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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 29, 2003, 05:33:00 PM
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Does anyone know if Tony Robbins has any financial connections to WWASPS sinc ethey play his tapes all the time? I heard he had a step son that went to oneof there programs. Anyone know antying here?
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What is your purpose in asking? Their facilitators teach the same stuff, so I wouldn't doubt it.
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His son or stepson attended Spring Creek Lodge in Thompson Falls MT. Around 1998.
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just doing some digging, curious is all unless you think there should be another reason.
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I have a lot of respect for Tony Robbins! If he chose a wwasps program, then that's a great testimonial for their integrity and what they teach in the four levels of change for the teens and the families. The seminars are pretty mainstream in our society and are very much like the Robbins approach. Maybe he is a consultant??
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Hasn't he made enough money so that he can afford to take some time off with his son? Is that what he preaches in his motivational speaches? Put lazer focus on YOU, YOUR life/career, earning money, personal success.... which doesn't include being a parent. If you earn enough money, you can pay someone else to do that tedious job. Afterall, where's the motivation? No one pays parents to parent.
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Deborah - Shut up!! :wink:
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Tony is an extremely busy and wealthy businessman. For all you know he just shipped off his kids so he could focus on his career.
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There y'all go again, assuming the negative. I agree with the above - SHUT UP!! That is unless you have something productive or positive...Did you have a bad day or what??
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Couldn't agree with you more. Once a parent has sentence their child to a place like this they have no choice but to pretend there was no abuse. Sick I tell ya.
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Cheryle - Bethel Boys Academy doesn't have personal growth seminars :cry2: so you Shut UP! I'd suggest you only stick to threads that have something you know about before spouting your crap about another program.
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On 2003-09-29 20:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Cheryle - Bethel Boys Academy doesn't have personal growth seminars :cry2: so you Shut UP! I'd suggest you only stick to threads that have something you know about before spouting your crap about another program. "
How rude and obnoxious can you be? WWASPS isn't the only game in town, ya know, and this mom has every right to express her opinion with or without your blessing (or anyone else's) for that matter.
:roll:
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On 2003-09-29 19:31:00, Watchaduen wrote:
"Couldn't agree with you more. Once a parent has sentence their child to a place like this they have no choice but to pretend there was no abuse. Sick I tell ya.
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Doesn't look rude and obnoxious to me! Stating her experience of this place has NOTHING to do with wwasps or this thread. The only thing they have in common is being a boarding school for troubled teens.
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Yeah, well telling someone to SHUT UP is still rude and obnoxious.
:smokin:
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Her general comment applies to any situation in which a parent wakes up and realizes they were scammed yet can't deal with the reality, can't look at the truth, can't take responsibility; whether WWASP, Bethel, or any other teen BM warehouse. W doesn't have the market cornered on scamming and deceiving parents.
Shut up Anon, just wondering, are you an adult? If so, do you have a child in a WWASP program?
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Sorry Deborah - yes, I'm an adult, but reacted instead of responded - and no, no child in a wwasp program....yet.
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Thanks Deborah, well said. Personally, I think this mom is trying to call attention to the fact there are other programs out there to be concerned about. If she is not welcome here, then where can any parent in need of support go? Struggling Teens? Yeah, right!
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No child in a WWASP program....yet? Did anyone else catch that? Can we talk anon, maybe before you make a huge mistake. I'd love for you to read my college applications essay that got me into CU, ASU, and Denison University.....it was alllllllll about my horrific experience at WWASP. Kind of poignant....
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Thank you Melissa - A wwasp mom told me to come to this site and form my own opinion. Our family needs a lot of work and from what I've read, seen, people I've talked with personally, including the teens that had been there, wwasps, so far, has exactly what we need. They've answered my questions, both positive and negative and told me what I need to know, not what I need to hear. Why else would I be here. I've seen that most of this is NOT about abuse, but about issues with a spouse, a parent, an organization, but not about what really matters. We can no longer do this alone, in our home, and that is the hardest part of all of this. I can take your attacks, your judgment, but I've been here this evening with the mom, reading and will sleep on it. Melissa, I really don't see anything you've written that would convince me that your "abuse" was with this program, but with your issues with your dad and his girlfriend. I would not have chosen Dundee due to it's location, nor Mexico. I really, really have good feelings about Utah The kids I've talked to explained to me about restraints and when they're used - the levels and when they get certain priviledges, the parent seminars which i'm really excited about and hanging in there during the next year or two while we're bringing our family to a healthier place.
