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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Nazi on September 29, 2003, 07:10:00 AM
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There was a student that was 18 that exercised his right to sign out of the program and Elan prevented her from doing so.Elan falsefied fake court commitment papers to keep her ther in an attempted to extrac more money from her family.
What is all came down too is Elan held her as hostage and got away with it.This practice was also used on other students in the past.Elan did what ever they could to get money from parents and students hometown board of Education.In most cases Elan lied to all parties so they could get money from them.
Elan program was suppose to be an 18 month program, as you can see it has extended to a whopping 30 plus month program now presently.Elan will do what ever it takes to keep students in there so they can fill their pockets with $$$.
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Nazi,
Is this story true?
Paul St. JOhn
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thats almost exactly what they did to me,, i was in e/4,,,the 1 time we had request priveleges,, i asked about my status to sign out self,, hving just turned 18. i was shown bogus records with my name on em, from n. carolina,, saying i was wanted on gtauto charges,, i had never been there.when i confronted jeffrey on this, i was told it would be looked into,,we then went tight house and i never heard another word about it,, thry controlled all accesses of communication,we had no privs to request a follow up.it wasnt until 6 months after i was moved to e/6 that i was informed of my ability to leave at any time,thus costing my father his pension.it wasnt until just recently that i realized it was possible thats y we went tight,, a diversion. they def didnt want my fathers money to stop pouring in,, id like to see how little they spent on running the parsonsfield house for that period.makes me wonder deded
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Well, IF you are right about the possibility of Elan keeping you there, when you should have been able to leave, knowingly, in order to make more cash, then they were holding you illegally, against your will.
Ol' Elan, just loves stacking up those criminal, and civil charges. ::bangin::
Paul St. John
PS Did you have any contact at all with your father at this time? Did he know that you had tried to sign out?
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nope , in a tight house,, we had no privs.. when i started recalling elan,, when moxley thing was in news,,, i asked him about it,, was the first he heard of it. i dont know about today,, but anyone there during my time{ early 80s} is aware of multiple civil and criminal right violations,,,, i never saw a female given proper ring protection,we didnt have cowboy ass kickins,, we had keep his face planted in the corner.lets not even talk about kitchen sanitation issues,with all the acting out people hitting the pan, is amazing no house ever came down with that{dare i say} shit eating desease,, :silly:
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On 2003-09-30 22:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
lets not even talk about kitchen sanitation issues,with all the acting out people hitting the pan, is amazing no house ever came down with that{dare i say} shit eating desease,,
LOL :smile:
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it was actually the face at the end that made me laugh.. looks like i left that out the quote..lol
Paul St. John
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Chocolate covered pretzel anyone??
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I have seen this happen to many 18 year olds. There was about 7 or so students in my house that turned 18 and they all wanted to sign out and Elan stalled them as much as they could.
One time Elan set up a resident after she signed out and had her picked up by a imposter police officer and she was told she either can go back to elan or go to jail.
Unfortunatly the student was very niave and gullable and beleived the bullshit story from the imposter police officer.
I suspect it was one of Joe Ricci's cronies that pulled this off. Joe was very contraversial and was infamous for pulling off the wall stunts like this.
Anyway the girl was forced to exercise a prolonged exhaustive search for truth in this matter and after about 3 months learned she had no such pending jail term and signed out.
Basically Elan got 3 months of $$$$ out of her family, all because Joe was a dishonest mother fucker.
What was a shame is the student had no evidence to proove this in a court of law.
I guess that is the beauty of owning and running a place like Elan, you can lie,scam, and cheat the resident's and get away with it.
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So, why didn't the kids/parents sue for unnecessary attendance. You guys should not have to pay for that. Also, the police scam is totally illegal. Totally. I went to CEDU and they didn't make people stay after 18...By then,some of them were brainwashed so they stayed. Others left on home visit. One was court-ordered for a DUI that killed someone.
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On 2004-08-19 17:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So, why didn't the kids/parents sue for unnecessary attendance. You guys should not have to pay for that. Also, the police scam is totally illegal. Totally. I went to CEDU and they didn't make people stay after 18...By then,some of them were brainwashed so they stayed. Others left on home visit. One was court-ordered for a DUI that killed someone."
So, why didn't the kids/parents sue for unnecessary attendance.
If memory serves me correctly I think the parents were not paying Elan, the students hometown school district was. Snd in most cases when a student that is 18 yrs or older signs out of Elan , Elan continues to bill the students hometown district until the then 18 month time frame was up.
Now I hear the average student is at Elan for over 30 months. Which brings me to a question. If Elan claimed to have such a high success rate back in the days, then why do they have to extend the average stay from 18 months to 30 months?
Elan's response most likely would be? Its all about the Benjamins...
Also, the police scam is totally illegal.
Yea no shit. I heard lots of stories about Joe's imposter police men. I once heard that Joe would use them at his race track to intimidate dead beats that placed private bets off the books.
I know Elan totally took advantage of court ordered children, Elan would continue to bill the funders even after months of the court order students departure.
I'm telling you, Elan is a huge fuckin scam and they get away with alot of $$$$ because they know how to utilize the loop holes.
I hope one day it back fires on them and they get shut down and fined.
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hey i love the name demon. got any news links for that post, i would love to read em?
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On 2004-08-19 21:58:00, SyN wrote:
"hey i love the name demon. got any news links for that post, i would love to read em?"
Sorry no news links, it was word of mouth info.But If I ever do find any links I will definately post the links for all to see.
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I went to elan to pick up my son in June. He hadn't earned a visit, but I wanted him to come home and graduate with his class in our hometown. After driving for 6 straight hours, I was told by Clair, (the evil one)that if I took him for his GRADUATION, he would not be allowed to come back for the summer session. The money doesn't seem to matter to them. No one seems to be in charge. I am so happy my son is out of there, but I am grateful that they saved him from a life of hell and educated him.
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My take on that scenarion is that after 20 years Clair has insight into what parents want. She wasbanking that you really wanted that summer session. She bet everything on it and won. She is good at getting what she wants from parents.
Your comments that "no one seemsto be in charge" are heartening. It is another indication that Elan is in a big decline. Lets see down to two houses no clear leadership sounds like its floundering to me.
Gotta love it
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my name is lisa shapiro...i grad from clares house in jan, so i prolly know ur son. my aim screenname is kerplunkpunk1311 i would love to tt u sometime. :smile:
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I was court ordered there but in court the judge never told me that i had to finish the program. So the day i turned 18 i brought up to sign out only to be told by staff that a request like that couldn't be answered right away and it would take some time. So i asked staff the next day or so about it and they told me since i was court ordered the answer was no. They also told me that they had spoken to my parents and they had said that even if i were to sign out that i couldn't go home. I then told staff that not going home was fine i just wanted out and either they gave me the papers to sign out or i would walk out. Staff said that i was court ordered i would be tackled if i touched the door. Two days later i get a fax from staff from a judge saying i had to graduate and there was no way around it. ::deal:: Few months later my Father calls Elan one morning and tells them he wants me home by the evening. I was on a plane and home by 3pm.
Now why couldn't i sign out at 18, but can have my parents pull me out with out a problem?
Was it for the $$$$, no it couldnt be not ELAN
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That was me!!!!!!! :wstupid:
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art do u ever stop bitching???? u are a fucking bitch!!!!
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On 2004-08-24 09:12:00, artman11111 wrote:
"CCT
Again you have fallen prey to the manipulation that Elan has perfected...
Reading your posts really sheds alot of light on the same tactics used today that were common from days past"
Hi Art, What is your point? I never said elan was great. I am just grateful they saved my son. He hated being there. He left jobless, not even a worker. Who cares,... not me! What I care about is that he made honors the last two marking terms, he has his diploma and he is pleasant to be with. Why do you want to blow the wind out of my sails? I just don't see your point. Can't you be happy for us and be pleased that NO KIDS are physically abused there any longer? You need to find the good in things. CCT
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abuse,theft,grand larcony,impersonating a police officer/officer of the court,bribery,sexual harrasment/abuse.
