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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: Oscar on July 22, 2010, 07:01:12 AM
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They failed to destroy the life of their son, so now they are going after those who told the truth of the place the banished their son to:
Michael and Miriam Hersh demand Yahoo! and Google release names of blog commenters for $411M lawsuit (http://http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2010/07/22/2010-07-22_tells_us_who_hates_us_bklyn_pair_spur_showdown_over_net_freedom.html), by Simone Weichselbaum, New York Daily News, July 22, 2010
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Well if your spreading lies, that is defamation and you can be successfully sued for that. I don't believe you should use anonymity as part of your slanderous assault on someone.
I understand we are talking about Tranquility Bay and concerned citizens trying to help their son. Which I salute but using slander to accomplish the mission.
Obviously we don't know all the particulars about this relationship between son and parents (from reading one small article) but I would gather his parents were not lying about how they felt that he needed treatment (in their mind and hearts). I am not saying the son did or did not need some form of help, all I am saying is do we go to slander (extremism) to get what "the" advocates want.
The (so-called rescuers) are just as bad if not worse then the parents for crying out loud.
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New York Daily News
Michael and Miriam Hersh demand Yahoo! and Google release names of blog commenters for $411M lawsuit (http://http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2010/07/22/2010-07-22_tells_us_who_hates_us_bklyn_pair_spur_showdown_over_net_freedom.html)
BY Simone Weichselbaum · DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, July 22nd 2010, 4:00 AM
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thecooljew.net; failedmessiah.typepad.com
Michael Hersh (b.) and wife Miriam are trying to sue anonymous commenters that criticized the couple's parenting decisions on blogs such as the cooljew.net and failedmessiah.com.
(http://http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/07/22/amd_michael_hersh.jpg)
An angry Brooklyn couple whose parenting choices were excoriated online by scores of anonymous commenters are demanding Yahoo and Google unmask their attackers so they can sue them for $411 million.
Michael and Miriam Hersh were pilloried after their fellow Orthodox Jews in March 2008 launched a bizarre rescue mission to pull their troubled teen son from a behavior boot camp they put him in.
Michael Hersh was described as a "Nazi" - and worse - by commenters on thecooljew.com Web site. He and and his wife were further criticized across the blogosophere.
The Hersh family, which declined comment yesterday, has insisted in the past they were looking out for their son's best interests - not being cruel.
The online criticism of the mom and dad was relentless, and Michael Hersh says it's to blame for his firing from his $200,000-a-year job as the CEO of Hatzolah, the Jewish volunteer ambulance corps that serves the city.
The suit filed in Brooklyn Supreme Court cites one site - thefailedmessiah.com - for posting Michael Hersh's picture and asking: "Should this man be CEO of Hatzalah. ... Shouldn't he and his wife be in jail."
The Electronic Frontier Foundation, a group that says its fighting for Internet freedom - and Web anonymity - is trying to block subpoenas sent to Yahoo and Google, which hosted the blogs in question.
The suit is the latest in a line of suits the foundation's senior staff lawyer Matt Zimmerman said could chill free speech on the freewheeling Internet.
"All you have to do is file a lawsuit, issue a subpoena and find the identities of your critics," said Zimmerman.
"This is happening more and more," he added, "so more people are being offended than ever before."
Still, he thinks their right to remain anonymous should be protected by the courts.
"No blog is safe," said the blogger behind a site called theunorthodoxjew. "Any blog will be affected if Yahoo or Google gives up the information."
Media law expert Sam Bayard said Internet users should realize there is a difference between criticizing someone you disagree with - and spreading lies about them.
"If what you are saying is illegal, known as defamation, someone can sue you," said Bayard, who is the assistant director of the Citizen Media Law Project at Harvard Law School.
Besides the bloggers, the Hershes also name their relatives, Hasidic activist Tzvi Gluck and nearly a dozen others who coordinated the effort to rescue their son from Tranquility Bay, a notoriously rough boot camp.
With Edgar Sandoval
simonew@nydailynews.com
© Copyright 2010 NYDailyNews.com.
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Oh, yes. Trying to sue people for telling the truth. That'll work very well, just like it did for Sue Scheff.
Streissand Effect is already all over the Internet for this one. If people didn't know that Michael and Miriam Hersh were child abusing shitheads before, they sure do now.
I love it when programmies self-destruct like this, is there any way to encourage more of it? Hey Danny, want to tell all the program parents you meet that someone is slandering them on the Internet and they can sue for it? Go on, it'll work perfectly!
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Well if your spreading lies, that is defamation and you can be successfully sued for that. I don't believe you should use anonymity as part of your slanderous assault on someone.
I understand we are talking about Tranquility Bay and concerned citizens trying to help their son. Which I salute but using slander to accomplish the mission.
Obviously we don't know all the particulars about this relationship between son and parents (from reading one small article) but I would gather his parents were not lying about how they felt that he needed treatment (in their mind and hearts). I am not saying the son did or did not need some form of help, all I am saying is do we go to slander (extremism) to get what "you" (advocates) want.
The (so-called rescuers) are just as bad if not worse then the parents for crying out loud.
Perhaps ya might wanna do a little more research as to just what IS already known about the case ... prior to making your assumptions, mmm?
See also this post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=26455&p=322048#p322048) by Covergaard in December of 2008...
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Oh, yes. Trying to sue people for telling the truth. That'll work very well, just like it did for Sue Scheff.
Streissand Effect is already all over the Internet for this one. If people didn't know that Michael and Miriam Hersh were child abusing shitheads before, they sure do now.
I love it when programmies self-destruct like this, is there any way to encourage more of it? Hey Danny, want to tell all the program parents you meet that someone is slandering them on the Internet and they can sue for it? Go on, it'll work perfectly!
Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.I don't believe this type of publicity, Pile helps your cause at all. This will only help their cause even more.
Those chicken shit anon-posters who want to lie to get their point across should be prosecuted and I believe you know this.
Don't make this into whether I support programs or not because I am not originating my argument from there.
I don't believe I will have to tell parents Pile, you already damn near found out how much trouble you could get in, son. Something tells me you have not learned your lesson either, extremism is a "miscarriage of justice" Pile.
It is just a matter of time when Anon's will have to pay (pun intended) for their derelictions.
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Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.
:roflmao: Somehow, I have my doubts about that...
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Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.
:roflmao: Somehow, I have my doubts about that...
Why??????
Oh because he went to Tranquility Bay, com'on Ursus you can't be this arrogant concerning your cause, to think they are ashamed they sent their son to this program and want it hidden.
They are angry because people defamed them.
Wow you folks really just have one way of thinking around here, "your way".
Ursus big world out there, everyone is not operating within your thoughts.
Ursus, I had a parent ask me maybe 3 months ago why are you still posting here. I said, "I really did not know", still don't.
This parent sent her daughter to a Wilderness program, things went awful and she took her daughter back home. Conditions are much better today I might add.
She found this site trying to find forums, threads and posts concerning children and parents with similar experiences, she could not find anything with substance. I tried also but was surprised to find the same results. This is what prompted her to question me.
Funny part is your a parent and many others are too, yet you extend little to parents. Maybe you just don't know how or you have confused latent feeling toward your parents which manifest itself here through a sense of indifference.
No from that short article, I don't believe they are worried about publicity, 400million suit should attest to that.
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Someone might want to send them a copy of the WWASP V Sue Scheff trial transcript.
A trial means people get to take the stand and give sworn testimony about why they said what they said. Its not gonna be positive or supportive of Tranquility Bay, or any parent with the flood of information in front of them who fought to keep a child there.
Speaking of which a copy of ISAC's Tranquility Bay report, and WWASP alleged crimes report might come in handy as well.
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you already damn near found out how much trouble you could get in, son
ITT Danny tries to threaten me :rofl: :roflmao:
Now do it again, but this time in a girl voice!
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Anyone who would say that parents would want to keep it a secret hasn't met program parents before or do not have an understanding of the situation. I don’t know a parent who would be ashamed of sending a child to Wilderness or a Program. There are those who argue that a child should never be separated from the family for any reason, but aside from that most people feel that the parents went over and above trying to help their child and admire their dedication to helping their children.
Many times the reason placement of a child in a program is not discussed in mixed company or kept quiet is for respect of or to shelter the child from embarrassment. Many of the children want to forget that “Speed Bump” in their lives and discussing it openly reminds the child of mistakes that he/she made in their lives.
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Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.
:roflmao: Somehow, I have my doubts about that...
Why??????
Oh because he went to Tranquility Bay, com'on Ursus you can't be this arrogant concerning your cause, to think they are ashamed they sent their son to this program and want it hidden.
They are angry because people defamed them.
Wow you folks really just have one way of thinking around here, "your way".
Ursus big world out there, everyone is not operating within your thoughts.
Ursus, I had a parent ask me maybe 3 months ago why are you still posting here. I said, "I really did not know", still don't.
This parent sent her daughter to a Wilderness program, things went awful and she took her daughter back home. Conditions are much better today I might add.
She found this site trying to find forums, threads and posts concerning children and parents with similar experiences, she could not find anything with substance. I tried also but was surprised to find the same results. This is what prompted her to question me.
Funny part is your a parent and many others are too, yet you extend little to parents. Maybe you just don't know how or you have confused latent feeling toward your parents which manifest itself here through a sense of indifference.
No from that short article, I don't believe they are worried about publicity, 400million suit should attest to that.
LOL. Put some muscle behind that motor (mouth), Dannyboy, and you might begin to garner yourself some respect 'round here. 'Till then...
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Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.
:roflmao: Somehow, I have my doubts about that...
Anyone who would say that parents would want to keep it a secret hasn't met program parents before or do not have an understanding of the situation. I don't know a parent who would be ashamed of sending a child to Wilderness or a Program. There are those who argue that a child should never be separated from the family for any reason, but aside from that most people feel that the parents went over and above trying to help their child and admire their dedication to helping their children.
I laughed about this earlier, 'cuz even though these parents might want SOME of this case out in the public, I'm sure they don't want ALL of it ... and that is not something you can control once the press starts airing all the dirty laundry.
However, Whooter is right when it comes to dyed in the wool program parents, and, with all due respect as I'm sure the situation's complex, these would be them alright...
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Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.
:roflmao: Somehow, I have my doubts about that...
Why??????
Oh because he went to Tranquility Bay, com'on Ursus you can't be this arrogant concerning your cause, to think they are ashamed they sent their son to this program and want it hidden.
They are angry because people defamed them.
Wow you folks really just have one way of thinking around here, "your way".
Ursus big world out there, everyone is not operating within your thoughts.
Ursus, I had a parent ask me maybe 3 months ago why are you still posting here. I said, "I really did not know", still don't.
This parent sent her daughter to a Wilderness program, things went awful and she took her daughter back home. Conditions are much better today I might add.
She found this site trying to find forums, threads and posts concerning children and parents with similar experiences, she could not find anything with substance. I tried also but was surprised to find the same results. This is what prompted her to question me.