I knowabout the referral program and my friend is turning it over to me, as a single mom, to help me defray the cost of the admission, if I choose to go ahead with this.
So, bring it on, tell me what a bad parent I am for doing this, tell me how terrible wwasp is and quote newspaper articles, I've read them all. I've read all the bickering and attacks here and it shows me that this is not where I want to get my info from. I have the most respect for Carey and what she has shared. I guess that makes me crazy too.
I don't choose to live my life in the past anymore and am doing something, the best thing, for all of us. I'll check back and let you all know how it's going.
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On 2003-09-29 22:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thank you Melissa - A wwasp mom told me to come to this site and form my own opinion. Our family needs a lot of work and from what I've read, seen, people I've talked with personally, including the teens that had been there, wwasps, so far, has exactly what we need. They've answered my questions, both positive and negative and told me what I need to know, not what I need to hear. Why else would I be here. I've seen that most of this is NOT about abuse, but about issues with a spouse, a parent, an organization, but not about what really matters. We can no longer do this alone, in our home, and that is the hardest part of all of this. I can take your attacks, your judgment, but I've been here this evening with the mom, reading and will sleep on it. Melissa, I really don't see anything you've written that would convince me that your "abuse" was with this program, but with your issues with your dad and his girlfriend. I would not have chosen Dundee due to it's location, nor Mexico. I really, really have good feelings about Utah The kids I've talked to explained to me about restraints and when they're used - the levels and when they get certain priviledges, the parent seminars which i'm really excited about and hanging in there during the next year or two while we're bringing our family to a healthier place.
I knowabout the referral program and my friend is turning it over to me, as a single mom, to help me defray the cost of the admission, if I choose to go ahead with this.
So, bring it on, tell me what a bad parent I am for doing this, tell me how terrible wwasp is and quote newspaper articles, I've read them all. I've read all the bickering and attacks here and it shows me that this is not where I want to get my info from. I have the most respect for Carey and what she has shared. I guess that makes me crazy too.
I don't choose to live my life in the past anymore and am doing something, the best thing, for all of us. I'll check back and let you all know how it's going. "
Yes, Mommie Dearest. Since your child can't communicate with the outside world, do check back and let us all know how her institutionalization is going.
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Anon who says she's considering WWASP for her teen,
You really expect people to believe your BS story? That a WWASP mom sent you here to decide on your own, and as a new person on this board, you then "reacted rather than responded" with these comments:
Anonymous
Unregistered User Posted: 2003-09-29 18:19:00
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Deborah - Shut up!!
Anonymous
Unregistered User Posted: 2003-09-29 18:23:00
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Deborah - can't you do better than this? It's so old it's not even having an effect on people anymore - there's too much evidence to the contrary. Pay someone to go to a seminar? Fat chance! I just love how you quote something of which you have NO experience. Shut UP!!
I AGREE
Posted: 2003-09-29 20:50:00
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Sorry Deborah - yes, I'm an adult, but reacted instead of responded - and no, no child in a wwasp program....yet.
I AGREE
Posted: 2003-09-29 20:07:00
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Cheryle - Bethel Boys Academy doesn't have personal growth seminars so you Shut UP! I'd suggest you only stick to threads that have something you know about before spouting your crap about another program.
I AGREE
Posted: 2003-09-29 22:40:00
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They've answered my questions, both positive and negative and told me what I need to know, not what I need to hear. Why else would I be here. I've seen that most of this is NOT about abuse, but about issues with a spouse, a parent, an organization, but not about what really matters. I can take your attacks, your judgment, but I've been here this evening with the mom, reading and will sleep on it. Melissa, I really don't see anything you've written that would convince me that your "abuse" was with this program, but with your issues with your dad and his girlfriend.
