drama. The moderation is supposed to provide readers with an "opt out" for that kind of thing. Fornits has always had a moderated section and an unmoderated one. The only real difference here are the ratios.
Well, no, I beg to differ. It's a LOT more than just "ratios." What's going on now is a whole different ball game than before.
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What was the moderation supposed to accomplish? I wasn't online during the period of time when said decision was made, so I have no clue what prompted this...
A lot of reasons. The morgan situation, the drama. The moderation is supposed to provide readers with an "opt out" for that kind of thing. Fornits has always had a moderated section and an unmoderated one. The only real difference here are the ratios.
Well, no, I beg to differ. It's a LOT more than just "ratios." What's going on now is a whole different ball game than before.
Ok. Explain to me what you don't like and let's take a look at changing it.
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What was the moderation supposed to accomplish? I wasn't online during the period of time when said decision was made, so I have no clue what prompted this...
A lot of reasons. The morgan situation, the drama. The moderation is supposed to provide readers with an "opt out" for that kind of thing. Fornits has always had a moderated section and an unmoderated one. The only real difference here are the ratios.
Well, no, I beg to differ. It's a LOT more than just "ratios." What's going on now is a whole different ball game than before.
Well, I guess it is called a "shift" of ...........????
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There are so many threads being hacked by posts being split off and plunked into OFFA, that I have a hard time keeping track of discussions.
Well. There are so many threads that had shifted off-topic. I figured it better off to split them into more appropriate chunks. The new stuff will stil rise to the top of active topics and you'll still be able to search for those posts through the search feature.
I agree that it has been difficult with the sheer magnitude of off-topic derailing that's been going on. But it was still easier to follow than the current situation. 'Cuz even with the derailment, one could still sift through or skip ahead to where the meat of the thread continued.
Now... threads are chopped up, posts removed elsewhere sans their original context, those threads split off once again, some different threads recombined into yet another split-off with two different conversations superimposed on top of one another... What a mess.
How do propose that the "search" feature is supposed to sift through all that? Please.
Moreover, what you determine to be "off-topic" may not be what someone else feels is "off-topic." Yet you are imposing your interpretation and judgment of what people are discussing onto the whole of the forum. You are and have been generally pretty fair-minded, but you are not omnipotent and all-seeing. There are bound to be times when you may make an egregious mistake.
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There are so many threads being hacked by posts being split off and plunked into OFFA, that I have a hard time keeping track of discussions.
Well. There are so many threads that had shifted off-topic. I figured it better off to split them into more appropriate chunks. The new stuff will stil rise to the top of active topics and you'll still be able to search for those posts through the search feature.
I agree that it has been difficult with the sheer magnitude of off-topic derailing that's been going on. But it was still easier to follow than the current situation. 'Cuz even with the derailment, one could still sift through or skip ahead to where the meat of the thread continued.
OK. I didn't split topics in two without regard. I selected posts that were on topic and left them. If it was a thread about apples and somebody started talking about oranges, i'll select the orange related posts only and start a new thread with that content. It's more organization than moderation (filing things in their appropriate place).
If a thread was unrecoverable (without extreme effort) as it was for the "dead insane in jail" thread, I cut off the on-topic beginning, leaving the rest. I then label that (general discussion) and work backwards reading and selecting off-topic posts for split into a new thread. Here' (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31223)s the thread's beginning. I'm sure you've seen the one labeled general dicussion around. Also, if I label something "general dicussion" it means that, within reason, the on-topic rule doesn't apply, but you probably figured that out by now since half of you would have gotten warnings.
Now... threads are chopped up, posts removed elsewhere sans their original context, those threads split off once again, some different threads recombined into yet another split-off with two different conversations superimposed on top of one another... What a mess.
heh heh. You were watching. there is a method to it.
How do propose that the "search" feature is supposed to sift through all that? Please.
Becuase you can search for the old thread title and the results will show (because the title on each post is based on the original thread and is not changed after transfer to the new thread.
Moreover, what you determine to be "off-topic" may not be what someone else feels is "off-topic." Yet you are imposing your interpretation and judgment of what people are discussing onto the whole of the forum. You are and have been generally pretty fair-minded, but you are not omnipotent and all-seeing. There are bound to be times when you may make an egregious mistake.
Absolutely, but the situation before with the derailing was out of control and these rules were necessary. I know full well i'm not perfect but just because the "law" isn't perfect doesn't mean we're better off without any "laws".
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Guys. Don't hate it just because Whooter likes it. And you, Whooter. You're ruining my image over here. Quit with the cheerleading.
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Well, of course Whooter likes it. He doesn't care whether his posts get shifted here or there, as long as they are still on fornits somewhere. His style of propaganda doesn't rely on having a rational argument and being able to make one's point via the back and forth from A to Z. His modus operandi is to occupy a certain percentage of presence here with a pseudo-civil persona that he hopes will contrast nicely with the impassioned outbursts he's able to goad out of others.
In fact, getting posts hacked out of threads and placed elsewhere works to his advantage. Can't seem to follow Whooter's argument? Well, that's not Whooter's fault or lack of logic. It's 'cuz Psy deemed that part of the conversation to be "off-topic" and has moved it elsewhere. Oh, well...
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In fact, getting posts hacked out of threads and placed elsewhere works to his advantage. Can't seem to follow Whooter's argument? Well, that's not Whooter's fault or lack of logic. It's 'cuz Psy deemed that part of the conversation to be "off-topic" and has moved it elsewhere. Oh, well...
That's a fair criticism, but I do read the posts to make sure they're not relevant to the topic before i split. If there is any relation to the original topic, i'll leave it. Otherwise, I split it so people who are looking for a Whooter argument can find it and people who want to read about what the topic says in the heading, can do so.
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I just want to thank Psy for all his hard work maintaining fornits, which is a thankless job. Thank you Psy, I appreciate all your hard work and efforts here to improve fornits. :notworthy:
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Guys. Don't hate it just because Whooter likes it. And you, Whooter. You're ruining my image over here. Quit with the cheerleading.
:roflmao:
Well, of course Whooter likes it. He doesn't care whether his posts get shifted here or there, as long as they are still on fornits somewhere. His style of propaganda doesn't rely on having a rational argument and being able to make one's point via the back and forth from A to Z. His modus operandi is to occupy a certain percentage of presence here with a pseudo-civil persona that he hopes will contrast nicely with the impassioned outbursts he's able to goad out of others.