Funny part is your a parent and many others are too, yet you extend little to parents. Maybe you just don't know how or you have confused latent feeling toward your parents which manifest itself here through a sense of indifference.
No from that short article, I don't believe they are worried about publicity, 400million suit should attest to that.
LOL. Put some muscle behind that motor (mouth), Dannyboy, and you might begin to garner yourself some respect 'round here. 'Till then...
Ursus,
I guess I made my point...aye Ursus. You have not a clue you just react.
The difference between you and I is, I really do not care whether you respect my opinions or not. I am not going to read coverguard or anything else you suggest because as usual it has nothing to do with my "original" point.
In this case the parents of this child are suing for defamation. I then went on to talk about Anon's, going willy nilly because they feel omnipotent.
That's it.....
You can make up what you want from here.....bye bye.
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Ursus,
I guess I made my point...aye Ursus. You have not a clue you just react.
The difference between you and I is, I really do not care whether you respect my opinions or not. I am not going to read coverguard or anything else you suggest because as usual it has nothing to do with my "original" point.
In this case the parents of this child are suing for defamation. I then went on to talk about Anon's, going willy nilly because they feel omnipotent.
That's it.....
You can make up what you want from here.....bye bye.
How can you even make an "original point," when you know next to nothing about any of the facts?
And yet you refuse to educate yourself, even when the means are quite literally handed to you?
Oh. Right. How silly of me... :D
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Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.
:roflmao: Somehow, I have my doubts about that...
Anyone who would say that parents would want to keep it a secret hasn't met program parents before or do not have an understanding of the situation. I don't know a parent who would be ashamed of sending a child to Wilderness or a Program. There are those who argue that a child should never be separated from the family for any reason, but aside from that most people feel that the parents went over and above trying to help their child and admire their dedication to helping their children.
I laughed about this earlier, 'cuz even though these parents might want SOME of this case out in the public, I'm sure they don't want ALL of it ... and that is not something you can control once the press starts airing all the dirty laundry.
However, Whooter is right when it comes to dyed in the wool program parents, and, with all due respect as I'm sure the situation's complex, these would be them alright...
Ursus,
Ya know what is really laughable is how you "think", your arrogance is overshadowing your common sense.
Here let me help you, Tranquility Bay is going to get plenty publicity out of this no matter what happens and your cause will take another hit as being a extremist fringe group. Because you lack organization and discipline.
That is the shame, nobody is above morality.
In case your confused I am not a advocate for TB.
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I'd like to see the anonymity of the 'net' protected, but I almost hope these parents would get their wish. Let's face it....TB was one of the worst and if they do get their way, all that shit will come pouring out and it will have a much bigger 'audience' this time.
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Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.
:roflmao: Somehow, I have my doubts about that...
Anyone who would say that parents would want to keep it a secret hasn't met program parents before or do not have an understanding of the situation. I don't know a parent who would be ashamed of sending a child to Wilderness or a Program. There are those who argue that a child should never be separated from the family for any reason, but aside from that most people feel that the parents went over and above trying to help their child and admire their dedication to helping their children.
I laughed about this earlier, 'cuz even though these parents might want SOME of this case out in the public, I'm sure they don't want ALL of it ... and that is not something you can control once the press starts airing all the dirty laundry.
However, Whooter is right when it comes to dyed in the wool program parents, and, with all due respect as I'm sure the situation's complex, these would be them alright...
Ursus,
Ya know what is really laughable is how you "think", your arrogance is overshadowing your common sense.
Here let me help you, Tranquility Bay is going to get plenty publicity out of this no matter what happens and your cause will take another hit as being a extremist fringe group. Because you lack organization and discipline.
That is the shame, nobody is above morality.
In case your confused I am not a advocate for TB.
What "cause" would that be, Danny? Somehow, I find it a real stretch to think of myself as "extremist" or "fringe," but perhaps you know something that some of us don't! :D
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I'd like to see the anonymity of the 'net' protected, but I almost hope these parents would get their wish. Let's face it....TB was one of the worst and if they do get their way, all that shit will come pouring out and it will have a much bigger 'audience' this time.
It is either right or it is not. We cant just say this person is protected but this other one is not because of our personal beliefs.
Lets say some Green Peace spin-off fringe group felt your gasoline engine on your boat was killing too many fish in the harbor. Would that give them the right to post your personal info all over the internet?
Something to think about
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I'd like to see the anonymity of the 'net' protected, but I almost hope these parents would get their wish. Let's face it....TB was one of the worst and if they do get their way, all that shit will come pouring out and it will have a much bigger 'audience' this time.
Well... this isn't the first time this case graced the public's reading roster. Previously, a lawsuit was filed against Tranquility Bay on behalf of the adolescent in question, Isaac Hersh. That suit was filed by friends and family which, incidentally, did not include his parents. After all, they sent him away in the first place, and were, apparently, quite unapologetic about said decision.
The case first splashed 'cross the New York papers in late March of 2008. At the time, there was even (very) brief mention of it in The New York Times:
City Room (http://http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/fear-and-31-bullets-from-account-of-detective-who-shot-sean-bell/) · March 25, 2008, 9:06 am
A battle has erupted in an Orthodox Jewish community over a Brooklyn teenager, Isaac Hersh, 16, who was sent by his family to a behavioral "boot camp" in Jamaica that his lawyer says has abused him. The boy's father, Michael Hersh, is chief executive of a large Orthodox volunteer ambulance service, Hatzalah; the boy, one of eight children, had been living with another Orthodox family in Texas.[/list]
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I'd like to see the anonymity of the 'net' protected, but I almost hope these parents would get their wish. Let's face it....TB was one of the worst and if they do get their way, all that shit will come pouring out and it will have a much bigger 'audience' this time.