The kids I've talked to explained to me about restraints and when they're used - the levels and when they get certain priviledges, the parent seminars which i'm really excited about and hanging in there during the next year or two while we're bringing our family to a healthier place.
So, bring it on, tell me what a bad parent I am for doing this, tell me how terrible wwasp is and quote newspaper articles, I've read them all. I've read all the bickering and attacks here and it shows me that this is not where I want to get my info from. I have the most respect for Carey and what she has shared. I guess that makes me crazy too.
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Good try. My guess, a PR stunt.
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They wouldnt send a person looking into wwasp to this page. They would send them to the source or something pro wwasp. Ill bet they told them to look at the ISAC report also! :lol:
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What a crock!! NO WAY is this a parent just beginning to look into WWASP an NO WAY did any one at wwasp send a newbie to this board! You lying sack of refuse! You are someone from deep inside the program's belly, Ken or Bob maybe or maybe the saleslady of the year, Jane. Or maybe just one of the generals in the legion of faithful.
You can't expect anyone here to fall for this false face. You must be trying to plant the idea no one here knows what their talking about for the benefit of the new parents who do run across this board.
New Parents, Listen Up, WWASP is a pack of lying manipulators! This is typical of them. People who use this board and others you might run across DO know what their talking about because they've been there. Theyve already traveled the road your looking down and they know where its goes. You'd be wise to pay attention to the road signs!
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What I got from the post from the mom last night is that she was sitting there with the other mom on her computer. She wanted to know the good and bad and what she got when she came here is a bunch of arguing on the different threads. The program mom probably told her to stop telling people to shut up and quit reacting. I'll bet she read the magazine they publish, and all the other wwasp things. How much time she spent reading the different threads could mean how much she "got" what this forum is about.
There is an awful lot of arguing here, maybe we should just get back to basics so others can take it more seriously. I'll bet if she read the purerebuttal site, she won't believe most of what we are saying here.
She probably knows that not everyone will be happy with wwasp or RTC's in general. The sarcasm here isn't helping.
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Take It From Me, Life's A Struggle But You Can Win
by Erin Brockovich
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... eader-link (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0071383794/ref=lib_rd_ss_TBCV/103-5009247-8264626?v=glance&s=books&vi=reader&img=9#reader-link)
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On 2003-10-03 20:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Take It From Me, Life's A Struggle But You Can Win
by Erin Brockovich
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... eader-link (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0071383794/ref=lib_rd_ss_TBCV/103-5009247-8264626?v=glance&s=books&vi=reader&img=9#reader-link)"
That's a nice compliment from Robbins to Brockovich, who has written a fascinating, and highly motivational book about coping with life's ups and downs.
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I am not a Tony Robbins fan but maybe he doesnt know what goes on with his tapes. It would be interesting if Ms. Brockovicth would find out.
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I'm a Graduate From a WWASP program I never saw any abuse.
Kids lie, especially the types of kids that go to these programs. I am not saying stuff didn't happen. I acculally belive there was abuse. If it did it was because of the staff, there are sick people out there, look at fathers that abuse thier kids, they snap and YES it is imoral and WWASP programs do there best to not have that happen.
YES IT IS TOUGH LOVE. I am not saying that i liked it but it taught me so much. Before i was depressed, using drugs, hating myself, hating god..... Now i am happy i can live a good life. IS IT PERFECT, NO. But look at what it can do and has done.
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I registered so now i have a face.
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shut up nigger^^^
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Trolling Mom wrote:
"They've answered my questions, both positive and negative and told me what I need to know, not what I need to hear. Why else would I be here. I've seen that most of this is NOT about abuse, but about issues with a spouse, a parent, an organization, but not about what really matters.