In fact, getting posts hacked out of threads and placed elsewhere works to his advantage. Can't seem to follow Whooter's argument? Well, that's not Whooter's fault or lack of logic. It's 'cuz Psy deemed that part of the conversation to be "off-topic" and has moved it elsewhere. Oh, well...
WoW, here comes the all knowing condescending attitude, we all know and love from our great benevolent, "brother bear". My goodness, "Ursus", has spoken.
I will say, I do not agree with Ursus at all, because the old way, Ursus, could circumvent a post with his loyal horde anyway he wanted to. Ursus could reek havoc on anyone through his manipulative antics (one liners or short phrases) and subtlety attack posters, always feigning passiveness (no it wasn't me).
This way (moderation) your out there "brother bear" all by yourself.
The only thing Psy is doing IMO is removing the minutia from threads and making it possible for folks to follow a thread conversation.
Fornits is changing, as any change it ruffles feathers but in the course of this modification I believe we will be better. Especially to parents, children and other folks who come around looking for information or help. All the sock puppetry is definitely a big plus to be rid of. This should be no surprise to anyone, this change resembles the change concerning guest posting.
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There are so many threads being hacked by posts being split off and plunked into OFFA, that I have a hard time keeping track of discussions.
Well. There are so many threads that had shifted off-topic. I figured it better off to split them into more appropriate chunks. The new stuff will stil rise to the top of active topics and you'll still be able to search for those posts through the search feature.
I agree that it has been difficult with the sheer magnitude of off-topic derailing that's been going on. But it was still easier to follow than the current situation. 'Cuz even with the derailment, one could still sift through or skip ahead to where the meat of the thread continued.
OK. I didn't split topics in two without regard. I selected posts that were on topic and left them. If it was a thread about apples and somebody started talking about oranges, i'll select the orange related posts only and start a new thread with that content. It's more organization than moderation (filing things in their appropriate place).
If a thread was unrecoverable (without extreme effort) as it was for the "dead insane in jail" thread, I cut off the on-topic beginning, leaving the rest. I then label that (general discussion) and work backwards reading and selecting off-topic posts for split into a new thread. Here' (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31223)s the thread's beginning. I'm sure you've seen the one labeled general dicussion around. Also, if I label something "general dicussion" it means that, within reason, the on-topic rule doesn't apply, but you probably figured that out by now since half of you would have gotten warnings.
Now... threads are chopped up, posts removed elsewhere sans their original context, those threads split off once again, some different threads recombined into yet another split-off with two different conversations superimposed on top of one another... What a mess.
heh heh. You were watching. there is a method to it.
How do propose that the "search" feature is supposed to sift through all that? Please.
Becuase you can search for the old thread title and the results will show (because the title on each post is based on the original thread and is not changed after transfer to the new thread.
Moreover, what you determine to be "off-topic" may not be what someone else feels is "off-topic." Yet you are imposing your interpretation and judgment of what people are discussing onto the whole of the forum. You are and have been generally pretty fair-minded, but you are not omnipotent and all-seeing. There are bound to be times when you may make an egregious mistake.
Absolutely, but the situation before with the derailing was out of control and these rules were necessary. I know full well i'm not perfect but just because the "law" isn't perfect doesn't mean we're better off without any "laws".
Well... YOU may feel that you have been fair and read carefully before you go chop chop. And I'll grant you that you probably honestly do try to do the right thing. From my perspective, however, it doesn't feel like such a benign situation. I find it very difficult to follow threads now, and the concern that you will disrupt the discussion by hacking posts out of it does put a bit of a pall on my posting. Why even bother getting involved in a discussion that might get hacked to bits for being "off-topic?" Plus, no matter how careful you've been, there has been stuff that (I felt) was on-topic and pertinent which has been chopped out.
Incidentally, lots of very interesting and ultimately quite pertinent material has been posted by people on fornits over the years that would be considered "off-topic," in the stricter sense of the word. Some folks even have posting styles that only work that way. You could say that's how their brains are wired. You may be shutting down some valuable material by forcing such a literal and restrictive interpretation of thread titles.
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How do propose that the "search" feature is supposed to sift through all that? Please.
Becuase you can search for the old thread title and the results will show (because the title on each post is based on the original thread and is not changed after transfer to the new thread.
Nope. This does not work. Look at some of your "newly created" threads more carefully. I change the post title of more posts than I leave as is, and I am not the only one who does so. Those posts do not still carry the stamp of the original thread 'cuz they never did in the first place.
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I don’t think anyone enjoyed logging onto fornits and reading hours of TheWho is a liar, TheWho is John Reuben etc. No one really cares and if they do they can opt into the free for all thread.
Think about it from a new person’s perspective that comes to fornits. How long will they stay if they read about posters threatening to expose each other, posting IP numbers and writing emails to their family members to blackmail them into changing their posts. That is really harsh if you are a first time poster.
Most of this has died down and those who came to forints primarily for the drama, trolling and not contributing anything substantial have pretty much disappeared, have not visited as often or have moved to the “Free for all section”.
It is a much safer forum. Change takes time to embrace but I think you will see more newcomers once the threats and fighting have subsided.
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opting in is a pain in the ass
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Worse, without doubt.
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I believe moderation is good to discourage impersonation, whereabouts, lying, blackmail, and malevolent acts.
But as a whole, the culture and character of Fornits in terms of providing a safe harbor for survivors has eroded since 2006, but ...
The Ultimate Con Artist got exactly what he wanted... Moderated or unmoderated, this place is more defined by an industry shill than it ever was before. Fornits should change its name to the Whootie and the Suck Fish show.
I guess one could argue that responding to Whoot fuels the whole Whoot centered culture, but it is hard to ignore someone whose express purpose is to derail a whole site.
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I believe moderation is good to discourage impersonation, whereabouts, lying, blackmail, and malevolent acts.
But as a whole, the culture and character of Fornits in terms of providing a safe harbor for survivors has eroded since 2006, but ...
The Ultimate Con Artist got exactly what he wanted... Moderated or unmoderated, this place is more defined by an industry shill than it ever was before. Fornits should change its name to the Whootie and the Suck Fish show.
I guess one could argue that responding to Whoot fuels the whole Whoot centered culture, but it is hard to ignore someone whose express purpose is to derail a whole site.
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I believe moderation is good to discourage impersonation, whereabouts, lying, blackmail, and malevolent acts.
But as a whole, the culture and character of Fornits in terms of providing a safe harbor for survivors has eroded since 2006, but ...
