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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Maximilian on August 25, 2010, 05:15:48 PM
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Hello there, thank you for taking an interest in this topic. I am going to talk about in this thread how a program managed to save my life, and why it was absolutely necessary. Let me first say, I don't claim every teen should be sent to a program. I was a particularly troubled teen, and my family tried all the local options first. Being sent to a program for myself, was truly the end of the line, the absolute and final option. The program saved my life, pulling along myself as an unwilling participant, kicking and screaming, desperate to end their own life, through extensive drug use and extremely suicidal behaviors.
Fornits has a lot of threads recently about drama between members here, satire and claims and counter claims. To a new poster here, these threads are gibberish and mean nothing to them. So in this thread, I am going to focus on my experience, how things really were in my experience, and working hard to be honest with myself even if it causes self incrimination and repudiation. I am willing to be open, in the name of honesty, because I don't post here with an agenda. I'm sure some people will read what I write, and my experiences, and conclude I was held captive against my will, even abused, and ultimately brainwashed into the current damaged and/or mentally ill person I am today. But other people will read it, and understand and empathize with the honest accounts of my own experiences, and come to their own conclusion that I am trying my best to be accurate in both my presentation and representation of all my various experiences, and ultimate conclusions based on them.
I deserved, and desperately needed to be sent to a program. That statement would of made me uncomfortable to say a few years ago. It was more comfortable to think of myself as a victim of outside forces, my parents, the program, and society. I worked hard to fill my mind with information to corroborate this blame, and it works, for a while. But my deep desire to find the truth in my own experiences ultimately led to another realization, and that is that if I had been left to my own devices, I would have killed myself with drugs or my behaviors. My parents tried therapy and I would sit their quietly, happy in the thought of wasting their money and making the therapist angry. When I was caught with drugs and alcohol I was sent to a residential state run program, but manipulated my way out, by running away. Because they didn't have a policy for that, run, and you're free. So I was my parents problem again. I kept using, kept stealing, kept doing whatever I felt like and finally my parents had enough. They sent me where I could not manipulate my way out, or run away, or sit there and be silent and waste their money. They sent me to a program.
I was angry, and tried my best to get out through any means necessary. I used some disgusting tactics, that I am not proud of, but I am willing to be honest at the lengths I was willing to go in order to get what I want. The program stood firm, the first people to ever do this to me. I fought more, and they continued to stand firm. Eventually I realized it wasn't going to work, and changed my tactics of self destruction and opened my ears a bit to what they had to say. But I was never brainwashed as described on this forum, I was not ready then to admit that they had in fact just saved my life. It took some time of careful deliberation and thinking, and the most painful thing, to admit I was wrong. I was not a victim of anybody, only a victim of my extremely detrimental and self destructive choices. This was a hard pill to swallow, but accepting something like this is easy, because it feels completely true with everything I am. So here I am today, alive, and well, all because my parents had the fortitude to stick with the program, through all my manipulative communications and threats I sent them, they stood firm and told me no. No, you can not have the freedom to destroy yourself while you are still my child.
What can I say? I am more grateful than anyone can possibly imagine. I never thanked anybody at the program, for putting up with my constant bullshit and manipulations. But I did get a chance to thank my parents for saving my life, years after the fact, when I realized this truth after maturing and developing the ability to be honest with myself. I am not saying this is the experience of everybody who posts here. I can only speak for myself. I was a very troubled teen, on a unstoppable path of self destruction. It took a secured and tightly controlled program to keep me from accomplishing this fatal goal. This is my experience, and this is my truth. Perhaps I am the only person that has had this experience, I really can't speak for others. But I want to share my experience on this forum, and with other people who experienced, because I can and because it's true. Thank you for reading this. Remember, my intent in posting this is not to offend anyone. It is only to share my own opinions on my own experience. Let's show new fornits users what this forum can be like, and keep this thread civil. I promise to act civil, if you do. It's time to move fornits, to a more mature conversation. Join me, and let's get to work.
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Hello there, thank you for taking an interest in this topic. I am going to talk about in this thread how a program managed to save my life, and why it was absolutely necessary. Let me first say, I don't claim every teen should be sent to a program. I was a particularly troubled teen, and my family tried all the local options first. Being sent to a program for myself, was truly the end of the line, the absolute and final option. The program saved my life, pulling along myself as an unwilling participant, kicking and screaming, desperate to end their own life, through extensive drug use and extremely suicidal behaviors.
Fornits has a lot of threads recently about drama between members here, satire and claims and counter claims. To a new poster here, these threads are gibberish and mean nothing to them. So in this thread, I am going to focus on my experience, how things really were in my experience, and working hard to be honest with myself even if it causes self incrimination and repudiation. I am willing to be open, in the name of honesty, because I don't post here with an agenda. I'm sure some people will read what I write, and my experiences, and conclude I was held captive against my will, even abused, and ultimately brainwashed into the current damaged and/or mentally ill person I am today. But other people will read it, and understand and empathize with the honest accounts of my own experiences, and come to their own conclusion that I am trying my best to be accurate in both my presentation and representation of all my various experiences, and ultimate conclusions based on them.
