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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 29, 2003, 03:51:00 PM
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Does anyone know who allowed the sale of Intrepidnetreporter
.com to someone working or profiting from WWASP? Who was granted ownership of this domain name directly after her death? I know she is looking down in disgust! She would have never wanted this, and she worked so hard to expose WWASP.
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i think the url expired and wwasps bought is. i dont think anyone allowed this. you can buy any url that arent taken. any others with any thoughts i would liek to hear them to.
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http://www.intrepidnetreporters.com (http://www.intrepidnetreporters.com) replaced the one that was taken. her stuff is still available. but they didnt expect that.
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Personally I think the use of this domain name is in violation of the Domains by Proxy?s (the company that hides the identity of the owner) terms. They are using Donnas likeness and reputation to push their abusive programs. If you think this is against their terms please report it to:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599
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Personally, I think both parties should be ashamed of themselves for capitalizing on the identity of Ms. Headrick, her reputation and her hard work. Is nothing sacred in this battle between these 2 parties?
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who owns either one of them now?
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I don't see where the "old" one is using this lady's name - no mention of her anywhere, so there is no battle. It's been PUre and puRE ::bangin::
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On 2003-09-29 20:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't see where the "old" one is using this lady's name - no mention of her anywhere, so there is no battle. It's been PUre and puRE ::bangin:: "
Um, the battle isn't over the lady's name, it's over the **content** of her website.
:silly:
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I guess it had been that important to her,she would have "willed" it to someone so it wasn't up for grabs. Maybe wwasps was tired of the lies that were posted and decided to post something from real parents and teens as opposed to biased news reports. Newspapers are entertainment with only about 10% of what is written is fact. Wasn't she a reporter? :razz:
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****Newspapers are entertainment with only about 10% of what is written is fact.
Or less.
Ken Kay, president of the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs, a Teen Help umbrella organization, says he knew nothing about the State Department's probe. He says it "never was, never has been part of the treatment to beat or abuse kids." Teen Help ended its involvement with Paradise Cove at the end of May.
Ken Kay, the WWASPS president, said families' allegations of abuse are "highly unlikely" and said the students cannot be trusted to tell the truth. "You have to remember the student population we deal with. They are kids that, pretty much across the board, have had problems with being truthful ... frequently that is is why they end up in our schools." He denied that schools do not have qualified teachers and said therapists are "made available." The private facilities have many happy customers, he said.
WWASP president Ken Kay told The Tico Times Friday afternoon that he did not know of any Dundee students being sent to Jamaica, but said he would look into it.
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And The Lord said let there be light and there was light. Oops I meant, And Ken Kay said let there be light and there was light and he said let there be rapes and there were rapes and he said let there be starvation and there was starvation and he said let there be beatings and there were beatings.
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On 2003-09-29 20:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I guess it had been that important to her,she would have "willed" it to someone so it wasn't up for grabs. Maybe wwasps was tired of the lies that were posted and decided to post something from real parents and teens as opposed to biased news reports. Newspapers are entertainment with only about 10% of what is written is fact. Wasn't she a reporter? :razz: "
Court documents are not entertainment. maybe you should look at the website before you denounce it and 30 years of hard work by a very caring, compasionate individual who is now passed. ok? be civilized.
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On 2003-09-29 20:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"who owns either one of them now?"
Aren't both domains registered with the same server, therefore, shielding the identity of all the parties involved? Second, what about the near-dupication of dozens of domain names that are industry-related? (e.g. program-referral-services). It's a virtual free for all with no apparent end in sight, given the highly competitive nature of this industry.
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I have first hand experience Ken Kay is a Fu---ing LIAR.
He speaks to his advantage. He consistently uses the idea the kids are being untruthful to his advantage.He has for years. It works because the kids are at rsik teens. That fact has allowed the Program to continue with their lying mistreatmnent of kids for years.
Ken Kay's son Jay has admitted on TV to using pepper spray on kids at TB . That WOULD be considered abuse. Hellooooo Ken we are on to you!!!
He makes me vomit.....
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Whatever they have said in the dark shall be herd in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms shall be broadcast from the housetops for all to hear.
Luke 12 vs 3
The day will surely come when at God?s command Jesus Christ will judge the Secret lives of everyone, their inner most thoughts and motives; this is God?s great plan which I proclaim.
Romans 2 vs 16
Here is my final conclusion: fear God and obey His commandments, for this is the entire duty of man. For God will judge us for everything we do, including every hidden thing, good or bad.
Ecclesiastes 12 vs 13
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On 2003-09-30 06:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2003-09-29 20:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I guess it had been that important to her,she would have "willed" it to someone so it wasn't up for grabs. Maybe wwasps was tired of the lies that were posted and decided to post something from real parents and teens as opposed to biased news reports. Newspapers are entertainment with only about 10% of what is written is fact. Wasn't she a reporter? :razz: "
Court documents are not entertainment. maybe you should look at the website before you denounce it and 30 years of hard work by a very caring, compasionate individual who is now passed. ok? be civilized."