The Ultimate Con Artist got exactly what he wanted... Moderated or unmoderated, this place is more defined by an industry shill than it ever was before. Fornits should change its name to the Whootie and the Suck Fish show.
I guess one could argue that responding to Whoot fuels the whole Whoot centered culture, but it is hard to ignore someone whose express purpose is to derail a whole site.
Why are you continuing the attacks, Samara? I made an honest attempt to explain why I had other user names.
Typically the ones who are so tough on others is because they hold the traits that they hate so much. Samara claims to have been posting since before 2006 but her Avatar shows she just joined May of this year. So either she is lying about having been posting here since 2005 or she has been posting as a guest and multiple log in names. Now that we have the moderated forum she is forced to log in under one name and she chose "Samara". But you could have been many of the other names who have been trolling me for years, Hmmm, which actually makes sense seeing the anger you have towards me. All those impersonations, lying and accepting or participating in Blackmail is starting to eat away at you and you cannot stand being just one person.
I think this is why you are so pissed off at me is because like Dysfunction Junction and Bruce your ability to troll has been severely cut back, but it is obvious that you still cannot control your need to attack people even if it means exposing your dark side which use to be your other sock puppets.
Interesting that it finally fits together, the pot calling the Kettle Black.
You can change you name to Samara but you cant change your ways. Your unrelenting attacks on me is what gave you away. You screwed up, Samara. You are two faced and you just got "outed".
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Yes, it is very intimidating and frustrating for the Fornits Elite, the trolling is over, no more sock puppetry, everyone has been "outed" or will be. We are on equal footing with them and they can not stand it.
So now it is Fornits sucks, were being hog tied, vital information is being confused/lost, bla bla bla.
IMO it is pretty simple, stop playing games here and this whole moderation thing should work out well for ya. Psy moderation experiment is very straight forward, it is meant to stop the manipulations of posters on threads, also to safeguard members here from unwarranted attacks and to encourage parents and kids to share here in a protective environment.
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Yes, it is very intimidating and frustrating for the Fornits Elite, the trolling is over, no more sock puppetry, everyone has been "outed" or will be. We are on equal footing with them and they can not stand it.
So now it is Fornits sucks, were being hog tied, vital information is being confused/lost, bla bla bla.
IMO it is pretty simple, stop playing games here and this whole moderation thing should work out well for ya. Psy moderation experiment is very straight forward, it is meant to stop the manipulations of posters on threads, also to safeguard members here from unwarranted attacks and to encourage parents and kids to share here in a protective environment.
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I hope that admin realizes that with all these new screwed up new rules it is detering the long time campaigners against the abusive program industry.. To be honest it seems as though Fornits has been bought out by an industry shill.. May as well put up a sign on the login page... "Under new ownership"... It is like taking a biker bar and turning it into a piano bar... ::puke::
To all my fellow friends who hate the industry just send me an IM and I will send you my email address and we can communicate that way. I am just going to sit back and be quiet and hope for a change back to a real equal footing, but we all know it's not going to happen... SELL OUTS !!!
Sincerely Botched
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I hope that admin realizes that with all these new screwed up new rules it is detering the long time campaigners against the abusive program industry.. To be honest it seems as though Fornits has been bought out by an industry shill.. May as well put up a sign on the login page... "Under new ownership"... It is like taking a biker bar and turning it into a piano bar... ::puke::
To all my fellow friends who hate the industry just send me an IM and I will send you my email address and we can communicate that way. I am just going to sit back and be quiet and hope for a change back to a real equal footing, but we all know it's not going to happen... SELL OUTS !!!
Sincerely Botched
Everyone is on equal ground, how does that give anyone person or group an advantage? Did you rely on multiple logins like most others here and now find your power stripped away? Do you need to reduce yourself to name calling or ganging up on people to be effective?
Its still a biker bar, Botched, but you just cant bust up the windows and break the bar stools anymore. Have a little respect for the forum. You can still curse, drink and spit on the floor but you cant call in your gang of cronies to beat up on one guy who disagrees with you because he doesn’t ride a Harley. Just ignore him and let him drink and speak his mind and speak your own mind.
All they are asking is to take the fight outside in the streets (Offa) so you dont disrupt the other peoples discussion.
Everyone is allowed their opinion as it should be. I dont see where there is a clear advantage for any one group with the new rules. Can you explain further?
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It is a much safer forum.
Really? For whom?
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It is a much safer forum.
Really? For whom?
I think for everyone. If you take away all the attacks on each other it becomes a safer place to open up and share your thoughts. Think of as walking into a building where once inside you see people beating the crap out of each other with blood everywhere. It wouldnt matter to the person walking in what the issue was that caused the fight. The fight itself would be enough to deter the person from staying longer or returning again.
Look at the main forum, Ursus, the discussion are more cordial and the attacks are subtle and rare. Once people become accustomed to speaking this way again (myself included) it will continue to get better and better.
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Once again I must say this place has become a piano bar.. Like it is owned by an industy shill.. It use to be a place where I could say pretty much what I wanted to about the bullshit that the industy does and be honest about the abuse that goes on in programs... But now it is like Pro-program people are the only ones who can say or do what they like...And again I have to say that Fornits sold out to the industry shills... Just my opinion.. Hope you guys like the new playground... And one further thought is the way it is being run is exactally the way a program does the children... Don't say nothing about the abuse here or you will be punished....... SELL OUTS !!!!!
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Once again I must say this place has become a piano bar.. Like it is owned by an industy shill.. It use to be a place where I could say pretty much what I wanted to about the bullshit that the industy does and be honest about the abuse that goes on in programs... But now it is like Pro-program people are the only ones who can say or do what they like...And again I have to say that Fornits sold out to the industry shills... Just my opinion.. Hope you guys like the new playground... And one further thought is the way it is being run is exactally the way a program does the children... Don't say nothing about the abuse here or you will be punished....... SELL OUTS !!!!!
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I definitely prefer this version better. I have found it a little difficult to shake off my old ways of being defensive on one hand and attacking the trolls who were constantly on me. Being constantly attacked and having people trying to figure out my identity and expose it changed the way I interacted here on fornits. The whole John Reuben thing was getting pretty intense there for awhile and the desperation to bring it to closure was making DJ a little crazy.
Now that the rules have changed Dysfunction Junction’s attacks have subsided and RobertBruce has been mostly confined to the “OFFA” forum.
