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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: SUCK IT on July 26, 2010, 04:25:43 PM
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There are a lot of myths on fornits, and only fornits, that are perpetuated about the troubled teen industry that are so ridiculous I can't help but take the time to point them out for people who might not have been in a treatment program, and aren't aware of the extreme stretching of the truth that happens here on fornits with regularity.
Jail is better than being in a program
Now this one should be just plain obvious. But for some reason the myth got started on fornits that being in jail or juvenille hall is somehow better than being in a program. Where to begin in crumbling this myth? First of all, you have much more freedom inside any program on this forum than you do in jail. Many of the so called abusive programs on this forum are wilderness programs, so you are camping out in a tent. Would you rather be locked in a concrete cell with violent inmates, or out camping under the Utah stars? Yeah, really difficult decision. Some go as far to suggest people facing treatment programs actually commit violent crimes to be sent to jail on purpose. Then these same people suggest other people like me offering some sanity are the "trolls", and they do so with a straight face. Fornits is a bizarre place, but I'm sure you already know that.
Running away is better than going to treatment
Even the resident intellectual with PhD's and schooling and everything, Dysfunctional Junction seems to believe this myth, as he recently offered this advice to a 15 year old girl facing treatment in a program with no history of abuse whatsoever. "But it sounded kinda fishy", according to fornits members. So they tell a 15 year old girl, think about that. 15 freaking years old, a girl, they tell her to run away from home. To a fornits extremist the only violence in society they care to notice happens in private programs. Truth is though, a 15 year old is about a brazillion more times to face being exploited, violently abused, or murdered on the streets than inside a treatment program. The fact this basic common sense fact can be so illusive to posters here shows how one sided thinking can become, and the group think of fornits takes over. Of course all the more ironic when people claiming these myths complain about people being "brainwashed" for saying treatment helped them.
Kids sent to treatment programs will likely be abused
Some bad things happen in treatment programs, kids get hurt and killed sometimes and it almost always an accident. The simple fact remains the number of kids who are abused, or hurt in treatment programs is a very slim minority of the overall group who attend. This is why fornits attempts to create an umbrella abuse, in the sense that if you attended a program at all, then you were abused. This clears up the fact that most kids aren't actually abused according to the definition of the word, but by defining treatment itself as abusive, therefore 100% of kids who go through treatment are abused. Problem solved! Those mental hurdles can get challenging though!
All programs are similar
The treatment program market is vibrant and varied. There are many different treatment options available for adolescents, varying from very lenient wilderness style programs, opulent residential programs, to more affordable options, there are so many programs that exist its hard to count. Fornits has about a dozen that they focus on, and discuss. Then they apply their conclusions to an entire industry, despite the variations in the different treatment programs. That's why it's better to offer advice to a 15 year old to run away than go to a treatment center with no signs or history of abuse. Its abusive because its a treatment program, so goes the myth. If I was abused in a long shuttered treatment program twenty five years ago, then why not also claim all treatment programs are equally abusive, it fits right into the fornits mythology.
All kids in programs are innocent, not troubled teens
The myth on fornits goes that programs will accept any old kid whose parents show interest, and all the programs are filled with teens who smoked 1 cigarette, and got sent straight to residential treatment, no passing go, no collecting 200 dollars. Sure there might be a few kids with parents this quick to the gun, but most troubled teens in programs are there after a long and sustained family problem and more than likely there parents had a good reason for seeking help, even if this reason is never divulged by the teen. Remember there's two sides to every story.
Once you have attended a treatment program, you will be traumatized and damaged forever
This is a favorite myth on fornits. That programs are so evil the kids all come out zombies of their former selves, killing themselves left and right, drug addicts and in prison. The idea of a successful program graduate diminishes the image of a PTSD riddled, drug addicted survivor so damaged by their time in a program there is no hope of recovery. This helps with the narrative that programs are evil much more than acknowledging that many people get on with their lives fine, and just might have been helped by it. This is why you get posters like dysfunctional assuming just because you went through treatment you work at Burger king, it fits conveniently into their mythology and world view of what programs produce, ie, damaged people with no hope, or brainwashed fanatics possibly also deserving sympathy and pity.
AA is abusive, is a bad thing, should be shut down, etc
Its funny most of the people making the negative statements about AA never even have been a part of it. AA is a successful organization with chapters in every city all over the world. Fornits has about a dozen regular posters, take you pick, which is more successful? For some reason any form of treatment bothers some people here. This is another strange chapter in the book of fornits mythology, among many others.
Programs brainwash you
This one is just funny. DId you know in treatment they break out the twirly black and white thing, and also hypnotists with a stopwatch. You are feeling sleepy... sleepy... and when you awake, you will love your parents and regret your dangerous actions. AWAKE! Come on people, lets get real . Nobody is getting brainwashed. People change, sometimes for the better. Were you brainwashed into being a troubled teen? No? Then perhaps it doesn't require brainwashing to fall out of that behavior either.
There are more, and they will be added in time. I hope you enjoyed this first installment of Fornits Mythology, the sooner you free your mind of group think the better off you'll be. Think for yourself don't just accept fornits mythology because some people are emotoinally attached to falsehoods, because then you will ironically be doing what you claim programs do. You wouldn't want that now would you! Until next time.
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Once again a topic worth discussing. Why is Whooter, Suck IT and Danny are the only folks here bringing topics to the site worth debating.
Com'on people.
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Jail is better than being in a program
Now this one should be just plain obvious. But for some reason the myth got started on fornits that being in jail or juvenille hall is somehow better than being in a program. Where to begin in crumbling this myth? First of all, you have much more freedom inside any program on this forum than you do in jail. Many of the so called abusive programs on this forum are wilderness programs, so you are camping out in a tent. Would you rather be locked in a concrete cell with violent inmates, or out camping under the Utah stars? Yeah, really difficult decision. Some go as far to suggest people facing treatment programs actually commit violent crimes to be sent to jail on purpose. Then these same people suggest other people like me offering some sanity are the "trolls", and they do so with a straight face. Fornits is a bizarre place, but I'm sure you already know that.
It is not only the Fornits posters who claim it. Prison officials believe it also. Young offenders have the best in prison (http://http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.dr.dk/Regioner/Sjaelland/Nyheder/AlleKommuner/2008/12/05/140133.htm&sl=da&tl=en), by Nikolaj Aarestrup Hviid, Denmarks Radio, December 5, 2008
Running away is better than going to treatment
Even the resident intellectual with PhD's and schooling and everything, Dysfunctional Junction seems to believe this myth, as he recently offered this advice to a 15 year old girl facing treatment in a program with no history of abuse whatsoever. "But it sounded kinda fishy", according to fornits members. So they tell a 15 year old girl, think about that. 15 freaking years old, a girl, they tell her to run away from home. To a fornits extremist the only violence in society they care to notice happens in private programs. Truth is though, a 15 year old is about a brazillion more times to face being exploited, violently abused, or murdered on the streets than inside a treatment program. The fact this basic common sense fact can be so illusive to posters here shows how one sided thinking can become, and the group think of fornits takes over. Of course all the more ironic when people claiming these myths complain about people being "brainwashed" for saying treatment helped them.
Running away is always a bad option. It is a bad advice. Instead the advice should be to reach out to either the extended family or a family in the community with help from the social services. In a large number of Danish cities the social services cannot afford residential treatment, so they try to guide the teenager to a stabil family. There have been situations where a teenager has entered the office and then the staff had to start phoning classmates etc. If you can use the community to guide the teenagers, then the entire community wins including the teenager.
Kids sent to treatment programs will likely be abused
Some bad things happen in treatment programs, kids get hurt and killed sometimes and it almost always an accident. The simple fact remains the number of kids who are abused, or hurt in treatment programs is a very slim minority of the overall group who attend. This is why fornits attempts to create an umbrella abuse, in the sense that if you attended a program at all, then you were abused. This clears up the fact that most kids aren't actually abused according to the definition of the word, but by defining treatment itself as abusive, therefore 100% of kids who go through treatment are abused. Problem solved! Those mental hurdles can get challenging though!
We maintain the wiki database. We don't have count of the times where a staff member have slept with a teenager or some other kind of intervention had to be done by the authorities. Let us not forget the number of cases where the local police worked so close with the program that no police report was made. How it is possible to secure the teenagers I don't know. There are cases of abuse in residential programs all over the planet. Even here in Denmark, so I am empty when it comes how to secure the teenagers.
All programs are similar
The treatment program market is vibrant and varied. There are many different treatment options available for adolescents, varying from very lenient wilderness style programs, opulent residential programs, to more affordable options, there are so many programs that exist its hard to count. Fornits has about a dozen that they focus on, and discuss. Then they apply their conclusions to an entire industry, despite the variations in the different treatment programs. That's why it's better to offer advice to a 15 year old to run away than go to a treatment center with no signs or history of abuse. Its abusive because its a treatment program, so goes the myth. If I was abused in a long shuttered treatment program twenty five years ago, then why not also claim all treatment programs are equally abusive, it fits right into the fornits mythology.
If it became mandatory for every program to post their student and parent handbook on the front page then this claim could be put into the ground very easily so why don't they? I agree that it is a myth to some extend but a myth which the industry does nothing about and they reinforce by their oppositon.
All kids in programs are innocent, not troubled teens
The myth on fornits goes that programs will accept any old kid whose parents show interest, and all the programs are filled with teens who smoked 1 cigarette, and got sent straight to residential treatment, no passing go, no collecting 200 dollars. Sure there might be a few kids with parents this quick to the gun, but most troubled teens in programs are there after a long and sustained family problem and more than likely there parents had a good reason for seeking help, even if this reason is never divulged by the teen. Remember there's two sides to every story.
As long as the industry accept members without publicly criticizing those who they consider to be parasites in the industry, then it is easy to claim that the industry accept everyone, but there is also the problem with the educational consultants which need to be solved. What can a program do even if they work based on the best motives, if they are lied to just because the educational consultant wants to earn fast money based on the referral money which is so widespread in the business?
Once you have attended a treatment program, you will be traumatized and damaged forever
This is a favorite myth on fornits. That programs are so evil the kids all come out zombies of their former selves, killing themselves left and right, drug addicts and in prison. The idea of a successful program graduate diminishes the image of a PTSD riddled, drug addicted survivor so damaged by their time in a program there is no hope of recovery. This helps with the narrative that programs are evil much more than acknowledging that many people get on with their lives fine, and just might have been helped by it. This is why you get posters like dysfunctional assuming just because you went through treatment you work at Burger king, it fits conveniently into their mythology and world view of what programs produce, ie, damaged people with no hope, or brainwashed fanatics possibly also deserving sympathy and pity.
Even a stay in a normal boarding school can result in problems when the student has to adjust to life outside the boarding school. It is the same subject here when I read about the experiences made by thousand of students returning home from our continuation schools. It doesn't matter how pleasent the stay was. It takes time for both the family and student to adjust. If the family expects miracles and ignore this need then it will go wrong. They get another child home than they sent. They need to be there and support the transition phase.
AA is abusive, is a bad thing, should be shut down, etc
Its funny most of the people making the negative statements about AA never even have been a part of it. AA is a successful organization with chapters in every city all over the world. Fornits has about a dozen regular posters, take you pick, which is more successful? For some reason any form of treatment bothers some people here. This is another strange chapter in the book of fornits mythology, among many others.
You can only change what you do acknowledge. Using AA is as good as standing on one leg when you have decided to battle your addiction. However if you force people through rehab, then it will be abusive just as any other method used.
Programs brainwash you
This one is just funny. DId you know in treatment they break out the twirly black and white thing, and also hypnotists with a stopwatch. You are feeling sleepy... sleepy... and when you awake, you will love your parents and regret your dangerous actions. AWAKE! Come on people, lets get real . Nobody is getting brainwashed. People change, sometimes for the better. Were you brainwashed into being a troubled teen? No? Then perhaps it doesn't require brainwashing to fall out of that behavior either.
I have heard a lot of histories where people have been forced to adapt a belief they had nothing to do with. Attend a church the program decide they have to attend regardless of the fact they don't believe in the belief the program has chosen. Of course you could say that it is an error made by the parents because they should have secured that on behalf on their child, but still the right to believe in whatever kind of God you choose is a human right. I call it brainwashing to manipulate with people's belief. What do you think?
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Oscar makes an effective argument here.
The alternative is to take advice from:
SUCK IT - a poorly written fictional character who claims to have been to a program but can't name the program or describe anything about it
Whooter - the guy with a fiduciary interest in Aspen Education and professional shillpiece who has slaved here for the TTI for five years and 10,000+ posts under various usernames and aliases
DannyB II - self-described and confessed serial child abuser who dragged a girl on a rope behind his car in the name of treatment for her being, in Danny's opinion, a "fat piece of shit"
Parents do have choices here.
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SUCK IT - a poorly written fictional character who claims to have been to a program but can't name the program or describe anything about it
Whooter - the guy with a fiduciary interest in Aspen Education and professional shillpiece who has slaved here for the TTI for five years and 10,000+ posts under various usernames and aliases
DannyB II - self-described and confessed serial child abuser who dragged a girl on a rope behind his car in the name of treatment for her being, in Danny's opinion, a "fat piece of shit"
(http://http://www.supermediablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/three-stooges.jpg)
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SUCK IT - a poorly written fictional character who claims to have been to a program but can't name the program or describe anything about it
Whooter - the guy with a fiduciary interest in Aspen Education and professional shillpiece who has slaved here for the TTI for five years and 10,000+ posts under various usernames and aliases
DannyB II - self-described and confessed serial child abuser who dragged a girl on a rope behind his car in the name of treatment for her being, in Danny's opinion, a "fat piece of shit"
Thank you for adding these to the list of fornits mythology.
This is a good reminder that conspiracy theories are an important part of the architecture of fornits mythology, as exampled by this poster who is currently under its delusional influence.
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Oscar makes an effective argument here.
The alternative is to take advice from:
SUCK IT - a poorly written fictional character who claims to have been to a program but can't name the program or describe anything about it
Whooter - the guy with a fiduciary interest in Aspen Education and professional shillpiece who has slaved here for the TTI for five years and 10,000+ posts under various usernames and aliases
DannyB II - self-described and confessed serial child abuser who dragged a girl on a rope behind his car in the name of treatment for her being, in Danny's opinion, a "fat piece of shit"
Parents do have choices here.
Dysfunction Junction was and is a employee of a Treatment Center, his last job was with "Daytop". He refuses to tell the truth about where he works today but keeps saying they do not abuse people here.
Why would a person who worked and still does work for the very TTI he so despises, badger 3 individuals who 2 have never worked for the Industry and the last one worked there when he was 17-19 yrs old, 33 yrs. ago.
May I say also that 2 out of the three did go through a program as children and the third placed his daughter there.
We were all entrusted to the very likes of Dysfunction Junction at these programs, ya know the same person who is saying abuse is rampant in the treatment centers. As a matter of fact he said that the mere behavioral model is inherently abusive. This all coming from a gentleman that says he has a Phd. So who would better know about the abuse the him.
So why is he here now abusing 3 integral parts (posters) of fornits who have suffered (as DJ would put it)from the Treatment Industry and he still works for the Industry.
I know this all sounds crazy and I admit I still need to work on this theory but believe me you will see DJ is a very troubled man. I think we need Awake to step forward and maybe take over at this point, I believe we have entered into the Psychological Arena of the "Double Blind x Two".
Pile and Dysfunction Junction running Double Blinds simultaneously within each other. Ya I know does not make much sense now but it will unfold.
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I know this all sounds crazy and I admit I still need to work on this theory but believe me you will see DJ is a very troubled man. I think we need Awake to step forward and maybe take over at this point, I believe we have entered into the Psychological Arena of the "Double Blind x Two".
Pile and Dysfunction Junction running Double Blinds simultaneously within each other. Ya I know does not make much sense now but it will unfold.
This is a good reminder that conspiracy theories are an important part of the architecture of fornits mythology, as exampled by this poster who is currently under its delusional influence.
*Bonk!* Nyuk nyuk nyuk.
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Oscar makes an effective argument here.
The alternative is to take advice from:
SUCK IT - a poorly written fictional character who claims to have been to a program but can't name the program or describe anything about it
Whooter - the guy with a fiduciary interest in Aspen Education and professional shillpiece who has slaved here for the TTI for five years and 10,000+ posts under various usernames and aliases
DannyB II - self-described and confessed serial child abuser who dragged a girl on a rope behind his car in the name of treatment for her being, in Danny's opinion, a "fat piece of shit"
Parents do have choices here.
Dysfunction Junction was and is a employee of a Treatment Center, his last job was with "Daytop". He refuses to tell the truth about where he works today but keeps saying they do not abuse people here.
Why would a person who worked and still does work for the very TTI he so despises, badger 3 individuals who 2 have never worked for the Industry and the last one worked there when he was 17-19 yrs old, 33 yrs. ago.
May I say also that 2 out of the three did go through a program as children and the third placed his daughter there.
We were all entrusted to the very likes of Dysfunction Junction at these programs, ya know the same person who is saying abuse is rampant in the treatment centers. As a matter of fact he said that the mere behavioral model is inherently abusive. This all coming from a gentleman that says he has a Phd. So who would better know about the abuse the him.
So why is he here now abusing 3 integral parts (posters) of fornits who have suffered (as DJ would put it)from the Treatment Industry and he still works for the Industry.
I know this all sounds crazy and I admit I still need to work on this theory but believe me you will see DJ is a very troubled man. I think we need Awake to step forward and maybe take over at this point, I believe we have entered into the Psychological Arena of the "Double Blind x Two".
Pile and Dysfunction Junction running Double Blinds simultaneously within each other. Ya I know does not make much sense now but it will unfold.
That's funny, Danny. I work for a medical device manufacturer, as has been previously discussed here ad nauseum. Are you now going to claim I work for a program and use the kids for forced labor in clean rooms making thin film transistor arrays or amorphous silicon photodiodes? Complimentary metal oxide semiconductors? You're a moron.
Also, how is Whooter, an industry shill, now a "survivor"? How is SUCK IT, a fictional character, a "survivor"? How are you, a self-confessed child abuser, a "survivor"?
You're too much, Danny boy. And Pile just pwned you to boot. You are Fornits mythology. :rofl:
All this effort in order to deflect from the fact you dragged a girl behind your car for "treatment" for her being a "fat piece of shit." You're not well. Not well at all, Danny.
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You're right dysfunction, I'm not a "survivor", because I reject such ridiculous terminology outright. When 100% of your peers survive the experience you were in together, how does that make you a "survivor" of anything? None of the people I was in treatment with were killed, so the term is just meaningless propaganda and only people with an agenda use it. I am someone who went to a treatment program with its own sub forum on this website though and choose to comment on it. Nobody I've ever talked to from treatment ever refers to themselves as a "survivor" this is, once again, a fornits only phenomenon. All part of upholding the mythology, it all ties together.
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Which experience is that, SUCK IT?
I believe people who were sexually abused but were not killed are called "sexual abuse survivors" or "rape survivors." It's pretty common terminology, even for people who didn't get killed by it, that is, they survived.
Why here's a whole website (http://http://www.dancinginthedarkness.com/) for people you deny are "survivors," because they lived through it. :lala: But you probably don't want to hear their "whining" I suppose. To you, they just have an agenda.
For a fictional character, you sure are a heartless sonofabitch, SUCK IT.
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DJ wrote:
That's funny, Danny. I work for a medical device manufacturer, as has been previously discussed here ad nauseum. Are you now going to claim I work for a program and use the kids for forced labor in clean rooms making thin film transistor arrays or amorphous silicon photodiodes? Complimentary metal oxide semiconductors? You're a moron.
Well I don't believe you, no one has corroborated this. The only thing I have seen on this site is your employment at Daytop and I wish you would, admit to this again. You are not beyond this time in your life DJ it is still happening, know what I mean.
Also, how is Whooter, an industry shill, now a "survivor"? How is SUCK IT, a fictional character, a "survivor"? How are you, a self-confessed child abuser, a "survivor"?
Oh we just work it out.
All this effort in order to deflect from the fact you dragged a girl behind your car for "treatment" for her being a "fat piece of shit." You're not well. Not well at all, Danny.
You are way to late my friend that train left a long time ago. Pile and yourself have fun though.
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Which experience is that, SUCK IT?
I believe people who were sexually abused but were not killed are called "sexual abuse survivors" or "rape survivors." It's pretty common terminology, even for people who didn't get killed by it, that is, they survived.
Why here's a whole website (http://http://www.dancinginthedarkness.com/) for people you deny are "survivors," because they lived through it. :lala: But you probably don't want to hear their "whining" I suppose. To you, they just have an agenda.
For a fictional character, you sure are a heartless sonofabitch, SUCK IT.
So going to a wilderness program is akin to getting sexually assaulted or abused? Or do you actually believe every kid in a treatment program is going to be raped? Nobody while I was in treatment was raped, or killed and I never once saw abuse. So calling myself a survivor doesn't make any sense. People on fornits do it and get used to it, I've never heard it in real life before ever. What I choose to call myself and why is something you obviously get very emotional about, perplexing isn't it? I went to a treatment program with its own forum on this site, and I went to another that has never been mentioned here. I also have been in AA/NA and so I have experience with that. You can keep believing in your conspiracy theories, it doesn't change the reality of what I experienced, only your skewed perception of it. It's no skin off my back, but it might benefit you to be more honest and open to other people's experiences and opinions instead of finding dubious theories to dismiss them outright.
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Of course, your response is a conflation and non sequitur, but hey, why let that stop you. Nobody ever said "every kid in a program gets raped" or anything even approaching that.
The simple point is people don't have to be dying around you in order for you to be a survivor. It's common terminology for all sorts of distgusting, revolting or genuinely horrific but non-fatal things, like rape and shipwrecks.
In your world, you deny people who have been raped status as a "survivor." To you, or your writer more accurately, if people aren't dying you aren't surviving. That''s an obvious fallacy of logic, but I suppose unimportant to someone whose main line of critical questioning consists of "Do you want fries with that?"
I've never heard it in real life before ever.
That's because you are woefully ignorant, SUCK IT. You have no life experience. See above, re: rape survivors. "If I haven't seen it it never happened" is your mantra. But just because you live in an insular bubble of ignorance doesn't mean others do. Ever hear the phrase "Ignorance is bliss"? Well, you're blissful alright.
Come back when you have functioning cerebrum or a new writer. This one is so stupid it's not even entertaining to engage.
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For a fictional character
This is pretty funny. Think about it dysfunctional junction, if I really wanted to be a fictional character of a survivor on fornits I'm not doing a very good job. I call extremist bullshit out for what it is. I tell the truth about what really goes on in a treatment program, namely that there is plenty of good going on, not just the bad people focus on here. The agenda driven language of fornits is cult like and the group think that propel the myths outlined in this thread is ironically pathetic.
No if I wanted to be a fictional survivor that you would believe and not question I would of named myself DamagedGoods. Then I would talk about how my life sucks and I work at McDonalds and use drugs all because I was sent to treatment a dozen years ago. It, like, infringed on my civil rights man. They made me do group therapy and jumping jacks, thats like, emotional and physical abuse. I'd say my parents are assholes who sent me to a gulag and once I saw some kid restrained for some reason I don't know, and it definitely looked painful. That's guantanamo bay shit there man, these places need to be shut down. That's me being a fictional survivor believable to the likes of Dysfunctional Junction.
What I do is simply state my opinion, without an agenda. I am not arrogantly delusional like yourself, you speak as if you are surrounded by people of importance in a debate hall. This is fornits, take it down a notch. I actually am someone who went to treatment, and guess what, it actually saved my life. This isn't that hard to believe, but since I present an inconvenient truth you'd rather look for ways to dismiss my opinions without good reason. I have a lot of experience in treatment programs, unfortunately due to problems I had and so I have some things to say on the subject. The reality of it is not the black and white, evil vs. good extremism that is so prevalent on fornits. Here's something that might blow your mind, fornits is way more cult like and full of group think than any treatment program I was ever in , chew on that for a while.
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Of course, your response is a conflation and non sequitur, but hey, why let that stop you. Nobody ever said "every kid in a program gets raped" or anything even approaching that.
The simple point is people don't have to be dying around you in order for you to be a survivor. It's common terminology for all sorts of distgusting, revolting or genuinely horrific but non-fatal things, like rape and shipwrecks.
In your world, you deny people who have been raped status as a "survivor." To you, or your writer more accurately, if people aren't dying you aren't surviving. That''s an obvious fallacy of logic, but I suppose unimportant to someone whose main line of critical questioning consists of "Do you want fries with that?"
I've never heard it in real life before ever.
That's because you are woefully ignorant, SUCK IT. You have no life experience. See above, re: rape survivors. "If I haven't seen it it never happened" is your mantra. But just because you live in a bubble of ignorance doesn't mean others do. Ever hear the phrase "Ignorance is bliss"? Well, you're blissful alright.
Come back when you have functioning cerebrum or a new writer. This one is so stupid it's not even entertaining to engage.
It obviously bothers you a lot what I choose to call myself. I think that says a lot more about you than me. I could care less what others call themselves, I choose not to call mself that. You'll get over it.
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I could care less what others call themselves
Then why are you here every day, day after day, accusing people of being cult memebers and extremists because they call themselves "survivors"? Oh, you care alright. You're fucking rabid about it. It's your whole stated reason for being here. People here can read, you know.
Where did you go to treatment again, SUCK IT?
I love the way you change topics when you've gotten owned by the facts, too. It's a very familiar tactic employed daily by Whooter. It's the tool of the ignorant and you're an ignoramus. No way around that fact.
"Rape survivors...pffft...Rape doesn't kill people! What the hell did they survive?" See how you look, SUCK IT? Like an extremist asshole with an agenda. You are what you decry. You have become the object of your own hatred. Like it or not, it is what you are.
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I could care less what others call themselves
Then why are you here every day, day after day, accusing people of being cult memebers and extremists because they call themselves "survivors"? Oh, you care alright. You're fucking rabid about it. It's your whole stated reason for being here. People here can read, you know.
Where did you go to treatment again, SUCK IT?
I love the way you change topics when you've gotten owned by the facts, too. It's a very familiar tactic employed daily by Whooter. It's the tool of the ignorant and you're an ignoramus. No way around that fact.