By court documents are you talking about http://www.purerebuttal.com (http://www.purerebuttal.com)? I didn't see that on the site you're referring to? No, court documents are what they are and are NOT entertainment, but good resources. What's on that site that I see are newspaper reports that are entertainment and should be read as entertainment, not fact.
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speaking of truth in reporting wasn't it Narvin that said that he hadn't read any of the statements from the prisioners of Dundee yet he said "It's all lies"
then the Ombudsman's report came out comfirming that the drugs the kids reported being forced on them were found at Dundee...
sounds like confirmation to me or maybe it's Narvin that's on drugs?
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The Lord is Good the devil is bad
sorry to burst your bubble but the devil was kicked out of heaven (because of pride) and given control of the earth until a time coming soon.
The prince of the air is who controls this place. God controls and protects those that are submitted to him. note submit means..to come under the protection of.
that is why the Bible says ..."Our war is NOT against flesh and blood but principalities of powers of the air"
and sadly you can be affected by the unbelief and unrighteousness of your past generations..but you can choose to break those generational curses and bless many generations that will follow you.
it's really pretty simple yet the Bible also says that those that lean on their own understanding will not understand it.
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On 2003-09-30 09:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2003-09-30 06:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2003-09-29 20:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I guess it had been that important to her,she would have "willed" it to someone so it wasn't up for grabs. Maybe wwasps was tired of the lies that were posted and decided to post something from real parents and teens as opposed to biased news reports. Newspapers are entertainment with only about 10% of what is written is fact. Wasn't she a reporter? :razz: "
Court documents are not entertainment. maybe you should look at the website before you denounce it and 30 years of hard work by a very caring, compasionate individual who is now passed. ok? be civilized."
By court documents are you talking about http://www.purerebuttal.com (http://www.purerebuttal.com)? I didn't see that on the site you're referring to? No, court documents are what they are and are NOT entertainment, but good resources. What's on that site that I see are newspaper reports that are entertainment and should be read as entertainment, not fact."
re: court docs:
Hello in there! look again!
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has nothing to do with pure. try looking under "teen help documents". Look at the list of lawsuits. think you can manage that. Duh!
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one of the court documents that were on the Intrepidnet site (the previous one with Integrity) said that the Judge in Stanley Goold's mom case had an almost religous attachment to the program...that's a fact!
I've seen many like that...would you not write to your daughter for months if the "program" directed you to?
Would you send a postcard from an exotic holiday to your imprisioned child and write ...so glad you're NOT here?
Who's really in charge of your thinking and your life...have you put the program before your child. Have you put the "wisdom" of the program before your gut insticts or the wisdom of God who gave YOU this child to "train up" what would he say to you?
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Why are there so many programmed parents happy with the program - yet they spent a small fortune and they now say they have no relationship with their child because the child won't own their program..what kind of nonsense is that...breathe some air and think about it?
HELLO!!!
If you give a rip the future health of your child and your relationship with them ...raise them yourself...
I bet all I have that many of these program parents will regret these decisions yet NEVER be able to admit for fear of the GUILT it may take them through...but then again the program helped them right - their so much better people - yet they incarcerated their children and have seemingly come under the guise of a group that practices thought reform as a means of changing behavior...it may have cost you a fortune but what will it cost your child....for some ALOT!!
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On 2003-09-30 10:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why are there so many programmed parents happy with the program - yet they spent a small fortune and they now say they have no relationship with their child because the child won't own their program..what kind of nonsense is that...breathe some air and think about it?
30 years after induction into The Seed and more than 20 years after I, the littlest one in the brood, fought through the courts to escape Straight, my mother is still very pleased with the Program, as far as I know. I haven't spoken with her in a number of years and my 5 brothers and sisters don't exactly jump at a chance to spend time with her, either.
But the Program did give her something that, aparently, was worth every penny, every hour of dedicated service and every sacrifice she ever made for it. The Program gave her absolution.
Here's the sad ironly. My mom was horribly neglectful and somewhat abusive. But I think we all had or would have come to terms with that and just been thankful for what she did have to give to us. I know I could have. Even after years of Program hell, when I turned 18 I was ready to try and mend our relationship.
Silly me. She didn't want to mend our relationship. She only wanted validation from those evil vampires and was willing to keep on paying and make me keep on paying so she could have it. In her own mind, she's not only an innocent victim of druggiekids and druggieculture, but a superb mother, a true hero and longsuffering martyr.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
--Edmund Burke
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A good journalist will interview the people they need to and they will visit the places they feel they must go; read what they feel is pertinent or what takes them perhaps in a "different direction" from their departure in SERVICE (yes SERVICE) to a story....
Life effects ALL kinds of people; not just W.A.S.P.s (it cannot be READ another way, sorry) (White Anglo Saxon Protestants). The acronym itself is terribly inappropriate and very uncaring towards the rest of our human race.
There is no way to be "open" and "shut down" at the same time but "total open-ness" can lead to "madness" in some.
I have met "survivors" from the Elan program in the 70's and 80's and of them, only one articulate woman was Pro-Elan and she was she said "ambiguous" she simply couldn't say (think of this) that her father would have been better; as she said he was so physically abusive, so controlling, and her homelife so unbearable, she could deal with Elan, only NOT her guilt, her OWN CONSCIENCE at what she witnessed happen to OTHERS and CANNOT FORGET.
So, she says, it was hard to say "good or bad" but she knows it made her lose "college" and was earning a degree when she died in her early forties (some know her, and she chatted with me, we talked about "safe things" I think, her kids, my work, she was...like a friend, really) of pancreatic cancer.
At this date, another important witness/survivor has gone missing and it was heartwrenching. She called me, because she was scared of winding up "on the street" and if you see her work you'll realize she's a brilliant young artist; and yet, she says she has "lost time" from Elan (Prototype for what I read of Tranquility Bay...very very similar....ask Ginger, there is a "program" that's words change, but NOT "The Game" or "Concept" or whatever it is called...) "lost time" for her is PTSD amnesia; and worse.
I don't think it's easy to face; I think..it's NECESSARY that SOME DO so that the world can know.
I suggest anyone that has had SOMETHING to do with these groups begin to DISTANCE THEMSELVES from their LEADERS and their HELPERS and to speak to therapists specializing in the area..
Parents, and KIDS, you can learn A LOT on your own or with a group-- possibly here at Fornits, you can start a site, go to P.U.R.E. for the "testimonials" and read them, visit the Elan Survivor's Site by David Hirsh and READ the harrowing stories there!
Learn from your kids instead of being scared of them or for them who they are and what and accept it. That is today. Condemning makes a person shut down and only open up under "duress." Think abou this. A confession under stress is not even admissable (in the past) in our courts. That is because people aren't saying what they feel --they are PLEASING the one that is SCARING or OPPRESSING THEM... or trying and may even tell lies about themselves to please, sad as that is. Our justices don't allow this, thankfully.
Everyone NEEDS some PRIVACY. Even just a little bit.
It doesn't start with a group of controlling personalities... I promise!!! The person I am working with has been doing a graduate course in counselling and nowadays it's about "respecting client boundaries" and "listening." That is the opposite of what was offered evidentially and anecdotally (they were closed no?) at Tranquility Bay, Straights, Elan etc.
Don't tell me I do not know. I have been through some coercive programs myself; a Southern Baptist Church School that had given me early onset anxiety disorders (undiagnosed till I grew up), made me "antisocial" (yes, MADE ME, I am better now, not antisocial, but the anxiety is a lifelong misery sadly...like permanent PTSD which is common,I am finding)...helped me to be frightened, to dwell on life as full of PROBLEMS only our PASTOR seemed to have a handle on.
His world view was utterly upside down for me and unsettling my mind drained me of my soul. I had sleepless nights, cried myself to sleep, started sleeping in my closet with my sleeping bag like my early childhood blanket, and would NOT TELL MY MOM about the "abuse" the "coercion" which had me questioning my beliefs and scared my Mother would burn in hell...(in this instance)...not the same?
No and Yes. I learned to be unsettled, depressed, and to say different things than what I truly felt for "The group" that was going to be "saved." I promise. I didn't know what to do and I wanted to DIE but couldn't believe and do not in suicide.To this day, I have a "pronounced panic disorder."
Before then, I was mildly anxious but after I was sick with depression as well as anxiety, my phobias became manifold, I developed a fear of human touch, lost the ability to "love" for years functioning as a zombie with the words of the church always in my head like a hypnotic spell I was SCARED of breaking; scared of breaking the stream of "save me, make me go to heaven" in my head...which I repeated, repeated, repeated, unable to enjoy anything--fireworks, a carnival...this is what extreme brainwashing does, and it can do worse.
:skull: If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
--Thomas Paine
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He speaks to his advantage. He consistently uses the idea the kids are being untruthful to his advantage.He has for years. It works because the kids are at rsik teens. That fact has allowed the Program to continue with their lying mistreatmnent of kids for years.
Ken Kay's son Jay has admitted on TV to using pepper spray on kids at TB . That WOULD be considered abuse. Hellooooo Ken we are on to you!!!
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Just a simple advice do not put the pepper spray which children can reach. For safety purposes be sure to keep it on safe area.
Rightio. Stay happy. ;D
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Happy.... :roflmao: