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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 27, 2003, 02:54:00 PM
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Any one intersted in finding out about joining the lawsuit against Wasps, contact the Huron Law group at 310-284-3400. Figured it was time to remind people. :tup:
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tick tock tick tock the time is getting closer.
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Be sure Huron knows about Woodbury. Does anyone know what other people they are naming? All the parents that know the kids are being abused and continue with the brainwash.
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I think Huron should know there are parents who have refered other parents to these programs who are just as liable. This excuse being floated around that these "poor parents were brainwashed and just didn't know any better" won't pass the litmus test. Of course they knew better, which is explains why most of them they aren't referring kids anymore, but instead, are RECRUITING them for a class-action-lawsuit.
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actually it is giving so many the opportunity to right a wrong and a chance to make wwasps accountable. they taught us to be accountable, now we are practicing what we were taught. cant blame us now. careful what you wish for.
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This excuse being floated around that these "poor parents were brainwashed and just didn't know any better" won't pass the litmus test.
I agree. The parents are not brainwashed, if their child was abused, then they should get slapped with charges for child endangerment. What did they expect, they signed contracts that layed it all out on the line. They were turning their troubled teens over to a staff of untrained, unqualified an uneducated individuals. Now they want to blame others for the a decision that they themselves made. They feel bad because they put their child in harms way.
No, they weren't brainwashed.
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Now that is debatable.
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Not brainwashed, just highly motivated!!
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"Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful."--Friedrich Nietzsche
I've said this before and I suppose I'll say it again. If we could ship all the Program believers and perpetrators off to a nice, comfortable caribean island retreat, I'd be perfectly happy with that. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm not commenting on them deserving each other or insinuating that it should be run like Dundee or anything. I mean let them have good shelter, plenty of decent food and all the creature comforts. Just keep them isolated from the rest of society and never give them a chance to abuse another child.
That's not going to happen. But we can probably seperate them from any public funding, protection by the authorities and their bogus vaneer of legitimacy so that they never have the chance to abuse another child, ever.
Whether the parents are complicit or tricked is a really difficult question. Usually, it's a little of both. Regardless, they're still going to be these kids' parents and their kids' grandparents no matter what happens. Let the families try and work things out privately if they can.
668: The Neighbor of the Beast
--Anonymous Postman
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I know when we placed our son at Bethel Boys Academy, Lucedale, MS. we checked it our thoroughly. We were stronly urged to use a kidnapper to escort our son there. We wouldn't hear of it. We would never place our child at a place we hadn't visited and seen for ourselves. We spent many hours in conversation on the phone and in person. In the end being the computer nut I am I dug up all kinds of dirt on Herman and John Fountain, the owners of Bethel Boys. My son smuggled out the phone numbers of other children. Those parents, hearing that their children were abused, flew and drove immed. to Miss. to rescue their children. They had no idea. Some were even receiving those "monitored" phone calls so they just knew their son would have said something. It's a lie and a con built in scecrecy once they have your child and your money.
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What are the Huron people saying about all the newspaper articles, Inside Edition, magazine stuff since May? Anything about finding an impartial jury that hasn't read or seen something?
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Huron is very confident. Thanks for asking.
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I've called that number several times and even sent an email once and no one has gotten back to me. Has anyone gotten to speak with anyone from there???
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I and many people I know have spoken with them. Keep trying. As you can see, the case is getting bigger as they take longer to get back with you. And yes, they are very confident.
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Who is funding the costs of preparing for this class-action and why should anyone rely upon the weak feedback of some anonymous poster? Why doesn't HURON speak for itself on it's own website? This is very strange.
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Best not to email these folks, but to call them and ask to speak with someone. ASK questions about the viability of the class-action, when they expect to file and who the lead plaintiffs are. You might also ask for an explanation as to why the DELAY in filing rather than accept an explanation from an anonymous source who is clearly not an official spokesperson for HURON. Whatever you do, make sure you get the facts so you can make an INFORMED decision.