"Rape survivors...pffft...Rape doesn't kill people! What the hell did they survive?" See how you look, SUCK IT? Like an extremist asshole with an agenda. You are what you decry. You have become the object of your own hatred. Like it or not, it is what you are.
DJ, take a Valium a lye down. My god your head is going to explode.
"Suck It" is not Whooter for crying out loud. Why do you have to be such a dumbass with your predictions.
"Suck It" is a separate poster as you are and myself.
Though in my case many post using my "user name" and I encourage this.
Our message is the same no matter how many user names or people posting from our user names. Listen to the message DJ and stop getting caught up in the formalities.
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I could care less what others call themselves
Then why are you here every day, day after day, accusing people of being cult memebers and extremists because they call themselves "survivors"? Oh, you care alright. You're fucking rabid about it. It's your whole stated reason for being here. People here can read, you know.
Where did you go to treatment again, SUCK IT?
I love the way you change topics when you've gotten owned by the facts, too. It's a very familiar tactic employed daily by Whooter. It's the tool of the ignorant and you're an ignoramus. No way around that fact.
"Rape survivors...pffft...Rape doesn't kill people! What the hell did they survive?" See how you look, SUCK IT? Like an extremist asshole with an agenda. You are what you decry. You have become the object of your own hatred. Like it or not, it is what you are.
I'm not surprised in the least that's how you would view me. In reality I'm just someone with very mainstream views on the subject of the troubled teen industry. I'm one of many people who went to treatment, and am grateful for the experience and know it helped me tremendously. This is an extreme thought according to the fornits cult, because all treatment is abusive. According to fornits mythology, I was abused, brainwashed, "mindfucked", etc. I am here to tell you it's not an accurate representation of my own experience. My agenda is to point out the simple fact that hey, that stuff you are saying happens to everyone in programs, well it didn't happen to me.
I can be honest about my own experience and am not sucked into the cult like group think on fornits, where you repeat the same quotes, the same mythology, the same conspiracies, and then want me refer to myself with a cult approved name given to me by a poster like you. No thanks. I'll refer to myself as I want to. If I don't want you knowing where I went to treatment, guess what, I won't tell you. It really doesn't matter to me whether you believe I'm real, fiction, or the tooth fairy.
I am here to discuss the troubled teen industry, something I experienced myself. If you enjoy being deluded and living in a land of self imposed ignorance based on mythology and conspiracies, that's up to you. It's not my responsibility to explain to you why your assumptions are incorrect, I have nothing to prove to you. If you think I'm all fiction then do us all a favor and don't respond to my threads then, no reason to waste your time on fiction, right?
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no reason to waste your time on fiction, right?
We're discussing an entire industry based on fiction. You're just a character in the fictional tale.
I can be honest about my own experience
No you can't. You haven't yet and probably never will be.
Then why are you here every day, day after day, accusing people of being cult members and extremists because they call themselves "survivors"?
You never answered. Why are you so tied up in knots that you'd call abuse survivors "extremists" and "cultists"? How do your "open mind" and "honesty" allow you to completely invalidate the experiences of people who were abused and neglected by programs?
Tell us about your experience, SUCK IT.
Does it involve a drive through? It sure doesn't involve any sort of higher education. That's obvious from your debate "style." You're a basic mouth-breathing nitwit, like Danny. Which begs the question: if no abuse goes on in programs, how do you explain Danny, the self-described Elan staff reprobate child abuser?
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I can be honest about my own experience
No you can't. You haven't yet and probably never will be.
Keep reading my posts and you can learn more about my experiences and opinions based on them. I'm always honest about how I feel and not stuck in the fornits cult group think, enforced by forum bullies like yourself. Here you are telling someone who went to treatment that their experience is fiction, and that when I post my honest opinions you cannot accept this as real. You want me to call myself by your fornits politically correct term and get very angry when I refuse to be labeled with your propaganda terms. Do you see a pattern here? Rather than accept other's opinions that are legitimate examples of what can occur in this industry, yes some of us actually are saved, you spin your conspiracy theories and get angry.
Tell us about your experience, SUCK IT.
Does it involve a drive through? It sure doesn't involve any sort of higher education. That's obvious from your debate "style." You're a basic mouth-breathing nitwit, like Danny.
You also seem to have a liking to constantly pointing out that you think I am uneducated and work at Burger King. This is so perfectly in line with your warped view on this industry, its not surprising at all. You must realize something dysfunction. Just because I did well in treatment doesn't "invalidate" the people here claiming they were abused, or who did not do well in treatment. Just as their experience does not invalidate the fact that a treatment program saved my life, and guess what there are many people like me who did just fine in treatment and afterwards, who have better things than to tolerate the resident bitterness of this forum. My opinions are all based on my own experiences in treatment and not based off fornits mythology or group think, I'm sorry offering my opinions bothers you so much, but I earned my right to my opinions and will share them as I see fit.
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no reason to waste your time on fiction, right?
We're discussing an entire industry based on fiction. You're just a character in the fictional tale.
So DJ, here we have a Staff Member (you) from Daytop with a Phd. who is a confessed abuser from a inherently abusive program, dictating to a poster who came from a treatment center what his reality is and is not.
May I ask the audience if this is not what DJ is so strenuously advocating against in treatment centers.
I can be honest about my own experience
No you can't. You haven't yet and probably never will be.
Once again we have a Staff Member demeaning a person who came out of a program, degrading this person.
Then why are you here every day, day after day, accusing people of being cult members and extremists because they call themselves "survivors"?
You never answered. Why are you so tied up in knots that you'd call abuse survivors "extremists" and "cultists"? How do your "open mind" and "honesty" allow you to completely invalidate the experiences of people who were abused and neglected by programs?
Dysfunction, he is not calling survivors necessarily "extremist" and "cultists", he is calling you and your associate "Pile of Dead Kids" extremists and cultists. One just has to read your user names to understand this.
DJ you are still a very sick man and what is sad is, your not getting any better associating here. Your hurting people with your latent pathologies you refuse to deal with.
Get help.
Tell us about your experience, SUCK IT.
Does it involve a drive through? It sure doesn't involve any sort of higher education. That's obvious from your debate "style." You're a basic mouth-breathing nitwit, like Danny. Which begs the question: if no abuse goes on in programs, how do you explain Danny, the self-described Elan staff reprobate child abuser?
DJ, this is called deflection. Stop trying to take the light off of you. The abuse Wanye (your close friend) accused me of is very suspect. Since he is your close friend, I can only wonder how low you had to drop your ethics.
DJ I am a person who went through treatment also and I do not like Staff Members making up stories about me using his friends.
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More myths
Whooter works for the teen help industry
Everyone here knows a lot of kids go to all the different variations of treatment throughout the country. We're talking tens of thousands at a minimum, yet somehow it is absolutely unbelievable that a parent of a teen might that did well happens to post here. Shocking! Or maybe it's just the simplest explanation is correct. No, that's to simple for fornits resident conspiracy theorists. He must be a plant. He works for a program! That's it, hes financially benefiting off the like, one kid, that might get sent away a year due to fornits influence. That's some serious lettuce there, boys! Oh wait, that doesn't make any sense. Well Dysfunction thinks he makes a nickel per post, some kind of industry shill for hire. I added up Whooter's posts for the last year, it adds up to $67. Hell with that kind of cash he could pay fornits internet bills for the entire month! Whooter has never once suggested or uttered something to make it seem like he is nothing other than the parent he claims he is, yet somehow people continue to believe in this myth.
SUCK IT is a fictional character
Now this one hits close to home, because when people deny my existence sometimes I worry I might start to fade from the universe altogether, like Bill Cosby finally did in Ghost Dad. But as tenable as my existence is, I have to laugh when I read this. Yes it might be inconvenient to believe that somebody could of gone through one of fornits notorious abusive programs without being abused, brainwashed and ended up thankful for it saving their life. But the truth is just that simple, but that's too honest for some people here to stomach. So they deny me my basic right to existence, not very subtle is it. Well, the reality in their own minds about teen treatment is so obviously filled with mythology its not surprising they must dismiss opinions that might contradict their mythical beliefs. Group reinforcement helps, so the more people who believe in any one of the myths the more "true" it becomes to the people who subscribe to it.
More to come....
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SUCK IT Wrote,
Group reinforcement helps, so the more people who believe in any one of the myths the more "true" it becomes to the people who subscribe to it.
Spoken like you're still in the group.
I feel bad for you. You will get over it in time. Apperently just not yet.
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Are you kidding me? I had no pot to piss in, they made me shit my pants in group, damn near starved me to death, wouldn't let me sleep, and then told me they LOVED ME... Nobody like this SUCK IT joker is gonna convince that me programs are nothin but SHIT, but to each his own. If this clown wants to say he got something outta "sucking the program cock," then I guess that's his business.
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T.T.
The very fact that he feels like that , shows that he himself is another victim,(albeit an annoying one).He sounds truly brainwashed,still.
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So sorry there,OP, I went to state school 4 boys,prior to my lil vacation at straight ,straight was WAY more damaging ,i had a choice id do jail again.....how is your opinion qualified? Mythology? you mean like adam and eve or something really far-fetched like the 12 step dogma? ::deadhorse::
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So sorry there,OP, I went to state school 4 boys,prior to my lil vacation at straight ,straight was WAY more damaging ,i had a choice id do jail again.....how is your opinion qualified? Mythology? you mean like adam and eve or something really far-fetched like the 12 step dogma? ::deadhorse::
Oh we got a real stubborn douche-bag here, seamus. :beat: :roflmao:
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and a bona fide graduate of the Jethro Bodine school of brain surgrery :moon:
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Are you kidding me? I had no pot to piss in, they made me shit my pants in group, damn near starved me to death, wouldn't let me sleep, and then told me they LOVED ME... Nobody like this SUCK IT joker is gonna convince that me programs are nothin but SHIT, but to each his own. If this clown wants to say he got something outta "sucking the program cock," then I guess that's his business.
I haven’t read many of your posts. As far as I know, TT, you only have the perspective of one program. There are hundreds out there. Reading your post readers can perceive your statement a couple of ways. One is that those staff people must have been real ass holes to not let you eat, sleep or shit. Two you must have been a real ass hole for them to have to resort to such actions.
When only one side of the story is reveled we are left to wonder why someone would act this way.
I had a kid in grade school early on who would wipe his feces on the inside of the stall. He obviously had behavior/anger issues. Finally the teacher just made him stay in his seat and crap in his pants. It was probably better to send him home that way then have to clean up his mess. He was finally removed from school so I don’t know what happened to him.
But he could be out there somewhere telling a story about how this teacher made him crap in his pants and wouldn’t let him go to the bathroom. When you only get part of the story it just makes us wonder.
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Danny B.
Why do you believe that all bad things happen for a good reason. When we were denied bathroom acsess at the seed,it was the same for everybody, no matter how we acted!
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Are you kidding me? I had no pot to piss in, they made me shit my pants in group, damn near starved me to death, wouldn't let me sleep, and then told me they LOVED ME... Nobody like this SUCK IT joker is gonna convince that me programs are nothin but SHIT, but to each his own. If this clown wants to say he got something outta "sucking the program cock," then I guess that's his business.
I haven’t read many of your posts. As far as I know, TT, you only have the perspective of one program. There are hundreds out there. Reading your post readers can perceive your statement a couple of ways. One is that those staff people must have been real ass holes to not let you eat, sleep or shit. Two you must have been a real ass hole for them to have to resort to such actions.
When only one side of the story is reveled we are left to wonder why someone would act this way.
I had a kid in grade school early on who would wipe his feces on the inside of the stall. He obviously had behavior/anger issues. Finally the teacher just made him stay in his seat and crap in his pants. It was probably better to send him home that way then have to clean up his mess. He was finally removed from school so I don’t know what happened to him.
But he could be out there somewhere telling a story about how this teacher made him crap in his pants and wouldn’t let him go to the bathroom. When you only get part of the story it just makes us wonder.
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Danny B.
Why do you believe that all bad things happen for a good reason. When we were denied bathroom acsess at the seed,it was the same for everybody, no matter how we acted!
Oh,come, come, now. Seed as you have been describing was like Elan in many ways. I always got to go to the bathroom. Yes there were times during a "General Meeting" that bathroom privileges where strung out a bit but I never pissed or shit my pants. If I had to bet you did not either. So like I said to your bud, JOM, kick back smoke a brisket and lite up a "Fatty" and relax.
It's over dude, 33 years ago.
P.S. I did piss all over the dude in the lower bunk one evening. I was dreaming, I was peeing. Yeppers, I was.
Dude never said anything, we just changed his bed.
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I haven’t read many of your posts. As far as I know, TT, you only have the perspective of one program. There are hundreds out there. Reading your post readers can perceive your statement a couple of ways. One is that those staff people must have been real ass holes to not let you eat, sleep or shit. Two you must have been a real ass hole for them to have to resort to such actions.
So it's A. He was an asshole.
or
B. They were assholes.
Not both..
So in other words, if he was a troubled teen asshole, then the staff were justified in not letting him eat, sleep, or shit.
If he was an asshole, he needn't be fed. It is okay to starve him.
If he was an asshole, it is only right that he should be deprived of his privelages to use the bathroom, and instead should be forced to sit in his own shit.