Bottom line is that it has forced people to be more cordial to one another which lays the ground work for a healthier conversation and makes it safer for people to open up. I am hoping that we start to see more program parents and kids who had good experiences join the forum and stick around for more than a day or 2. This would balance out the conversations here.
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You know what I find priceless is how your screaming victim...I sat back and watched you insult people left and right but yet your the wounded one.I think you add to a huge problem here on Fornits because your in a fantasyland of the righteous. Oh you get attack my big fat behind..you instigate the hell out of many and run like a puss when they stand up to you. You need to grow up and stop donating money to fornits. :beat:
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Oh fornits is so unsafe.....well thats a load of crapola. Fornits allowed crazy moderators for years, favoritism, lack of compassion, and constant bolona...now they are crying omfg its out of control...Go back to 2002 when things were really nuts on here. Everyone got their baby feelings hurt , then duh stay off forums...Good God you people actually believe this is a reputable site???? It is basically laughed at highly by everyone normal in reality world. You all ran off the good people trust me. This place is a venting toliet thats about it. It is entertainment only.
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Yes, it is very intimidating and frustrating for the Fornits Elite, the trolling is over, no more sock puppetry, everyone has been "outed" or will be. We are on equal footing with them and they can not stand it.
So now it is Fornits sucks, were being hog tied, vital information is being confused/lost, bla bla bla.
IMO it is pretty simple, stop playing games here and this whole moderation thing should work out well for ya. Psy moderation experiment is very straight forward, it is meant to stop the manipulations of posters on threads, also to safeguard members here from unwarranted attacks and to encourage parents and kids to share here in a protective environment.
You have got to be the most two face piece of yard waste I have ever seen in my life. Well what more should I expect from an ex staffer.
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Once again I must say this place has become a piano bar.. Like it is owned by an industy shill.. It use to be a place where I could say pretty much what I wanted to about the bullshit that the industy does and be honest about the abuse that goes on in programs... But now it is like Pro-program people are the only ones who can say or do what they like...And again I have to say that Fornits sold out to the industry shills... Just my opinion.. Hope you guys like the new playground... And one further thought is the way it is being run is exactally the way a program does the children... Don't say nothing about the abuse here or you will be punished....... SELL OUTS !!!!!
AMEN
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There are so many threads being hacked by posts being split off and plunked into OFFA, that I have a hard time keeping track of discussions.
Well. There are so many threads that had shifted off-topic. I figured it better off to split them into more appropriate chunks. The new stuff will stil rise to the top of active topics and you'll still be able to search for those posts through the search feature.
So basically if noone has your opinions or your views they get shuffled over to OFFA??? That is basically what your doing. Agree wit PSY everyone in all your words or you will be shuffled over to OFFA or banned for freedom of speech. And who says what others says is not meaningful or right???? You and your high strung groupees?? Oh I am so sorry I did not prayer to you oh mighty Cyber God today. You turned this forum into a complete joke.
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Guys. Don't hate it just because Whooter likes it. And you, Whooter. You're ruining my image over here. Quit with the cheerleading.
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Ruined your image you did that yourself when you allowed crazy folk to run around without diapers for years, and have moderators that actually should be locked up in mental wards. Now you chastiZe Whooter? Oh that's right he is not part of the good ole click...where's Arron lately???
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There are so many threads being hacked by posts being split off and plunked into OFFA, that I have a hard time keeping track of discussions.
I agree you cannot even joke around on here without a thread being shifted, it is out of control and flat out ignorant.
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The funny thing about all of this is the admin is not even a real "survivor". He was a legal adult when he chose to sign himself into treatment, and could have literally walked out the door whenever he wanted. Even better, the US government footed the bill because his parents worked for uncle sam, so his choice to enter treatment was paid for courtesy of the US taxpayer. Somewhere there must be a distinction between who is a survivor and who isn't. Don't people wonder why the admin spends so much time trying to compare AA to programs? That's because in his experience of programs, it's the same as AA, a choice and something adults choose to do on their own free will. In other words, he is desperately trying to convince himself he is a victim of programs and AA because they somehow convinced him he needed treatment when he really did not.
I believe the line of definition for survivor should be cut off once you are a legal adult, and not under court order to stay at a program. If you had the option to leave at will, then you are no longer a victim of programs, you are only a victim of your own bad decision. I think we should have a vote, and banish this admin from the survivor community once and for all. Unless we want to let everyone who ever went to AA or rehab to be able to claim they are a survivor as well. I think we need to keep the term survivor dedicated to those who went to programs as underage youths, and not as adults on their own free will. It's time to consider keeping fornits pure from outside influences and only letting survivors post here. People complain about Whooter, but the ex staffers like troll control also create a lot of problems here by feeding into it. So I submit a plan that we ban everybody who is not a survivor. That means program parents, former program staffers, and people like Pile of Dead kids and Nihanthic. These are the people all the problems come from. Instead of destroying this site with dozens of rules, implement the one and only rule necessary to fix everything, survivors only.
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The funny thing about all of this is the admin is not even a real "survivor". He was a legal adult when he chose to sign himself into treatment, and could have literally walked out the door whenever he wanted. Even better, the US government footed the bill because his parents worked for uncle sam, so his choice to enter treatment was paid for courtesy of the US taxpayer. Somewhere there must be a distinction between who is a survivor and who isn't. Don't people wonder why the admin spends so much time trying to compare AA to programs? That's because in his experience of programs, it's the same as AA, a choice and something adults choose to do on their own free will. In other words, he is desperately trying to convince himself he is a victim of programs and AA because they somehow convinced him he needed treatment when he really did not.
I believe the line of definition for survivor should be cut off once you are a legal adult, and not under court order to stay at a program. If you had the option to leave at will, then you are no longer a victim of programs, you are only a victim of your own bad decision. I think we should have a vote, and banish this admin from the survivor community once and for all. Unless we want to let everyone who ever went to AA or rehab to be able to claim they are a survivor as well. I think we need to keep the term survivor dedicated to those who went to programs as underage youths, and not as adults on their own free will. It's time to consider keeping fornits pure from outside influences and only letting survivors post here. People complain about Whooter, but the ex staffers like troll control also create a lot of problems here by feeding into it. So I submit a plan that we ban everybody who is not a survivor. That means program parents, former program staffers, and people like Pile of Dead kids and Nihanthic. These are the people all the problems come from. Instead of destroying this site with dozens of rules, implement the one and only rule necessary to fix everything, survivors only.
Once again you hit the nail on the head..completely.