I deserved, and desperately needed to be sent to a program. That statement would of made me uncomfortable to say a few years ago. It was more comfortable to think of myself as a victim of outside forces, my parents, the program, and society. I worked hard to fill my mind with information to corroborate this blame, and it works, for a while. But my deep desire to find the truth in my own experiences ultimately led to another realization, and that is that if I had been left to my own devices, I would have killed myself with drugs or my behaviors. My parents tried therapy and I would sit their quietly, happy in the thought of wasting their money and making the therapist angry. When I was caught with drugs and alcohol I was sent to a residential state run program, but manipulated my way out, by running away. Because they didn't have a policy for that, run, and you're free. So I was my parents problem again. I kept using, kept stealing, kept doing whatever I felt like and finally my parents had enough. They sent me where I could not manipulate my way out, or run away, or sit there and be silent and waste their money. They sent me to a program.
I was angry, and tried my best to get out through any means necessary. I used some disgusting tactics, that I am not proud of, but I am willing to be honest at the lengths I was willing to go in order to get what I want. The program stood firm, the first people to ever do this to me. I fought more, and they continued to stand firm. Eventually I realized it wasn't going to work, and changed my tactics of self destruction and opened my ears a bit to what they had to say. But I was never brainwashed as described on this forum, I was not ready then to admit that they had in fact just saved my life. It took some time of careful deliberation and thinking, and the most painful thing, to admit I was wrong. I was not a victim of anybody, only a victim of my extremely detrimental and self destructive choices. This was a hard pill to swallow, but accepting something like this is easy, because it feels completely true with everything I am. So here I am today, alive, and well, all because my parents had the fortitude to stick with the program, through all my manipulative communications and threats I sent them, they stood firm and told me no. No, you can not have the freedom to destroy yourself while you are still my child.
What can I say? I am more grateful than anyone can possibly imagine. I never thanked anybody at the program, for putting up with my constant bullshit and manipulations. But I did get a chance to thank my parents for saving my life, years after the fact, when I realized this truth after maturing and developing the ability to be honest with myself. I am not saying this is the experience of everybody who posts here. I can only speak for myself. I was a very troubled teen, on a unstoppable path of self destruction. It took a secured and tightly controlled program to keep me from accomplishing this fatal goal. This is my experience, and this is my truth. Perhaps I am the only person that has had this experience, I really can't speak for others. But I want to share my experience on this forum, and with other people who experienced, because I can and because it's true. Thank you for reading this. Remember, my intent in posting this is not to offend anyone. It is only to share my own opinions on my own experience. Let's show new fornits users what this forum can be like, and keep this thread civil. I promise to act civil, if you do. It's time to move fornits, to a more mature conversation. Join me, and let's get to work.
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Hello there, thank you for taking an interest in this topic. I am going to talk about in this thread how a program managed to save my life, and why it was absolutely necessary. Let me first say, I don't claim every teen should be sent to a program. I was a particularly troubled teen, and my family tried all the local options first. Being sent to a program for myself, was truly the end of the line, the absolute and final option. The program saved my life, pulling along myself as an unwilling participant, kicking and screaming, desperate to end their own life, through extensive drug use and extremely suicidal behaviors.
Fornits has a lot of threads recently about drama between members here, satire and claims and counter claims. To a new poster here, these threads are gibberish and mean nothing to them. So in this thread, I am going to focus on my experience, how things really were in my experience, and working hard to be honest with myself even if it causes self incrimination and repudiation. I am willing to be open, in the name of honesty, because I don't post here with an agenda. I'm sure some people will read what I write, and my experiences, and conclude I was held captive against my will, even abused, and ultimately brainwashed into the current damaged and/or mentally ill person I am today. But other people will read it, and understand and empathize with the honest accounts of my own experiences, and come to their own conclusion that I am trying my best to be accurate in both my presentation and representation of all my various experiences, and ultimate conclusions based on them.
I deserved, and desperately needed to be sent to a program. That statement would of made me uncomfortable to say a few years ago. It was more comfortable to think of myself as a victim of outside forces, my parents, the program, and society. I worked hard to fill my mind with information to corroborate this blame, and it works, for a while. But my deep desire to find the truth in my own experiences ultimately led to another realization, and that is that if I had been left to my own devices, I would have killed myself with drugs or my behaviors. My parents tried therapy and I would sit their quietly, happy in the thought of wasting their money and making the therapist angry. When I was caught with drugs and alcohol I was sent to a residential state run program, but manipulated my way out, by running away. Because they didn't have a policy for that, run, and you're free. So I was my parents problem again. I kept using, kept stealing, kept doing whatever I felt like and finally my parents had enough. They sent me where I could not manipulate my way out, or run away, or sit there and be silent and waste their money. They sent me to a program.
I was angry, and tried my best to get out through any means necessary. I used some disgusting tactics, that I am not proud of, but I am willing to be honest at the lengths I was willing to go in order to get what I want. The program stood firm, the first people to ever do this to me. I fought more, and they continued to stand firm. Eventually I realized it wasn't going to work, and changed my tactics of self destruction and opened my ears a bit to what they had to say. But I was never brainwashed as described on this forum, I was not ready then to admit that they had in fact just saved my life. It took some time of careful deliberation and thinking, and the most painful thing, to admit I was wrong. I was not a victim of anybody, only a victim of my extremely detrimental and self destructive choices. This was a hard pill to swallow, but accepting something like this is easy, because it feels completely true with everything I am. So here I am today, alive, and well, all because my parents had the fortitude to stick with the program, through all my manipulative communications and threats I sent them, they stood firm and told me no. No, you can not have the freedom to destroy yourself while you are still my child.