It is either right or it is not. We cant just say this person is protected but this other one is not because of our personal beliefs.
Lets say some Green Peace spin-off fringe group felt your gasoline engine on your boat was killing too many fish in the harbor. Would that give them the right to post your personal info all over the internet?
Something to think about
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Which is why I indicated that I"m a little torn about it and said I 'almost hope'.
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What "cause" would that be, Danny? Somehow, I find it a real stretch to think of myself as "extremist" or "fringe," but perhaps you know something that some of us don't! :D
Anyone who dares disagree with DannyBoi is an extremist. Don't you know that by now Ursus? :seg2:
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What "cause" would that be, Danny? Somehow, I find it a real stretch to think of myself as "extremist" or "fringe," but perhaps you know something that some of us don't! :D
Anyone who dares disagree with DannyBoi is an extremist. Don't you know that by now Ursus? :seg2:
Now Anna Banana, you know that is not true. Just the other day I agreed that you are hot, so there.
Well I'm sorry, that was the only thing I have agreed on around here in awhile.
I also thought we had made headway on AA.
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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What "cause" would that be, Danny? Somehow, I find it a real stretch to think of myself as "extremist" or "fringe," but perhaps you know something that some of us don't! :D
Anyone who dares disagree with DannyBoi is an extremist. Don't you know that by now Ursus? :seg2:
Now Anna Banana, you know that is not true. Just the other day I agreed that you are hot,
Damn...I was only joking about the pic of my ass hanging on your bedroom wall.
I also thought we had made headway on AA.
Oh! So you now realize it has it's faults? You read Valliant's own study which shows AA, at BEST, to be as effective as doing nothing and even worse, actually raised the death rate among drunks? I didn't realize. Glad you came around.
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What "cause" would that be, Danny? Somehow, I find it a real stretch to think of myself as "extremist" or "fringe," but perhaps you know something that some of us don't! :D
Anyone who dares disagree with DannyBoi is an extremist. Don't you know that by now Ursus? :seg2:
Now Anna Banana, you know that is not true. Just the other day I agreed that you are hot,
Damn...I was only joking about the pic of my ass hanging on your bedroom wall.
I also thought we had made headway on AA.
Oh! So you now realize it has it's faults? You read Valliant's own study which shows AA, at BEST, to be as effective as doing nothing and even worse, actually raised the death rate among drunks? I didn't realize. Glad you came around.
:shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock:
I give you the (3) rocks, to help deliver your confused thoughts to another time when you felt harmony with your fellow bro's, of AA.
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I give you the (3) rocks,
What? Is that like the rock that keeps the tigers away? That shit WORKS!!!!!!
to help deliver your confused thoughts to another time when you felt harmony with your fellow bro's, of AA.
That time never existed. I never felt any harmony with Stepcrafters.
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The video of Tranquility Bay was really disturbing to watch; it made Straight seem like a walk in the park.
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I give you the (3) rocks,
What? Is that like the rock that keeps the tigers away? That shit WORKS!!!!!!
to help deliver your confused thoughts to another time when you felt harmony with your fellow bro's, of AA.
That time never existed. I never felt any harmony with Stepcrafters.
This is conversation is off topic so I will see you around....
bye
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The video of Tranquility Bay was really disturbing to watch; it made Straight seem like a walk in the park.
I thought that too and when I first started looking into all this shit (TTI as a whole) years back. I thought we'd be hard pressed to find much worse than Straight. We were wrong. It got a LOT worse.
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:eek:
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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I'd like to see the anonymity of the 'net' protected, but I almost hope these parents would get their wish. Let's face it....TB was one of the worst and if they do get their way, all that shit will come pouring out and it will have a much bigger 'audience' this time.
Well... this isn't the first time this case graced the public's reading roster. Previously, a lawsuit was filed against Tranquility Bay on behalf of the adolescent in question, Isaac Hersh. That suit was filed by friends and family which, incidentally, did not include his parents. After all, they sent him away in the first place, and were, apparently, quite unapologetic about said decision.
The case first splashed 'cross the New York papers in late March of 2008. At the time, there was even (very) brief mention of it in The New York Times:
City Room (http://http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/fear-and-31-bullets-from-account-of-detective-who-shot-sean-bell/) · March 25, 2008, 9:06 am
A battle has erupted in an Orthodox Jewish community over a Brooklyn teenager, Isaac Hersh, 16, who was sent by his family to a behavioral "boot camp" in Jamaica that his lawyer says has abused him. The boy's father, Michael Hersh, is chief executive of a large Orthodox volunteer ambulance service, Hatzalah; the boy, one of eight children, had been living with another Orthodox family in Texas.[/list]
Far and away the best coverage, however, in case anyone is interested, was by the New York Daily News:
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New York Daily News
Jewish family sues Jamaican reform school for troubled teens (http://http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/03/25/2008-03-25_jewish_family_sues_jamaican_reform_schoo.html)
BY Kirsten Danis · DAILY NEWS CITY HALL BUREAU CHIEF
Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 2:15 AM
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Boys lay prone on stone floor at Tranquility Bay, a reform school on the island of Jamaica that has been called a concentration camp.
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Isaac Hersh
A battle has erupted in the Orthodox Jewish community over a Brooklyn teenager sent by his prominent family to a behavior boot camp accused of terrifying abuse.
Isaac Hersh, 16, has been trapped since last summer at Tranquility Bay, a reform school on the island of Jamaica with a soothing name - and harsh discipline, according to the lawyer hired to try to get him out.
