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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 29, 2003, 02:14:00 PM
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Someone asked for prayers for this person. Does anyone know more about him? It is all so sad.
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Can someone find this article again? It is so terrible.
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you can find his address on the TX corrections website- if his parents have ditched him he'd probably appreciated hearing from others
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Feel free to write and let Michael Perry know you are thinking,praying for him.
Michael Perry #999444
3872 FM 350 South
Livinston.TX 77351
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What worries me about this kid, is that he has recanted his confession and tells a believable story as to what really happened; which didn't include him killing anyone.
My fear is that having been threw wwasp and the seminars, and so having gotten into the habit of confession, he served them (the Texas Courts) up a dandy confession upon request; almost automatically. There may not be a word of truth to it - this confession - and now he is sitting on death row b/c of it.
As extremely weird as it seems - people frequently make false confessions. A person who had been threw a program like wwasp and the seminars, would be a prime candidate for both false memories and confession.
I am very afraid this kid my be innocent of the crime he is to forfeit his Life for!
MAYBE the program experience, for this kid, had the effect of making him prone to giving a false confession.
This is possible, maybe probable.
And he is on Death row!
I hope his attorney will research this and get the kid a new trial.
Maybe a few of you post program students would like to write the paper that reported on his recantation, and explain how the program might make him prone to giving a false confession; Maybe it'll help him get a new trial.
Here is the link to the artical.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?news ... 0945&rfi=8 (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=7141629&BRD=1569&PAG=461&dept_id=180945&rfi=8)
here are a couple email address for the paper:
couriernews@hcnonline.com (http://mailto:couriernews@hcnonline.com)
Maybe also write Amnisty international.
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Michael Perry didn't "go through" wwasps" and he may have never attended a seminar. He wasn't there very long - they don't keep violent kids there. Duh!!
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Takes money to get a new trial and/or appeal. I suggest the family hire a prominent attorney next time around and that someone set up a defense fund for this young man (ISAC??) to help offset the expenses.
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Don't forget, we're talking TEXAS JUSTICE here, meaning it didn't take the jurors very long to hand Perry a death sentence instead of life in prison. However, I do not believe the other kid involved in this heinous crime has been to trial, yet. What he has to say (to save his own neck) will probably not bode well for Perry.
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I've been writing Michael for a while now. He is a wonderful person. I can't even imagine what it's like beeing innocent on death row. If you want to know more about Michael you can go to his web site: www.savemichaelperry.info (http://www.savemichaelperry.info) or you can find him on Myspace: www.myspace.com/mp999444 (http://www.myspace.com/mp999444)
His appeal is coming up march 29th.........
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Guilty or not guilty nothing is to be lost by showing a bit of compassion for a person facing the death penalty. Writing a few letters wouldn't hurt anyone at all.
Crap.. I guess I better get writing. I'll send him a list of my favorite disgusting jokes.
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You really should.. He loves jokes!
You won't regret it if you do, he's one of the warmest and most funny guys I've ever come across..
Mike Perry #999444
12 CD-50 Polunsky Unit
3872 FM 350 South
Livingston, TX 77351
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The evidence...especially forensic evidence plus the date of death with Michael having alibis for that day...........
Why hasn't any of this been taken into consideration?
Surely US law states that this would have to be looked into? After all this is a 6 year old case, there's been plenty of time
If this guy goes free, is a murderer on the loose? You know you'd all be the 1st to shout if he was freed and offended again
Michael admits to being a heavy drug user, but I have picked up on the point about him being a program kid, it concerns me that someone who has been programed to automatically do as an adult says he must do, would in all probability write down anything he was 'suppposed to'.
This lad's life was fucked from the day of his conception, it's an incredibly sad situation from beginning to end
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I know when you learn that he was in jail when the ME says Mrs. Stoller was killed you think my gosh - this kid can not be guilty. But there is a very great deal more to the story.
When he was arrested for that little jail stint, he was driving Mrs. Stoller's car - and had the dead boy's ID on him.
This means the ME was wrong. Mrs. Stoller was dead when Perry was pulled over and taken to jail.
I also know when he claims he had a confession beat out of him; and you see the photos of him all banged up and bloodied, you can easily believe he was in fact beat up.
What you might not know, is that just prior to his arrest, he and Jason drove the truck they were in through a plate glass store front; which might account for his battered appearance.