What can I say? I am more grateful than anyone can possibly imagine. I never thanked anybody at the program, for putting up with my constant bullshit and manipulations. But I did get a chance to thank my parents for saving my life, years after the fact, when I realized this truth after maturing and developing the ability to be honest with myself. I am not saying this is the experience of everybody who posts here. I can only speak for myself. I was a very troubled teen, on a unstoppable path of self destruction. It took a secured and tightly controlled program to keep me from accomplishing this fatal goal. This is my experience, and this is my truth. Perhaps I am the only person that has had this experience, I really can't speak for others. But I want to share my experience on this forum, and with other people who experienced, because I can and because it's true. Thank you for reading this. Remember, my intent in posting this is not to offend anyone. It is only to share my own opinions on my own experience. Let's show new fornits users what this forum can be like, and keep this thread civil. I promise to act civil, if you do. It's time to move fornits, to a more mature conversation. Join me, and let's get to work.
Go to an AA or NA website to preach your Stepcraft...
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Dude. You're signature kinda gives it away "one day at a time". Same as your old username, SUCK IT. What's the matter? You tarnished your last name so much after being exposed as a liar (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=655) you figured you'd just invent a new name and nobody would notice. You lied about being blackmailed to make this forum look bad. You wrote "This thread documents the failed attempt to blackmail me into silence. This is a common occurrence on this forum, beware releasing personal information to people here, say the wrong thing, and that info might be used against you." when in fact you had suffered no threats. There was no blackmail.
Why should anybody believe anything you have to say. You probably weren't even in a program. Just another pack of lies. It's why you won't provide any details other than the hollow refrain of "the program saved my life".
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Let's keep it civil, people.
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No. You aren't worth it.
Just another spam thread.
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If anybody has a good faith question to ask, go ahead, please. If you want to post something respectful and civil, as I have, then I will choose to respond. But I"ll tell you right now, I will not be responding to angry accusations, conspiracy theories, or insults. I'm trying to accomplish something here, you can be a part of it, or not. That choice is yours, but if we can have a mature conversation then fornits wins, so we all win. With the status quo everybody loses.
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Let's keep it civil, people.
Civility can return when people quit preaching stepcraft here... ::deadhorse::
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If anybody has a good faith question to ask, go ahead, please. If you want to post something respectful and civil, as I have, then I will choose to respond. But I"ll tell you right now, I will not be responding to angry accusations, conspiracy theories, or insults. I'm trying to accomplish something here, you can be a part of it, or not. That choice is yours, but if we can have a mature conversation then fornits wins, so we all win. With the status quo everybody loses.
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Sounds just like the Who....
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Let's keep it civil, people.
i;ll give you 3 chances to guess my response,
Very good you're right,
itwas GO FUCK YOURSELF!
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In order for us to have a meaningful conversation I must first know WHICH PROGRAM you were in. Oh who the fuck am i kidding....Fuck You - SUCK IT.
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Well SUCK IT, it turns out you are a liar and willing to play dirty underhanded games to manipulate peoples view of programs. You pretended someone on fornits was blackmailing you into silence by threatening to approach your boss about things you admitted about yourself. You attempted to lie and discredit posters by posing as your own attacker to cast doubt on those critical of programs.
It is clear your program failed you, if you even went. You spoke of becoming a good and decent person because of your program. I wonder what you think you mean when you say you learned ‘honesty’ and ‘accountability’? To hear you come on here over and over preaching about your ‘positive’ growth in programs with such genuine sentiment only to show you would top that façade by choosing to fake being PosterX, lying about blackmailing yourself so that you could effectively blackmail fornits. It is clear that your program taught you nothing but how to be a cheat and a liar. Thanks for finally getting open about who you really are and the kind of values we can expect programs to impose on vulnerable youth.
You have no one to blame but yourself. You either chose to betray your values, or you really have no shame. I’m sure you will continue to lie to yourself and tell yourself that you feel good about what you did but you don’t. And the few folks who have backed your stances before are not going to come out in support of you doing what you did here, faking being a blackmail victim to falsely win over peoples sympathies. Those people who have been in support of you know what you did was wrong, even if they have been too afraid to say that openly.
It is unfortunate that you had to resort to such lies and deception to maintain your support for these places. I don’t expect that you will ever hold yourself accountable for your choosing to use lies and deception to manipulate someone to give up their child. It is sad to think there are desperate parents getting conned by people like you.
I’m sorry for giving you any extra attention than you are already getting over this, you are clearly getting off on wallowing in it.
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I am free to post satire if I want, it's not against the rules here. Neither is posting under another username. It's obvious that thread bothered you a lot. I think it was so over the top, it was obviously tongue in cheek and most people figured that out on the first page. Now some would love to hang this around my neck, the scarlet letter of diminished credibility. If it bothers you that much, I don't know what to say. I think satire has it's place in discussions, and makes some valuable points, and is humorous. Obviously I made some people angry, but then again my simple presence enrages people, and every post I make since I started posting here is met with insults and hatred. So no, I'm not worried about that thread having an impact on my credibility.