"It's a modern-day concentration camp," said Maryland lawyer Joshua Ambush.
Isaac's estranged parents sent him to the boot camp last year after luring him back to Brooklyn from his new home in Texas, court papers claim.
Isaac's twin brother, Sol, is panicked he's next to go.
"He's very worried about his brother. He's very worried about himself, too," said a friend of the family who asked to remain anonymous.
Tranquility Bay offers the promise of turning bad boys into focused achievers, but the walled-off camp with barred windows has been called a nightmare.
Children have been beaten, forced to eat their vomit and made to stand in painful contortions for hours, according to a separate suit filed in Utah by former students against private boot camps, including Tranquility Bay.
The case has so riled up members of the normally insular Orthodox community that several are taking the rare step of publicizing Isaac's situation.
One one side is Isaac's informal Texas foster family, who are also Orthodox, and their supporters, who prompted a nonprofit to file suit in Washington last week on Isaac's behalf.
They claim he was lured to Brooklyn with the promise of a job, handcuffed and thrown into a van that took him to the boot camp as he cried and begged to be released, the suit says.
On the other side are the teen's father, Michael Hersh - CEO of Brooklyn's huge Orthodox volunteer ambulance service, Hatzalah - and his wife, Miriam.
"Hatzalah will carefully monitor these proceedings, taking into account the seriousness of the allegations," the organization said in a statement.
The couple has a prominent supporter in Rabbi Aaron Schecter, head of Brooklyn's tight-knit Yeshiva Rabbi Chaim Berlin, according to the suit.
It is unclear what prompted the parents to send Isaac to another country. Michael Hersh did not return a call for comment.
They had a troubled relationship for years, according to the suit.
Isaac, one of eight children, was sent to schools in Virginia and Long Island before the family moved to Israel in 2002, where the parents were accused of abusing Isaac, the suit says.
From there, the boys went to live with families in Texas, although the parents never lost custody.
"They're healthy, good, normal teenage boys," said the family friend.
kdanis@nydailynews.com
© Copyright 2010 NYDailyNews.com.
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Why is it emphasised so much that they are a Jewish family?
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You would have to be a total looney toon asswipe of a parent to send your kid to a behaviorial modification abroad. Jesus. Talk about NO protection or chance of it. *shudders* I split CEDU. Mexico or Jamaica might as well be Mars.
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Comments (http://http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/03/25/2008-03-25_jewish_family_sues_jamaican_reform_schoo.html) left for the above article, "Jewish family sues Jamaican reform school for troubled teens (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=30828&p=370624#p370583)" (by Kirsten Danis, March 25th 2008, New York Daily News):
Ras Natty-Uhuru - 9:28 AM · Mar 25, 2008
I am wondering if JAMAICA was part of George Bush's rendition program. It sound like Jamaica is no better than Egypt and Syria. Is the JAMAICAN Government receiving any subsidy from the US Government to run this facility?. "Ras Brother"
Yeshua - 9:36 AM · Mar 25, 2008
What did he do for his parents to take such drastic measures?
Yeshiva Man - 9:44 AM · Mar 25, 2008
I know Isaac (and his twin) very well as he has been to our home a few times. He is a kind hearted soul who has, despite a life of abuse, is one of the sweetes boys I know. As a parent, I am aghast as to how low a parent can stoop. Tranquility Bay is a under numerous investigations, and operates outside the US due to closures of its sister facilities in the US and other thirld world countries. A simple google search of "Tranquility Bay abuse" will leave you with hair standing. It reminds me of the horrors my grandparents went through in Germany!
cbs1578 - 10:49 AM · Mar 25, 2008
"Hatzalah will carefully monitor these proceedings, taking into account the seriousness of the allegations," the organization said in a statement. Im sorry but whats that got to do with thiscase? Hatzolah is an EMS agency that feels they are above the law to begin with - maybe Daddy and his boys club should start playing by the rules of society around here and stop treating his kids like they are objects for his disposal... such typical nonsense from there stone age thinking.
webber - 10:51 AM · Mar 25, 2008
Of course this is a situation involving Orthrodox Jews and they do have their own laws which bypass and are above the laws of whatever country they are living in. Muslims have simular laws
Aint_Haten_On_U... - 3:35 PM · Mar 25, 2008
of course they are ras. its jamaicas version of juvenile hall. only the abuses there would never be tolerated here hence the closing of their us facilities. you know something isnt right if other 3rd world countries have also closed their facilities. im sure the parents of isaac gave the bay a huge donation to do what they did. what i want to know is why the parents sent him away in the first place.my guess is he didnt want to follow hasidic laws and rules. what the family doesnt get it that he will be 17 soon and under ny law he will be old enough to do what he wants. what is also disturbing is under hasidic law he became a man at 13 when he had his bar mitzvah. so why is the family really doing this to him. ? i pray his foster family can help get him out of that place. and get him the help he is going to need once he does get out
VeeBee - 3:58 PM · Mar 25, 2008
This is what happens next: This young man survives "boot camp" then returns home mentally (and, perhaps physically) damaged from his ordeals at "boot camp." He tells his twin all that he's endured, then, he and his twin kill their parents but are found not guilty of murdering their parents because it was done in self-defense.
abruck - 6:10 PM · Mar 25, 2008
in response to webber: Never heard so much anti-semetic dribble in a long time: what about the other 249 non-jews in the same facility in Jamaica
Rachaell - 6:34 PM · Mar 25, 2008
I don't know where the photo of the "prone" students is from, but I have seen it on the internet before. Perhaps the photo is another "urban legend". I personally have spoken to students who have attended this school. I have met graduates of this school. It is not a boot camp, it is a school. None of the students that I spoke with reported any irregularities. In fact they were lovely young men and women who were now leading their lives. They were placed at Tranquility Bay because of a destructive path they were on and the people who loved them above all else, were unable to keep them safe from self destructing. There is always another side to a story isn't there?
