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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 29, 2003, 05:35:00 PM
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I heard that Farrah had her son at a WWASPS program to. Ryan O'niell got him out. That is what I heard, does anyone have any information on this.
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What is your purpose in asking?
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Just curious after digging. the findings are amzaing. Just imagine if we could find him and have him speak out about what happened.
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Why? So you can use this poor kid (instead of your own ex-WWASPS kids) to further your agenda? You people are sickening and I feel sorry for anyone that ends up in your web of deception because they are only being victimized again.
::puke::
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Hmm, I wonder if we could get in touch with him. Don't get your hopes up too high, though. Even private citizens often don't want to go public with this sort of thing for a lot of good reasons. Farrah's son would have ten times as many good reasons to not want to go about it that way. But ya' never know. No harm in letting him know what's going on and find out if he wants to pitch in, if we could get ahold of him.
How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate, they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to.
George Orwell, 1984
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FYI - Ryan and Farrah got a lot out of this program and have nothing but praise. He's a good friend of one of the seminar facilitators. So....go for it! :rofl: :wave:
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P.S. - there are a LOT of celebrities that have taken a stand for their child's life and their family - and admitted to a wwasps school. Sorry, confidentiality - :wave:
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If it is all so confidential how do you know?
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"Confidentiality", the way a child molester tells the kid not to tell because they will get in trouble.
As has been pointed out often on this board, WWASP and other Programs have demonstrated that they have no problem violating their so-called confidenitality with their inmates.
They use confidentiality as an excuse to hide both their tactics and to keep their prisoners isolated from the outside world. To keep the media out as well.
If you sue your abusers or attempt to have them prosecuted, you better know that they will gleefully use anything you have told them while you were imprisoned against you.
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I heard he was at casa by the sea.
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On 2003-09-29 18:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"FYI - Ryan and Farrah got a lot out of this program and have nothing but praise. He's a good friend of one of the seminar facilitators. So....go for it! :rofl: :wave: "
Yeah, that's what they all say. Don't look now, but the kid's 18 now and probably has nothing to fear from the program "guarantee".The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": 1. fighting; 2. fleeing; 3.feeding; and 4. mating.
-- Psychology professor in neuropsychology intro course
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last I heard he was sent to a mental health facility in the Bay area after mom took after his drug pusher?
He had a hard time in Casa and definately would have a story tell- if he would?
The Enquirer reported that Ryan and Farrah went to visit him and Ryan said lets go...Farrah put up a stink and he drove away with Redmond and left her there...
later they said they were "together again" and she was taking care of him (Ryan) with cancer
poor kid raised in an atmoshpere like he was and then told...but you can't do drugs- must be only for grownups huh?
maybe he'll go the way of Barrymore and say so what to his family and finally get healthy...
gotta wonder why Tatum had problems with drugs too?
any good diggers out there - keep looking for him- perhaps through Tatum? I doubt he'd be singing praise and worship to the program.
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I heard the same above. Redmond does not have a rosey story to tell at all. Any good diggers should start with Ryan's agent and go from there. I heard Ryan was apalled with the program. Yeah heard FArrah was left at Casa! Way funny. But also heard she knows the truth of it now too.
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Is it true ABC 20/20 ditched the story on WWASPS? If so, what was the reason?
:eek:
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if you were 20/20 wouldn't you want the class action news...sort of anxious over there at the teen helpers space! :scared:
they may be digging deeper into some of these celebrities too!
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Hmmm. interesting. You see that the "star" plaintiff, Ryan Fraidenburg, is a kid who is clearly only doing this to further his delusion of grandeur. Karen, if she is in on this, can't remember what she said from one day to the next The sue-happy lawyer from Seattle in the NY Times article, those in the PURe web...and on and on. Now you guys are looking for more public figures like Farrah and Ryan because you see it may be failing miserably and you need credability.
Maybe I'm reading more into it :razz: , but that's what this thread is telling me.
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is farrah the epitomy of loose women and drugs? it seems she always portrays these types of people in her made for t.v. movies. what's up? I don't care if someone is off drugs because they got the shit scared out of them. the tactics are wrong. what straight does and all these bootcamps freaks do is unconstitional and immoral. jesus christ never said take a child under 18 and beat him, starve him and keep him out of school.... families have to stay together and people have to do what is right. kids have rights.