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Oh fornits is so unsafe.....Everyone got their baby feelings hurt , then duh stay off forums...
Exactly, Sharon, Its very clear to all of us that the ones who oppose the change in rules are the ones who relied on multiple sock-puppets to attack people. Botched, Samara, DJ, Bruce, PODKs etal are completely shut down and will have to change their ways and try to communicate on an adult level. So there is no downside there for the forum.
Besides Botched, Samara etal I dont see why anyone would be opposed to the new rules. The new rules eliminate the trolling, blackmailing, derailing and disruption which was running wild on this site. Unless you participated in these actions the rules will not effect you.
If you oppose the rules then you were part of the disruption and should think about why you need so much disruption in your lives.
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As long as no one deletes any Dr Fucktard posts, I'm happy.
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Exactly, Sharon, Its very clear to all of us that the ones who oppose the change in rules are the ones who relied on multiple sock-puppets to attack people. Botched, Samara, DJ, Bruce, PODKs etal are completely shut down and will have to change their ways and try to communicate on an adult level.
You need to include yourself with those people. Impersonating false parents and kids is not cool.
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As long as no one deletes any Dr Fucktard posts, I'm happy.
:cheers: :rocker: :tup: :tup: :tup:
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...the ones who relied on multiple sock-puppets to attack people.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
Rudy Bentz
Heal Online
Margaret Wilson
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Diddle
Robert Hess
Ajax13.
Tom K
Aghast.
Marion
:roflmao: :feedtrolls:
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lol, Oh no!!! What a shock!! Aliases
Sorry, Dysfunction Junction was disgraced and ran off, had to change his name. I am still here.
Your list doesnt work anymore because most of those aliases are yours and your not providing any links. No one buys it anymore.
Keep posting, though, Controlling Troll we all enjoy your work. Maybe add a few more names and get it up over a 100!! How about another thread about how you always logged in and never guest posted. That was classic. I wish I could have seen your face when we exposed you had 3,500 guest posts and 100's of aliases, lol. I can see why you changed your name.
Take care, DJ... Oh Wait!! your "Controlling Troll" now. Have Fun.
Whooter
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lol, Oh no!!! What a shock!! Aliases
Sorry, Dysfunction Junction was disgraced and ran off, had to change his name. I am still here.
Your list doesnt work anymore because most of those aliases are yours and your not providing any links. No one buys it anymore.
Keep posting, though, Controlling Troll we all enjoy your work. Maybe add a few more names and get it up over a 100!! How about another thread about how you always logged in and never guest posted. That was classic. I wish I could have seen your face when we exposed you had 3,500 guest posts and 100's of aliases, lol. I can see why you changed your name.
Take care, DJ... Oh Wait!! your "Controlling Troll" now. Have Fun.
Whooter
So, how many aliases did you create here?
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Whoot the D.A Lies again. I don't do sockpuppetry. It's a hassle. I am comfortable posting my beliefs, don't need to take on multiple personalities. It is very strange to be attacked and lied about by someone who makes false accusations. The Who has no conscience and no shame and neither do the people who support his antics.
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I am comfortable posting my beliefs, don't need to take on multiple personalities.
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He does it for marketing though.
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Oh fornits is so unsafe.....Everyone got their baby feelings hurt , then duh stay off forums...
Exactly, Sharon, Its very clear to all of us that the ones who oppose the change in rules are the ones who relied on multiple sock-puppets to attack people. Botched, Samara, DJ, Bruce, PODKs etal are completely shut down and will have to change their ways and try to communicate on an adult level. So there is no downside there for the forum.
Besides Botched, Samara etal I dont see why anyone would be opposed to the new rules. The new rules eliminate the trolling, blackmailing, derailing and disruption which was running wild on this site. Unless you participated in these actions the rules will not effect you.
If you oppose the rules then you were part of the disruption and should think about why you need so much disruption in your lives.
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Whooter you are out of you mutha- fucking mind... Never had sock puppet... Must be feeling guilty about yours.. Hey I don't mind letting PSY link my posts... No fucking skeletons in my closet bitch...I am for real and say what's on my mind and don't care who who know's its me !!!! So get over your damn self... LOL :seg:
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I must give props when they are due. Whooter has done alot of damage here. He has proven himself to be resilient as hell and no dummy either. A much more cunning and skilled manipulator/liar than Maxit. Whooter doesn't care if it takes a decade to pull off a scam, he will stick with it until the job is done. Normally I could respect that kind of committment from somebody but not in this case. What he has managed to accomplish here is sickening to me. It was one thing when Whoot was just trolling and kind of being a voice in the wilderness here. He made for good target practice, but as people dropped away he became the dominant voice here. That is sad and I wish more folks would come back.
As for Maxit, she is a full blown sociopathic personality on display for all who wish to see. Her infamous blackmail scam awhile back I offer as plentiful evidence of this. I promise you people, she does this shit everywhere she goes. Lying for fun and the feeling of power that people with her disorder feel when they get one over on the rest of us. She represents the reason that we build prisons. She would do very well as a phone-scam confidence artist ripping off grannies pension checks and such. Low life trash.
Danny carries alot of blame for the lack of more posters here, as well. His childish behavior on the forums provoked similar responses out of people like me. BTW I aint ashamed of the shit I said to Danny or any of the rest of you sorry mf'ers. My only regret is that i couldn't reach through this fuckin comp screen and get my hands around your sleazy throats. I fought back in the ways I could but the voices of BS were much too prolific. Danny even allowed multiple users to post under his own name!
Anyway congrats to the victors. I hope your victory is short lived. I hope people will come back here and Whoot/Maxit/Danny will one again be a tiny minority. I will stick around to see what happens.
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Whoot the D.A Lies again. I don't do sockpuppetry. It's a hassle. I am comfortable posting my beliefs, don't need to take on multiple personalities. It is very strange to be attacked and lied about by someone who makes false accusations. The Who has no conscience and no shame and neither do the people who support his antics.
I dont need them either, Samara. 99% of the time I posted under my user name or guest posted. I know exactly how you feel. I have been attacked and lied about for years myself.
You jump to conclusions and attack people, Samara. I noticed that you mentioned that you have been posting here for 5 years yet your avatar says you have only been here a few months. So I can jump to conclusions just like you. You say you dont do sockpuppetry. DJ said he never guest posted or had any other aliases and it turns out he had 3,500 guest posts under other names when we exposed him.
So why should I believe you?