RegularJoe - 6:36 PM · Mar 25, 2008
the parents couldnt control him so they sent him to a school in a 3rd world country and now they're complaining? NEXT
Rachaell - 6:47 PM · Mar 25, 2008
The parents aren't complaining, the foster family is.
BoroParkJew - 9:34 PM · Mar 25, 2008
Rachel, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!!!! This has nothing to do with young Isaac. The hatemongering posters have found an opportunity to bash Hatzalah AND the Hassidm, I promise you they don't give a damn about Issac (who let's not forget is a Hassid himself). It's not everyday that something like this comes up. Apparently the fact that there IS ANOTHER side to the story is totally irrelevant. And the fact that Hatzalah just hired this guy a few months ago seemingly without prior knowledge of this incident, means nothing to these idiot morons either. So please, don't interrupt theHassid-bashfest. Get the drift?
uberchristian - 12:36 AM · Mar 26, 2008
Lunatic, inbred hasidim are above the law in NY. I'm shocked the media was able to print a negative story on them. These things are always hushed up. the only other time I remember the hasidim getting negative press was when someone challenged their receiving federal funds to run a religious sect in upstate ny, seperation of church and state doesn't apply to them of course. Let the hasidim be a lesson to all ethnic groups on how to be above the US law. Stick together, keep your mouths closed to outsiders and anytime someone challenges you scream racism.
jktz122 - 9:20 AM · Mar 26, 2008
hey uberchristian ummmmm inbred ultra fundamentalist christian are above the law "you like that statement"? whats happened is probably the kid has adhd and/or aspergers disorder and the parents dont know how to deal with it so whats the big deal but a**holes have to make an anti semitic story out of it
BoroParkJew - 12:44 PM · Mar 26, 2008
Really, SHOCKING??? Every second day there are negative stories about the Hassidim, where the heck do you live and what papers do you read besides AM NewYork???------------------- I'm not even going to comment on the rest of your filthy words which surprisingly made it rough the Daily News filter.
BoroParkJew - 12:55 PM · Mar 26, 2008
You're not an anti-semite youre a class lower than that.------------ Now lets hear all the ex-cop "I lives/worked in the Hassidic areas and blah blah blah" stories.
djjone5 - 2:32 PM · Mar 27, 2008
rachaell you're an idiot. first off, Tranquility Bay is no a "boot camp" you're almost right....it's actually far worse. The prone students photo is taken from older photos of Tranquility Bay...another "school" run by the same company was shut down by Mexican Authorities for Human Rights Violations. I was also in one of these places and can attest to the fact that THEY ARE NOT SCHOOLS!! in fact, most kids that go, end up years BEHIND in their education. Look into the NYS court case against the Academy at Ivy Ridge (which was WWASP's ONLY "School") and all the fake diplomas they issued. These places are child abuse that is often unknown to parents, and severe brainwashing and psychological trauma. Do some research on it...unfortunately, somehow all the youth advocacy sites about this topic have been hacked into at the same time the last few weeks (hmmm coincidence that this happens around the same time congress has been investigating?---Oct 10th Hearing by the House Committee on Ed
webdiva - 3:14 PM · Mar 27, 2008
Wow I simply post a link about the truth stating that this has been going on INSIDE the US for years and YEARS and it get's removed. My brothers death was not in vain and it's a shame some people feel the need to censor the truth. You can read his story here
http://www.webdiva.org/straight/ (http://www.webdiva.org/straight/)[/list]
Benthere - 12:12 AM · Mar 28, 2008
I am writing to you in regarding Tranquility Bay. My daughter was there for about a year and a half. Our daughter had always been a wonderfully talented girl and very close to her parents. However, as she entered adolescence she began making self destructive choices including being asked to leave two different schools. We were helpless. When we placed our daughter at Tranquility Bay, she did not like it and acted out in every way. However, she chose to settle down, become a positive leader and graduated the program at Tranquility Bay. I have pictures of her hugging the staff and she even chose to go back there after graduation to visit. While she was there we visited her many times and she was able to go to the beach with us. She also took the S.A.T. test and was accepted to the university of her choice. We saved our daughter's life and it is great to see her smiling, happy and healthy. Please don't distort the truth. Parents need to know there is help for their teens.
djjone5 - 8:32 AM · Mar 28, 2008
The "going back:" part is Stockholm Syndrome. I did the same thing. As for you "going to the beach with her" you must be the only parent in the 10 years I've spent researching these places that was afforded such a visit from a WWASP facility. Or, yet again, you're trying to skirt the facts of these places that abuses are rampant. It's not even something you can dismiss anymore now that it's been investigated by the government and proven to happen. You may be able to say "not to my child," which I highly doubt, but regardless of the reason, child abuse in any form is NOT THERAPEUTIC!!