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There are no delays. Call HURON, like Anon said, get the facts from the firm.
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On 2003-10-02 09:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"rather than accept an explanation from an anonymous source who is clearly not an official "
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On 2003-10-01 22:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've called that number several times and even sent an email once and no one has gotten back to me. Has anyone gotten to speak with anyone from there???"
Wonder what that's all about? Not even a return call? I don't buy the "they're so busy with other families" that they don't have enough time. That's rude - to not even answer you. What does that say about Huron?
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On 2003-09-29 12:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think Huron should know there are parents who have refered other parents to these programs who are just as liable. This excuse being floated around that these "poor parents were brainwashed and just didn't know any better" won't pass the litmus test. Of course they knew better, which is explains why most of them they aren't referring kids anymore, but instead, are RECRUITING them for a class-action-lawsuit.
:flame: "
I'd rather sue the counselor and psychiatrist that recommends a kid to an inpatient rehab or hospital - pumping them with drugs for a diagnosis because the parents want a quick fix.
Or the counselor that sits with kid week after week with no results.
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On 2003-10-02 12:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2003-10-01 22:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've called that number several times and even sent an email once and no one has gotten back to me. Has anyone gotten to speak with anyone from there???"
Wonder what that's all about? Not even a return call? I don't buy the "they're so busy with other families" that they don't have enough time. That's rude - to not even answer you. What does that say about Huron? "
Rude and unprofessional!!!!!!
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On 2003-10-02 09:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I and many people I know have spoken with them. Keep trying. As you can see, the case is getting bigger as they take longer to get back with you. And yes, they are very confident."
Excuses are like ass..les - everybody's got one - in this case - A BIG ONE - :rofl:
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First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.
--Ghandi
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They win? YOu're talking about WWASPS right?
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Anon.,
Give me a break. Why would "Huron speak for its self" on this forum? Are you for real?
They owe you nothing! Nothing.
Wait and wonder.
Not everyone is welcomed. If you have not heard back that speaks for itself.
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[ This Message was edited by: imo on 2004-01-06 08:32 ]
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On 2003-10-02 18:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anon.,
Give me a break. Why would "Huron speak for its self" on this forum? Are you for real?
They owe you nothing! Nothing.
Wait and wonder.
Not everyone is welcomed. If you have not heard back that speaks for itself."
Not everyone is welcomed? What is this, a KANGAROO COURT? The anon who asked why HURON doesn't speak for itself was referring to HURON using THEIR OWN WEBSITE to promote their legal services, instead of relying upon an anonymous spokesperson (and/or Karen XYZ) to seemingly round up clients for them.
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(1) How did HURON get involved in this in the first place and (2) Who IS FUNDING the costs of preparing this lawsuit?
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On 2003-10-02 18:47:00, KarenZ wrote:
"I'm wondering if you've got the correct number to call?
I have never had a problem getting ahold of Rick Wilf at Huron, and I've called several times about getting my son interviewed. It took some planning to get them both a time they could talk. Email responses can take awhile - but thats not unusual.
I believe the current process for anyone interested is to email Rick Wilf; or write or fax; explain your a potential wwasp plaintiff; leave pertinent info - name, age, Program, dates in, and contact information ; and he then puts you on a call list and will do a phone call and interview.
Its possible you've missed the call - or the number was wrong - or something?
Try again, or just call and ask to speak with Mr. Wilf.
Richard Wilf
Huron Law Group
1801 Century Park East # 480
Los Angeles, CA 90067
310-284-3400
rwilf@huronlaw.com
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Karen, have you and your son joined the class-action lawsuit? Also, what is the role of the other lawfirm (Erin B.'s) and approximately how many families have joined to date?
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[ This Message was edited by: imo on 2004-01-06 08:32 ]
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I've noticed that every once in a while someone will post a call to action for Huron - over the past several months. This seems a little weird to me. If it was such a HUGE thing, why would there be a need to post on forums?
As for "fact-finding" that's pretty funny. No wonder it's taking so long - :silly:
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On 2003-10-02 20:54:00, KarenZ wrote:
"I have no idea about anything you asked.
Huron is Erin Brockavitche's group isn't it?
I don't think it can rightly be said anyone has 'joined' yet. Maybe one of the attornies who post now and then can clairify - but I wouldn't think that can be said to have taken place, until a contract for representation has been signed - and the action filed.
I think (think) what is going on now is more like fact finding and interviewing *possible* plaintiffs.
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Thanks Karen, for your response to the questions about HURON (which by the way, is not the same firm Erin B. is associated with). Since it costs money to research and conduct interviews with prospective clients, it is important to know who, if anyone, is underwriting these expenses. Second,it does appear the only way persons would know about this class-action-lawsuit is through posts on this forum and ISAC's website. Does that sound "right" to you? I mean, doesn't it make sense for HURON to provide this information through a press release and/or an announcement on their own website rather than depend upon here-today-gone-tomorrow posts? Just some food for thought ....
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I heard that Brockovich and Masry are financially supporting this lawsuit and the Huron Law Group is filing it. I dont think they asked anyone to advertise for plaintiffs for them, it is called word of mouth. Huron is VERY CONFIDENT. The day will be here probably sooner than you think. Then we will see what you have to say.
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On 2003-10-03 08:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I heard that Brockovich and Masry are financially supporting this lawsuit and the Huron Law Group is filing it. I dont think they asked anyone to advertise for plaintiffs for them, it is called word of mouth. Huron is VERY CONFIDENT. The day will be here probably sooner than you think. Then we will see what you have to say."
You "heard" translates to second hand information better known as HERESAY. How about some facts for a change?
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To Anonymous: HURON is VERY CONFIDENT about what? Specifics, not generalizations (or veiled threats) is what prospective clients should be hearing, don't you agree?
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Duh, you WWASPie. Do you actually think we are stupid enough to give you specifics to bring back to your leaders? Nope. Call them whatever you want to, veiled threats, generalizations bottom line is, :wave: :wave: :wave:
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Wonder what that's all about? Not even a return call? I don't buy the "they're so busy with other families" that they don't have enough time.
I'm the one who posted earlier saying I had called and no one had gotten back to me. Well it had only been a few days. I decided to just email them with the list of questions I had seen on ISAC answered. I received a phone call the next day. Wilf also told me the best way to reach them IS email, NOT phone calls due to the volume of calls they're getting.
I am at this point a "Potential Plaintiff."
I think the reason he didn't return my phone call is: a) I'm not very patient and didn't wait very long for a response before emailing. b) they are getting a high volume of calls. c) unless you're specific about who you are when you call, they don't know who you are, you could be any type of person they don't want to speak with.
So. I haven't decided if I'm going to go through with the entire thing or not but it doesn't do me any harm to do the preliminaries.
Also, has the level of paranoia in this thread gotten to anyone? "Who are they? What do they want? Why are they doing this?" Seriously, they're supposed to be a top rate law firm, I'm sure they have their own reasons for doing what they do. Not everyone is a bad guy.
[ This Message was edited by: mistresscaution on 2003-10-03 09:46 ]
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Dear Anon:
You stated that the comments concerning Huron's level of confidence were just "heresay"
Did you mean "heresy"? -- as in challenging to an established religious dogma? If so, I and a lot of other heretics can only AMEN BROTHER! Damn right we want to challenge the "our way or the cemetery" dogma
If you meant "hearsay" (a legal term of art referring to certain types of evidence based on out-of-court statements of declarants not physically present) you may recall that we are here only in a court of public opinion -- a rough and tumble home for wayward web forums where the niceties of legal discourse do not obtain.
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Will someone share Erin Brokovich's story on her own daughter being in an RTC? What doesn't make sense is that ALL teen behavior mod program have the same allegations, so what would be her motivation in funding this? Does she feel the program her daughter is/was in is "better?" Many bash CEDU with much worse, and Barbara Walter's daughter was in their program.