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credibility through Farrah Facwett? guess again..I'd take the lawyer in Seattle in a heartbeat over her - and tony robbins - what a joke - if he practiced what he preached - why is his kid in WWASP?
Now Redmond O'Neal that's a different story- I definately be interested in speaking with him...the kids are the ones whose stories matter...it doesn't matter if a thousand brainwashed parents are happy...they're paid recruiters remember......and all documented magical children in the community of Focus doing wonderful things to grow the religion/thoughts of WWASP? it's all been copied from websites.
stand back and take a look...the outside world thinks you're a bit off ( see attempts to get into Seattle schools) The world will not attend Gilcrease's seminars for a little "reforming" and it won't be WWASPers on the Jury my friend. ...but lucky you you'll still have your community of "higher thinkers" who "own their program" and disown their children..
sorry for the sarcasm but you need to wake up -
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On the off chance that anyone reading this may be able to get in touch with Ryan or Redmond O'Neil or w/ Farrah Fawcet, here's what I'd want to say to any of them.
Think it over.
If ya'll are on the same page and decide it's worth it to go public with your very personal story, then go for it. Your celebrity can go a very long way toward helping some of these families who've not yet gotten caught in the WWASP net. Know that, as long as you remain silent, Ken Lay is capitalizing on your celebrity and paying you no royalties. I bet Princess Di rolls over in her grave whenever the Straightlings trott out that old 60 Minutes segment where they sort of tricked her into a photo op. I understand that she was pissed and did not approve of what she saw in there at all.
OTOH, if ya'll are not together on this, four square for each other against all others, you probably shouldn't open this can of worms. To the public, I think it would turn out as just another fucked up celebrity family story.
Not that the rest of us out in TV land aren't equally fucked up, if not worse. But people tend to be jealous and love to pillory people like you who they perceive as priviledged and better than they are. Either way, it can get ugly. The question is only whether or not, in your case, it's worth it.
BTW, I read that Ryan did the smart thing and stacked all that cheese in lucrative real estate investments. So he doesn't need the money or publicity or anything. I hope that's true and more power to ya' man!
Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
-- Emo Phillips
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I'm confused as to the characters are here... when you say Ryan, god save his soul, you're not talking about that whacko Ryan Fraidenburgh are you?? You guys all know his story sloooowly but suuuuurely expanded..... we've debated his credibility 1,000 times over, but for clarification...who are you talking about!!?
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O'Neil
The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.
--John Gilmour
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Bottom line.
Redmond was mistreated at Casa.
Who cares if his parents are celebrities. They are parents too. Parents who sought help and were duped at the expense of their child.
His story will be told.It sounds like the other stories. Kids beaten, mistreated at Casa.
Ask Dace about the broken limbs.
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He was??? Care to share what you know or can prove?
So Casa by the Sea had the son of Farrah Fawcett and Ryan O'Neil and they abused him. That's pretty far fetched considering who he is. Grasping at straws are we??
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How long ago was he there? Is this recent?
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I guess Ryan Fraidenburgh isn't good enough for this group given their new-found obsession with "celebrity outings". Is this what anon meant about "being careful"????
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That's WHY they're going to "higher places." Ryan is not a credible "witness." He may have fooled his mother, but he won't fool the jury. His appearance on Inside Edition ruined that for me and possibly the rest of this group. He can have his "fame" in the fictionalized movie he is promoting. :rofl: :wave:
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I don't see how some minor inconsistencies can really hurt this kid's case. After all, they're nothing compared to the major inconsistencies in the WWASPies' stories.
In the end, if the movie makes the theatres or even cable TV, the audience isn't checking the facts to decide whether or not they'll let the movie make an impression. They will, however, check the "schools" and gulag camps for the kind of torture and fraud portrayed in the fiction-based-on-true-story movie.
Remove the log from your own eye before worrying about the mote in Ryan's.
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Actually, the word of Redmond would be less credible than Ryan F - What's inconsistent about about what a wwasp grad says? Not much if anything. They did a lot of work on themselves and have ZERO reason to be inconsistent. Did Redmond graduate, no. Did Ryan? No. Yes, thre are a few grads that still have issues with the choice their parents made and wish to blame wwasp...or whatever program they were in.
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A few? You're trippin! There are a few who actually stay somewhat brainwashed for a number of years.