If he was an asshole, then sleep -deprivation would cure him ( let's remember,, that s what these places are suppose to do-cure) of his asshole-ness. Why not?
Asshole is synonymous with POW, perhaps?
Look, Whooter, with this statement, you have clearly illustrated that you are not qualified by any means to talk about anything in regards to child welfare. I am dead serious.. I'm not just playing a game. I am stating a fact.
I am sure that you will go on preaching, and pretending that you are motivated by your fear that some poor child might not get the help they need from a program.
But you are not qualified, and you could not have made it more clear. You will probably continue to talk, but I will always remember that you are false. You do not care about the things you say you do, and I hope everyone else remembers.
You were outraged at Pile's posting of Morgan's family info, because you were so worried that she might be in danger now- yeah .. okay, buddy..
But it is okay to make an asshole teen shit themselves, withhold food from them, and forcefully keep them from sleeping.
You weren t worried about her. You just saw it as an opportunity to prove your point that Fornits is Bad! Bad! Bad!
Her parents were assholes, would it have been okay if Pile starved them, instead of posting their information? Would he be justified due to the fact that they are assholes?
Paul St. John
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Danny B.
Why do you believe that all bad things happen for a good reason. When we were denied bathroom acsess at the seed,it was the same for everybody, no matter how we acted!
Oh,come, come, now. Seed as you have been describing was like Elan in many ways. I always got to go to the bathroom. Yes there were times during a "General Meeting" that bathroom privileges where strung out a bit but I never pissed or shit my pants. If I had to bet you did not either. So like I said to your bud, JOM, kick back smoke a brisket and lite up a "Fatty" and relax.
It's over dude, 33 years ago.
P.S. I did piss all over the dude in the lower bunk one evening. I was dreaming, I was peeing. Yeppers, I was.
Dude never said anything, we just changed his bed.
SO WHAT MOTIVATES YOU TO BE HERE DAY AFTER DAY DANNY BOY?
IF IT'S OVER IT'S OVER RIGHT?
IT MUST NOT BE OVER FOR YOU YET.
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SO WHAT MOTIVATES YOU TO BE HERE DAY AFTER DAY DANNY BOY?
IF IT'S OVER IT'S OVER RIGHT?
IT MUST NOT BE OVER FOR YOU YET.[/quote]
He is not motivated.. he is obsessed... and I don't say it jokingly. I say it, seriously, with a straight face. he has something he wants to pull off here, and he either perceives great incentives in this, or there are great incentives in this.
He cannot be trusted. He will never show you his true face. Everything he does is done to position people to his advantage for some purpose. I'm just not sure what that purpose is....
Paul St. John
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Danny B.
Why do you believe that all bad things happen for a good reason. When we were denied bathroom acsess at the seed,it was the same for everybody, no matter how we acted!
Oh,come, come, now. Seed as you have been describing was like Elan in many ways. I always got to go to the bathroom. Yes there were times during a "General Meeting" that bathroom privileges where strung out a bit but I never pissed or shit my pants. If I had to bet you did not either. So like I said to your bud, JOM, kick back smoke a brisket and lite up a "Fatty" and relax.
It's over dude, 33 years ago.
P.S. I did piss all over the dude in the lower bunk one evening. I was dreaming, I was peeing. Yeppers, I was.
Dude never said anything, we just changed his bed.
SO WHAT MOTIVATES YOU TO BE HERE DAY AFTER DAY DANNY BOY?
IF IT'S OVER IT'S OVER RIGHT?
IT MUST NOT BE OVER FOR YOU YET.
What, does me being here writing on a TTI web site everyday have anything to do whether it is over for me or not. I have never understood that point of view.
Felice I know and you know it is not over for you because you don't want it to be. Once it is over you no longer exist. You have made this your life and nothing else. Fine I respect that but I don't have to live this way, not trying to be judgmental either.
I guess it comes down to the degree your involvement is emotionally and mentally, mine not so much.
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I haven’t read many of your posts. As far as I know, TT, you only have the perspective of one program. There are hundreds out there. Reading your post readers can perceive your statement a couple of ways. One is that those staff people must have been real ass holes to not let you eat, sleep or shit. Two you must have been a real ass hole for them to have to resort to such actions.
So it's A. He was an asshole.
or
B. They were assholes.
Not both..
So in other words, if he was a troubled teen asshole, then the staff were justified in not letting him eat, sleep, or shit.
If he was an asshole, he needn't be fed. It is okay to starve him.
If he was an asshole, it is only right that he should be deprived of his privelages to use the bathroom, and instead should be forced to sit in his own shit.
If he was an asshole, then sleep -deprivation would cure him ( let's remember,, that s what these places are suppose to do-cure) of his asshole-ness. Why not?
Asshole is synonymous with POW, perhaps?
Look, Whooter, with this statement, you have clearly illustrated that you are not qualified by any means to talk about anything in regards to child welfare. I am dead serious.. I'm not just playing a game. I am stating a fact.
I am sure that you will go on preaching, and pretending that you are motivated by your fear that some poor child might not get the help they need from a program.
But you are not qualified, and you could not have made it more clear. You will probably continue to talk, but I will always remember that you are false. You do not care about the things you say you do, and I hope everyone else remembers.
You were outraged at Pile's posting of Morgan's family info, because you were so worried that she might be in danger now- yeah .. okay, buddy..
But it is okay to make an asshole teen shit themselves, withhold food from them, and forcefully keep them from sleeping.
You weren t worried about her. You just saw it as an opportunity to prove your point that Fornits is Bad! Bad! Bad!
Her parents were assholes, would it have been okay if Pile starved them, instead of posting their information? Would he be justified due to the fact that they are assholes?
Paul St. John
Ah, another person with a closed mind. Afraid of an opposing thought. I liked how you threw your hat in with Pile and ran off in a tizzy, your world is so black and white. It pisses you off to think that it is possible that a survivor could be wrong, could be an ass hole and deserves to shit his pants.
What if that person spread his feces all over the wall every-time he was allowed to go to the mens room? Would you continue to let him go? You are closed minded and anyone that makes you think outside your comfort zone shakes your world and you get scared. Run off if you need to.
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Felice wrote:
SO WHAT MOTIVATES YOU TO BE HERE DAY AFTER DAY DANNY BOY?
IF IT'S OVER IT'S OVER RIGHT?
IT MUST NOT BE OVER FOR YOU YET.
Paul wrote:
He is not motivated.. he is obsessed... and I don't say it jokingly. I say it, seriously, with a straight face. he has something he wants to pull off here, and he either perceives great incentives in this, or there are great incentives in this.
He cannot be trusted. He will never show you his true face. Everything he does is done to position people to his advantage for some purpose. I'm just not sure what that purpose is....
Paul St. John
Paul you think to much of me.
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Felice wrote:
SO WHAT MOTIVATES YOU TO BE HERE DAY AFTER DAY DANNY BOY?
IF IT'S OVER IT'S OVER RIGHT?
IT MUST NOT BE OVER FOR YOU YET.
Paul wrote:
He is not motivated.. he is obsessed... and I don't say it jokingly. I say it, seriously, with a straight face. he has something he wants to pull off here, and he either perceives great incentives in this, or there are great incentives in this.
He cannot be trusted. He will never show you his true face. Everything he does is done to position people to his advantage for some purpose. I'm just not sure what that purpose is....
Paul St. John
Paul you think to much of me.
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It's a Whooter 'n Danny trollfest today! Woo-hoo!! :soapbox: :feedtrolls: :boycott: :roflmao: :spam: :dose: :beat: :twofinger:
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I haven’t read many of your posts. As far as I know, TT, you only have the perspective of one program. There are hundreds out there. Reading your post readers can perceive your statement a couple of ways. One is that those staff people must have been real ass holes to not let you eat, sleep or shit. Two you must have been a real ass hole for them to have to resort to such actions.
So it's A. He was an asshole.
or
B. They were assholes.
Not both..
So in other words, if he was a troubled teen asshole, then the staff were justified in not letting him eat, sleep, or shit.
If he was an asshole, he needn't be fed. It is okay to starve him.
If he was an asshole, it is only right that he should be deprived of his privelages to use the bathroom, and instead should be forced to sit in his own shit.
If he was an asshole, then sleep -deprivation would cure him ( let's remember,, that s what these places are suppose to do-cure) of his asshole-ness. Why not?
Asshole is synonymous with POW, perhaps?
Look, Whooter, with this statement, you have clearly illustrated that you are not qualified by any means to talk about anything in regards to child welfare. I am dead serious.. I'm not just playing a game. I am stating a fact.
I am sure that you will go on preaching, and pretending that you are motivated by your fear that some poor child might not get the help they need from a program.
But you are not qualified, and you could not have made it more clear. You will probably continue to talk, but I will always remember that you are false. You do not care about the things you say you do, and I hope everyone else remembers.
You were outraged at Pile's posting of Morgan's family info, because you were so worried that she might be in danger now- yeah .. okay, buddy..
But it is okay to make an asshole teen shit themselves, withhold food from them, and forcefully keep them from sleeping.
You weren t worried about her. You just saw it as an opportunity to prove your point that Fornits is Bad! Bad! Bad!
Her parents were assholes, would it have been okay if Pile starved them, instead of posting their information? Would he be justified due to the fact that they are assholes?
Paul St. John
Ah, another person with a closed mind. Afraid of an opposing thought. I liked how you threw your hat in with Pile and ran off in a tizzy, your world is so black and white. It pisses you off to think that it is possible that a survivor could be wrong, could be an ass hole and deserves to shit his pants.
What if that person spread his feces all over the wall every-time he was allowed to go to the mens room? Would you continue to let him go? You are closed minded and anyone that makes you think outside your comfort zone shakes your world and you get scared. Run off if you need to.
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Well, at least you are coming out of your shell Whooter. I don t know what you mean by threw my hat in with Pile.
Let's see, if that person, rubbed their shit all over the wall.. No.. I still dont still don t they should be made to shit their pants- not in any sane place, that most of society would know about, and condone...
Now, what about the sleep-deprivation? What's the justification for that? he has dreams about rubbing shit on walls?
What about starving? Okay let's say he rubs his food on the walls.. Well, clearly we gotta come up with some solution.. but I don t think starving would be it.
Now, what could this guy have done to earn all three?
Paul St. John
PS If you want to think that I am somehow working in conju7nction... giggle, giggle, wink.. wink... with Pile that is your choice..
But you are either A. Paranoid, or B. Projecting your type of shit onto me, or most likely C. BOTH!
Now, let's skip all the bullshit and get to the fact you manipulative little fuck.... YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO PREACH ABOUT CHILD WELLFARE!
Suck IT, I hope you will wisen up. Danny and Whooter are not of your values, even if they agree with you on things.
Paul St. John
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Here, I think this suits the day better:
It's a Dysfunction Junction trollfest today! Woo-hoo!! :soapbox: :feedtrolls: :boycott: :roflmao: :spam: :dose: :beat: :twofinger:
lol
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I haven’t read many of your posts. As far as I know, TT, you only have the perspective of one program. There are hundreds out there. Reading your post readers can perceive your statement a couple of ways. One is that those staff people must have been real ass holes to not let you eat, sleep or shit. Two you must have been a real ass hole for them to have to resort to such actions.
So it's A. He was an asshole.
or
B. They were assholes.
Not both..
So in other words, if he was a troubled teen asshole, then the staff were justified in not letting him eat, sleep, or shit.
If he was an asshole, he needn't be fed. It is okay to starve him.
If he was an asshole, it is only right that he should be deprived of his privelages to use the bathroom, and instead should be forced to sit in his own shit.
If he was an asshole, then sleep -deprivation would cure him ( let's remember,, that s what these places are suppose to do-cure) of his asshole-ness. Why not?
Asshole is synonymous with POW, perhaps?
Look, Whooter, with this statement, you have clearly illustrated that you are not qualified by any means to talk about anything in regards to child welfare. I am dead serious.. I'm not just playing a game. I am stating a fact.
I am sure that you will go on preaching, and pretending that you are motivated by your fear that some poor child might not get the help they need from a program.
But you are not qualified, and you could not have made it more clear. You will probably continue to talk, but I will always remember that you are false. You do not care about the things you say you do, and I hope everyone else remembers.
You were outraged at Pile's posting of Morgan's family info, because you were so worried that she might be in danger now- yeah .. okay, buddy..
But it is okay to make an asshole teen shit themselves, withhold food from them, and forcefully keep them from sleeping.
You weren t worried about her. You just saw it as an opportunity to prove your point that Fornits is Bad! Bad! Bad!
Her parents were assholes, would it have been okay if Pile starved them, instead of posting their information? Would he be justified due to the fact that they are assholes?
Paul St. John
Ah, another person with a closed mind. Afraid of an opposing thought. I liked how you threw your hat in with Pile and ran off in a tizzy, your world is so black and white. It pisses you off to think that it is possible that a survivor could be wrong, could be an ass hole and deserves to shit his pants.
What if that person spread his feces all over the wall every-time he was allowed to go to the mens room? Would you continue to let him go? You are closed minded and anyone that makes you think outside your comfort zone shakes your world and you get scared. Run off if you need to.
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Well, at least you are coming out of your shell Whooter. I don t know what you mean by threw my hat in with Pile.