Second question, If there are "so many" families that are in the "fact-finding" process, where are they going to draw the line and stop - this could go on for years, not days as someone keeps saying.
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I don't know Erin's story, but I bet the she is compassionate. She cares about kids and people. She is a good person.
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I would assume that since this is a class action suit, the lawyers are working on contingency. They get a big chunk if they win or obtain a settlement.
They basically are going to be suing on behalf of all the people who were hurt by WWASP unless those people indicate their desire to exclude themself from the class and retain the right to sue individually.
That means that if they win, the damages could be absolutely massive. If one person sueing wwasp can get a few million if they win, then a suit that includes a few thousand in the class can annihilate them forever.
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Once a class-action is filed, can it be "thrown out" by the courts and if so, why? What are some of the reasons?
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Don't class-actions have to be certified?
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its not a class action law suit. Its a DIRECT ACTION LAW SUIT
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On 2003-10-05 22:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"its not a class action law suit. Its a DIRECT ACTION LAW SUIT"
Okay, thanks! But what's a direct action lawsuit? And, how does it differ from a class-action?
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After all this hype surrounding the filing of a massive class-action-lawsuit, now we hear that's not the case at all? Why all the misinformation? Debating about who is and who is not a "lead plaintiff"? Does anybody really know what's going on?
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On 2003-10-05 22:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"its not a class action law suit. Its a DIRECT ACTION LAW SUIT"
No lawfirm would consider representing a class of plaintiffs if in their opinion, they would not be able to meet the standards for certification.
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Class action - Direct Action, it is all legal stuff that as many laymen dont understand. But the fact remains, there is a LAWSUIT being filed against WWASPS. Who cares about lead plaintiffs as long as WWASPS is held accountable.
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CLASS ACTION ? a suit brought by one or more members of a large group of persons on behalf of all members of the group. If the court permits the class action, all members must receive notice of the action and must be given an opportunity to exclude themselves. Members who do not exclude themselves are bound by the judgementm whether favorable or not.
Sounds to me like all parents past and present have to be notified of the class action suit if and when it is filed. Maybe that is the reason why they are changing what type of suit is being filed.
Now, as far as a direct action law suit, does anyone know what that is?
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After reading the Erin Brockovich case, I saw that Hinckley had a Direct Action also. I hope someone can explain the difference.
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Whatever the technical definition, this is significant:
Keynote speakers are always an educational component trade-show attendees enjoy, and judging the line at the book signing after her presentation, Erin Brockovich delivered. As she explained her rise from unemployment and failed personal relationships to uncovering the scandal with Pacific Gas and Electric and the people of Hinkley, California, her message became clear: it?s not the size of the dog in the fight, it?s the size of the fight in the dog. Her persistence and determination prevailed in a direct-action lawsuit, resulting in $333 million settlement?the largest in U.S. history. She says to always seek the truth, don?t compromise your integrity, have sticktoitiveness and let your head and your heart work in tandem.
http://www.ppai.org/Publications/PPB/ar ... ewsID=1554 (http://www.ppai.org/Publications/PPB/article.asp?NewsID=1554)
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Duh, you WWASPie. Do you actually think we are stupid enough to give you specifics to bring back to your leaders?
Duh...yeah! You were stupid enough to put your child in one of their programs and pay handsomly for it at that...why wouldn't they think you were stupid enough to give them information to take back to their leaders.
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On 2003-10-07 05:29:00, Carey wrote:
"Duh, you WWASPie. Do you actually think we are stupid enough to give you specifics to bring back to your leaders?
Duh...yeah! You were stupid enough to put your child in one of their programs and pay handsomly for it at that...why wouldn't they think you were stupid enough to give them information to take back to their leaders."
I'm certain "their leaders" already know everything there is to know from fact, not allegations they read on the net.