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Whooter you are out of you mutha- fucking mind... Never had sock puppet... Must be feeling guilty about yours.. Hey I don't mind letting PSY link my posts... No fucking skeletons in my closet bitch...I am for real and say what's on my mind and don't care who who know's its me !!!! So get over your damn self... LOL :seg:
So then why dont you want a forum with no Sock-puppets then? lol Why does it bother you so much?
If you explain why you dont like it and why it gives one person and advantage over another maybe I will understand.
Did I accidentally hit a nerve? See what I mean?
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Guys. Don't hate it just because Whooter likes it. And you, Whooter. You're ruining my image over here. Quit with the cheerleading.
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Ruined your image you did that yourself when you allowed crazy folk to run around without diapers for years, and have moderators that actually should be locked up in mental wards. Now you chastiZe Whooter? Oh that's right he is not part of the good ole click...where's Arron lately???
Busy with work, something you probably wouldn't know anything about now would you?
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I dont need them either, Samara. 99% of the time I posted under my user name or guest posted.
That makes the difference. You post(ed) under "guest", praising programs as someone other than you, trying to make it seem that you're a kid who loved the program or a parent that lauds them. Just because you didn't give yourself a different username (after anon posting was disabled), doesn't mean you didn't take advantage of anonymous posting. You're a marketer and I have to give you credit there....you do a great job of spinning, which is what marketers do.
So, how many aliases did you create?
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I dont need them either, Samara. 99% of the time I posted under my user name or guest posted.
So, how many aliases did you create?
I created and posted as "RobertBruce." (with a dot) I only made 1 post under that name. After someone posted as me "TheWHo."
I created posted as "Mark DeGroot" (a few posts, I would guess 3). This was in response to Dysfunction junction posting as "Mark DeGroot" as a write in guest. It was actually really funny.
The others were the political figures I used just recently... Sarah Palin,Al Gore etc. . These were in jest and the readers, I believe knew that they were aliases.
It is possible there was one other but I dont think so. So no harm done in my opinion. It wasnt like I had these sock puppets that I used all the time. Most people know that I post enough under Whooter and speak my mind. I used aliases mostly to shake off the trolls.
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I created and posted as "RobertBruce." (with a dot) I only made 1 post under that name. After someone posted as me "TheWHo."
I created posted as "Mark DeGroot" (a few posts, I would guess 3). This was in response to Dysfunction junction posting as "Mark DeGroot" as a write in guest. It was actually really funny.
The others were the political figures I used just recently... Sarah Palin,Al Gore etc. . These were in jest and the readers, I believe knew that they were aliases.
It is possible there was one other but I dont think so. So no harm done in my opinion. It wasnt like I had these sock puppets that I used all the time. Most people know that I post enough under Whooter and speak my mind. I used aliases mostly to shake off the trolls.
That may be true, but your "guest" posts were quite different from what I recall.
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For those of you who missed it Max/SUCKIT responded to my previous post and then immediately deleted what she posted. The above is all that was left. Her original post was extremly angry and she told me to "go fuck myself". I was discussing her behavior here and how it is a direct result of her apparent sociopathic personality disorder. This post must have really gotten to her and I am very very very very glad about that. I will continue to post my comments concerning the character (or lack thereof) of Maxit. By her previous posts she has admitted to alot and I mean ALOT of criminal behavior. She has caused incredible misery to her family. She should hang her head in shame and quietly mourn her behavior. Accept full responsibility for her actions instead of blaming it on her "addiction".
Addiction is an excuse for criminal behavior for program people. It was the "disease" that made her do all those horrible things to her family. Right Maxit?
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For those of you who missed it Max/SUCKIT responded to my previous post and then immediately deleted what she posted. The above is all that was left. Her original post was extremly angry and she told me to "go fuck myself". I was discussing her behavior here and how it is a direct result of her apparent sociopathic personality disorder. This post must have really gotten to her and I am very very very very glad about that. I will continue to post my comments concerning the character (or lack thereof) of Maxit. By her previous posts she has admitted to alot and I mean ALOT of criminal behavior. She has caused incredible misery to her family. She should hang her head in shame and quietly mourn her behavior. Accept full responsibility for her actions instead of blaming it on her "addiction".
Addiction is an excuse for criminal behavior for program people. It was the "disease" that made her do all those horrible things to her family. Right Maxit?
That seems to be a habit with him/her. Especially when he/she starts a thread, then doesn't like the responses. I asked him/her why and never did get an answer. Perfect example here....
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31245&start=0 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31245&start=0)
It started out as "Troubled teens = troubled adults?" but you didn't like the responses you were getting so you changed it to "Post your favorite thing about programs". So, what's the thread topic today?
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I created and posted as "RobertBruce." (with a dot) I only made 1 post under that name. After someone posted as me "TheWHo."
I created posted as "Mark DeGroot" (a few posts, I would guess 3). This was in response to Dysfunction junction posting as "Mark DeGroot" as a write in guest. It was actually really funny.
The others were the political figures I used just recently... Sarah Palin,Al Gore etc. . These were in jest and the readers, I believe knew that they were aliases.
It is possible there was one other but I dont think so. So no harm done in my opinion. It wasnt like I had these sock puppets that I used all the time. Most people know that I post enough under Whooter and speak my mind. I used aliases mostly to shake off the trolls.
That may be true, but your "guest" posts were quite different from what I recall.
I didnt spend hundreds of posts pretending to be parents or kids if that is what you mean. If I was being trolled or thought someone like DJ was posing as a parent or child than I would counter his post and I would post as a child or parent. But that was extremely rare and intended to shake off someone on my tail.
I posted exclusively as a guest for a long time. Do you recall "Deborah" marking all my posts with the guy in the "red hat" or this :guesswho: trying to expose my posts? Everyone knew it was me and they were not bad posts or intended to hurt anyone. I was just carrying on a conversation as a guest because "TheWho" was being attacked every time it was used.
Out of all the thousands of posts I made there were a few that I would like to take back. The rest I am comfortable with and made sense at the time. I didnt crap all over the forum with filth to the point I had to change my name when they were exposed like DJ did.
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I created and posted as "RobertBruce." (with a dot) I only made 1 post under that name. After someone posted as me "TheWHo."
I created posted as "Mark DeGroot" (a few posts, I would guess 3). This was in response to Dysfunction junction posting as "Mark DeGroot" as a write in guest. It was actually really funny.