In his confession, he gave a perfect description of Mrs. Stolers wounds; Not something he could do, if he were in fact not present at her murder, as he now tries to claim.
IMO, Michael Perry is a young psychopath. He should never be allowed free access to society. But because I have gotten to know him, I do harbor some concern for his welfare, I hope Texas can be convinced to give him the same sentence his co-defendant got - Life.
And - yes, his story is sad. But you should consider the roll he has played in making it that way.
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Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but is murdering a young man acceptable to you?
Not only will it not bring the victim back, but if he is innocent, he will become another statistic - once its done there's no bringing him back to be pardoned
With a life like he's led, I'd be a Psycopath too
Exhausted
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A tc channel has shown pictures of Michael at the time of his arrest..
At the hospital after a trip in the ambulace with the police he was bloody and clearly beaten... so...
As for the things that didn't come up at his trial.. the lawyer he had didn't do his job, that's for sure..
Michael is no psycho.. is is a sweet boy with a terrible past.. but he doesn't deserve to be locked up for the rest of his life just cause he has problems..
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The jurors are party to a murder, just because a system of rules says a murder is acceptable does not make it so. If you express beliefs such as mine, you are not even eligible to be on a jury for a death penalty case.
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//Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but is murdering a young man acceptable to you? //
I was clear I didn't want to see him killed by the state of TX.
///At the hospital after a trip in the ambulace with the police he was bloody and clearly beaten... so... ///
Yes, I know. But he had also just come from crashing a truck through a plate glass store front. This might account for his battered appearance - don't you think?
///Michael is no psycho.. ///
I happen to believe he is probably a psychopath - or sociopath - what ever they are calling it now a days, when a person uses others shamelessly, and has no feelings or empathy for others.
/// is a sweet boy with a terrible past.. ///
I know he can come across as a sweet kid. So could Ted Bundy or any number of others who have committed horrible crimes. Hells Bells - even Jeffery Dalhmer seemed like a sweet kid - and a nice guy.
///but he doesn't deserve to be locked up for the rest of his life just cause he has problems..///
No - but he dose deserve to be locked up for life, for triple murder.
What he did was extremely horrible - and the evidence shows he is in fact guilty. He was driving the Dead Woman's Car when he was pulled over and taken to jail. He had her dead grand son's wallet and ID on him - and allowed himself to be booked under that kids name. He gave a perfect description of the crime scene and the victims wounds in his confession - not something he could accomplish had he not "been there and done that".
He and his buddy decided they wanted that poor woman's car, and they were willing to murder her, and anyone else deemed necessary to get it. I am sorry - but spending time in Casa by the Sea is no excuse for such actions.
He is a very dangerous man and he should never be free in society again. But, I do hope TX will commute his sentence to Life.
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Well, at the risk of utterly wasting my breath, I want to address some of the things Buzzkill posted.
1. News Channel ABC 13 has video taken after the car accident that shows Michael substantially injury free. Yet, 53 minutes later, photos taken at the hospital depict him with serious bruising around his neck. Furthermore, the nurse at the jail refused to book Michael due to a severe head injury that she noted in her report as resulting from "police interaction." Yes, Michael was in the car when JASON drove it through a window. It was 5:00am in the morning and he was asleep. But the evidence shows that hs injuries occurred AFTER the accident. [Note--it took the ambulance 53 minutes to go 13 miles . . . I wonder why]
2. Yes, Michael was arrested driving the stolen car. But the last time I checked, driving a stolen car does not make a person a murderer. JASON gave him the car. And there was an ID belonging to the victim's son IN THE CAR, but it was not on Michael's person.
3. As far as the "confession" goes, perhaps the reason the confession is so detailed is because the police ADMITTED on the stand that Michael didn't write it--the INVESTIGATOR wrote it, Michael just signed his name. The same investigator who knew all the details himself because he had been at the crime scene just days earlier. So, maybe that explains why the "confession" has details in it that only someone who had been at the scene could know--because someone who had been at the scene wrote it--the COP.
Michael is not a psychopath or a sociopath (and the current correct DSM-IV term is "anti-social"). He is neither clinically anti-social, nor is he a psychopath in the lay sense of the term. He does not deserve to be murdered by the state and he would be an asset to society should he win his appeal. And before anyone decides to advise me that I am naive, I just want it to be crystal clear that not only have I read EVERY SINGLE document pertaining to his case (and that of his co-defendant), but I also know Michael personally.