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On 2003-10-02 17:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"A few? You're trippin! There are a few who actually stay somewhat brainwashed for a number of years. "
What's your definition of brainwashed. A little soap and a sponge works very well at times, but it's a choice to keep using the awesome tools our families got at wwasps. It had nothing to do with what I think your definition of brainwashed is.
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Redmond O'Neal was in Casa in the dillegence family and said to spend most of his time in R&R,held on the floor, in trouble alot and told to have been slapped around...others got in trouble if they made reference to his mom- a high profile former WWASP inmate was his upper-level buddy....and so much more...
the deranged nature of the program seems to be evident in the naming of the punishment room as spending time in R&R
so what do you know or can prove about Redmond's awesome support of the program?
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news flash... :eek:
the world does not classify people by credibility who have or have not completed the program...you write like the world gives a ....about graduation from WWASP (like it's a Harvard degree or something) give me a break...you've been eating at WWASP's trough too long...
maybe you all could live in a compound- then everyone surrounding you would respect the graduation certificate of WWASP...and you all could be supporting each other in your programs...if only this were a perfect
WWASP world...I know you're working on it...
thankfully most are stronger/more grounded than that to fall for the premire services of WWASP!
every graduate I've every talked with has acknowledged the treatment of others...they may call it something different but they've not denied it goes on.
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Not to scare anyone, but it can happen. Check out this post to The Seed forum.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=20#20847 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3024&forum=8&start=20#20847)Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time when the quo has lost its status
--Laurence J. Peter
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sort of seems like a natural progression
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looks like we may have located him...anybody out there who was in Casa with Redmond who would like to talk with him?
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Well cool beans! Give that boy my regards and best wishes. And, of course, implore him to consider making some kind of public statement or something. But I understand very well if that's not something he wants to do. People say celebrity sux most of the time. I believe it.
Legalizing drugs would simultaneously reduce the amount of crime and raise the quality of law enforcement. Can you conceive of any other measure that would accomplish so much to promote law and order?
--Economist Milton Friedman
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On 2003-10-16 17:18:00, Antigen wrote:
"Well cool beans! Give that boy my regards and best wishes. And, of course, implore him to consider making some kind of public statement or something. But I understand very well if that's not something he wants to do. People say celebrity sux most of the time. I believe it.
Legalizing drugs would simultaneously reduce the amount of crime and raise the quality of law enforcement. Can you conceive of any other measure that would accomplish so much to promote law and order?
--Economist Milton Friedman
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What celebrity is is strange. People suddenly start treating you differently, but you feel like you're still the same. And then you realize you don't know if you are or not. It's like falling through the back of the wardrobe into Narnia.
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The same as what? This kid was born to Ryan O'Neil and Farrah Fawcett. But I suppose it's all relative, as so many in L.A. are related to or know celebrities.
Without all that to consider, when I was a kid I passed on making a big stink about the Program because of what it would have done to (what was left of) my family and to my dad especially. I get it. Nothing really important is ever easy.
I do hope the kid decides to do something to help blow the lid off of the false legitimacy of these organizations. The name recognition would be so damned powerful. Who doesn't love and admire at least one of his parents or some of the characters they've played?
But I don't wish it as much as I hope he and his family are OK.
BTW, http://danielle.membrane.com/multimedia ... So_Far.mp3 (http://danielle.membrane.com/multimedia/Night_For_A_Day/Lifes_Been_Good_To_Me_So_Far.mp3)
Life is like a bird, at any given moment it is droping a load. It is only a matter of time before one eventually find you.
SysAdmin
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On 2003-09-29 18:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"P.S. - there are a LOT of celebrities that have taken a stand for their child's life and their family - and admitted to a wwasps school. Sorry, confidentiality - :rofl: Not much longer when those kids get home and on the net and start 'talkin behind backs' about all the abuses they had to put up with. I hope they sue the crap out of you WWASP clowns and put some of you in prison, finally my tax dollars AT work. Wonder what Farrah's up to these days reading about all this?
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Ryan o Neal used to beat up his first "son" griffith and when that was not enough he moved on to poor redmond. Ryan also got sent to Cedu which was founded by child molesting cult leader mel wasserman and run by his son mark who carried on the family tradtion. Mark Wasserman screwed the Brown Schools out of 60 million so he and the widow could live in palm springs and the other partner in crime Michael Allgood ran off to Cascade School where he too carried on molesting kids until he shut down before the police could arrest him.