The others were the political figures I used just recently... Sarah Palin,Al Gore etc. . These were in jest and the readers, I believe knew that they were aliases.
It is possible there was one other but I dont think so. So no harm done in my opinion. It wasnt like I had these sock puppets that I used all the time. Most people know that I post enough under Whooter and speak my mind. I used aliases mostly to shake off the trolls.
That may be true, but your "guest" posts were quite different from what I recall.
Yep. Moreover, I can recall a number of posts, conversing with one another in a Rudy Bentz thread, which were clearly intended to convey the impression that there were several different Rudy Bentz supporters involved in the discussion. And yet ... they were all TheWho.
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. This post must have really gotten to her and I am very very very very glad about that.
Congratulations, you are a troll. Now you resort to making up quotes from me? Wow, you really need to find a new hobby rather than obsess about me. Get a life.
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I created and posted as "RobertBruce." (with a dot) I only made 1 post under that name. After someone posted as me "TheWHo."
I created posted as "Mark DeGroot" (a few posts, I would guess 3). This was in response to Dysfunction junction posting as "Mark DeGroot" as a write in guest. It was actually really funny.
The others were the political figures I used just recently... Sarah Palin,Al Gore etc. . These were in jest and the readers, I believe knew that they were aliases.
It is possible there was one other but I dont think so. So no harm done in my opinion. It wasnt like I had these sock puppets that I used all the time. Most people know that I post enough under Whooter and speak my mind. I used aliases mostly to shake off the trolls.
That may be true, but your "guest" posts were quite different from what I recall.
Yep. Moreover, I can recall a number of posts, conversing with one another in a Rudy Bentz thread, which were clearly intended to convey the impression that there were several different Rudy Bentz supporters involved in the discussion. And yet ... they were all TheWho.
I dont recall that at all, but it is easy enough to find out. Just run a search on Rudy Benz and pull up the conversation. I would be willing to discuss it with you when you find the posts you are talking about.
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That seems to be a habit with him/her. Especially when he/she starts a thread, then doesn't like the responses. I asked him/her why and never did get an answer. Perfect example here....
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31245&start=0 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31245&start=0)
It started out as "Troubled teens = troubled adults?" but you didn't like the responses you were getting so you changed it to "Post your favorite thing about programs". So, what's the thread topic today?
I'm sure you'll get over it, Anne Bonney. Some of you take this forum so seriously and obsess over other people, I think you might suffer from mental illness, you and shaggy should go admit yourself to the local psych bin, because its not healthy.
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Whooter you are out of you mutha- fucking mind... Never had sock puppet... Must be feeling guilty about yours.. Hey I don't mind letting PSY link my posts... No fucking skeletons in my closet bitch...I am for real and say what's on my mind and don't care who who know's its me !!!! So get over your damn self... LOL :seg:
So then why dont you want a forum with no Sock-puppets then? lol Why does it bother you so much?
If you explain why you dont like it and why it gives one person and advantage over another maybe I will understand.
Did I accidentally hit a nerve? See what I mean?
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I need not explain myself to you..Would be like casting pearls before a swine...You would only try to ridacule anything that I would say where as another survivor would understand...
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I think there might be some double voting going on in this thread, with people with multiple usernames voting more than once. 18 people is more than the number of people who post here, normally. Which is kind of funny if you think about it. Out of the tens of thousands who have been in programs, only a dozen show up here to claim it was bad. What's that in percentages? Like 0.0000001% or something? I'll leave that one to the math whizzes among us.
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I need not explain myself to you..Would be like casting pearls before a swine...You would only try to ridacule anything that I would say where as another survivor would understand...
Sorry, I dont buy it, Botched. I have explained myself many times here on fornits knowing only another program parent would understand. Yes I was ridiculed for it many times and knew I would be ridiculed before I spoke out. but I still tried to explain my actions for what it was worth. If you are not man enough then so be it. But dont expect others to understand when you take pot shots at other people, reject their explanations and cry about the new rules without explaining yourself.
The new rules eliminate the use of sock puppets and personal attacks. If that is a problem then there is "the open free for all" where you can dump your anger and log in as you wish. Many people gave me a hard time because I had logged in under other names. With the opposition to these new rules it has become very apparent that most regulars here had multiple log ins also or why would they object to the change?
See what I mean?
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It is a much safer forum.
Really? For whom?
For the parents and children who may now want to post here, Oh did you forget them.
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It is a much safer forum.
Really? For whom?
For the parents and children who may now want to post here, Oh did you forget them.
Yeah right.... They get to see you spew your vile nasty attitude and show what kind of behavior that the programs teach people... Keep up the good work Danny-Boi
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It is a much safer forum.
Really? For whom?
For the parents and children who may now want to post here, Oh did you forget them.
Yeah right.... They get to see you spew your vile nasty attitude and show what kind of behavior that the programs teach people... Keep up the good work Danny-Boi
Funny that is not what parents and kids are telling me. They sure see you out there, though.
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I think there might be some double voting going on in this thread, with people with multiple usernames voting more than once.
Yep. I noticed that the pro-moderation vote number jumped from 5 to 8 this morning, in the space of very little time indeed. There was almost no one on during that time...
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I must give props when they are due. Whooter has done alot of damage here. He has proven himself to be resilient as hell and no dummy either. A much more cunning and skilled manipulator/liar than Maxit. Whooter doesn't care if it takes a decade to pull off a scam, he will stick with it until the job is done. Normally I could respect that kind of committment from somebody but not in this case. What he has managed to accomplish here is sickening to me. It was one thing when Whoot was just trolling and kind of being a voice in the wilderness here. He made for good target practice, but as people dropped away he became the dominant voice here. That is sad and I wish more folks would come back.
As for Maxit, she is a full blown sociopathic personality on display for all who wish to see. Her infamous blackmail scam awhile back I offer as plentiful evidence of this. I promise you people, she does this shit everywhere she goes. Lying for fun and the feeling of power that people with her disorder feel when they get one over on the rest of us. She represents the reason that we build prisons. She would do very well as a phone-scam confidence artist ripping off grannies pension checks and such. Low life trash.
Danny carries alot of blame for the lack of more posters here, as well. His childish behavior on the forums provoked similar responses out of people like me. BTW I aint ashamed of the shit I said to Danny or any of the rest of you sorry mf'ers. My only regret is that i couldn't reach through this fuckin comp screen and get my hands around your sleazy throats. I fought back in the ways I could but the voices of BS were much too prolific. Danny even allowed multiple users to post under his own name!