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Uuhhh...issues with an organization? Bet your booties! You are incorrect in stating that this board is about issues with a spouse, etc. This board is about what happens when issues with a spouse, etc., are handed over to a money-hungry corporation who promises to return a cookie-cutter child whose self and self-esteem have been pummeled into submission. You are also incorrect in that this corporation DOES in fact tell you exactly what you want to hear, not what you need to know.
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Trolling Mom says further:
"Melissa, I really don't see anything you've written that would convince me that your "abuse" was with this program, but with your issues with your dad and his girlfriend."
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You have read postings by Melissa, and you have made a statement that puts the blame on the trauma that Melissa has lived through entirely on her shoulders. You expect her to understand, according to your logic, that if she didn't "have issues" with her dad and his girlfriend, she wouldn't have had the horrific experience of WWASPS. How dare you trivialize another's live-changing experience by saying, "It's your own fault". You, madam, are the quintessential WWASPS parent, and you exhibit the mentality of one who will search high and low to find validation for your own kid's problems: "It's your own fault".
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She continues:
"The kids I've talked to explained to me about restraints and when they're used - the levels and when they get certain priviledges, the parent seminars which i'm really excited about and hanging in there during the next year or two while we're bringing our family to a healthier place."
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How many times a year in a high school of 2500 rampant-hormone, slipping-and-sliding-toward-adulthood kids is "restraint" necessary? I would venture to say NEVER. How many times a year in a booking room of a local jail is restraint necessary? Occasionally, but even with criminals entering jail, restraint beyond the required handcuffs is almost unheard-of. How many times in a year at a WWASPS facility is restraint "necessary"? Judging from survivors' reports, it's an everyday occurrence. Why?
And, if intense weekend seminars away from home and the family at a hotel, receiving validation that it is, indeed, THE KID's OWN FAULT, you are a WWASPS dream-come-true. There are no facts which will change your mind. You have come to this board to validate your already-formed conclusion. Someone else has to fix this problem for you, because it's your kid's own fault and you need a lot of rah-rah time to drown out his calls for help.
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To finish, Troll Mom said:
"So, bring it on, tell me what a bad parent I am for doing this, tell me how terrible wwasp is and quote newspaper articles, I've read them all. I've read all the bickering and attacks here and it shows me that this is not where I want to get my info from."
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Why so defensive? Aren't you strongly convinced that you are doing the right thing? Should we on this board really care enough to respond to you? Do you need fuel for your indignation that lying survivors are supposed to provide? Unfortunately, your child is doomed. I have a child out of WWASPS (my grandaughter), and I can say with some certainty that you, Mom, will never again receive that open love from your child. Maybe you don't want it. But your life as a parent (which should go on until you die) will never be a good one. But then, Tony Robbins and his tapes might make a good substitute.
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"I have the most respect for Carey and what she has shared. I guess that makes me crazy too."
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...probably makes Carey puke. She hates WWASPS and what it did to her children. She has taken a path many of us don't understand and has veered off into her own vendetta, but, no mistake, Carey hates WWASPS.
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FWIW, my log-in is Spots, and you might consider searching some of my posts. I tend to contribute anecdotes of everyday life at WWASPS Casa by the Sea (recently demised), and you can consider whether you want your child to live this life for the next couple of years.
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http://www.tony-robbins.org (http://www.tony-robbins.org)
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Right on lady. Why do people have children if they don't have the balls and the love to stick with it and raise them? These WWAsps are no better than concentration camps. We treat death row inmates better than the kids in these places. I DO know what I am talking about because my daughter's father kidnapped her and had her shipped out. She was only 13 and a good, good person. The assholes and felons who participated conspired with her father (Dr. Deep Pockets) who lied and said he had sole custody...not once did they bother to check to see that we had joint legal custody. I will always regret that I did not sue the bastards. I was able to rescue her after three weeks but the damage was done and she never recovered, especially being betrayed by her father for money. It was a great day when I discovered the place had been closed down. I kept having these daydreams where I would enter the place, UZI drawn, open all the doors and burn down the place with all the "staff" and "family (shit)heads in it. Any parent considering sending their kids to one of these places is not what I would call a real parent; that requires WORK AND EFFORT!!! HELLO? Take that second mortgage but instead of handing it over to these flesh profiteers, take your child on a trip; go to Europe, get to know them, TALK to them and more important LISTEN to what they are trying to tell you! Let them makes mistakes and learn from them. This is THE most important job you will ever have; don't abdicate!