Zetek - 10:16 AM · Mar 28, 2008
Hi. I am writing to you about the story that was in the daily news about Isaac Hersh. The story is a fabrication to the highest degree. I grew up with them and know them since I was a little kid. The parents never abused anyone and I would know since my own family took in 10 foster children from abusive homes over the years.
flossie - 3:14 PM · Mar 28, 2008
I have to agree with Djjone5....Rachaell you are a certified idiot and or a WWASPS spy put on this to say postive things about Tranquility Bay, which is sinful to even put the words "TRANQUILITY, BAY, AND POSITIVE" in the same sentence. In fact, I would love for Rachaell or any other person who thinks this school is a school to visit it or better yet let me set a vacation scene for you there...."Come to Tranquility Bay and view the beautiful sea and sniff the breezy air.....go ahead fill your lungs with the aroma of stank. Then enjoy a delicious 5 course dinner as you watch the sun set over the lovely concete wall. Enjoy drinks and snacks poolside and request the foot massage while lounging. May I also recommend the comfortable rooms with many amenities for your convenience. However, our policy requires you not look in a mirror for any longer than 5 seconds, and that spend at least one full day face down, in the dirt with your hands and feet chained to fence in which you will noti
WDtony - 5:24 AM · Apr 2, 2008
These programs are all BAD news. Some kids have sued their parents for placing them in programs and won in court. I hope this happens in this case. There is ample information online about how psychologically damaging these programs for troubled teens are. The methods are that of a cult and are purported as a cure-all for any bad behavior a kid presents as a reflection to the environment. This is just one example of thousands, why parents shouldn't be allowed to have their kids kidnapped, tortured and imprisoned at the hands of Nazi-like, mentally ill program directors.
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Why is it emphasised so much that they are a Jewish family?
Have you been reading he is Jewish, his parents are Jewish, the people who were advocating for his release from TB were Jewish, the people who sued the parents originally were Jewish, the people taking care of the boy now in Texas are Jewish, the News Papers who are publishing the story are owned by Jewish people, the person reporting the story is Jewish and finally his parents and the lawyer that are presenting the current suit are Jewish.
Hope this takes care of the "emphasis" of the word Jewish.
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Why is it emphasised so much that they are a Jewish family?
Have you been reading he is Jewish, his parents are Jewish, the people who were advocating for his release from TB were Jewish, the people who sued the parents originally were Jewish, the people taking care of the boy now in Texas are Jewish, the News Papers who are publishing the story are owned by Jewish people, the person reporting the story is Jewish and finally his parents and the lawyer that are presenting the current suit are Jewish.
Hope this takes care of the "emphasis" of the word Jewish.
Probably also 'cuz he's from a "normally insular Orthodox community"...
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They're emphasizing his being Jewish because he's not just an ordinary Jewish kid, he's from a highly orthodox family belonging to the Hassidut movement. These people live extremely insular lives in communities that are often trying their best to segregate themselves and their kids from the outside world. Weird bunch.
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It also multiplies the irony.
You'd think that Orthodox Jews, of all the people in the world, would know better than to send their own kids to camps run by control freaks...
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A followup on Isaac Hersh's experience was published a few days after the above article came out. I gather he did not return to his parents' home...
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I was beaten & bound in boot camp, claims Brooklyn ultra-Orthodox teen (http://http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/03/29/2008-03-29_i_was_beaten__bound_in_boot_camp_claims_.html)
BY Kirsten Danis · DAILY NEWS CITY HALL BUREAU CHIEF
Friday, March 28th 2008, 11:29 PM
A Brooklyn teen banished to a behavior boot camp in Jamaica by his family - sparking an internal battle among ultra-Orthodox Jews - is back in the United States after a showdown on the island nation.
Isaac Hersh, 16, landed at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey Friday after his father was persuaded to let him leave Tranquility Bay, a private reform school.
"Relieved is not the word," said Zvi Gluck, a Queens financial worker. "The entire way home he was describing the atrocities that were happening there."
Gluck was one of a handful of Orthodox men who jetted to Jamaica on Wednesday to try to fetch the teen and was briefly detained until Isaac's father agreed to his release.
The ending capped a dramatic week when some members of Isaac's tight-knit community took the unusual step of publicizing his case.
The teen, who had been living with an Orthodox Texas family in an informal foster situation, had been brought back to Brooklyn by his parents last June and then shipped off to Tranquility Bay.
The family that had been caring for Isaac had no idea where he was until about three weeks ago - and became worried that he was living in a facility that has been accused of abuse.
Isaac told Gluck and others that he was beaten and forced to lie on a mat with his hands and feet tied as punishment for minor infractions.
The story so divided the religious community that Isaac's father, Michael Hersh, was forced to take a leave of absence from his job as CEO of Hatzalah, the large, Brooklyn-based volunteer ambulance corps. Hersh's lawyer did not respond to requests for comment yesterday.
Friends of the Hersh family described Isaac as a troubled son who had clashed with his parents for years. Others described him as a normal teen. He is living in an undisclosed location while custody arrangements are worked out.
kdanis@nydailynews.com
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It also multiplies the irony.
You'd think that Orthodox Jews, of all the people in the world, would know better than to send their own kids to camps run by control freaks...
For the uninitiated fornits reader, who is scratching their head at this comment, according to fornits mythology, treatment programs for adolescents are akin to WW2 nazi concentration camps. Now I've never been in a nazi concentration camp, but I did go to a holocaust mueum once, and comparing the treatment I went through to that is disingenuous to say the least, not to mention dismissive of the truly horrible experience the jews went through then. But this is about propoganda not accuracy for the fornits poster.
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Isaac told Gluck and others that he was beaten and forced to lie on a mat with his hands and feet tied as punishment for minor infractions.
Yeah, this sounds like a vacation in paradise to me. No abuse here. Nothing to see. Move along.
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Isaac told Gluck and others that he was beaten and forced to lie on a mat with his hands and feet tied as punishment for minor infractions.
Yeah, this sounds like a vacation in paradise to me. No abuse here. Nothing to see. Move along.
Yep and you just lap it up, there doggy.