Anyway congrats to the victors. I hope your victory is short lived. I hope people will come back here and Whoot/Maxit/Danny will one again be a tiny minority. I will stick around to see what happens.
Shaggy, the first post was a very angry one, so it was deleted, if someone caught it before it was deleted then I am sorry for the harsh words.
I will not respond to much to this foolish post other then to say, stop being so close minded.
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I think there might be some double voting going on in this thread, with people with multiple usernames voting more than once.
Yep. I noticed that the pro-moderation vote number jumped from 5 to 8 this morning, in the space of very little time indeed. There was almost no one on during that time...
The pro programmies deleting there cookies and revoting ::puke::
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I've voted numerous times for both yes and no. :twofinger:
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I need not explain myself to you..Would be like casting pearls before a swine...You would only try to ridacule anything that I would say where as another survivor would understand...
So, okay, just for grins lets assume it is not the Sock-puppetry. The only other reason is that you need to have the ability to spew hatred upon those who disagree with you and attack them versus exchanging ideas. Do you really need to outnumber the other person in order to communicate with them? Why the gang mentality then?
Why not be happy with a forum which accepts everyone equally and doesn't hold one opinion above the other?
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I've voted numerous times for both yes and no. :twofinger:
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Oh, I'd wager that Whooter and his sock puppets are probably responsible for most of the pro-moderation votes. ;D
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We all know there is not 23 individual posters that come here (more proof programs are safe). We definitely got some voter fraud going on here. I am going to have to request an intervention by the panel of moderators to look into voter corruption and see what is going on here.
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I've voted numerous times for both yes and no. :twofinger:
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Oh, I'd wager that Whooter and his sock puppets are probably responsible for most of the pro-moderation votes. ;D
Come on Ursus, there are 10 no's. We all know that that only ones who would be aginst sock-puppetry would be Samara, Botched,PODKs, Trolling Dysfuntion and Bruce. Thats 5 and you are against it from what I have read (but I cannot figure out why).. So that is 6.
Who else that you know of would support to continue the sock-puppet forum? Not anyone. so they must have voted twice.
so that actually makes it 12 to 5.
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I've voted numerous times for both yes and no. :twofinger:
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Oh, I'd wager that Whooter and his sock puppets are probably responsible for most of the pro-moderation votes. ;D
Come on Ursus, there are 10 no's. We all know that that only ones who would be aginst sock-puppetry would be Samara, Botched,PODKs, Trolling Dysfuntion and Bruce. Thats 5 and you are against it from what I have read (but I cannot figure out why).. So that is 6.
Who else that you know of would support to continue the sock-puppet forum? Not anyone. so they must have voted twice.
so that actually makes it 12 to 5.
What you should be thinking about is the anti-censorship and anti-banning crowd, which is not insignificant, even given the substantial arsenal of puppets at your fingertips... :D
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I've voted numerous times for both yes and no. :twofinger:
:rofl: :rofl:
Oh, I'd wager that Whooter and his sock puppets are probably responsible for most of the pro-moderation votes. ;D
Come on Ursus, there are 10 no's. We all know that that only ones who would be aginst sock-puppetry would be Samara, Botched,PODKs, Trolling Dysfuntion and Bruce. Thats 5 and you are against it from what I have read (but I cannot figure out why).. So that is 6.
Who else that you know of would support to continue the sock-puppet forum? Not anyone. so they must have voted twice.
so that actually makes it 12 to 5.
What you should be thinking about is the anti-censorship and anti-banning crowd, which is not insignificant, even given the substantial arsenal of puppets at your fingertips... :D
Hmmm... Good point, I could organize my Sockpuppets and tip the scales!! Not that it makes any difference anyway. But that is just what you want me to do so that I would break the rules and get banned by Psy. Nice try, but I will stick to my single vote for now.
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I don't see any point to voting. You can still come here and spew any kind of nonsense you want. What has really changed,anything?
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I don't see any point to voting. You can still come here and spew any kind of nonsense you want. What has really changed,anything?
Exactly, I have been scratching my head as to why anyone would be against the change. Why do so many people want the sock-puppets and personal attacks back again. Cant Samara, Botched and the rest live without multiple aliases and attacking people to get their point across?
People have voted against it but were never honest enough to say why? Does anyone else find it strange?
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I've voted numerous times for both yes and no. :twofinger:
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We all know there is not 23 individual posters that come here (more proof programs are safe). We definitely got some voter fraud going on here. I am going to have to request an intervention by the panel of moderators to look into voter corruption and see what is going on here.
Yeah, you do that.Let us know how that worked out.
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We all know there is not 23 individual posters that come here (more proof programs are safe). We definitely got some voter fraud going on here. I am going to have to request an intervention by the panel of moderators to look into voter corruption and see what is going on here.
Yeah, you do that.Let us know how that worked out.
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Maybe it's just me, but there seem to be an awful lot of posts yanked out of threads willy nilly, often ones which are at least partially "on topic," as far as *I* am concerned... It also seems like certain folk are being targeted more than others.
I say this on behalf of posts that I agree with as well as posts that I really do not. It's beginning to feel like Censor City.
Jes' saying... I think this "moderation thing" can easily be taken too far...
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Maybe it's just me, but there seem to be an awful lot of posts yanked out of threads willy nilly, often ones which are at least partially "on topic," as far as *I* am concerned... It also seems like certain folk are being targeted more than others.
I say this on behalf of posts that I agree with as well as posts that I really do not. It's beginning to feel like Censor City.
Jes' saying... I think this "moderation thing" can easily be taken too far...
Just like my last post
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Moderation or censoreship? WTF? The new (rookie) sheriff has nothing to do.
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I'm still missing a post from a few minutes ago.WTF???
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keeper, I don't get this stupid game. You seem to have your own agenda in all this.
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I didn't see a box to vote for HELL FUCKING NO! So I'm not voting.
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I didn't see a box to vote for HELL FUCKING NO! So I'm not voting.
There is a box for plain ol' "No." ;)
Of course, the whole vote is a joke, given that at least half of the "yes" votes are probably Whooter's sock puppets... But that's kinda the way it's always been 'round here! :D
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I didn't see a box to vote for HELL FUCKING NO! So I'm not voting.
There is a box for plain ol' "No." ;)
Of course, the whole vote is a joke, given that at least half of the "yes" votes are probably Whooter's sock puppets... But that's kinda the way it's always been 'round here! :D
When in doubt blame Whooter.
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