Unless your child has the strength to withstand the mind-fucking and fight back he or she is MORE
likely to do all the things they try to tell you will happen if you don't open your pocket book and turn the kid over like suicide, drugs, being on the street etc. As a parent you may have good intentions but it is a monumentally cruel thing to do to any human being. Any parent considering it should be forced to endure the ENTIRE program first. Maybe we ought to kidnap parents and put them in a camp where they can learn how to parent!
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You aprove of using isolation in a freezing cell as punishment?
You approve of emotionally disturbed children giving consequences to other emotionally distrubed chldren?
You approve of their using pictures not of their facility to advertise their private prison?
You approve that your child should be silent for a good part of his stay?
You approve that your child should be denied his constitutional right to communicate with you? Oh,by the way you cannot waive that right in a contract.
You approve of restaint used as punishment?
You approve of meals that are nutritionally deficient?
You approve of food deprivation as punishment?
You aprove that your child should have self-paced nonexistant education?
Did you have child examined by a mental health professional who reccomended this?
If you agree to send your child to any of these conditions you need the mental health exam far more than your child. Even within the RTC community WWASP schools are considered child abuse.
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On 2006-04-09 02:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Right on lady. Why do people have children if they don't have the balls and the love to stick with it and raise them? These WWAsps are no better than concentration camps. We treat death row inmates better than the kids in these places. I DO know what I am talking about because my daughter's father kidnapped her and had her shipped out. She was only 13 and a good, good person. The assholes and felons who participated conspired with her father (Dr. Deep Pockets) who lied and said he had sole custody...not once did they bother to check to see that we had joint legal custody. I will always regret that I did not sue the bastards. I was able to rescue her after three weeks but the damage was done and she never recovered, especially being betrayed by her father for money. It was a great day when I discovered the place had been closed down. I kept having these daydreams where I would enter the place, UZI drawn, open all the doors and burn down the place with all the "staff" and "family (shit)heads in it. Any parent considering sending their kids to one of these places is not what I would call a real parent; that requires WORK AND EFFORT!!! HELLO? Take that second mortgage but instead of handing it over to these flesh profiteers, take your child on a trip; go to Europe, get to know them, TALK to them and more important LISTEN to what they are trying to tell you! Let them makes mistakes and learn from them. This is THE most important job you will ever have; don't abdicate!
Unless your child has the strength to withstand the mind-fucking and fight back he or she is MORE
likely to do all the things they try to tell you will happen if you don't open your pocket book and turn the kid over like suicide, drugs, being on the street etc. As a parent you may have good intentions but it is a monumentally cruel thing to do to any human being. Any parent considering it should be forced to endure the ENTIRE program first. Maybe we ought to kidnap parents and put them in a camp where they can learn how to parent!"
Well said - I hope the program parents are listening. It's sickening what money will buy ... first class torture of your own child.
WAKE UP PARENTS. You couldn't treat your own kids this way so you found somebody else who would and opened up your checkbook.
Gee, that's really something to be proud of, now isn't it?
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Did they use solitary confinement as punishment? This question is for the WWASP kid who thinks the program did him good.
[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-04-09 11:12 ]
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On 2006-04-09 11:07:00, Badpuppy wrote:
"Did they solitary confinement as punishment? This question is for the sockpuppet pretending to be a WWASP kid."
[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-04-09 11:12 ]"
Fixed your post.
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If only one child is abused and or dies and a hundred are helped by these programs it is NOT worth the abuse of even that one child to accomplish helping 100. So which parent wants to volunteer to be the one whose child dies?
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Im sure the one who said after her child shot himself in the head becuase she was threatening to return him to WWASPS and said that it still "saved his life" for those few years he was in the program would gladly squat and shove out another sacraficial lamb for the altar of mind control and tough love :flame:
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To all parents thinking of sending their kid to a WWASP: they pay now but YOU will pay later.