Sounds alot like the Elan i know.
Why do you think Elan hasnt sued anyone from this board(or others).They havent a leg to stand on and would be found guilty of many or all these charges.
How many of us would be happy to attend a court hearing if Elan sued any one of us ?????
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you got it Art.
fuk you bag head. bitching about some one bitching. thats fukn stupid.
cct man, (woooooman) listen. honors in terms of elan education is a fukn oxy-moron. homework ONLY on weekends, most classes 25 minutes. some like social studies consisted of watching the news. anyone could get A's. We were there. like it or not we know more on this subject then you can ever want to. And honestly do you want to? look at the trolls here. Some are straight up Idiots and or Socialially Inept due to the program that is and was Elan. Why dont you have your son post his elan memories here?
No offense but your on a different level here. I am not saying go away or quit posting. Just telling you whats up. I am GLAD that your son is not under their torture any more. I am happy that your hear learning about the program, but as Art said before do some research here in past pages.
Beleive it or not (as I am a bit harsh in my typing) but I am glad to hear your side and to read that your happier now and have a good relationship with your son. So please dont think that I am harping on you, i am just a blunt person, its who i am.
Mike
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Can't you be happy for us and be pleased that NO KIDS are physically abused there any longer? You need to find the good in things. CCT "
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CCT you should talk to Art sometime, he could enlighten you to what "his" elan was all about. If you knew half of what he went through then you would see. Ask him he will tell you, and probably I think as 2 stuborn ass people go, i think you two would probably be friends
afterwords. or not.....?
Mike
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You need a reality check. Do you just ignore what these people are saying. I think I have a fairly objective view on elan, I graduated from Re-Entry and had "Honors" for grades. Elan is focused on thier form of "therapy", not education. If you pulled your son out and are happy with his grades, you are sadly mistaken. We did watch the news for social studies, and we did have homework only on the weekends. It consisted of maybe 4 math problems and coloring, it was a joke.
I hope you and your son are still on the honeymoon phase. I was for two months, then the real world hit me. Elan did not prepare me for this. I was lucky, I stayed in college and got through. When the reality sets in it will be very difficult for you two, and the fake Elan education will leave him far behind. Because of the horrible education and lack of preperation for the real world, most elan alum struggle at first and many of us still do, regardless of the bullshit posts. Get some help and guidence before there is a hole so big it will be hard to get out of. After I graduated do you know how many follow up calls my family recieved from elan after 22 months and tens of thousands of dollars? Zero. There is help out there, you just have to ask, I offered my email and phone number before, you declined. The offer is still there. I wish you and your family the best of luck. I recieved some luck and ended up scared but doing as well as possible, if you can avoid the problems many of us face by learning and using the tools we never had (other Elan alum available and willing) dont pass it up.
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Lets see a degreed individual with Elan experience offering to help you process. Don't pass this oppertunity up it might be the difference between life and death.
CCT I am happy for you. A bad chapter is behind you both. However I am realsitic cause I was once in the post Elan phase myself.
Even if you do nothing the outcome may be all right. Just depends on how much of a survivor your son is and how strong his will is to abuse substances.
Regards
Robert
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Just in case it make you feel any better one of my degree's is in Psych and I have worked as a residential Coordinator of a group home. The residents were out of control teenagers, but the program was much differnet then Elan's. That work has helped me get a different point of view other than Elan's.
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Nailz, your allright man. If i am in in bean town were gonna catch a drink or two. gotta go to the world trade for a wine expo in january, maybe then?
mike
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sorry peeps thought i was signed in.
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Sure thing, what do you do involving wine?
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Hey Mike, will you send me your e-mail again? I can't find it in the old posts and I never wrote it down. I've been very busy. No time to e-mail. After we picked my son up from elan, we headed up to West Forks for some camping, kayaking, and rafting.....Robert, Thank you for your kind words. And for whoever was knocking the education, I never said "elan is great", they do a lot of things that really annoyed me. I am very hopeful that my son will stay on the right track. As for a education, when I speak to my son and read the letters he sent home, I could see he was learning ang growing. He feels beter about himself, and that is what really matters. I'll have him write sometime when it isn't so late.
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West Forks is a great area, thats great you did that with him.!
mike4119@netzero.com
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On 2004-08-27 19:05:00, JNAILZ wrote:
"Sure thing, what do you do involving wine?"
I run a wine store and a liquor store. I also used to do wine lists for restaurants but I pretty much dont have time to drive all over mass since my second daughter was born. I sell rare wines on the net as well but, since the family has grown I am trying to just work 60 hrs instead of 80.
mike
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On 2004-08-30 06:14:00, SyN wrote:
"West Forks is a great area, thats great you did that with him.!
mike4119@netzero.com"
Yes, We had a great time. Unfortunatally, my husband was having chest pains for a couple days (a guy who never gets sick),I thought he was having a heart attack, so we took him to the hospital. A 55 minute drive! Lucky for us it was a dislocated collarbone. He had to get on the raft a few days later with the little kids. We still had fun although there isn't much to do up there. I forget how lucky we are, having Yale New Haven Hospital just 10 minutes away.
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On 2003-09-30 22:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"nope , in a tight house,, we had no privs.. when i started recalling elan,, when moxley thing was in news,,, i asked him about it,, was the first he heard of it. i dont know about today,, but anyone there during my time{ early 80s} is aware of multiple civil and criminal right violations,,,, i never saw a female given proper ring protection,we didnt have cowboy ass kickins,, we had keep his face planted in the corner.lets not even talk about kitchen sanitation issues,with all the acting out people hitting the pan, is amazing no house ever came down with that{dare i say} shit eating desease,, :silly: "
They had cowboy ass kickens.
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A cowboy ass kickin .
I have witnessed . It was where a poor individual during their general meeting was slammed into one wall or two in every room of the house.
The unfortunate soul who was recieving this therapy was drug up the stairs (to get to the rooms up stairs) and drug back down to be bounced off the walls .
And when I say bounced I mean you saw the wall flex if you were on the otherside of the wall. Wooden walls made out of tongue and grove boards 3/4 of an inch thick.
The power of an incensed mob. awesomely painful to behold terrifying to be subjected to it.
One Human being that I saw this happen to was a 16 year old kid that could no more weigh 100 pounds dripping wet.
I saw this kids back after the administration of the cowboy ass kickin ,kruglik pulled up his shirt ,to this day the big black and blue ,purple brusing all over Chris's back, to this day still stands out in my mind .
And kruglik licking his lips.
to this day I cannot fathom the therapuetic value of the cowboy ass kickin.
I have been bumped off the web and just so everone knows this is my post Matt C. Hoffman
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On 2003-09-29 04:10:00, Nazi wrote:
"There was a student that was 18 that exercised his right to sign out of the program and Elan prevented her from doing so.Elan falsefied fake court commitment papers to keep her ther in an attempted to extrac more money from her family.
What is all came down too is Elan held her as hostage and got away with it.This practice was also used on other students in the past.Elan did what ever they could to get money from parents and students hometown board of Education.In most cases Elan lied to all parties so they could get money from them.
Elan program was suppose to be an 18 month program, as you can see it has extended to a whopping 30 plus month program now presently.Elan will do what ever it takes to keep students in there so they can fill their pockets with $$$."
The above statement is very true, I have heard some really far out excuses the staff had used back in the days when a student wanted to exercise his or her right to sign out. They (Elan) did everything possible to keep the students detained there, after all they would loose alot of money if the student left.
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It was always about the money...
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sure was, i called three weeks after graduation, not a fuckin single call back ...assfucks...hope they die
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Like I said, they dont give a shit because they are not receiving funds to talk to you.