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A bit of a twist to the story...
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Ponzi suspect got me out of hell - teen (http://http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/09/02/2008-09-02_ponzi_suspect_got_me_out_of_hell__teen-2.html)
BY Thomas Zambito · DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Tuesday, September 2nd 2008, 11:57 PM
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Youngsters lie on floor of boot camp in Jamaica. Isaac Hersh (below) says Joseph Shereshevsky saved him from the camp by paying for flight back to New York.
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A Brooklyn teen once banished to a Jamaican boot camp has come to the defense of a businessman charged with scamming mostly Orthodox Jewish investors out of $250 million.
Isaac Hersh, 16, says accused swindler Joseph Shereshevsky paid for the private jet that whisked him out of Jamaica in March, freeing him from what he called a "living hell."
"If not for Joseph, I would have still been in hell," Isaac wrote to the Manhattan federal judge who will decide whether Shereshevsky should be released on bail. "I owe my life to him."
Isaac's family sent him to Tranquility Bay, a private Jamaican reform school last year, a move that sparked an internal battle among ultra-Orthodox Jews.
After 9-1/2 months, Isaac was freed in March when some members of the Orthodox community rallied to his cause. He claimed he was repeatedly abused and forced to lie on a mat with his hands and feet tied.
Shereshevsky's lawyer, John Meringolo, will ask a judge Thursday to release the Jewish philanthropist from Norfolk, Va., on $5 million bail. He is being held without bail.
Shereshevsky and a Chicago-based partner are accused of masterminding a Ponzi scheme that snookered some 1,200 investors across the globe, including some who toiled in Manhattan's Diamond District.
The feds say Shereshevsky, the son of a rabbi, drew upon the shared ties he and his investors have in the Orthodox Jewish faith to convince them to turn over their hard-earned cash.
Dozens of members of the Orthodox Jewish community in Norfolk have sent letters supporting Shereshevsky's release, including several rabbis.
His father-in-law has agreed to put up the deed to his Baltimore home and 10 others are willing to post some $4million in cash, Meringolo said.
"Mr. Shereshevsky's enduring and strong connection to the community indicates that there is no reason to believe that he will not appear before this court when required," Meringolo added.
The father of seven is asking to be kept on home confinement so he can continue supporting his family and a quadriplegic brother.
In his letter, Isaac said he was awakened in the middle of the night at his father's Brooklyn home by two burly men who handcuffed him and tossed him in the back of a car before forcing him to board a jet for Jamaica.
"They got me on a plane to the island of Jamaica and transported me to an inhumane facility where malnutrition, child abuse and mistreatment was practiced on a day-to-day basis," Isaac wrote.
Shereshevsky agreed to help. "Despite the fact that he never met me, he right away went ahead and paid for the jet [home] out of his own pocket," wrote Isaac, who now lives with an aunt in Brooklyn.
"I consider Joseph Shereshevsky a great individual and mentor and I strictly don't believe the horrific things being said about him."
tzambito@nydailynews.com
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It also multiplies the irony.
You'd think that Orthodox Jews, of all the people in the world, would know better than to send their own kids to camps run by control freaks...
For the uninitiated fornits reader, who is scratching their head at this comment, according to fornits mythology, treatment programs for adolescents are akin to WW2 nazi concentration camps. Now I've never been in a nazi concentration camp, but I did go to a holocaust mueum once, and comparing the treatment I went through to that is disingenuous to say the least, not to mention dismissive of the truly horrible experience the jews went through then. But this is about propoganda not accuracy for the fornits poster.
I went to the one in Manhattan, once. Maybe that's the one you went to.
I don't think that anyone is saying that one is as bad as the other, but only that they are similar in nature.
For example, I can study the nature of a bonfire, to know about about a brush fire.
Paul St. John
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It also multiplies the irony.
You'd think that Orthodox Jews, of all the people in the world, would know better than to send their own kids to camps run by control freaks...
For the uninitiated fornits reader, who is scratching their head at this comment, according to fornits mythology, treatment programs for adolescents are akin to WW2 nazi concentration camps. Now I've never been in a nazi concentration camp, but I did go to a holocaust mueum once, and comparing the treatment I went through to that is disingenuous to say the least, not to mention dismissive of the truly horrible experience the jews went through then. But this is about propoganda not accuracy for the fornits poster.
I went to the one in Manhattan, once. Maybe that's the one you went to.
I don't think that anyone is saying that one is as bad as the other, but only that they are similar in nature.
For example, I can study the nature of a bonfire, to know about about a brush fire.
Paul St. John
Paul. stop writing right now. Before you leave no doubt that you are a first class fucking "MORON".
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It also multiplies the irony.
You'd think that Orthodox Jews, of all the people in the world, would know better than to send their own kids to camps run by control freaks...
For the uninitiated fornits reader, who is scratching their head at this comment, according to fornits mythology, treatment programs for adolescents are akin to WW2 nazi concentration camps. Now I've never been in a nazi concentration camp, but I did go to a holocaust mueum once, and comparing the treatment I went through to that is disingenuous to say the least, not to mention dismissive of the truly horrible experience the jews went through then. But this is about propoganda not accuracy for the fornits poster.
I went to the one in Manhattan, once. Maybe that's the one you went to.
I don't think that anyone is saying that one is as bad as the other, but only that they are similar in nature.
For example, I can study the nature of a bonfire, to know about about a brush fire.
Paul St. John
Paul. stop writing right now. Before you leave no doubt that you are a first class fucking "MORON".
But Danny, wouldn't that be to your benefit?
What are you so worried about?
Paul