I would suggest anyone who wants to make blanket statements about the "facts" go get a copy of the trial transcript and read it. It is public record.
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Not a waste of breath at all. Its something to talk about.
I have not seen the video. I have only been told about it by Michael. Have you seen it? Is it clear and shot in good light, where you can get a good idea of his actual condition? I know about the nurses note. But I feel that "police intervention" could easily refer to the car chase and crash; because there was a car chase and then the crash - and a cop was actually run down by Jason, who as you say, was driving. All can fairly be called police interaction or intervention.
I don't know why the ambulance took so long - but several possibilities come to mind that have nothing to do with beating the kid up. All that being said - I don't doubt he may well have been slapped around. I can see it happening real easy. I just don't think it has anything much to do with his confession. If it happened, it happened because of the chase and crash and shooting at the cops and running one over; as opposed to trying to beat a confession out of him.
As for the cop writing it out - this in an of itself, is not unusual. The confessing person dictates and a cop writes. I would expect the session was also recorded. I asked Michael once, if it was recorded or not - because if not - this argument of yours might hold water. He ignored the question. I expect the session was recorded and probably taped. I expect what's in the confession is what Michael said all right. I expect the state can prove it.
You know - Michael told me Jason gave him the car. But what dose that have to do with his alibi? The point is - the woman was dead when he was arrested. So were the two boys. His "alibi" of being in jail when she was murdered is blown out of the water by the fact he was driving her car. She was dead when he was arrested. Don't you think?
I asked him once - so how did Jason happen to have her car before she was dead? He told me, maybe she had loaned it to him. I find that beyond belief. I just dose not seem at all credible that this woman would loan this Jason kid her Camaro. Its ridiculous. Besides which - she was murdered - and according to Michael's original story, she was murdered for her car.
There was also his confession to the nurse at the hospital. According to her, when she asked him what happened, he told her "I shot some woman". According to her, he was laughing about it. Maybe its a lie on her part. But if so, you'd have to wonder why she'd make it up.
/// He is neither clinically anti-social, nor is he a psychopath in the lay sense of the term. ///
Has he had a psyc eval and personality test that you know of? He told me he had never had either - and if that's so, then we are both guessing.
///he would be an asset to society should he win his appeal.///
How so? Not arguing - asking - how?
///get a copy of the trial transcript and read it. It is public record.///
I'd love to have a copy to read - but transcripts are very costly. Do you have a copy? Could you get it scanned onto a CD for posting on the net? Would you? We could put it up on his web site.
The thing is - if his trial was in any way unfair, I hope he gets a new trial. If the confession is as faulty as you say then a higher court will no doubt toss it. But to pin his hopes on this false pretence of an alibi is foolish. It dose not hold up to factual scrutiny.
Whether or not he can get a new trial - I'd like to see his sentence commuted to life - but again - to try and say this boy is innocent is (in my mind) very foolish. Frankly, I do not think you people are doing him any favors encouraging and allowing him to continue in this fantasy.
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I know Michael is innocent.. Have you ever thought he actually could be? And I have to ask.. do you see yourself as a friend of Michael's??
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I know Michael is innocent.. Have you ever thought he actually could be? And I have to ask.. do you see yourself as a friend of Michael's??
Yes Linn. I was at one time very upset by his conviction - because I believed he was in jail when Mrs. Stoller was killed.
I once believed his time in Casa By the Sea would predispose him to making a false confession.
Then I learned he was driving Mrs Stoller's car when he was arrested and taken in. This devastates his claim to be allibied by the jail time. She was dead when he was arrested. That's all there is to it.
I haven't had access to his full confession, but I have read the bits quoted by the papers - and I have to say after that, I felt the confession was a genuine, first hand account of what happened. I no longer believe there is anything false about it. I think he knew he was caught; he was separated from his buddy Jason; and he spilled his guts.
You do know he is the one who took the cops to where the dead boys were left, don't you? He knew where to find them - he was there when they were killed. I have not the slightest doubt he was also present when Mrs. Stoller was shot - and that he shot her - as he described.
I was struck by the fact that Michael likes to talk about the one shoe print they never found a match for. And when he was arrested he was bare footed. Makes me wonder if this was because he had tossed out the shoes. Maybe he saw the blood on them and so got rid of them - and then went bare footed. Its just something I wonder about.