Let's see, if that person, rubbed their shit all over the wall.. No.. I still dont still don t they should be made to shit their pants- not in any sane place, that most of society would know about, and condone...
Now, what about the sleep-deprivation? What's the justification for that? he has dreams about rubbing shit on walls?
What about starving? Okay let's say he rubs his food on the walls.. Well, clearly we gotta come up with some solution.. but I don t think starving would be it.
Now, what could this guy have done to earn all three?
Paul St. John
PS If you want to think that I am somehow working in conju7nction... giggle, giggle, wink.. wink... with Pile that is your choice..
But you are either A. Paranoid, or B. Projecting your type of shit onto me, or most likely C. BOTH!
Now, let's skip all the bullshit and get to the fact you manipulative little fuck.... YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO PREACH ABOUT CHILD WELLFARE!
Suck IT, I hope you will wisen up. Danny and Whooter are not of your values, even if they agree with you on things.
Paul St. John
Paul what the heck are you talking about. Like you have seen someone starve to death, or shit and piss their pants or be sleep deprived to the point of physical injury.
Com'on Dude your stretching this whole conversation to make a point. As usual.
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Here, I think this suits the day better:
It's a Dysfunction Junction trollfest today! Woo-hoo!! :soapbox: :feedtrolls: :boycott: :roflmao: :spam: :dose: :beat: :twofinger:
lol
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:cheers: :cheers: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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WHOOTER SUPPORTS ASPEN PROGRAMS THAT RAPE CHILDREN AND DANNY DRAGS PEOPLE BEHIND VANS. HOW BAD CAN IT GET? NEWS FLASH: WHOOTER IS NOT A PROGRAM PARENT!!! DANNY NEVER WENT TO ELAN!!! JUST SAYIN ( DANNY'S FAVORITE QUOTE ) WTF.....
:jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :suicide: :suicide: :suicide: :suicide: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :suicide: :suicide: :suicide:
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Paul what the heck are you talking about. Like you have seen someone starve to death, or shit and piss their pants or be sleep deprived to the point of physical injury.
We are not talking about whether or not I have seen it. I don t even know if it actually happened. Very well may not have.
What I am talking about is Whooter's point of view, which he not only declared, but also defended, that it is justified to carry out such acts against youths, so long as they meet the qualification of being an asshole.
Com'on Dude your stretching this whole conversation to make a point. As usual.
I'm not stretching anything. I am putting things in context. I am not making a point. I am illustrating a very important point..
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Paul wrote:
If you want to think that I am somehow working in conju7nction... giggle, giggle, wink.. wink... with Pile that is your choice..
But you are either A. Paranoid, or B. Projecting your type of shit onto me, or most likely C. BOTH!
Now, let's skip all the bullshit and get to the fact you manipulative little fuck.... YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO PREACH ABOUT CHILD WELLFARE!
Suck IT, I hope you will wisen up. Danny and Whooter are not of your values, even if they agree with you on things.
Paul St. John
Paul, why are you being aggressive here and using such language. Nobody is attacking you. Some how you will turn this around and make it that Whooter caused you to be this way.
Paul you are abusing posters for no other reason then you don't agree with their philosophy.
Child rearing is difficult.
You just want a war, well I don't want to fight. I just want to have my own opinion here and banter a bit. NO FIGHTING!!!!!
As Inculcate would say, "Baiting".
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Paul, why are you being aggressive here and using such language. Nobody is attacking you. Some how you will turn this around and make it that Whooter caused you to be this way.
Paul you are abusing posters for no other reason then you don't agree with their philosophy.
Child rearing is difficult.
You just want a war, well I don't want to fight. I just want to have my own opinion here and banter a bit. NO FIGHTING!!!!!
As Inculcate would say, "Baiting".
ELAN STAFFER TACTICS.... BENNIKRUGLIK NEVER STOPS!!! I'M ON THE PHONE CALLING THE POLICE....[/size] :on phone: :on phone:
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Why is it everyday at some point someone has to start some shit. I guess it is your day, Paul. Well what if we don't want to fight and hurl expletives at you, Paul. Why not just take a deep breath and chill out.
Whooter and I have every right to state things how we see them, just like you do. Jesus you take everything we say and morph it into some ugly abusive incident, that is your stuff not ours.
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DANNY GO BACK TO KANSAS AND STFU!!!
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Now this is how Fornits should be.
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Paul wrote:
If you want to think that I am somehow working in conju7nction... giggle, giggle, wink.. wink... with Pile that is your choice..
But you are either A. Paranoid, or B. Projecting your type of shit onto me, or most likely C. BOTH!
Now, let's skip all the bullshit and get to the fact you manipulative little fuck.... YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO PREACH ABOUT CHILD WELLFARE!
Suck IT, I hope you will wisen up. Danny and Whooter are not of your values, even if they agree with you on things.
Paul St. John
Paul, why are you being aggressive here and using such language. Nobody is attacking you. Some how you will turn this around and make it that Whooter caused you to be this way.
Paul you are abusing posters for no other reason then you don't agree with their philosophy.
Child rearing is difficult.
You just want a war, well I don't want to fight. I just want to have my own opinion here and banter a bit. NO FIGHTING??????
As InculcateD would say, "Baiting".
D you forgot the d. again. ::evil::
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DANNY GAVE COCAINE TO STUDENTS AT ELAN!!!
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DANNY GAVE COCAINE TO STUDENTS AT ELAN!!!
:jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :suicide: :suicide: :suicide:
It rhymes!!
Heres one:
Whooter gave cocaine to a girl named Elane when she was a student at Tulane.
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Well normally this would be the time for a Fifty Hitler Post, but since we have a couple of what have to be honest-to-Goebbels Nazis on this board, I'll settle for 49.
(http://http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/f8/49hitler.jpg)
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WHOOTER (STICC Founder John Reuben) AKA "THE WHO". SUPPORTS ASPEN WILDERNESS PROGRAMS THAT KILL CHILDREN AND STAFF THAT BEAT THEM!!! JOHN REUBEN IS PAID BY APSEN TO TROLL FORNITS. REUBEN STFU ASSHOLE MOTHER FUCKER JACK OFF!!!
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What are you talking about? Hitler has one of the highest scores in history, third place behind his buddy Joey Stalin and Mao. (Damn chinks always get first place.)
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Suck IT, I hope you will wisen up. Danny and Whooter are not of your values, even if they agree with you on things.
Paul St. John
I'm not here trying to make friends, my private messaging functions are disabled and I never talk to anyone on this forum in private or behind the scenes. Some people might agree with some of my opinions, some people might disagree. It really doesn't bother me too much how it plays out either way. I am here giving my opinions on this industry because I lived it and have some experience with it. If me holding the beliefs that treatment helps people sometimes, AA isn't evil, and believing that Whooter is just a parent and not a payed industry employee makes me fall within the same category of Danny or Whooter, well I can't help that much. I can't believe in what I call Fornits Mythology because I find most of it absurd.
Nobody is asking me for advice, I think the amount of parents coming here for advice at this point is very low, and even fewer read through these long drama filled threads. It would mean little to someone new to this website and probably kind of confusing. So I don't censor my posts with this idea in mind that I am somehow impacting lots of children's futures, like some posters here assume. I think this is a forum where people can be honest about what they think, and so that's how I treat it. I get that some people are abused in treatment, and some are even killed. Others are sent when it's not necessary, and I know the older programs were bad. I went to treatment in the 90's and although it was difficult, I know now that I really needed it and it really did save my life. I can only speak for myself with my experience with treatment. I also have some experience in AA/NA and it was a very positive and beneficial eperience.
So when I read here about AA threads about how its a cult, ineffective and all the hate towards it, I just don't agree. I feel the same way towards treatment programs, because I have a more positive view here than most, so I choose to offer up my side of the story. I don't have an agenda any more complicated than that. I describe why I disagree with so many of the regulars on this forum, because the mythology can get really ridiculous. I just read a post a minute ago where again DJ claims Whooter is a payed Aspen employee, and almost everyone here believes this, even the admins. I just find this so ridiculous, I can't join in the conspiracy fun, sorry.
I try to be respectful the best I can even though I disagree a lot of times and explain my own position and why I feel the way I do. I purposely don't name the treatment program I went to because I'm not trying to push any one program or offer advice to anyone. But I do think I have a right to speak out when I am just explaining my own experience in a treatment program that is often discussed on this forum. The mythology and group think and its ideological enforcers destroy whatever chance this forum had of being an open and free for all discussion. We see what happens to people who hold outside views like that family of the teen girl asking for advice, they are crucified. This is one thing I find most amusing about same people here, like DJ. They want more information like where you went to treatment in order for you to prove you're not 'fiction', but then people who do give out their details and hold contrary opinions to the group are treated like shit. Their pictures are posted, links to their personal websites and blogs. This happens regularly here with people who have been deemed enemies, and even 'one of our own' , another so called survivor, says the wrong thing and bam the cult strikes them down.
So it would be easier to not post here, and go post on a forum that is moderated. Its ironic but forits claims to be a free for all, but when anarchy reigns every man does not remain equal. Gangs can take control too and enforce their own agenda, and part of this is done with disseminating a mythology which allows people to find enough justification for their extremism. When basing your ideology off your own experience its not so easy to take such black and white positions, in my view. Unless you rewrite your own experience as some do and edit their own memory to fit in with the ideology, but thats complicated although I do see it happen. The end result is an echo chamber of ideas, one person trying to out extreme the next. Rather than a discussion about the reality of what goes on from more than one perspective. Fornits cult wants to focus in on the most extreme case of the negative, but that is by definition rare. I think this is a complicated subject and if people aren't honest about what's happening, then the conclusions will be skewed towards the side of simplistic condemnation, and fornits has been that way for a while.
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SUCK IT FUCK YOU!!! GO BACK TO BED GIVING DANNY AND WHOOTER ( STICC Founder John Reuben ) BACK RUBS.....
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I find it amazing that someone would come to a site like this to defend certain programs which have been identified as abusive by anyone capable of thinking for themselves. It is also interesting that those who do this wont name which progam they supposedly attended. This gives their comments zero credibility. Whats so difficult about letting everyone know which facility you were at? i was in Atlanta Straight 83-85. There, thats not so hard. I wouldn't even have the gall to post here if i wasn't prepared to discuss the details of my incarceration. What would be the point?
I haven't posted here much in awhile cause it seems like im having to wade through tons of BS (Whooter, SUCK iT etc) to find useful comments. I feel pretty strongly about this stuff and i've been through hell with the memories I have of what happened to me and others in Straight. Its easy to lie and talk shit on the computer, so I want to invite anyone who wants to tell me how lucky i was to spend 18 months at Straight to come by my store. You can tell me all about how great it all was, as I'm stomping your guts out.
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I find it amazing that someone would come to a site like this to defend certain programs which have been identified as abusive by anyone capable of thinking for themselves. It is also interesting that those who do this wont name which progam they supposedly attended. This gives their comments zero credibility. Whats so difficult about letting everyone know which facility you were at? i was in Atlanta Straight 83-85. There, thats not so hard. I wouldn't even have the gall to post here if i wasn't prepared to discuss the details of my incarceration. What would be the point?
I haven't posted here much in awhile cause it seems like im having to wade through tons of BS (Whooter, SUCK iT etc) to find useful comments. I feel pretty strongly about this stuff and i've been through hell with the memories I have of what happened to me and others in Straight. Its easy to lie and talk shit on the computer, so I want to invite anyone who wants to tell me how lucky i was to spend 18 months at Straight to come by my store. You can tell me all about how great it all was, as I'm stomping your guts out.
Ya, I am so happy that you finally found a excuse for your pathetic life. Lets blame it all on Straight in Atlanta. Well I have been living in Atlanta for the past 12 years and I sit with a bunch of folks who went through Straight and I don't hear them threatening bodily harm to folks who don't agree with them.
Grow the fuck up, pal. Sounds like you have something going for ya, you own a store. I just hope it is not a "head shop".
What is with all this bravado anyway. You folks tried sucking me into it many times and when I bit a few times, turned the whole shebang around on me and made me the bad guy.
I can't believe that someone who went through a treatment center such as you folks, cannot come on this site and share his experience without sending the community here into a neurotic meltdown.
"SO WHAT", his experience is the opposite of yours. Are you really that threatened by a different opinion or is it just unresolved rage. I get the rage and why it is there, what I don't get is blaming it on others and not owning it.
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I find it amazing that someone would come to a site like this to defend certain programs which have been identified as abusive by anyone capable of thinking for themselves. It is also interesting that those who do this wont name which progam they supposedly attended. This gives their comments zero credibility. Whats so difficult about letting everyone know which facility you were at? i was in Atlanta Straight 83-85. There, thats not so hard. I wouldn't even have the gall to post here if i wasn't prepared to discuss the details of my incarceration. What would be the point?
I haven't posted here much in awhile cause it seems like im having to wade through tons of BS (Whooter, SUCK iT etc) to find useful comments. I feel pretty strongly about this stuff and i've been through hell with the memories I have of what happened to me and others in Straight. Its easy to lie and talk shit on the computer, so I want to invite anyone who wants to tell me how lucky i was to spend 18 months at Straight to come by my store. You can tell me all about how great it all was, as I'm stomping your guts out.
