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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: SurvivorEMSR on October 01, 2003, 12:15:00 PM
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Wow, Pathway seems to have come up with a new web-site, but wait, the new web-site contains even less information than the previous one. The staff link is very vague and informative. We are no longer told what qualifications staff members have. For God's sake, when I was in PFC, Scott, who was my therapist, had a bachelor's level education and no CAC! Let me repeat, he was my DRUG therapist.
They also have posted under "Our Staff" "Peer counselors who are graduates." Counselors??? What the Hell? There is a little asterisk by the title that surprisingly contains no footnote.
Hey, and what do you know. There bull-shit success rate hasn't changed either. Presently clean and sober 82%??? Bull-shit. Liars
Anyway, just thought I would fill you guys in. Check out the site. http://www.pfcenter.homestead.com (http://www.pfcenter.homestead.com)
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I recently had a buddy return to PFC to check it out. He said there were even less clients there than when I went back a couple of months ago.
He informed me that there were very few guy-side (I don't recal how many), and three, yes three, girls. Haha.
I'm sick and tired of this shit. Let's do away with them. I know I have been uninvolved the last few weeks, but now I'm fired up again. Look out PFC!!! EMSR
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http://pfcenter.homestead.com/PFCSuccess.html (http://pfcenter.homestead.com/PFCSuccess.html)
Go to this site. PFC claims to have a 10% relapse rate. But wait again!!! Right above that stat is a percentage that says only 49% havn't used drugs since discharge. This doesn't seem to add up correctly. Any mathematicians out there? EMSR
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Sounds like they're going through their last throws. Nice work, guys! You never know just exactly what the impact of free speech is. But it sure seems to cure cultism like a regular dose of bread mold cures bacterial infection!
Not a place upon earth might be so happy as America. Her situation is remote from all the wrangling world, and she has nothing to do but to trade with them.
--Thomas Paine
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wow, i just took a quick look at the new pathway website. i went directly to the comments by the parents and the "current" clients. i cant speak about the parent one's since i dont really remember their first names, but the client's comments i think is a riot!!! they are all former clients, some are even pulls, and more than half of them are not clean and sober by pathways terms.and then the rest of them hate pathway and think what they do is bullshit. i read kathy's letter back to you Ed, and i agree with you. my counsilor in Indy didnt have a masters degree or a certification to be a drug counsilor. she was still working on obtaining while she was "theriputically" treating me for my problems that she had no fucking idea what she was talking about.
the indykid,
chris It has ever been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues
--Abraham Lincoln
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Gee its a shame that parents were sucked into believing that pathway was the last chance for thier kids, and the price WOW :evil: Plus the billing office sucks too know one knows how to do the billing gosh ya think anyone over there knows what the hell they are supposed to do, and we parent leave our children in the hands of these people.I'm sorry I ever heard of pathway and thank god my kid is doing ok and she will never go back to that place, I feel bad for all those kids.
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When will it end? I'm telling yu I just get more and more disgusted BY the day.
I just viewed the new pathway site and I'm going to make a number of points that have either gone unspoken or unnoticed by others.
The success rate is obviously not accurate not to mention that the study done by the University of Detroit Mercy doctor (and not to mention long time pathway supporter), Dr. John Franklin but former counselor Lauren Hecht was also a student and brought sme of her "Supposedly Anonymous" clients into her class and had a little show and tell and made clients tell their stories to a classroom full of people. Could it be possible the success rate was a litte biased??
Second, I looked at the photos and clients must have broken so many rules in those photos tey were outside without supervision( I never even got to go outside) and they broke physical contact in the pictres.
Pathway states they have a medical doctor on staff, what they dont tell you is that you see him once a week if that, not to mention that regardless of your ailment Ibuprofin was your solution. Maybe some advil cold and sinus if youre really lucky.
They also told myself and my parents that I would recieve high school credits for my time in pathway. never got them and had to work three times as hard as I would've had I gotten those credits.
I find the funniest one of them all to be this doosie. Terri Nissley, your finely respected leader of the brainwash camp, and federal tax evading, BMW driving , beast of a bitch is referred to as, "President and CEO (also a graduate parent)" Yep graduate parent alright parent from a program that was shut down by your very own american government. That's right folks STRAIGHT-DETROIT.
KISS MY ASS PFC.