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 120#186779 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14788&forum=9&start=120#186779)
Ca-ca does not remove names
on fornits we post
a foreigner wants this poem
::bangin::
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Anthony Robbins.....yeah I bought those CD's! God, I think I paid around $300 for them. Difference is, I was able to listen to them freely when I wanted to. I wasn't forced to.
What kinda sucks, is that I was telling a very wealthy friend of mine that I purchased his CD's, and he knew him personally, and filled me in on all his bullshit. What kind of person he was(totally full of himself) only in it for the money, and a real asshole.
I knew this was probably true because in the last 5 years I had never caught my friend in any lies, and he wasn't that kind of guy to talk shit about someone out of jealousy, he had his own coin.
I still have them, but I never finished listening. Oh well, I will just pile it on top of all the other crap I bought off the TV that doesn't work!
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put them on ebay. some programmie will come along and pay you twice what you paid. :lol:
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Who needs Ebay when you have Fornits? I am sure some fucking idiot will private message me wanting them! Same people I do battle with here on a daily basis!!!
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Very clever post. Since he is Socrates I thought I would use the Socratic method. One question at a time. There are certain limits in terms of complexity you have to respect when engaging "self paced" education. My intuition is that he doesn't really want to discuss what happened in his program and won't be back anytime soon.
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On 2004-09-11 14:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
" I'm a Graduate From a WWASP program I never saw any abuse.
Kids lie, especially the types of kids that go to these programs. I am not saying stuff didn't happen. I acculally belive there was abuse. If it did it was because of the staff, there are sick people out there, look at fathers that abuse thier kids, they snap and YES it is imoral and WWASP programs do there best to not have that happen.
YES IT IS TOUGH LOVE. I am not saying that i liked it but it taught me so much. Before i was depressed, using drugs, hating myself, hating god..... Now i am happy i can live a good life. IS IT PERFECT, NO. But look at what it can do and has done."
OK,but there is another path.
If you want to shock children in to good behavior,then drop them off somewhere in South Mexico with just enough money to get home.
This is not as dangerous as it sounds,and when the child arrives home,the experience of the "voyage home" will have the same effect to "slap in the face" or "wake up" the child to reality.
These sicko programs are no good for people.
Just open your check book and turn your child over to the "professionals"?
Not a good choice.
Drag the kid out from behind the TV,or out of the men's room at the bus station and drop them off in a foreign country,and theres nothing wrong with you joining them on their journey,but its easier for you to ship them off to a program.
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Fucking programmie. You call it "tough love", but the only thing I feel is tough hate. Just fucking kill yourself. It's the only thing left for you.
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On 2006-04-11 07:38:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"What are you kids doing at the men's room of a bus station for????
:???: You say there is but one way to worship the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it?
--Chief Red Jacket, Seneca Indian Chieftain
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This only applies if your child is a known "Bus Station Queer",much worse than a "pothead".
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On 2006-04-11 07:38:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"What are you kids doing at the men's room of a bus station for????
:???: You say there is but one way to worship the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it?
--Chief Red Jacket, Seneca Indian Chieftain
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What are YOU doing hanging around in Korean saunas with naked Russian men?
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I just read the article about that bitch. Fucking murderer. :flame:
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On 2006-04-13 18:57:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
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On 2006-04-12 08:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-11 07:38:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"What are you kids doing at the men's room of a bus station for????
:???: You say there is but one way to worship the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it?
--Chief Red Jacket, Seneca Indian Chieftain
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What are YOU doing hanging around in Korean saunas with naked Russian men?"
Didn't you know? There are even jimjilbangs without naked Russian men in them. There are even jimjilbangs with naked Korean men in them. When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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Personally,Ive never slept there,I hear its TOO MANY people and not very quiet,especially in winter when EVERYBODY is in there.But it is the cheapest place to sleep in Korea.
Im coming to InCheon/Seoul/Pusan in about a month.
Now Im in China.