If I kept posting the treatment center I went to, I will be accused of pushing that program as a marketing shill. If I don't post it, I'm not credible. I know people here who have certain opinions consider themselves "in charge". Like dysfunction who demands people post information they might not want to, or label themselves with labels they are uncomfortable with. If I choose not to reveal information about myself, that's my choice. Posters who attempt to bully this information out of me will not succeed because I don't feel the need to prove myself. It's up to the reader whether to believe me or dismiss my opinions, it really doesn't matter to me.
You had a negative experience with Straight, I believe you. I, on the other hand, had a positive experience in treatment as a teen, because it really did save my life. Both of these different realities based on different experiences and outcomes can exist simultaneously, even though most fornits posters seem to find that impossible. Just because other people had negative experiences doesn't negate my own, and same with the other way around.
For some reason me offering my own honest experience and opinions really bothers people here. Well I didnt' create fornits, I wasn't the one who declared it an open free for all discussion inviting everyone to participate. If my opinions bother people here so much, then I suggest you direct your complaints towards the admins and beg them to ban people with any pro treatment views. Because the truth is a lot of kids are helped in programs, Straight isn't the only program that ever existed. There are many of them, and they produce many different experiences and even sometimes people's lives are saved like in my case, and in my case treatment very much was necessary. Straight is long out of business, me telling my own honest experience isn't going to get any kid today placed into Straight. I choose to be honest, and I might not fit in with the group think here, but at least I don't feel the need in having censored my own opinions to fit in and make friends on fornits.
I'm not here to tell people they had great experiences, or bad experiences. Only the people that lived them can come up with that conclusion on their own. I choose to respect other people's conclusions, and don't question it, I just accept it. But I also accept that because some people are abused, that doesn't mean every single program in the world is equally abusive. The type of extremism that is commonplace on fornits is something I do not subscribe to, and I choose to point out conclusions that are based on mythology and not reality. This bothers people here, well too bad, take it up with the admins or go create your own "anti treatment posters only" forum or something, because I have just a right to my opinion as anybody else here.
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To the scum who responded to my post. I aint here to make friends either so let me "get honest". I think all you pussy ass mother fuckers who need a treatment facility to stop doing drugs or an AA program or any of that cultish bullshit, are a bunch of weak-minded losers. I got a therapy for ya: Stop being a fuckin selfish scumbag. Can you imagine the misery that someone like DannyBII has caused to his family over the years with his BS? Probably a helluva lot. Yeah, feel my hate motherfucker. You have no idea. Go cry to your fuckin therapist and meanwhile Ill keep on being everything you are not: US Army Vet, College Graduate, Business Owner, Respected member of my community. Ill leave here tonight and go home to my lovely wife of 17 years and 2 great kids. Yeah Danny Boy my life is pretty pathetic aint it.
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I find it amazing that someone would come to a site like this to defend certain programs which have been identified as abusive by anyone capable of thinking for themselves. It is also interesting that those who do this wont name which progam they supposedly attended. This gives their comments zero credibility. Whats so difficult about letting everyone know which facility you were at? i was in Atlanta Straight 83-85. There, thats not so hard. I wouldn't even have the gall to post here if i wasn't prepared to discuss the details of my incarceration. What would be the point?
I haven't posted here much in awhile cause it seems like im having to wade through tons of BS (Whooter, SUCK iT etc) to find useful comments. I feel pretty strongly about this stuff and i've been through hell with the memories I have of what happened to me and others in Straight. Its easy to lie and talk shit on the computer, so I want to invite anyone who wants to tell me how lucky i was to spend 18 months at Straight to come by my store. You can tell me all about how great it all was, as I'm stomping your guts out.
Ya, I am so happy that you finally found a excuse for your pathetic life. Lets blame it all on Straight in Atlanta. Well I have been living in Atlanta for the past 12 years and I sit with a bunch of folks who went through Straight and I don't hear them threatening bodily harm to folks who don't agree with them.
Grow the fuck up, pal. Sounds like you have something going for ya, you own a store. I just hope it is not a "head shop".
What is with all this bravado anyway. You folks tried sucking me into it many times and when I bit a few times, turned the whole shebang around on me and made me the bad guy.
I can't believe that someone who went through a treatment center such as you folks, cannot come on this site and share his experience without sending the community here into a neurotic meltdown.
"SO WHAT", his experience is the opposite of yours. Are you really that threatened by a different opinion or is it just unresolved rage. I get the rage and why it is there, what I don't get is blaming it on others and not owning it.
DANNY NEEDS :seg: A GOOD BLOW JOB..I OFFERED HIM ONE BUT THEN I SAW HIS PICTURE AND CHANGED MY MIND....
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To the scum who responded to my post. I aint here to make friends either so let me "get honest". I think all you pussy ass mother fuckers who need a treatment facility to stop doing drugs or an AA program or any of that cultish bullshit, are a bunch of weak-minded losers. I got a therapy for ya: Stop being a fuckin selfish scumbag. Can you imagine the misery that someone like DannyBII has caused to his family over the years with his BS? Probably a helluva lot. Yeah, feel my hate motherfucker. You have no idea. Go cry to your fuckin therapist and meanwhile Ill keep on being everything you are not: US Army Vet, College Graduate, Business Owner, Respected member of my community. Ill leave here tonight and go home to my lovely wife of 17 years and 2 great kids. Yeah Danny Boy my life is pretty pathetic aint it.
Dude the picture you paint is a very hostile portrait. I can only imagine your rosy life. Hey, I did not come to actually fight just did not like your comments, thought you were a bully.
Some folks just have had a different experience.
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More myths
Parents about to send a kid off read through 500 post threads on fornits first
It's getting kind of funny reading people's posts on some long thread, like on page 36 of some random thread, claiming they are posting for the reader's benefit. "I am here to save the kids". Yes a few people might read it when it's active for a couple days, but after a few more pages, let's get real, nobody is ever going to read that shit. Not a lot of parents come here for advice any more. I wonder why? Maybe it's the economy? Or something else? Well, perhaps they are reading silently, that might be true, yes? With no way of proving it wrong, it makes a perfect addition to the mythology!
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FACT:
No need to wade through pages and pages. Just Google your topic and go right to the #1 hit (http://http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=0h&oq=&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLG_enUS312US312&q=behrens+study).
That's why all you trolls and sockpuppets are here slaving away day and night. If this place was so lame and insignificant, you wouldn't even bother with it.
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FACT:
No need to wade through pages and pages. Just Google your topic and go right to the #1 hit (http://http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=0h&oq=&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLG_enUS312US312&q=behrens+study).
That's why all you trolls and sockpuppets are here slaving away day and night. If this place was so lame and insignificant, you wouldn't even bother with it.
Dysfunction the only one slaving away day and night is you. I make a couple posts earlier today ( I type really fast, thats why I can make long posts in short periods of time), and for the last 20 minutes. From the looks of things it appears you have been at work posting all day. Even you must realize this, right? Or does time and space get warped into your conspiracy theories as well? Ok that was a joke, don't get all mad. I think you need to realize that I don't have an agenda. I am not trying to influence google results or the mysterious invisible parents coming here for advice. You saw what happens to people who come here for advice, I don't think many families are lining up to become the stars of the next fornits reality show.
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Ahhhh....but I'm not here claiming that nobody reads Fornits. I know they do. I post here because I know people read this forum. You post here because you know they won't?
That's irrational, sockpuppet. If you thought nobody would read your posts, you wouldn't be here attention-whoring all the time, would ya? If you truly believed nobody would read your posts, you wouldn't waste your time posting them. You're FOS, buddy.
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So much anger, and more name calling. Feel free to make arguments against any of the mythology here, but your energy is toxic so I think I'm just going to have to ignore you from now on.
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Why is it every time you sockpuppets get caught up in deep logical fallacies you call the person who points it out "angry"? Do they teach this rhetorical style in programs or what? You all have the same pattern.
All I said was you are an irrational sockpuppet. Where's the anger? :rasta:
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Ahhhh....but I'm not here claiming that nobody reads Fornits. I know they do. I post here because I know people read this forum. You post here because you know they won't?
That's irrational, sockpuppet. If you thought nobody would read your posts, you wouldn't be here attention-whoring all the time, would ya? If you truly believed nobody would read your posts, you wouldn't waste your time posting them. You're FOS, buddy.
Now how it is supposed to read;
Oh, you just gave us a golden nugget into your ego-maniacal mind. What a projection; "If "I" thought nobody would read "my" posts, "I" wouldn't be here attention-whoring all the time, would "I"? If "I" truly believed nobody would read "my" posts, "I" wouldn't waste "my" time posting them."
Dysfunction this is you and you know it. I wish I had your PM's you sent me a few months back, "you know the ones".
You grandiose son of a gun.
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Why is it every time you sockpuppets get caught up in deep logical fallacies you call the person who points it out "angry"? Do they teach this rhetorical style in programs or what? You all have the same pattern.
All I said was you are an irrational sockpuppet. Where's the anger? :rasta:
Denial DJ, is not becoming of you. Stop calling people derogatory names. Angry people do this.
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Denial from Danny? lol.... He denied dragging girl behind van, knowledge about Martha Moxley blah blah. :rofl: :rofl:
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Denial from Danny? lol.... He denied dragging girl behind van, knowledge about Martha Moxley blah blah. :rofl: :rofl:
Ok, it time for somebody to go nighty night. Bye Bye..... :-* :-* see you in the morning.
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Are you kidding me? I had no pot to piss in, they made me shit my pants in group, damn near starved me to death, wouldn't let me sleep, and then told me they LOVED ME... Nobody like this SUCK IT joker is gonna convince that me programs are nothin but SHIT, but to each his own. If this clown wants to say he got something outta "sucking the program cock," then I guess that's his business.
I haven’t read many of your posts. As far as I know, TT, you only have the perspective of one program. There are hundreds out there. Reading your post readers can perceive your statement a couple of ways. One is that those staff people must have been real ass holes to not let you eat, sleep or shit. Two you must have been a real ass hole for them to have to resort to such actions.
When only one side of the story is reveled we are left to wonder why someone would act this way.
I had a kid in grade school early on who would wipe his feces on the inside of the stall. He obviously had behavior/anger issues. Finally the teacher just made him stay in his seat and crap in his pants. It was probably better to send him home that way then have to clean up his mess. He was finally removed from school so I don’t know what happened to him.
But he could be out there somewhere telling a story about how this teacher made him crap in his pants and wouldn’t let him go to the bathroom. When you only get part of the story it just makes us wonder.
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Are you kidding me? I had no pot to piss in, they made me shit my pants in group, damn near starved me to death, wouldn't let me sleep, and then told me they LOVED ME... Nobody like this SUCK IT joker is gonna convince that me programs are nothin but SHIT, but to each his own. If this clown wants to say he got something outta "sucking the program cock," then I guess that's his business.
I haven’t read many of your posts. As far as I know, TT, you only have the perspective of one program. There are hundreds out there. Reading your post readers can perceive your statement a couple of ways. One is that those staff people must have been real ass holes to not let you eat, sleep or shit. Two you must have been a real ass hole for them to have to resort to such actions.
When only one side of the story is reveled we are left to wonder why someone would act this way.
I had a kid in grade school early on who would wipe his feces on the inside of the stall. He obviously had behavior/anger issues. Finally the teacher just made him stay in his seat and crap in his pants. It was probably better to send him home that way then have to clean up his mess. He was finally removed from school so I don’t know what happened to him.
But he could be out there somewhere telling a story about how this teacher made him crap in his pants and wouldn’t let him go to the bathroom. When you only get part of the story it just makes us wonder.
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The staff "had" to resort to such treatment.
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The staff "had" to resort to such treatment.
You are starting to take on the mentality of everyone else here. Step back and don’t be so quick to just assume that everything bad that happens is the fault of the staff. People should start to question why things go down as they do.
Look Paul, if you are sitting in a restaurant with your wife or a date and a waiter came up and punched you in the face. Wouldn’t you want to know why? Would you just ignore wanting to know the reason the waiter punched you and just say “Wow this restaurant is very abusive “. You would go through life telling this story to people and they may say: "Why did the waiter punch you in the face?"... you would respond: "I never thought to ask, restaurants must be abusive in general, I do most of my eating at home now".
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Whooter wrote
Look Paul, if you are sitting in a restaurant with your wife or a date and a waiter came up and punched you in the face. Wouldn’t you want to know why? Would you just ignore wanting to know the reason the waiter punched you and just say “Wow this restaurant is very abusive “. You would go through life telling this story to people and they may say: "Why did the waiter punch you in the face?"... you would respond: "I never thought to ask, restaurants must be abusive in general, I do most of my eating at home now".
Sure, but if everyone else you told about your experience had similar stories, and your's was not an isolated incident,
then you just might want stay home to eat.
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My common sense tells me to stay out of this argument, but I'm feeling reckless and impulsive. At my age that means butting into an online argument, which is sad and I'll ponder on that later.
I've said this before and I'll rehash it now. One can only speak about his/her own experience. I'll agree with Whooter, Danny and Suck It and say that not all programs are bad, not all programs are abusive, and many kids are helped through programs. As I saw on an earlier thread, many people suggested reasonable questions to ask treatment centers and encouraged all parents to do their due diligence. I applaud that.