I WILL END EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR CAREERS JUST KEEP PUSHING YOUR LIES. KARMA EXISTS AND ITS A BITCH!! PEACE :smokin: --SMITH
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Oh, it's not that no one noticed. It's just that no one was surprised. Same shit, different corporate logo all the way back to the `70's.
I don't know what to tell ya', Smith, except one silly little thing that finally sunk into my head after years and years. The world is a messed up place full of mostly messed up people. Keep an eye out for the cool ones and nurture those relationships.
If you want to really effect PFC, take a few of the most noxious points from their marketing materials and write a brief, documentable refutation then print that out as a flyer and go hand them out just off the property at OM and, more importantly, at recruiting events. Or try to gain access either as a speaker or as an atendee to some of those events. Or see if you can get course credit at school for an essay or study on the industry.
The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.
--Albert Einstein, My First Impression of the U.S.A., 1921
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We are also trying to get the credits for writing and psychology that pathway told us we would have. Terri Nissley is an accountant and evaded taxes with an Amway business. Definately into making money
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On the new site all the testimonials are from when? These people weren't there in the last year and a half and one of the clients copped out. The success rates were done from a one time survey!!!!! no new one has been done. and be assured that peer staff are doing all the groups. The after care person is a therapists daughter, I guess since she was a client and and learned so much psychology from her mother that she is qualified. What bull shit.
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"and be assured that peer staff are doing all the groups"
der...well i agree with alot of what is said here, well some of it anyway. but "be assured" that peerstaff defenitly does not do all the groups.
Basics,and 4-6 on monday and friday is about it there pal, so i hope you get your facts straight before you go and bash something
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please,all the people that still worry about pathway and bad mouth it... GET A FUCKING LIFE.
its pretty pathetic. i am sorry you had a bad time with pathway but let it go. you suck.
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Feeling a bit defensive? Really sounds like your alma brainwashing camp mater is on the endangered list. :rofl:
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You are one of the reasons why talking about Pathway and other treatment abuse can't be let go. You are a raging and angry person and I'm sure it isn't just at us. Pathway never dealt with anger and rage. It couldn't. It would make you repress that as a "character defect" yea, an essential emotion repressed even more. Being angry is necessary but continued hostility speaks of a deep, deep problem.
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RAMPARTO, yu have a private message.
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You too. But your email address bounced.
The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism.
--William Osler
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you fucking suck
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On 2003-10-01 09:15:00, SurvivorEMSR wrote:
"Wow, Pathway seems to have come up with a new web-site, but wait, the new web-site contains even less information than the previous one. The staff link is very vague and informative. We are no longer told what qualifications staff members have. For God's sake, when I was in PFC, Scott, who was my therapist, had a bachelor's level education and no CAC! Let me repeat, he was my DRUG therapist.
They also have posted under "Our Staff" "Peer counselors who are graduates." Counselors??? What the Hell? There is a little asterisk by the title that surprisingly contains no footnote.
Hey, and what do you know. There bull-shit success rate hasn't changed either. Presently clean and sober 82%??? Bull-shit. Liars
Anyway, just thought I would fill you guys in. Check out the site. http://www.pfcenter.homestead.com (http://www.pfcenter.homestead.com)"
Have you seen the data? Or are you just a little bit bitter. Maybe if you moved on with your life you wouldn't be so angry.
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what current data? there hasn't been any.
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I agree with the Anonymous person above. You all need to get a life. Sorry that things didn't work out for you and you didn't resolve very many of your issues (especially anger). Here is some advice; turn off your computer, stop bitching about things that you have no control over and GET OVER IT. The world does NOT revolve around you and your problems and I will not feel sorry for you. There are tons of people out there who have had loved ones die because of drug and alcohol abuse, and I for one will never look down on an organization that tries to help that statistic decrease.
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On 2005-07-25 12:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I agree with the Anonymous person above. You all need to get a life. Sorry that things didn't work out for you and you didn't resolve very many of your issues (especially anger). Here is some advice; turn off your computer, stop bitching about things that you have no control over and GET OVER IT. The world does NOT revolve around you and your problems and I will not feel sorry for you. There are tons of people out there who have had loved ones die because of drug and alcohol abuse, and I for one will never look down on an organization that tries to help that statistic decrease."
Apparently your life is spent on the computer as well since you are posting on this site!