It is interesting to me that Michael hadn't lied about anything - but that he practiced a great deal of data drop out - telling only what makes him look good, and omitting what tends to make him look guilty. Those omissions, in my mind, make him look very guilty indeed. It seems to me to show a consciousness of guilt, and an attempt to deceive.
I can't say I consider him a friend. But this doesn't mean I have no compassion for him - even as I think him guilty of such a crime.
I do honestly feel you (unintentionally) are doing him more harm than good. I hope his legal team is more honest and realistic with him. I have wondered if that's why he has gone though several.
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Well.. pretty clear what you think of Michael..
Kinda feel sorry for you right now.. but one day you will know the truth and when you do, don't be too hard on yourself for what you just wrote..
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Well.. pretty clear what you think of Michael..
Kinda feel sorry for you right now.. but one day you will know the truth and when you do, don't be too hard on yourself for what you just wrote..
Ditto. ;)
Let me ask you something . . .
Other than thinking Perry a "sweet boy" who has had a sad life - why is it you are so sure he is innocent? You say: I know Michael is innocent - How? How can you *know* any such thing?
Are you not at all troubled by the fact he has withheld so much about the circumstances of his two arrest? Are you not at all troubled that he was driving the murdered woman's car when he was arrested, for what he insist is a alibi jail stay? That he has in his possision the dead boy's wallet, and alowed the cops to book him under the dead boy's name? Does it not give you pause, that he took the cops to the dead boy's bodies, and explained with such detail how it all went down? IMO, No cop making up a confession for him could come up with all the little details about what they were thinking, and how they carried it out. If the cop had just wrote it out, with no input from Michael, it would be a bare bones account, devoid of the richness of all those details. Does this not trouble you at all?
All you have had to say is what a sweet boy Michael is - what if your wrong? What if he is instead a good actor telling you what you want to hear? How would you know?
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As a reality check you all do remember you arguing over someone who more than likely will be strapped into an electric chair and electricuted to death right?
Try not to loose sight of that in yalls hagglings.
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Rest assured TSW - this sad fact has not been forgotten. I think in TX it is an injection - but no - I am sure we are both acutely aware of this reality. Altho - I suspect the lady, being so sure of his innocence, holds onto the dream he will be aquited in a new trial.
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Roger. Sad deal all around. I'm going to write the kid a letter. Is it possible to send him souvenirs from Korea?
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On his web site there are directions as to what you can send, and how.
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Umm which one is that?
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Oh yeah.. the one posted on page 1. Got it. I'll try to get something in the outgoing post before week's end.
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If you really believe this boy is guilty then what's the point of sending him letters. Dont you feel that he is just trying to manipulate your feelings to do his legwork on the outside? I dont mean to sound harsh, but just because a kid went to Casa doesn't make them innocent and if he really is guilty this sure is a lot of misplaced sympathy here.
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I know things you don't Buzz :wink: it will come out one day.. but I'm far from stupid and would never write that in here..
Michael's web site:
www.savemichaelperry.info (http://www.savemichaelperry.info)
I can tell you this.. you can send letters and pictures, but nothing else what so ever..
He will be happy to get a letter all the way from Korea :D
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A person can have sympathy for Michael Perry, even if they believe he is guilty of this crime. And, a person can firmly believe in Perry's guilt, and still hope that his death sentence will be reduced to "life in prison," even though in Texas--at the time of this crime, a sentence of "life in prision" did not actually mean that Perry would have to serve his out his NATURAL LIFE. At the time of this crime, Texas did not have "life without parole." So, if Perry's sentence is reduced--he can walk out of prison one day.
If Perry's jury had been give the choice of a sentence of "life without parole," perhaps this young man would not have been given the death penalty. Who knows? Only the members of his jury can answer that question.
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This Thursday will tell
let's hope al of the evidence is properly looked into this time, even if it gets him off death row its something, the US 'justice' system is crap, I thought ours was bad, but yours is just unbelievable and corrupt
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I know things you don't Buzz :wink: it will come out one day.. but I'm far from stupid and would never write that in here..
Michael's web site:
www.savemichaelperry.info (http://www.savemichaelperry.info)
I can tell you this.. you can send letters and pictures, but nothing else what so ever..
He will be happy to get a letter all the way from Korea :D
You could PM me - or fire me off an email.
Honestly - if you know something that would exonerate this kid I'd like to hear it. When I first learned his alibi was crap (due to his being arrested while driving the murdered woman's car and having the murdered boys wallet and ID on him) I was very upset. I mean to the point of getting lost while walking through a neighborhood I had walked through dozens of times, due to the conflict of emotions, and distraction of mind I was suffering.
But sadly, I don't think you have any big secrete that exonerates this kid. I believe you just don't want to admit you are choosing to ignore the facts that have given me such a head ache.
A person can have sympathy for Michael Perry, even if they believe he is guilty of this crime. And, a person can firmly believe in Perry's guilt, and still hope that his death sentence will be reduced to "life in prison," even though in Texas--at the time of this crime, a sentence of "life in prision" did not actually mean that Perry would have to serve his out his NATURAL LIFE. At the time of this crime, Texas did not have "life without parole." So, if Perry's sentence is reduced--he can walk out of prison one day.
If Perry's jury had been give the choice of a sentence of "life without parole," perhaps this young man would not have been given the death penalty. Who knows? Only the members of his jury can answer that question.
Ditto.
I have thought that the jury did a little math, and realized he would be free with his time served out (meaning there would not even be a parole officer looking over his shoulder) and no more than 60 years old. A 60 year old killer, who has shown a total lack of conscience and remorse, is not some one you want loose on your streets. I think they also looked at the many attempts at therapy and counseling he received over the years - the attempts at reform - and felt he was not reformable.
I still think his best option is to show he does in fact have one or more mental illnesses, that were never properly diagnosed or treated; which is in my mind, is a legitimate mitigating factor; which might get his sentence commuted.
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I hate to point out the obvious here Buzz. No way he will get out of prison alive. Statistically speaking he will more likely end up dead in the showers.
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I hate to point out the obvious here Buzz. No way he will get out of prison alive. Statistically speaking he will more likely end up dead in the showers.
Not really TSW.
I know there is a lot of violence and all, but actual murder in prison isn't as common as your saying here. I was trying to think of all the guys I know that did time; off the top of my head: Lester, Randy, the two Lovesay brothers, Pud, Dan, Gary, Gene, Larry, Rusty, Whimper - only one was killed in prison. So, that's 1 in 11, of the felons I have met; not counting all the ones I met visiting the prisons. So, statistically, a felon is more likely to leave prison alive - if he isn't sitting on death row; or facing 99 years, 10 times over, or something like that.
If your wondering how many of the 11 are doing/ did time for murder, its 6.
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Wonder how it's going??? :(
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I know when you learn that he was in jail when the ME says Mrs. Stoller was killed you think my gosh - this kid can not be guilty. But there is a very great deal more to the story.
When he was arrested for that little jail stint, he was driving Mrs. Stoller's car - and had the dead boy's ID on him.
This means the ME was wrong. Mrs. Stoller was dead when Perry was pulled over and taken to jail.
I also know when he claims he had a confession beat out of him; and you see the photos of him all banged up and bloodied, you can easily believe he was in fact beat up.
What you might not know, is that just prior to his arrest, he and Jason drove the truck they were in through a plate glass store front; which might account for his battered appearance.
In his confession, he gave a perfect description of Mrs. Stolers wounds; Not something he could do, if he were in fact not present at her murder, as he now tries to claim.
IMO, Michael Perry is a young psychopath. He should never be allowed free access to society. But because I have gotten to know him, I do harbor some concern for his welfare, I hope Texas can be convinced to give him the same sentence his co-defendant got - Life.
And - yes, his story is sad. But you should consider the roll he has played in making it that way.
I feel that being exposed to brain-damaging situations can result in a person being brain damaged. If you have your arm broken you can just not use it and get along OK. But what do you do if you have your brain broken? I think even if he did do it is really is not necessariy his "chioce" anymore than a person sleepwaling has choice and shold not really be blamed as a normal person would
he truth is so much stuff is out there exoneraning this boy, that he has a tendancy for confession, that "texas Jusitce" has little to do with justice and alot to do with physucal abuse, that the authorites tend to be "loose" with their criteria for evidence ,and their ethiics surrounding evidence compilement, interpretation and this kid is just a sitting duck someone completely powerless s,o that all corrupt tendancies can be acted out on him with no chance for
penalty. The veracity of the boys innocence is likely.
Imagine if he had kiledl somone while working in program , he could even be videotaped doing it & get away with it as long as their wasnt a mass public outcry and fight. Look at Marvin Lee Anderson.
The truth is these authorities "choose" what evidense exists, who confesses.
This kid should be given every bit of support, and a secod chance
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