However, when someone does post an abusive incident and is flippantly dismissed by the Fornits mafia, or even applauded by the opposing Fornits mafia in order to prove their agenda on an ongoing argument, it makes for a bitter experience on this forum. Although I see Suck It's POV on giving two sides to each story, I still balk a bit because there are people who claim abuse with a legitimate claim. I agree that there may be a lot of one-sided stories, but if you dismiss all claims as being so, you are inadvertently dismissing the legitimate ones.
My opinion, for what it is worth) is that people should be aware that abuse can exist and that treatment may or may not be successful. That way, parents can hone in on subtle differences in their child's behavior in order to prevent these situations. I think, ultimately, everyone on this forum wants for all teenagers to succeed and become better people. I also believe that one bad experience does not discredit the many good ones.
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My common sense tells me to stay out of this argument, but I'm feeling reckless and impulsive. At my age that means butting into an online argument, which is sad and I'll ponder on that later.
I've said this before and I'll rehash it now. One can only speak about his/her own experience. I'll agree with Whooter, Danny and Suck It and say that not all programs are bad, not all programs are abusive, and many kids are helped through programs. As I saw on an earlier thread, many people suggested reasonable questions to ask treatment centers and encouraged all parents to do their due diligence. I applaud that.
However, when someone does post an abusive incident and is flippantly dismissed by the Fornits mafia, or even applauded by the opposing Fornits mafia in order to prove their agenda on an ongoing argument, it makes for a bitter experience on this forum. Although I see Suck It's POV on giving two sides to each story, I still balk a bit because there are people who claim abuse with a legitimate claim. I agree that there may be a lot of one-sided stories, but if you dismiss all claims as being so, you are inadvertently dismissing the legitimate ones.
My opinion, for what it is worth) is that people should be aware that abuse can exist and that treatment may or may not be successful. That way, parents can hone in on subtle differences in their child's behavior in order to prevent these situations. I think, ultimately, everyone on this forum wants for all teenagers to succeed and become better people. I also believe that one bad experience does not discredit the many good ones.
Very well put. I must apologize for my abrupt comments back a few weeks ago, on another thread. I can be a bit defensive at times. I have been working on my posting demeanor for several weeks now and will continue from here out.
I also want to see more debating of opinions in a less vulgar behavior here. I also know it starts with me.
There are so many topics brought up here on this site, that the conversation could be endless. I have learned much from folks here as I hope they have from me.
We do not have to have two camps that are enemies, bitter and angry with one another. This is a decision made by us not a inherent condition as some would believe.
As you said "JaredsMom" we in essence want the same thing for the kids, healthy honest assistance for their problems.
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Just wanted to point out that the poster DannyBII is a self proclaimed alcoholic, drug addict and child abuser. Yes, he is a fine upstanding citizen whose opinion should be valued as if it were golden. No wait, dont dope fiends like Danny just lie about practically everything? yes they do.
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Whooter wrote
Look Paul, if you are sitting in a restaurant with your wife or a date and a waiter came up and punched you in the face. Wouldn’t you want to know why? Would you just ignore wanting to know the reason the waiter punched you and just say “Wow this restaurant is very abusive “. You would go through life telling this story to people and they may say: "Why did the waiter punch you in the face?"... you would respond: "I never thought to ask, restaurants must be abusive in general, I do most of my eating at home now".
Sure, but if everyone else you told about your experience had similar stories, and your's was not an isolated incident,
then you just might want stay home to eat.
Exactly....
Also, I might add.. I don t judge all programs.. I can t because I don t know about them. I do however have a healthy suspicion of them.
To me it is about more then it is to you. It is about a view of life. It wasn t about abusive acts that were connected in a long chain. It was about the underlying philosophy that gave rise to them. If there are good programs out there- Great! I am not interested in them. There is no law that saya that I have to be. There are a lot of good things in th world, and I just don t have the time to educate myself on every one of them, and get involved. I am only one person. What I am interested in is exposing and putting an end to a form of evil, that I would like to this planet to be rid of. that is where my concern is.
That is what I make my very minor contribution to.
I don t care what anybody says. There are geniuses on this website. People who have a uniques perspective, and cut through the bullshit. Suck_IT is right. A lot of the views on Fornits are unique and different, but that does not make them wrong. The mistake that he makes is always looking at what is written as though it is all inclusive. And you Whooter, I am just curious what your deal is. Suck_It says that he is not an agent of damage control, but he is, whether it is his intention or not. All you have to do to be this, is be a distraction.
Anyhow, Fornits lives on.. Life goes one, and what does Fornits accomplish?
It has accomplished a lot.. A real lot! All ideas spread. Fornits has contributed to making the world a better, more educated place, in at least one small way, and it has given a voice to a lot of people who had a lot to say.
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Whooter wrote
Look Paul, if you are sitting in a restaurant with your wife or a date and a waiter came up and punched you in the face. Wouldn’t you want to know why? Would you just ignore wanting to know the reason the waiter punched you and just say “Wow this restaurant is very abusive “. You would go through life telling this story to people and they may say: "Why did the waiter punch you in the face?"... you would respond: "I never thought to ask, restaurants must be abusive in general, I do most of my eating at home now".
Sure, but if everyone else you told about your experience had similar stories, and your's was not an isolated incident,
then you just might want stay home to eat.
Exactly....
Also, I might add.. I don t judge all programs.. I can t because I don t know about them. I do however have a healthy suspicion of them.
This is a judgment, "a healthy suspicion of them".
To me it is about more then it is to you. It is about a view of life. It wasn t about abusive acts that were connected in a long chain. It was about the underlying philosophy that gave rise to them. If there are good programs out there- Great! I am not interested in them. There is no law that saya that I have to be. There are a lot of good things in th world, and I just don t have the time to educate myself on every one of them, and get involved. I am only one person. What I am interested in is exposing and putting an end to a form of evil, that I would like to this planet to be rid of. that is where my concern is.
That is what I make my very minor contribution to.
I don t care what anybody says. There are geniuses on this website. People who have a uniques perspective, and cut through the bullshit. Suck_IT is right. A lot of the views on Fornits are unique and different, but that does not make them wrong. The mistake that he makes is always looking at what is written as though it is all inclusive. And you Whooter, I am just curious what your deal is. Suck_It says that he is not an agent of damage control, but he is, whether it is his intention or not. All you have to do to be this, is be a distraction.
Anyhow, Fornits lives on.. Life goes one, and what does Fornits accomplish?
It has accomplished a lot.. A real lot! All ideas spread. Fornits has contributed to making the world a better, more educated place, in at least one small way, and it has given a voice to a lot of people who had a lot to say.
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Suck_It says that he is not an agent of damage control, but he is, whether it is his intention or not. All you have to do to be this, is be a distraction.
If offering my experience as someone who went through treatment is viewed as damage control, so be it. This forum claims to be open to all opinions on the subject, but the posters here do not live up to these idealist claims. This forum is more like Lord of the Flies than the Land of the Free. Free speech exist in America because of the 1st amendment. If this country was in anarchy, as is this forum, then gangs of opposing views would duke it out to see who's view on the truth would outlast, and the other view silenced. Anarchy does not breed for a open discussion, as evidenced on this forum.
To just offer up an experience contrary to the ongoing negative narrative here garners such harsh and immediate response, it's laughable to hear the claims of openness. To the users of this forum, it's a hangout for people who were abused, and they will gang up and fight those who claim anything outside of this expectation. This is the reality of what exists on fornits, and it has been proven again and again, and when the new gullible posters shows up soon it will be proven once again. Not many long term posters here, eventually they get over it? I don't know, but to me most of this forum is a distraction.
It's a distraction from the reality of what exists into today's treatment industry. Why are all the "survivors" that post here from treatment 10, 15, 30 years ago? Most kids go to treatment and are helped and go home and never have a reason to find a site like this, that is evidenced by the relatively small number of posters here. If there is a "holocaust" going on with so many thousands of "gulags" open and kids being "abused" on a daily basis, where are they? I talk to people I went to treatment with, nobody says they saw abuse, and when the term "survivor" comes up they think I'm talking about the CBS reality show.
Fornits version of reality is so skewed, but people continue to come here and feed themselves with the mythology and to them, this becomes reality. What is discussed here is often times not based on reality, this is just a place to reinforce beliefs that could never be reinforced anywhere but fornits, because reality would slowly crumble the mythology upon which fornits reality is based. Sorry that I can be a distraction from fornits reality, but sometimes I feel the need to inject a dose of real reality into this world of mythology that exists solely on fornits.
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Suck_It says that he is not an agent of damage control, but he is, whether it is his intention or not. All you have to do to be this, is be a distraction.
If offering my experience as someone who went through treatment is viewed as damage control, so be it. This forum claims to be open to all opinions on the subject, but the posters here do not live up to these idealist claims. This forum is more like Lord of the Flies than the Land of the Free. Free speech exist in America because of the 1st amendment. If this country was in anarchy, as is this forum, then gangs of opposing views would duke it out to see who's view on the truth would outlast, and the other view silenced. Anarchy does not breed for a open discussion, as evidenced on this forum.
To just offer up an experience contrary to the ongoing negative narrative here garners such harsh and immediate response, it's laughable to hear the claims of openness. To the users of this forum, it's a hangout for people who were abused, and they will gang up and fight those who claim anything outside of this expectation. This is the reality of what exists on fornits, and it has been proven again and again, and when the new gullible posters shows up soon it will be proven once again. Not many long term posters here, eventually they get over it? I don't know, but to me most of this forum is a distraction.
It's a distraction from the reality of what exists into today's treatment industry. Why are all the "survivors" that post here from treatment 10, 15, 30 years ago? Most kids go to treatment and are helped and go home and never have a reason to find a site like this, that is evidenced by the relatively small number of posters here. If there is a "holocaust" going on with so many thousands of "gulags" open and kids being "abused" on a daily basis, where are they? I talk to people I went to treatment with, nobody says they saw abuse, and when the term "survivor" comes up they think I'm talking about the CBS reality show.
Fornits version of reality is so skewed, but people continue to come here and feed themselves with the mythology and to them, this becomes reality. What is discussed here is often times not based on reality, this is just a place to reinforce beliefs that could never be reinforced anywhere but fornits, because reality would slowly crumble the mythology upon which fornits reality is based. Sorry that I can be a distraction from fornits reality, but sometimes I feel the need to inject a dose of real reality into this world of mythology that exists solely on fornits.
Thanks suck, keeping it real.
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We're really going to continue with this troll thread? All right...
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Remember, folks, what happened to you wasn't really abuse, because some guy named SUCK IT said so on a forum. That whole "sexualized roleplay" thing at MBA? Of course that wasn't abuse; forcing 15-year-old girls to divulge sexual secrets is perfectly okay. There's nothing wrong with pedo touches at CALO. And all these dead kids in my sig? Nah, they're still up and walking around, just ask them!
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Good discussion....I really dont need to post this because the topic has been covered very well by others but here are some brief thoughts:
There have been many new regular posters added to fornits recently which are open minded and tolerate both points of view and I think this will help to give more credibility to fornits and allow it to grow and help new posters feel comfortable sharing their experiences without intimidation. A few years ago new posters with positive experiences would be easily chased away, but now the culture has changed a bit (albeit very little) with added posters besides myself who will stick up for the kids and parents who have had positive experiences and help diminish the size of the dark cloud that hovers above fornits.
As far as “damage control” , this phrase always intrigued me as I was always tagged myself as one doing “Damage Control” but no one could ever point out what the damage was that I was supposedly trying to control. The industry has grown from a handful of programs 30 years ago to over 500 programs today. So the Therapeutic Boarding School industry continues to thrive, expand and grow. It is providing help to more children today than it has in past years.
I will tell you straight out that kids have been abused in programs and kids have been helped by programs. But try to ask that question to one of the long time regulars here and you will get:
“Well there are kids who think they have been helped”
“Give it a few years and the kids will realize that they were not helped”
“Most suffer from Stockholm syndrome so of course they say they were helped”
“That’s proof that these kids have been brain washed”
But you will never hear any of them say that a child was ever helped.. I always wondered why that was. Why the closed mind and the resistance to seeing what is going on around them?
as an aside, we clearly see posters who are threatened by this candid open discussion trying to derail it.
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Remember, folks, what happened to you wasn't really abuse, because some guy named SUCK IT said so on a forum. That whole "sexualized roleplay" thing at MBA? Of course that wasn't abuse; forcing 15-year-old girls to divulge sexual secrets is perfectly okay. There's nothing wrong with pedo touches at CALO. And all these dead kids in my sig? Nah, they're still up and walking around, just ask them!
:rofl: :whip: :rocker: :tup:
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If my ideas are so dangerous to fornits, then why do you keep bumping my threads to the top?
Nothing says credibility like pictures of dead people, but then again, I do not subscribe to the myth that a bunch of parents are coming here for advice. I know they go to the professional consultants who are reality based.
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If you put a random person who graduated from a program today in a room with one of our long time fornits posters the closed minded fornits poster would go nuts and might respond like this:
What do you mean you are happy now and have a family?
There is no way you went to college and have a good job now! The koolaid should have worn off by now. Stop talking.
Why are you telling me this! Stop it! I know that you are lying. Programs are designed to destroy kids not help them. You are suppose to be screwed up like I am and running around blaming the program for a failed life.