Most people understand satire and it's purpose, but the haters are going to attempt to use anything to discredit me, as people who stalk whooter attempt to do. This thread has nothing to do with that, but yet it's been brought up, simply in an attempt to discredit me. Nobody can argue against what I posted, because it's true, and it really happened. It doesn't surprise me though, because this is how fornits has responded to my posts since I let it be known a program saved my life. If only I had called myself survivor and admitted I was abused, then my posterX satirical thread would have been considered "good fun!" instead of "malicious". I should say, your post was on the line of getting into disrespectful, so if you want a response next time let's keep it a bit more civil. Notice my posts don't contain my theories about other people, insults, or constant attempts to discredit people? That is because I let my arguments stand on their own, and let people decide for themselves. Thanks for posting.
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If anybody has a good faith question to ask, go ahead, please. If you want to post something respectful and civil, as I have, then I will choose to respond. But I"ll tell you right now, I will not be responding to angry accusations, conspiracy theories, or insults. I'm trying to accomplish something here, you can be a part of it, or not. That choice is yours, but if we can have a mature conversation then fornits wins, so we all win. With the status quo everybody loses.
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Sounds just like the Who....
Just like Who... Totally avoided responding to what I highlighted... Makes me believe that I am right !!!! ::OMG::
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If anybody has a good faith question to ask, go ahead, please. If you want to post something respectful and civil, as I have, then I will choose to respond. But I"ll tell you right now, I will not be responding to angry accusations, conspiracy theories, or insults. I'm trying to accomplish something here, you can be a part of it, or not. That choice is yours, but if we can have a mature conversation then fornits wins, so we all win. With the status quo everybody loses.
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Sounds just like the Who....
Just like Who... Totally avoided responding to what I highlighted... Makes me believe that I am right !!!! ::OMG::
Jeesh, I just had all my posts tied to my user name, Botched. I am not this guy Maxmillian... lol here we go again.
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As I predicted in the posterX thread, reality has no impact upon the conspiracy theories on fornits. There is no possible way to "prove your innocence" on fornits, which makes the phrase an ironic absurdity.
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If anybody has a good faith question to ask, go ahead, please. If you want to post something respectful and civil, as I have, then I will choose to respond. But I"ll tell you right now, I will not be responding to angry accusations, conspiracy theories, or insults. I'm trying to accomplish something here, you can be a part of it, or not. That choice is yours, but if we can have a mature conversation then fornits wins, so we all win. With the status quo everybody loses.
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Sounds just like the Who....
Just like Who... Totally avoided responding to what I highlighted... Makes me believe that I am right !!!! ::OMG::
Jeesh, I just had all my posts tied to my user name, Botched. I am not this guy Maxmillian... lol here we go again.
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You have to admit Who... Read the red print and tell me those word don't sound like they are coming out of you... as I said earlier.. IP's can change just by using an air card vs using dsl
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I am free to post satire if I want, it's not against the rules here. Neither is posting under another username. It's obvious that thread bothered you a lot. I think it was so over the top, it was obviously tongue in cheek and most people figured that out on the first page.
Satire? Let's let the readers decide You made very clear and very serious allegations of fact. You first wrote:
I am taking an indefinite break from fornits starting from this point. It has been made clear to me via email and text message that somebody here is not happy with my opinions and is threatening to fax my posts about drug use and suicide to my boss, which they confirmed they know who it is. I am a new employee and this drama would likely end in me being fired, and unfortunately I cannot take this chance at this point in my life. I have stated my opinions, and you know how I truly feel. I was instructed to post this thread titled "I am a bitch" and to confirm that I am really a program parent pretending to be a troubled teen because I'm brainwashed. Well I did it, but I will not leave without an explanation. I know you are reading this. I did what you asked, if you have any semblance of a soul you will let this end now. If I get fired it's not just my life that will be ruined, people depend on me. I'd ask that all my posts are deleted but I know they have already been copied. So long, fornits.
Turns out there was no blackmail. You created PosterX to scare others off. Satire? When I did this, you disappeared (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30972&start=75#p374801). Probably took you a while to come up with a way out... So you decided to "stand up for free speech" despite fictional risks to your job and changed your story to this:
This thread documents the failed attempt to blackmail me into silence. This is a common occurrence on this forum, beware releasing personal information to people here, say the wrong thing, and that info might be used against you.
I don't see the satire. You made serious false allegations. If your arguments "stand on your own" then why the need to defame others who disagree with you. You know damn well what you did. Why should anybody believe you when you say you were in a program. Apart from you claiming it was a WWASP program there are no other details... probably because a good portion of WWASP schools got shut down by the authorities and the other half caved in to bad PR.
If you went to SCLA, chances are you were at some point locked in the hobbit (http://http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/springcreek/hobbit.jpg). If you went to TB maybe Jay Kay or Randall Hinton pepper sprayed you (http://http://www.fornits.com/WWASP/TranquilityBayDocumentary.mp4) until you got chemical burns. How about the dog cages at High Impact (http://http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/highimpact/highimpactkids.html). Even the mexicans were appalled. Everybody from the FTC to the State Department has said "stay the hell away". Montana PBS did their own documentary (http://http://watch.montanapbs.org/video/1430387622/) (covers a good few WWASP programs). Is THAT how they saved your life. TELL ME. You claim they saved you life then I want to hear more than pathetic anecdote. I want to hear you describe what they had to do to break you down and I want to hear you justify it. I want to hear you justify the beatings. Don't lie to me and say it did't happen because in EVERY single WWASP program there has been documented and often well publicized abuse. Tell me how beating you down and training you like a dog was justified. Tell me why it was necessary!
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You are putting a lot of effort into discrediting me. That's your choice. But look at the original post in this thread, it's got nothing to do with the posterX satire thread. You should of posted this spiel there, but this is yet another attempt to discredit what I said here, using what I said in the past against me. It's a common tactic I see people using with Whooter, to me it seems like a waste of all your time. You could come up with equally personal and honest post as I post, and probably convince more people with that. Oh well, it's your choice. Thanks for posting.
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You are putting a lot of effort into discrediting me. That's your choice. But look at the original post in this thread, it's got nothing to do with the posterX satire thread. You should of posted this spiel there, but this is yet another attempt to discredit what I said here, using what I said in the past against me. It's a common tactic I see people using with Whooter, to me it seems like a waste of all your time. You could come up with equally personal and honest post as I post, and probably convince more people with that. Oh well, it's your choice. Thanks for posting.
You didn't answer a single one of my questions. You want my to focus on the issues rather than your charachter... fIne.
1. Let's start with what WWASP program you claim to have been in. You want people to take your story seriously you have to back it up with more than "the program saved my life generalities.
2. What, specifically, did they do to break you down.
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Nobody can argue against what I posted, because it's true, and it really happened.
Oh, sure. Just not to you. Ya conveniently left that part out! :D
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Please answer the question Max/SUCK IT . Which program saved your life? It seems that you would want to sing its praises and let everyone here know how wrong we are to condemn this program. It doesn't make any sense at all, unless of course, you never actually attended a program.
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You went to a WWASP school and won't tell us the name. Fair enough. Tell me about the seminars. What were the names of the seminars? How long were they? What were the themes?
Thank you for posting in a civil and respectful way. As far as I know, those who attended seminars in WWASP programs were sworn to secrecy in the beginning of the seminars, and so if this is indeed where I went, I am bound by my oath not to discuss them. I'm sorry but the current paradigm of exchanging my personal information for credibility is not going to work for me. I'll release as much information as I feel comfortable with, right now I'm going to keep some things private, I hope you understand. Thank you for your post.
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You went to a WWASP school and won't tell us the name. Fair enough. Tell me about the seminars. What were the names of the seminars? How long were they? What were the themes?
Thank you for posting in a civil and respectful way. As far as I know, those who attended seminars in WWASP programs were sworn to secrecy in the beginning of the seminars, and so if this is indeed where I went, I am bound by my oath not to discuss them. I'm sorry but the current paradigm of exchanging my personal information for credibility is not going to work for me. I'll release as much information as I feel comfortable with, right now I'm going to keep some things private, I hope you understand. Thank you for your post.
Yes, I went to a CEDU school and understand those rules. Those rules applied when you in the program no when you left the program. Hence, you are being sarcastic and making excuses. I'm sorry, I don't accept your answer, nor do other people.
You are free to draw your own conclusions, as is every reader here. It appears you have made the claim to speak for others, will you please let us know what other people you are speaking for besides yourself? CEDU rules are apparently different than WWASP rules, because as far as I know, the oath at seminars had no time limit placed upon it. This further proves the point that not all programs are identical, and assuming so, as many do on fornits, leads to false assumptions. Thanks for your post.
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You went to a WWASP school and won't tell us the name. Fair enough. Tell me about the seminars. What were the names of the seminars? How long were they? What were the themes?
Thank you for posting in a civil and respectful way. As far as I know, those who attended seminars in WWASP programs were sworn to secrecy in the beginning of the seminars, and so if this is indeed where I went, I am bound by my oath not to discuss them. I'm sorry but the current paradigm of exchanging my personal information for credibility is not going to work for me. I'll release as much information as I feel comfortable with, right now I'm going to keep some things private, I hope you understand. Thank you for your post.
So parents are required to keep the events of this seminar secret even from their parents? Why is that?
Are you worried if you give specifics those here or parents just wouldn't understand the bizarre rituals? Wouldn't understand the necessary means? Or is it just that you do not know what went on because you were never there.
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As far as I know, parents of kids in the WWASP programs go to their own seminars. I'm sure they have their own sets of rules and agreements, I can't comment on it because I don't know. Probably best to ask a parent who went through those seminars those questions.
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As far as I know, parents of kids in the WWASP programs go to their own seminars. I'm sure they have their own sets of rules and agreements, I can't comment on it because I don't know. Probably best to ask a parent who went through those seminars those questions.
I'm not asking WWASP's bizarre parents Premier Education seminars (http://http://www.insidersview.info/canitrustthem.htm). I'm asking about the kid's seminars, which you supposedly attended. You know that giving information about the program you went to in no way identifies you. Hundreds of kids have gone to any given WWASP program. Why the reluctance? I get the distinct feeling you don't know what the hell you're talking about, which leaves me to conclude that if you are not a student you're either WWASP marketing, a parent selling referrals like Sue Scheff, or a combination of both.
So come on now. Tell us something about the program other than a generic testimonial that could more or less be copy pasted off any number of program websites. It's not personal information. It's information about the program you're selling. Come on now.
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You are free to believe me or not, I could care less. I don't feel the need to prove myself to you, even if you question my credibility. People who have read my posts, over time, know that I know what I'm talking about. There are plenty of posts where people describe what happens in WWASP seminars, if it was my intent to fake this information it could easily be done. But that's not my intent, and I will choose to post information when and if I see fit. I will not respond like a trained dog, and jump through hoops all because you say "I don't believe you". You know why? Because I don't care what you, or anybody else here thinks about me. I have nothing to prove, and don't feel the need to. People are free to read what posts and information I choose to write about, and draw their own conclusions, just as you are. Thanks for posting.
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You are putting a lot of effort into discrediting me. That's your choice. But look at the original post in this thread, it's got nothing to do with the posterX satire thread. You should of posted this spiel there, but this is yet another attempt to discredit what I said here, using what I said in the past against me. It's a common tactic I see people using with Whooter, to me it seems like a waste of all your time. You could come up with equally personal and honest post as I post, and probably convince more people with that. Oh well, it's your choice. Thanks for posting.
Psy nailed it on the head. This game is coming to an end for you.
How sad. :fuckoff:
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Max is about to hit "Rock bottom." :rocker:
The Imagine propheet (CEDU)
Rock Bottom
A term/concept from the imagine propheet. Rock bottom.. or "who you were, rock bottom" was another term for inner child, as the imagine propheet deals with the inner child concept and regression similar to the children's propheet.
The John Lennon song "Imagine" is used throughout this propheet and by the of the "exercises" you were supposed to have reached your rock bottom.
An exercise in the imagine propheet. This replaced the rap that occurs in the other six propheets.
Staff initiate the exercise by asking "Who has something to say?" Students then engage in disorganized arguing. Unlike a rap, there is little to no structure, and is more of an open melee. Staff never reveal to the students what the purpose of the exercise is, so there is a significant amount of confusion and frustration through the entire exercise. It is unknown at this point whether the game in the imagine is similar in any way to Synanon's the game.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :bs: :moon: :fuckoff: :fuckoff: :fuckoff: :roflmao: :sue: ::unhappy:: ::deadhorse:: :twofinger: :twofinger: :rocker: :rocker: :notworthy:
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You are free to believe me or not, I could care less. I don't feel the need to prove myself to you, even if you question my credibility. People who have read my posts, over time, know that I know what I'm talking about. There are plenty of posts where people describe what happens in WWASP seminars, if it was my intent to fake this information it could easily be done. But that's not my intent, and I will choose to post information when and if I see fit. I will not respond like a trained dog, and jump through hoops all because you say "I don't believe you". You know why? Because I don't care what you, or anybody else here thinks about me. I have nothing to prove, and don't feel the need to. People are free to read what posts and information I choose to write about, and draw their own conclusions, just as you are. Thanks for posting.
But you're not answering any questions at all. If you wished to make this thread your own private soap box rather than a real discussion you should have stated such from the beginning. Besides. I don't want to hear other's perceptions of what went on, I want to hear yours, as likely do parents. If there is nothing bad about the WWASP program you attended as you claim, you should have no problem answering reasonable questions about the program's structure and practices. These are not personal or confidential questions unless you consider what goes on in the program to be confidential in and of itself (in which case, why would a parent trust their kid to such unknowns).
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But you're not answering any questions at all. If you wished to make this thread your own private soap box rather than a real discussion you should have stated such from the beginning. Besides. I don't want to hear other's perceptions of what went on, I want to hear yours, as likely do parents. If there is nothing bad about the WWASP program you attended as you claim, you should have no problem answering reasonable questions about the program's structure and practices. These are not personal or confidential questions unless you consider what goes on in the program to be confidential in and of itself (in which case, why would a parent trust their kid to such unknowns).
Sorry, I refuse to jump through your hoops. I suppose this hurts my standing amongst the cult, shucks for me.
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By the way. I do answer good faith questions from people who are respectful. People who have discussed things with me know this. But attempting to interrogate me to illicit information you think can be used to discredit me or the program I went to, sorry I don't play that game guys.
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By the way. I do answer good faith questions from people who are respectful.
You don't seem to be answering questions from anybody at all.
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By the way. I do answer good faith questions from people who are respectful.
You don't seem to be answering questions from anybody at all.
Two people have asked questions so far. You and Joel. I answered Joel. You showed me your agenda yesterday when you broke your own rules and released my personal info against my wishes, so I know you aren't asking in good faith. Perhaps in time, I might trust you enough to answer your questions, if you can prove to me with your posts from now on that you are in fact interested in hearing another perspective on what happens in programs. Most people here are openly hostile to this idea, of an open free for all discussion, your actions yesterday also took away from this claim. I'll post what I feel like, and answer questions when I feel like it. Like I said, I don't care what people think about me here. I'm not pushing any agenda, don't you think if I was pushing WWASP programs I'd link to them, or talk about specifics? I'm here to tell the truth about my experiences, I'm reluctant to release personal information to a mob of people who are obviously hostile towards me. I think you must understand that on some level. Thanks for your post.
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By the way. I do answer good faith questions from people who are respectful.
You don't seem to be answering questions from anybody at all.
Two people have asked questions so far. You and Joel. I answered Joel. You showed me your agenda yesterday when you broke your own rules and released my personal info against my wishes,
I posted no personal information of yours and you expressly indicated that I did exactly what you wanted me to do, what you admitted quite clearly was your desire (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30972&p=375193#p375193)to have done: post proof that you fabricated the blackmail story (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30972&start=180#p375171). Not to bring it up again but did you or did you not desire to have me post proof. Consider your statements such as "I was hoping for this precise outcome" and "Post your proof I'm posterX, I'm waiting." You're a liar. Nothing more, and because you are a liar about that I do not believe the rest of your story. I do not believe you were in a program. You claim you will not answer questions but since there is no rational reason not to, I believe you cannot. You can call us crazy conspiracy theorists like you did last time when people suspected you were PosterX, comparing it to Obama's birth certificate. They were right back then despite your whooping and hollering and chances are, they're right now too.
so I know you aren't asking in good faith. Perhaps in time, I might trust you enough to answer your questions, if you can prove to me with your posts from now on that you are in fact interested in hearing another perspective on what happens in programs. Most people here are openly hostile to this idea, of an open free for all discussion, your actions yesterday also took away from this claim. I'll post what I feel like, and answer questions when I feel like it. Like I said, I don't care what people think about me here. I'm not pushing any agenda, don't you think if I was pushing WWASP programs I'd link to them, or talk about specifics?
No, I don't, because specifics are generally very easy to refute in the case of well known programs like WWASP. There is video tape of Randall Hinton admitting he pepper sprays kids repeatedly into compliance. There is testimony of a parent who came unannounced and saw a kid duct taped to a chair (in a US based program). There is consierable evidence of abuse at Spring Creek Lodge and corruption with the local authorities as documented in the PBS documentary, Who's Watching the kids (http://http://watch.montanapbs.org/video/1430387622/). There is video tape, taken by the mexican authorities and given to Inside Edition of kids tied down in the sun in dog cages at High Impact. There is mountains of sworn testimony. There is the ex-director of Dundee Ranch in Costa Rica who came foward as a whistleblower and detailed horiffic accounts of abuse. There are photos of the unsanitary and inhuman isolation rooms. There is solid documentary evidence to connect the Premier Workshops to LifeSpring.
There ample evidence of deceptive marketing practiced, as evidenced on this forum (we've even been spammed by WWASP spambots). There are well documented and supported horror stories for just about every single WWASP program. Kids forced by staff to abuse other kids in the name of their treatment. Unsafe restraints... Even deaths. WWASP is absolutely the easiest to pick apart. The reason you don't mention your program is that you know that as soon as you do i'll pile on the evidence and blow your story full of holes. Just like your earlier games you played on the "boo hoo, somebody blackmailed me" thread, you're stuck, and you don't know how to continue. Your'e used to speaking to the uninformed. Your'e used to speaking to parents who do not know the right questions to ask. You're used to being able to persuade with emotion and the standard "program saved my life" marketing spiel. Solid fact is not something you deal in and when confronted you are incapable of response. That is the reason you do not respond, not out of some feigned offense.
I offend you? You sicken me.
I'm here to tell the truth about my experiences, I'm reluctant to release personal information to a mob of people who are obviously hostile towards me.
Information about a program is not personal information. Cut the manipulation and quit with the "waah... personal information... waah... i'm not answering you... you're a meanie!".
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I simply refuse to answer yours. Thanks for your post.
I'm not the only informed one here. Others will ask the same questions. And you do not respond to them... then everybody will know the truth, just like they knew the truth about you being PosterX even before you asked me to confirm it.
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Maximilian could you please tell me who facilitated your first wwasp seminar?
Were you strip searched and drug tested on arrival?
Did your facility have a restraint policy?
Could you please tell me about the facilities abuse hotline policy?
I'm being polite, I'd really appreciate an answer, thank you.
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Maximilian, Did you ever see anyone restrained?
Did you participate in worksheets?
Could you please tell me if that facility experienced any runaways?
Could you please describe the stage system for me?
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Did the program have an isolation room?
Did you spend any time in the isolation room? If yes, how much time?
Was your family charged extra for this time in the isolation room?
Who did the catching of run aways at your program?
Did you ever see anyone restrained for something not a matter of the person's health and safety or another person's health and safety?
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Hello there, thank you for taking an interest in this topic. I am going to talk about in this thread how a program managed to save my life, and why it was absolutely necessary. Let me first say, I don't claim every teen should be sent to a program. I was a particularly troubled teen, and my family tried all the local options first. Being sent to a program for myself, was truly the end of the line, the absolute and final option. The program saved my life, pulling along myself as an unwilling participant, kicking and screaming, desperate to end their own life, through extensive drug use and extremely suicidal behaviors.
Fornits has a lot of threads recently about drama between members here, satire and claims and counter claims. To a new poster here, these threads are gibberish and mean nothing to them. So in this thread, I am going to focus on my experience, how things really were in my experience, and working hard to be honest with myself even if it causes self incrimination and repudiation. I am willing to be open, in the name of honesty, because I don't post here with an agenda. I'm sure some people will read what I write, and my experiences, and conclude I was held captive against my will, even abused, and ultimately brainwashed into the current damaged and/or mentally ill person I am today. But other people will read it, and understand and empathize with the honest accounts of my own experiences, and come to their own conclusion that I am trying my best to be accurate in both my presentation and representation of all my various experiences, and ultimate conclusions based on them.
I deserved, and desperately needed to be sent to a program. That statement would of made me uncomfortable to say a few years ago. It was more comfortable to think of myself as a victim of outside forces, my parents, the program, and society. I worked hard to fill my mind with information to corroborate this blame, and it works, for a while. But my deep desire to find the truth in my own experiences ultimately led to another realization, and that is that if I had been left to my own devices, I would have killed myself with drugs or my behaviors. My parents tried therapy and I would sit their quietly, happy in the thought of wasting their money and making the therapist angry. When I was caught with drugs and alcohol I was sent to a residential state run program, but manipulated my way out, by running away. Because they didn't have a policy for that, run, and you're free. So I was my parents problem again. I kept using, kept stealing, kept doing whatever I felt like and finally my parents had enough. They sent me where I could not manipulate my way out, or run away, or sit there and be silent and waste their money. They sent me to a program.
I was angry, and tried my best to get out through any means necessary. I used some disgusting tactics, that I am not proud of, but I am willing to be honest at the lengths I was willing to go in order to get what I want. The program stood firm, the first people to ever do this to me. I fought more, and they continued to stand firm. Eventually I realized it wasn't going to work, and changed my tactics of self destruction and opened my ears a bit to what they had to say. But I was never brainwashed as described on this forum, I was not ready then to admit that they had in fact just saved my life. It took some time of careful deliberation and thinking, and the most painful thing, to admit I was wrong. I was not a victim of anybody, only a victim of my extremely detrimental and self destructive choices. This was a hard pill to swallow, but accepting something like this is easy, because it feels completely true with everything I am. So here I am today, alive, and well, all because my parents had the fortitude to stick with the program, through all my manipulative communications and threats I sent them, they stood firm and told me no. No, you can not have the freedom to destroy yourself while you are still my child.
What can I say? I am more grateful than anyone can possibly imagine. I never thanked anybody at the program, for putting up with my constant bullshit and manipulations. But I did get a chance to thank my parents for saving my life, years after the fact, when I realized this truth after maturing and developing the ability to be honest with myself. I am not saying this is the experience of everybody who posts here. I can only speak for myself. I was a very troubled teen, on a unstoppable path of self destruction. It took a secured and tightly controlled program to keep me from accomplishing this fatal goal. This is my experience, and this is my truth. Perhaps I am the only person that has had this experience, I really can't speak for others. But I want to share my experience on this forum, and with other people who experienced, because I can and because it's true. Thank you for reading this. Remember, my intent in posting this is not to offend anyone. It is only to share my own opinions on my own experience. Let's show new fornits users what this forum can be like, and keep this thread civil. I promise to act civil, if you do. It's time to move fornits, to a more mature conversation. Join me, and let's get to work.
What I find fascinating is how effortlessly SuckIt streams from lie to lie.
First, she earnestly begged posterX not to post her info because “people depend on her.”
I never went to a program, I made it all up. I am program parent who is brainwashed, trying to convince parents on fornits to send their kids to programs, like I did. Please disregard everything I have ever said on fornits, because it's not true. Every program is abusive and program parents like me should kill themselves.
Explanation: I am taking an indefinite break from fornits starting from this point. It has been made clear to me via email and text message that somebody here is not happy with my opinions and is threatening to fax my posts about drug use and suicide to my boss, which they confirmed they know who it is. I am a new employee and this drama would likely end in me being fired, and unfortunately I cannot take this chance at this point in my life. I have stated my opinions, and you know how I truly feel. I was instructed to post this thread titled "I am a bitch" and to confirm that I am really a program parent pretending to be a troubled teen because I'm brainwashed. Well I did it, but I will not leave without an explanation. I know you are reading this. I did what you asked, if you have any semblance of a soul you will let this end now. If I get fired it's not just my life that will be ruined, people depend on me. I'd ask that all my posts are deleted but I know they have already been copied. So long, fornits..
Then she sanctimoniously decries “blackmail” in subsequent posts (many of which she has since deleted).
Then she quite convincingly impersonated a not so sophisticated blackmailer, going so far as to steal photos and post them, and write a very convincing back story about “his” dependant cats. Then, she sanctimoniously, self righteously, passionately gives the reasons why she won’t allow Psy to prove that she and posterX have different IP types
Then she continually insists she is a victim of extremist “cult member” “conspiracy theories” when psy and co suggest she’s posterX and continually insists that she’s being blackmailed, until psy proves, yes, she’s posterX
I usually ignore conspiracy theories but I'll humor you for a moment. I have dial up internet. That means my IP address changes every time I sign in here. So even if I was another poster, it would be from a different IP address. You are asking for proof of something you really dont' want the answer to. But, let me make clear, I refuse to have this information made public, as a matter of principle.
I will not cede my personal information to an angry mob of cult extremists demanding proof to negate their outlandish theories of the moment. .
(she deleted most of her posts on this subject)
Then she responds to psy’s proving that you and posterX have the same IP by insisting everything she previously wrote (and mostly, erased) was some kind of “tongue in cheek” satire exercise.
She even has the nerve to attack psy as unethical for stopping her from continuing her fraud. It amazes me that she feels entitled to engage in fraud and that the administrators have to keep her secrets. I am amazed by her shamelessness. But then she’s a program parent…so why should I be surprised?
So, what are the names of her other spckpuppets? Is Nazi2 one of them?
How about you give permission fo psy to post all the names of all your sockpuppets? It would be interesting to see how many other "satires" (fraudulent deceits) you've pulled. Tricking and lying isn't "satire." That's just the behavior of the people dedicated to the WWASP cult.
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And why'd you erase that your life was saved by WWASP, SUCK IT?