Put those pictures of your family away, I don’t want to see them. My family dumped me.. well actually it is me who distanced myself from them. They are still happy and have reunions I just choose not to go because they screwed up my life.
Look, there is no way you could be happy right now. You are just brainwashed, stfu!! Forced therapy never works everybody knows that. Look at me I refused to do anything the program told me to. Whatever they said I did the opposite. I even crapped in my pants to avoid group therapy once. I am living proof of..well …proof of..that programs are abusive and don’t work.
Please stop talking about how happy you are you must be insane… please someone let me out of this room so I can go back to my reality!!! Please?
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What if you put Whooter in jail with some random "huge black guys"? He soils himself. :roflmao: He was a punk in the joint, too. What a surprise!
Of course you did not find anything. As stated previously the entire thread is gone. This has happened to a lot of data in the 2 moved which have just occured. The who deleted his post claiming that he repaid his debt to society but the entire thread has been removed.
Th Anne bonney, unfortunately you are wrong. I wish that you were not. I am not the who. I genuinely recall seeing this post. it is extremely frustrating that it appears to no longer exist as it is information that any parent should be aware of when reading this bastard's posts.
Hey, I'm not saying it did or didn't happen and that is damned frustrating. He's the only one who can do that. I was just presenting a theory. I wish there was some way to retrieve it. Have you contacted Ginger or anyone else through PMs to see if there is any chance? There must at least be a Google 'cached' page?? I have no idea what I'm talking about so someone tell me if that's not possible.
Hey. Let's try this.
The Who.....have you ever been charged with lewd and lascivious behavior or child molestation or anything similar? Anything in that realm? This is your chance to state, unequivocally one way or the other what your side of the story is. Or do you not want to 'go on record' so to speak, denying it in case you're proven wrong later? I really have no fucking clue.
Hi Anne, seems I am on the hot seat:
Actually I do have a record...I was arrested several times in Boston and once in Ann Arbor Michigan...I will never forget they separated me from the others for some reason and I ended up in a cell with 5 other people. This one hue black guy who was obviously drunk out of his mind kept falling asleep and then falling off his bench...he would then wake up and look right at me and say something like : if you push me again white boy I will "F" you up so much even your mother will not love you..... I was so scared...
Lols. Whooter does the crime and then craps his pants in jail (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23338&p=284895&hilit=+arrest#p284869). Awww...another BAWWW sesion.
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I just want to thank everybody for keeping on topic, great job guys.
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If you put a random person who graduated from a program today in a room with one of our long time fornits posters the closed minded fornits poster would go nuts and might respond like this:
What do you mean you are happy now and have a family?
There is no way you went to college and have a good job now! The koolaid should have worn off by now. Stop talking.
Why are you telling me this! Stop it! I know that you are lying. Programs are designed to destroy kids not help them. You are suppose to be screwed up like I am and running around blaming the program for a failed life.
Put those pictures of your family away, I don’t want to see them. My family dumped me.. well actually it is me who distanced myself from them. They are still happy and have reunions I just choose not to go because they screwed up my life.
Look, there is no way you could be happy right now. You are just brainwashed, stfu!! Forced therapy never works everybody knows that. Look at me I refused to do anything the program told me to. Whatever they said I did the opposite. I even crapped in my pants to avoid group therapy once. I am living proof of..well …proof of..that programs are abusive and don’t work.
Please stop talking about how happy you are you must be insane… please someone let me out of this room so I can go back to my reality!!! Please?
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"I even crapped in my pants to avoid group therapy once".
"Please stop talking about how happy you are you must be insane… please someone let me out of this room so I can go back to my reality!!! Please?
It would not be so funny, if it wasn't true. :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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"Dysfunction Junction" wrote:
What if you put Whooter in jail with some random "huge black guys"? He soils himself. :roflmao: He was a punk in the joint, too. What a surprise!
DJ, anyone here including yourself would crap their pants under the same circumstance. So lets bring down the macho-ism volume. Like you would not be a punk in jail, DJ.
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I don't let people chump me off, Danny. I don't give a damn who they are or how bad they are. I go for mine, bro.
Whooter, OTOH, makes a C130 landing strip in his skivvies whenever he sees a black man, especially when he's locked up.
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Okay, so the actual poster shows up with this (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27670) and then...
C'mon, assholes. Tell us how you respond to this.
ive been out of asr for a few months now but it honestly still bothers me. it fucked up high school so bad for me. all my friends are applying to college and i have no aps, no extra cirriculars. i never did drugs before i got sent there, i just skipped school. being escorted fucked up the trust with my parents so bad. i still cant believe they did that to me. i understand they were scared but they dont know what it was like spending a year there. when i try to think about it it doesn't even feell like part of my life, it feels so surreal. i cant believe it happened. its easier for me to pretend that a year of my life just vanished because i just dont understand how that could have happened to me. they wasted so much money on it and now i'm starting at a new school for the third time in three years and no one understands how hard it is to adjust. i've gotten no help from asr, even though we paid the 90,000 for a full year there, just because i got pulled instead of graduated. its so hard to explain what its like there.it still scares me. i've had dreams about bitching out the staff there. i just feel literally like part of my life disappeared. like i never get to be a real teenager because halfway through it i was basically imprisoned. this isn't fair.
it makes me so sad to think about because it feels like such a waste. thats my time that i'm never getting back. its such a waste i regret it so much and i didn't even get to make that choice for myself. i didn't even know about it until the night i left. it feels like life-rape like someone took my life and raped it up the asshole. who the fuck would do that to me its so ridiculously not fair. that school is a liar. they took my money and my time so i cant get into or afford college anymore. i mean shit this is my life, its not some fucking game for crc to make money off of. they fucking employed alcoholics, potheads, some crazy bitch who fucked students & bought them alcohol, redneck who beat the kids in dorms. they over medicated us, prescribed us shit thats stronger than a lot of what kids were doing before they got sent away. kids never even met with a doctor, they were prescribed by someone who wasn't even qualified. no confidentiality, bullshit therapy, random dorm searches, harassment. where the fuck is there right pull that shit on us.
kids snorted pills, drank hand sanitizer, were desperate to get out of there. all phonecalls, letters, emails, when they were allowed, were monitered.
no certification for the therapy, underqualified teachers.
they fucking lied. they took our money and our lives and lied to us and left a lot of us worse off than we were before.
treatment shouldn't traumatize. i'm going to have to live with this for the rest of my life when i didn't fucking do shit more than any normal teenager does and i dont deserve this shit. it isn't fair.it isn't fair this fucking bullshit waste of time` program has to be a part of my life now. i dont want to live withh this i dont want it to be a part ofme i jsut want it all to go away. this shouldn't be my life.
Let's see the depths of inhumanity. Tell him that he's making it all up. Please.
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I don't let people chump me off, Danny. I don't give a damn who they are or how bad they are. I go for mine, bro.
Whooter, OTOH, makes a C130 landing strip in his skivvies whenever he sees a black man, especially when he's locked up.
Can't you keep your Whooter obsession in the designated threads? Please, pretty please? Thanks, and I mean that sincerely!
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Whooter is part of the Fornits mythology which consists of phony program parents and phony program kids. It's appropriate to post it here. Besides, who doesn't get a giggle out of Whooter cowering in fear in a jail cell pooping his pants because of the "scary black guy"? :roflmao:
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I don't let people chump me off, Danny. I don't give a damn who they are or how bad they are. I go for mine, bro.
Whooter, OTOH, makes a C130 landing strip in his skivvies whenever he sees a black man, especially when he's locked up.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: Your tuff guy routine, does not match the presence you have created here.
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I don't let people chump me off, Danny. I don't give a damn who they are or how bad they are. I go for mine, bro.
Whooter, OTOH, makes a C130 landing strip in his skivvies whenever he sees a black man, especially when he's locked up.
Look,DJ, I was in my early twenties and was never in a cell like that before. The guy (black or white) scared the crap out of me. He could have squashed me with one hand, he must have had 100 pounds on me and ten years older and street experience which I didn’t have. I was arrested for handing out fliers to help cafeteria workers get a better quality of life and health benefits.
You might have felt the same way when you were younger.
If you want to discuss this we should take it to another thread. Maybe your Reuben thread.
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Well? Did it happen or not?
ive been out of asr for a few months now but it honestly still bothers me. it fucked up high school so bad for me. all my friends are applying to college and i have no aps, no extra cirriculars. i never did drugs before i got sent there, i just skipped school. being escorted fucked up the trust with my parents so bad. i still cant believe they did that to me. i understand they were scared but they dont know what it was like spending a year there. when i try to think about it it doesn't even feell like part of my life, it feels so surreal. i cant believe it happened. its easier for me to pretend that a year of my life just vanished because i just dont understand how that could have happened to me. they wasted so much money on it and now i'm starting at a new school for the third time in three years and no one understands how hard it is to adjust. i've gotten no help from asr, even though we paid the 90,000 for a full year there, just because i got pulled instead of graduated. its so hard to explain what its like there.it still scares me. i've had dreams about bitching out the staff there. i just feel literally like part of my life disappeared. like i never get to be a real teenager because halfway through it i was basically imprisoned. this isn't fair.
it makes me so sad to think about because it feels like such a waste. thats my time that i'm never getting back. its such a waste i regret it so much and i didn't even get to make that choice for myself. i didn't even know about it until the night i left. it feels like life-rape like someone took my life and raped it up the asshole. who the fuck would do that to me its so ridiculously not fair. that school is a liar. they took my money and my time so i cant get into or afford college anymore. i mean shit this is my life, its not some fucking game for crc to make money off of. they fucking employed alcoholics, potheads, some crazy bitch who fucked students & bought them alcohol, redneck who beat the kids in dorms. they over medicated us, prescribed us shit thats stronger than a lot of what kids were doing before they got sent away. kids never even met with a doctor, they were prescribed by someone who wasn't even qualified. no confidentiality, bullshit therapy, random dorm searches, harassment. where the fuck is there right pull that shit on us.
kids snorted pills, drank hand sanitizer, were desperate to get out of there. all phonecalls, letters, emails, when they were allowed, were monitered.
no certification for the therapy, underqualified teachers.
they fucking lied. they took our money and our lives and lied to us and left a lot of us worse off than we were before.
treatment shouldn't traumatize. i'm going to have to live with this for the rest of my life when i didn't fucking do shit more than any normal teenager does and i dont deserve this shit. it isn't fair.it isn't fair this fucking bullshit waste of time` program has to be a part of my life now. i dont want to live withh this i dont want it to be a part ofme i jsut want it all to go away. this shouldn't be my life.
You're going to claim this is all "mythology", right? Didn't happen, right? Please. Come out and say so. Come out and talk about how this guy could have had a good experience if only he had accepted the program.
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I don't let people chump me off, Danny. I don't give a damn who they are or how bad they are. I go for mine, bro.
Whooter, OTOH, makes a C130 landing strip in his skivvies whenever he sees a black man, especially when he's locked up.
Look,DJ, I was in my early twenties and was never in a cell like that before. The guy (black or white) scared the crap out of me. He could have squashed me with one hand, he must have had 100 pounds on me and ten years older and street experience which I didn’t have. I was arrested for handing out fliers to help cafeteria workers get a better quality of life and health benefits.
You might have felt the same way when you were younger.
If you want to discuss this we should take it to another thread. Maybe your Reuben thread.
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Whooter people don't get arrested for "handing out fliers." What laws did you violate that were the root cause of your arrest?
Joel this isnt the thread for this discussion but I will respond since you asked. I drove my car up and blocked the entrance to the cafeteria at college and removed the keys and was handing out fliers to get better benefits for the cafeteria workers who were given nothing except minimum wage (if I remember correctly). My room mate ran off with the keys and the cops had to have my car towed and the school pressed charges...... etc. etc. so they threw me in the tank to teach me a lesson.. it wasn't my first brush with the law.
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I don't let people chump me off, Danny. I don't give a damn who they are or how bad they are. I go for mine, bro.
Whooter, OTOH, makes a C130 landing strip in his skivvies whenever he sees a black man, especially when he's locked up.
Look,DJ, I was in my early twenties and was never in a cell like that before. The guy (black or white) scared the crap out of me. He could have squashed me with one hand, he must have had 100 pounds on me and ten years older and street experience which I didn’t have. I was arrested for handing out fliers to help cafeteria workers get a better quality of life and health benefits.
You might have felt the same way when you were younger.
If you want to discuss this we should take it to another thread. Maybe your Reuben thread.
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Yeah, well, that sounds like a cock and bull story to me. The bottom line is that while you're playing holier than thou here, you're a common criminal who did the crime but couldn't do the time without soiling himself. You crapped your drawers in the county tank, Whooter. That's funny.
Especially since you make fun of kids who have the same slope-browed type bully program staff beat them down in the programs you have a fiduciary interest in. You tell them it's their fault that adults abuse them. Well, it's your fault that you're a criminal and had to do time with scary black men. Grow a set of balls and stop being such a pansy. No wonder you're such an insecure weakling, even on a message board.
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DJ, pick it up here:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=372190#p372190)
so we don't derail this thread.
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DJ, pick it up here:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=372190#p372190)
so we don't derail this thread.
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Oh, that's funny. Did I tell you I am a big black guy? Are you soiling yourself now that you know? Remember, Whooter, I control your actions, not the other way around. :whip: